/ftmg/ - female to male general

weeeeeeeed

Cocaine and cigarettes.

>>8069113
Acid, lucid dreaming (sloth), dude weed lmao

>>8069113
anyone here have an undercut?

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>never had sex
>never touched cigarettes
>never touched drugs
>find no pleasure or relief in drinking
>no tattoos
>got a piercing against parents' wishes once
>dodged infections whilst hating it for four years before giving up on it
>so ended my teen rebellion
>now sat here home alone on a saturday night with tabs open looking for respectable jobs for once I finish university

>>8069753
sounds legit

>>8069753
You'll have more fun rebelling in your 30s anyway. You get the added sense of maturity/freedom and the funds to do more. Don't sweat it. And with a career-minded goal you'll be eazy breezin

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>>8069753
>whilst

what did you get pierced, edgelord?
why did it keep getting infected?
why did you keep it for four years if you hated it?

>>8069721
Not only an undercut, but a green one.

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>>8069795
I wouldn't lie about being this normie on the 4chins.

>>8069857
Isn't it just fucking sad when 30-somethings are acting like degenerates? Early stage midlife crises and all that.

>>8069863
Scaffold. Wasn't very daring but it was supposed to be a starting point before I got others done though I never got that far. Don't know what the problem was, I cleaned it as per instructions but whether it was infection or rejection, it was kind of a nightmare doing through all kinds of disinfectants and cleaning blood and crust out of my ear every day. And I was/am stubborn, didn't want it or my parents to get the last laugh.

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>>8069662
Hey, Elliot Roger-sama, do you actually listen to black metal? Or do post Varg-senpai and Dead-kun only for shit n' giggles? (I have to admit, it's a great meme, so it's cool.)

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>>8070032
90% of my waking time is spent listening to music and 60% of that is spent listening to black metal

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>>8070032

Does anyone here take a SERM like raloxifene? Is its estrogen receptor affinity stronger than that of estradiol? I know it's effective for treating gynecomastia, so I'm hoping that I could starve myself while taking it and get rid of my breasts. I don't want to take testosterone.

>>8070162
I don't know much on that subject but I'm guessing it rids the person of most of their estrogen, in which case it's quite unhealthy for your bones. Why do you not want to take testosterone?

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>>8070090
>>8070149

That's really nice. I would ask about the particular bands and albums, but I don't want to turn the thread into a private conversation.

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>>8070202

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>>8070179

>>8070177
Raloxifene is actually used to treat post-menopausal osteoporosis, so that wouldn't be an issue. I don't want the extra body hair, facial hair, and potential acne that comes with testosterone. I guess I'm kind of nonbinary? Also, male pattern baldness runs in my family, and fuck that.

>>8070221
That's odd. I thought it was either testosterone or estrogen that the body needed to function without osteoporosis and what not. Does this add a third hormone or something? Do you have other information about it?

Have you considered just getting top surgery if you're dysphoric about breasts then?

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>>8070179

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>>8070272

>>8070269
SERMs act as an estogen in some parts of the body (bone) and an estogen blocker in other parts (breast and uterus).

I'm considering top surgery, but surgery is invasive and leaves scars. I'd rather let my body do the work if I can.

>>8070304
Oh, that's interesting. Didn't know it could do stuff like that.

Yeah, scars suck but it's better than nothing.

What specifically makes you think you're more so nonbinary than ftm?

>>8070331
Well, I don't care if others see me as a man or a woman. Ideally, I'd like to be either androgynous or androgynous-leaning male.

Having a high voice kills me, though, so I might consider taking testosterone for a short time to deal with that.

>>8070375
Do you have any genital related dysphoria?

The voice thing is reversible to a certain extent so it's probably hard to determine exactly when to stop. I know someone who stopped taking T after a year for a month or two and apparently his voice started going back a little.

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Guys, the last gen we had plenty of photos of pretty girls. Since we have the Degenerate Edition now - can we have a thread full of kinky stuff and shit like that?

that feeling when you get acne on your acne

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>>8070480

>>8070429
I do, but I don't think there's anything I can do about it. I'm not happy with the options for GRS that are currently available.

I didn't know voice changes were reversible. Everywhere else I read said it was permanent.

This sucks. Fuck everything.

>>8070505
It is permanent, just not 100% permanent at first. A little bit can be reversed if you don't wait too long but if you're on T for like 10 years then I guess it won't do anything if you stop.

I'm not happy with the options either. I think a lot of ftms feel that way though.

>>8070451
Awful

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>>8070627
Horrible

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>>8070726
damn

>>8070451
reeks of edgy - and it's always artistic bondage do any of them get a foot inflation tattoo?

>>8070431
this is a blue board, how kinky do you want exactly?

>>8070859
its a blue board with no mods

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>>8070431
I'm down. just don't tell the mods.

>>8071043
i'm beginning to see why they call 'em conetits

>>8069113
Food, alcohol, and internet. Working on the alchohol though.
>>8069721
I did, probably gonna go back to it. Least maintenance and my hair does wavy shit that takes to a short undercut well.

Last guy I went to made me look like a fucking mormon missionary, though. IT BLEW.

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I want to fug this girl.

>>8070881
My censored picture of a nude girl got deleted.

>>8071141
she has nice lips. i appreciate lips more and more as i get older. would bang.

>>8071141
Why has she drawn shit on her face?

>>8071173
Yep, I know choe grace is a sort of meme around these parts now but I love her lips.

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>>8070847
I follow a dude on Instagram who does occasional porny ridiculousness, it's pretty gr8.

And while i agree the execution on that one kinda blows, rope bondage is one of the more ~aesthetic~ kink scenes for sure.

>>8071043
Mmm mmm love dem kinky knee and elbow pads.

>>8071194
Oh no I get it, I like bondage as much as the next guy just hate seeing all the edgy tattoos and denim jacket patches depicting it. Even worse than edgy it's safe basic white girl edgy.
I imagine there are exceptions though.

>>8070221
Quit your special snowflake faggotry and choose a side. Otherwise enjoy your bloodclots.

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>>8071284
Oh, fair. I kinda like needles for aesthetic reasons, some people make really cool patterns, but I could see that quickly verging into that territory too. Gore has gone oddly... safe? in some circles.
..or I hang out in slightly weirder circles than I thought.

>>8071315
I wonder what white ink would look like on a black person.

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>>8071334
Cool, except there's a lot of talk about how white ink is an especially difficult color to keep colorfast, and it has a tendency to fade or absorb.
Reading around I think I've seen that oranges and turquoises are usually recommended color palettes for darker skin.

tl;dr ymmv

>>8071355
I will add though that I've seen it used as a highlight with other colors really effectively so uh. I got no idea!

One of these days I really want to find the biological/chemical reasons that some inks work better than others. I'm way too into tattoos for somebody with no ink themselves. Someone take me in and apprentice me, for the love of god.

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>>8071181
No idea but she's a cute.

>>8071355
Thought that was branding from the thumbnail. I did it to myself to try various techniques during the years, but mostly for shits and giggles.

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>>8071315
>look how edgy i am!!

>>8071315
I think it's your circles. Sometimes my perception of normal society does tend to blur when I've been around the same people for too long.
Like I said the only thing I really see as safe edgy right now is light bdsm culture; paddles, whips, bondage, ball gags and even flaunting that stuff around as an accessory is still frowned upon in "normal" society.
I think needles and gore (although gore has been excepted in non sexual contexts for a long while now like horror and serial killer interest) is going to stay "weird" for a lot longer and I think it will be hard to change that because it wont only take people being okay with talking about there sex lives more openly but it's also just a kink that statistically very few people have unlike bdsm.

>>8071402
oh she's a lot cuter here, less tumblry.

Is it too r9k of me to say I like girls who don't take lots of selfies of themselves and post them online for random people's "likes"?

Do any of you guys use tinder? I'm thinking about it but I'm shy about putting pics of myself online. And talking to strangers unanonymously. But I'd really like a gf and that seems like my best chance.

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I found out my brother has been telling the people he meets that I'm trans and shit, I don't know why his friends need to know about my lack of dick. I just want to live a stealth life and all my family enjoys doing is bragging about me as if I'm some badge of honor.

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blindfolds and shibari (esp red silk cords)

pretty mild

>>8071900
My ex gf did that same thing. it's pretty shitty.

>>8071900
how will people know that they're HIP and SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS if they can't trot out their token tran???

My condolences, dude, that sucks. I worry a friend I know does the same thing to me in another state, which wouldn't be a huge thing except she's trying to get me to move closer to her. It would be Hipster Cred Points, and it's a hipster as fuck area.

>>8071900
My partner does this to me randomly with coworkers and shit. When I meet those peer groups I feel very paranoid and get hyper vigilant about my voice and behaviour.

>>8069113
I like stealing stuff but I don't care for value or hurting people. Therefore I steal useless shit.
One time I picked the lock and sneaked into a botanical garden to steal a mango hanging on the top of a mango tree.

I might finally kill myself

>>8073663
Y and how

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Is it still weird and cringeful when I appreciate edgy stuff for artistic and aesthetic purposes mainly?

>>8073692
if you choose edgy stuff for it chances are you also appreciate it for the edgyness itself. And that's vulgar.

My poop is still black. Just letting you know.

>>8073762
Go to the doctor, black poop means either too much iron or blood in your poop. And neither of it is good.

>>8073793
How can I tell the difference?

>>8073808
By going to a doctor and having them figure out what's wrong with you. Looking back at what all you've been eating could give an indication but it's not 100%. Black poop from blood is caused by the iron in it so there is no real way to be able to tell otherwise, I think.

>>8073819
Well fuck

>>8073793
>>8073762

If it's blood, dark blood in poop is a sign of internal bleeding (bright blood is superficial like a fissure).
Got to the doctor.

>>8071640
Nah, same.

I really want this girl but she's got a boyfriend. And while I'm considerably more handsome than this dude and she says she's bi, he's still got a dick and I'm still trans (even though I'm stealth).

>>8073966
Trans is in right now, so you get snowflake points. Go for it.

>>8073983
That completely defies the point of being stealth.

>>8074053
If he's stealth there's no downside because she doesn't know about the no-dick thing (and he's hotter than the bf).
If he wasn't stealth then snowflake points would be good tactic.
Idk why he's complaining. It's win-win situation.

>>8073941
>>8073819
Doctor's off work for easter. I'm gonna die :(

I'm sorta breaking could you guys answer this >>8074490 idek why I made a new thread for it I'm just suffering

>>8074495
Well, he's being honest and that's better than keeping on lying. For your sake, that is.
You aren't financially dependent on him or have to rely on him for the rest of your social life, I hope. So it won't damage your life too much.

Trust is damaged, and you have to work on that.

I recommend removing him from your life, processing the shit that happened, and to keep other friends close so you have someone to lean on when you shift your emotions away from this guy.
After you stabilize a bit I recommend investing in people you know are good on trans stuff and will see you as a guy.

Distance first, then get ready to move on. Don't linger on that shit because it won't lead to any good. Process then walk away.

>>8074495
>>8074520
Oh, and I can add. This is basically what I've been going through the last few months. Best friend trapped me as 'punishment' for being trans. He felt insulted by it for some reason, have no respect for trans stuff (even though he claimed it at first) and started acting weird. It really hurts when it's people close to you. No way getting around that.

>>8074537
It does really hurt. I have almost no other friends and I'm hurting so fucking bad. I can't make friends. Hell I can't even play video games or do anything I like doing anymore. I know I must sound immature but I don't think I can fucking deal with this

>>8074580
How old are you?

>>8074645
18, still in high school. Don't tell me "I have my whole life in front of me"

>>8074655
No, not gonna do that. But 18 means university is right around the corner, or at least a big shift in social interaction. If you start working, or have a gap year, or go to uni, they all imply you moving on to different pastures. You can use that change to your advantage and get a new social life wherever you land. Use it to accelerate your change, and getting this episode behind you.

>>8074580
You do sound immature, why do you care so much about this guy who could easily say something so hurtful to you? Most people don't have the same friends they did when they were 18 anyway, even the good ones.
You may have trouble making friends but that's just something you'll have to get over like everything else. A lot of people find it easier to make friends online first.

Basically grow up, get over it, move on even if that isn't what you want us to tell you.

>>8075066
Oh and also if this is a dysphoria thing and not because of him (which the comment I replied to didn't feel like) you aren't on t yet. It hurts but it's unlikely you are going to pass perfectly yet and it's hard for people who have known you for a long time "as a girl" to change their mindset on you at the moment when that's the case. Your lips and ass are probably just the first things he picked to explain this rather them being overly telling. The wait is hard I know but stick in there and it gets better. Then you'll have no problem with looking 100% like any other guy.

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>>8074495
this is why you push people away and live the majority of your life on the internet, get one friend (preferrably male to pick up those male social stats), never tell them that your trans, learn to fight and lift a lot, then reintroduce yourself to the social world.

also fucking fight him.

>>8075189
Angry little thing, aren't you

>>8075189
>>8075201
fugg I forgot my trip

Im angry that fellow humans are so shitty to one another

>>8075218
>I forgot my trip
No you didn't. Not with that pic attached.

It's one thing that humans are so shitty with each other, another that friends (or family for that matter) do it. Some part of me likes to think that a person's own group should support them, even if the world is a dark shitty place. When people like that betray you there's no excuse.

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Anon, let's go on an adventure

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>tfw 5'4" and 91 lbs
>no access to T

should I just give up

>>8075714
are you a dog

>>8075709
post butt :3

>>8075709
I need pictures. No way you are that tiny.

>>8073692
Regardless of whether you like the aesthetics of his guro works, Hiroaki Samura is a really good artist.

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>>8075714
>>8075729
>:^|
>>8075802
Uh... the only picture of myself I actually have on my PC is from last year, and it's kind of from a bad angle, but here's my wrist from it.
I measured it and it's 3 centimeters wide. :(

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>>8075894
u r a tiny cute

>>8074061
How's it a win-win? Assuming that I'd charm my way into her pants.

>>8075867
I'm glad I'm not the only one to appreciate this artist.

>>8075963
no matter stealth (you're hotter than the guy) or not (snowflake points) you're gonna get your lady. That's how you're win-win. Cis guys just can't compete

>>8076023
Bad dog. Shoo.

>>8076046
Shoo

>>8076052
No

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>>8076072

>>8076072
Jesus fucking christ, are you a 15-year-old girl? give it a rest.

>>8075944
Thanks(???). I'm kind of worried about my health though.
>>8076023
Gay... which is probably going to make it difficult to find a bf.

Quick, ftmg, help a brother out.

Gf and I are ldr; she's here until tomorrow evening. Yesterday we did a slight femdom scene thing, and we tend to end up there because man, I just adore her. Anyway, we've had trouble with me being incapable of climaxing from her touch because dysphoria, but she did manage to give me what can only be described as a dry orgasm (I plateaued, never really got the release of climax, and still felt sore afterwards) last night from handjobs. Now I want to try being a macho man and take control but idk tf how. What's worked best before is me rubbing myself and she riding my hand for external friction, but she's still on top and I want to see how I feel being dominant and active for once.

>tl;dr
How do I fuck my gf into the mattress when I have neither dick nor dildo

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>>8076155
>How do I fuck my gf into the mattress when I have neither dick nor dildo

You slap your naked body against hers frantically like a bird trying to fly through a window until one of you gives up.

>>8076141
>I'm kind of worried about my health though
eat moar

>>8076155
Get a strap on? amazon prime it or improvise one.

>Vice edition
Where's Brooklyn?

>>8075802
I'm not that anon but i'm the same weight and 5'9. It's possible. But again I had anorexia

>>8076749
Dead probably

>>8075867
True fucking story.
I always had difficulty following his action scenes though. Or maybe the few volumes I had just always cranked those up to massive artiness.

>>8076155
Basically you'll be doing a lot of foreplay, oral, and finger-banging. Use a dildo on her if you can get one in time (is there a store nearby you could both go to together?). You could also tie her up if she's into that, then do all of the above.
Tell us how it goes.

>>8075709
>>8075709
>move to a largely hispanic population area
>be normal height
>git gains

It's up to you whether or not you wanna adopt the local variety of hyper masculinity machismo as well tho. The boots are kinda cool.

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>>8075802
Most people who others would deem "naturally thin" have BMI's of 14-16. It's only shocking to people who are skinnyfat, like you I suppose.

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When you're in the closet and have to hang out with girls all the time, is it natural to hate the feminine mannerisms you've picked up? I don't know what to do to make myself seem more masculine, and it's not like I could do anything even if I did since I haven't told anyone I'm trans. On top of all this I'm too afraid to talk to the other boys around me because of how girly I find myself acting every now and then.

>>8077767
nah. 16 bmi is weak and sickly and 14 is like, can't even make it up the steps to the gas chamber tier

>>8078469
Probably pretty normal, but you can try to pick up mannerisms from guys either irl or on TV/internet. Not having any guy friends and not being out is a weak excuse.

>>8077767
You're an idiot. BMI 16 and lower is fucking skinny, as in you will be committed to an inpatient facility skinny. It's bad for your heart to be that thin for long periods of time. I know because I used to have an ED and just told people I was "naturally small" or whatever bullshit; I wasn't, you aren't, no one is, being that skinny is not normal or healthy. Seek help anon.

>>8078469
Which mannerisms in particular are you picking up and embarrassed of displaying in front of guys?

>>8078528
>you can try to pick up mannerisms from guys either irl or on TV/internet.
Oh, I definitely do that, and I talk to some guys online too (but that's not really the same at all). I just get really anxious whenever I realize my voice is changing its pitch rapidly or I'm stuck participating in a conversation that consists of mostly gossip. I even notice doing things like nodding my head excessively (which I've heard is a feminine thing and that most guys just sit and listen). It makes me feel that even when I do come out I'll still act this awful and be considered some sort of AAP tumblrite. :(
>>8078543
Well, I stated some of the mannerisms above. Other than those, though, I also have an awful lack of self-confidence and find myself scrunching up in my seat a lot. I think that's the worst thing.
I hope I don't seem like just an idiot who's worried about nothing.

>>8078603
don't be ashamed of being aap please :(

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>>8078540
As the skinny anon with the 3 cm wrist I can say that I'm pretty sure my BMI isn't healthy at all... I've never had an ED though, I've just always been this way. My diet has actually been junk food for most of my life.

>>8075189
I like the way you talk

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>>8078759
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but either way I want to die
I've never liked girls and ate lunch at school alone for years just so I could be alone, the only reason I'm stuck with them now is because of my fear of talking to boys

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>>8078767
I didn't know I was talking in a non-generic way

>>8078825
i'm not being sarcastic anon. love yourself!

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>>8078540
Cara Delevingne has a BMI of 17.0. Does she look like she's on her death bead or the brink of hospitalization? Lmao.

>>8080495
No but she's one-to-three points away from it

>>8078469
Once you get on T you'll realize the whole host of thought patterns that are created by an estrogen dominated brain and hate those too.

>>8078877
I'm the one you originally gave advice to. Kinda curious what you look like. I see you in these threads a lot and think you're really cool.

>>8078877
I mean the part where you live your life through the Internet

>>8080779
I honestly never noticed any difference in cognition or the content of thoughts I was having aside from less depressed thoughts/moods, more horniness, and being more easily angered compared to pre-T. I feel the same overall.

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>mfw have to buy needles and syringes from the net because my pharmacist straight up said to my face that I look like trouble

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Does this part of me pass as male?

>>8082172
? So you they just give you your test vials with no needles to inject it with?

Burgerland drug logic at its finest

>>8082495
yeah, the muscle lines and veins definitely make it look male.

Has any of you ever transitioned without telling your parents? Like, slowly you start changing your hairstyle, your clothes go more unisex, you start taking hormones, without telling anything them, and one day they are like "daughter, wtf is going on, you look like a man?!"
That'd be hilarious.

>>8082495
Arm, yes
Stomach, not really.

>>8082678
That's what I'm doing except the clothing and hair, don't need to change that.

>>8082678
doing that but without hormones. i want to come out im just scared of it, and theyre ok enough with me being masculine that they dont force me to stop doing it

>>8082771
Like, you have facial hair, you have hair on your chest and legs, you start getting a more masculine jaw, more muscular body, you are rocking boots and and a men's jacket, you haven't had a skirt on since you were 5, and they still call you Ashley?
Hahahahaha

>>8082602
I don't get my vials from a pharmacy. They assume I'm a junkie from my appearance though.

>>8082992
>facial hair
Shave every day.
>hair on your chest and legs
Not on my chest, shave the legs.
>more masculine jaw
Was already square, not much difference.
>more muscular body
Being going to the gym for years.
>you are rocking boots and and a men's jacket
Sound more like lesbian stuff. I wear normal clothes.
>you haven't had a skirt on since you were 5
True that.
>they still call you Ashley
I'm not American but isn't Ashley a unisex name there?

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>>8080870
>someone actually wants to see my face
n-nani

>>8083379
>I don't get my vials from a pharmacy.

You are a junkie baka anon. Just bathtub roids instead of meth. But seriously, once you've been self-messing for any significant amount of time, most docs will give you a script ez-mode because they'd rather you get your test from a pharmacy with quality control than mutant Ricky Piano. Just do it anon, it's not that expensive once you pay the doc and get all the bullshit bloodwork done, I bet that prescribed is waay cheaper than whatever crap your buying anyway.

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>>8083379
So at this point you don't look like a guy, you just look like a butch dyke?

Please don't do the violent, aggresive, looking for a fight constantly, butch dyke thing. That's really not how men are, and that is really not how you are going to get any sort of respect or appreciation in life.

>I'm not American but isn't Ashley a unisex name there?
I'm not an ameriburger either, but you get the joke, ffs.

>>8083587
that's freaky, you look a lot like me but without facial hair

haircut and everything

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>>8084490
do you look good with facial hair because shaving feels like a mistake desu
heres another pic because I looked completely different just a few weeks ago

>>8083379
It's more like a
>surprise! It's a dude!
kinda thing. It used to be but it's mostly not nowadays. The only male 'Ashley's I've met had it as a last name.

>>8083587
You pass super well, damn.

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>>8084545
early transitioner privilege or something though I passed before I ever started hormones

>>8084575
> meant to be
basically.

>local political event planned for trans guys
>'invite all the trans dudes you know!'
>invited by the only contact of other trans people I have in the area

I uh.
I don't know what to tell you buddy.
And fuck knows I don't wanna advertise online in case nutjobs show up.

>>8084534
I trim it. I like my facial hair.

>>8084615
I can't wait to get more facial hair but right now growing it out looks like glued on pubes so I decided to shave.

>>8082172

The fuck? Even if they were right, what do they think they're accomplishing by refusing to sell to you?
>oh gee, y'know I'm a major heroin addict, but buying syringes online is such a hassle, I guess I'll have to turn my life around
Or, y'know, using dirty ass needles and getting AIDS

>>8086210
yeah

depending on where you are, they might have to legally give you syringes too

Where do I find potential transguy bfs online?
t. Lonely and kinda desperate qt transgirl

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Almost 2 years on t. Just shaved.

>>8086221
Don't advertise yourself as lonely and depressed, usually that's a red flag for people.

>>8086270
DYEL

How do I deal with being 5"2/158cm. I have stopped growing and my brother is like 5"6.

I want death.

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>>8086327
elevator shoes

>>8086327
become ripped, it's easier as a short guy

also manlets exist and it's a better starting roll for life than being an awkward ugly butch woman (no hate to them just my experience of society)

just attain muscles, personality or talent and t and you too can make it

>>8083587
Congrats you look like you could be a guitarist in a black metal band

>>8086221
Tumblr

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>>8086335

>go to lgbt group meeting at my college
>it's all yaoi-loving "gay demiboys" with septum piercings
help

>>8086386
you know what you must do

fugg them into submission with your 8 inch strapon

>>8086386
my classmate once introduced me to a "trans guy" he knew who named himself after ren from dramatical murder and had long hair, i know how you feel

>>8086306
Yes i do actually

>>8086386
So not much different from this thread, only in real life.

>>8086347
Ironically I play the guitar and am trying to start an (insert genre) band

>>8086405
whats wrong with long hair my dude

>>8086513
nothing when you put effort in passing otherwise, but when youre not on t, 160cm tall and act like a cis girl it just makes it seem like youre really not trying at all

>>8086541
what are they trying to do?

isn't it fucked up to expect everyone to try their hardest to pass, like cosmetic surgery is only for rich vain people if cis people do it?

and yeah chances are they're just a trender

>>8086548
theyre definately a trender, they talked about loving yaoi and named themselves after a dramatical murder character which is the most trender ftm fandom to be into, since its literally just about yaoiboys. i generally try not to judge people unless i know a fair bit about them but they just gave me too many red flags to be able to take them seriously

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>>8086327
We spoke about Prince being 158 in a past thread, so the answer is still:

>get sexual pondus
>become highly successful
>find an excuse to wear heels, platforms, or thick soled boots (for example by being a rock star)

>>8086548
>isn't it fucked up to expect everyone to try their hardest to pass
No
>>8086441
Pls

>>8086386
>>8086405
What's wrong with septum piercing and long hair, d-don't talk shit about them.
Seriously if you can sport long hair and pass anyway it means you won the genetic lottery. Feels good.

>>8086607
honestly, its amazing if you can pull those things off, its just generally not something that most people can do. i really doubt anyone mentions a ftm having long hair/septum piercing/undercut etc unless its something that makes them not pass or look like a tryhard girl

>>8086630
A lot of ftm would be too scared to try this out. I have a beard and got surgery and shit and I'm still kinda nervous about trying more "androgynous" looks like tight pants or long hair and such. We're so reliant on other people's perceptions, it's no wonder very few ftm will try ambiguous looks.

>>8086651
yeah, its really hard to tell when youre going too far with something so most people just dont do anything risky that they would want to try just to not seem like a weirdo. its especially bad when you see other people who are also ftms and go overboard with all the things that you consider doing in moderation. i feel like its ok to try whatever you want, and if no one thinks theres anything weird about it its probably fine.

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>>8071141
Tf are you on?

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>>8086607
>>8086630
>>8086651
>>8086662
I feel special now

>>8069753
Keep it up, man. In my state 2nd offense marijuana possesion is a felony. That's how I got a felony before my 21st birthday with 2 grams of weed :)

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Is there a way to enjoy anal without a prostate?

>>8087183
yes, you just have to find the right spot. use fingers instead of a dildo, it works better from my experience. depends on what you like though

>>8086651
I rely mostly on mannerism and the fact I have an unmistakably male voice without hints of fag speech, so I behave and sound like any 20something-yo guy. Given that, I've never been mistaken for a female even though I'm lasering my facial hair off and dress like a /fa/ chink. I'd feel like a tryhard going for 100% male aesthetics. If people perceive you as confident then you can wear whatever you want and be seen as male regardless. But then that boils down to personal preferences too.

>>8086888
T.

>>8087376
How tall are you?

>>8087200
>fingers instead of a dildo
I was thinking more along the lines of my cis bf's 7.5-inch cock...

>>8088375
I'm 5'9 so I fit within male height at least in my country

>>8088391
thats great, but you really need to use fingers or something smaller before you actually put something that big inside or its going to hurt like shit. anal stretching isnt just a meme fetish you know, you actually need to do it to fit bigger things inside. fingers are good because theyre nimble and you can tell easier where you like being poked instead of when you have an awkward meat stick in your ass

>>8086386
>not being a yaoi-loving gay boy
>going on 4chan

Pick one faggot. I named myself after one of my favorite anime characters (it's a normal english name but still). Also the second I get a financially stable job I'm never cutting my hair again, I wanna look like a fucking viking. It's obvious you're insecure about your body and projecting it on others but it's okay. One day too you will pass and not have to worry about whether or not people shove you into the same mental box as the otherkin fakebois.

>>8088539
I named myself after my World of Warcraft character I've had for 10 years. Not ashamed.

>>8088555
I named myself one of the most common names in the US, I know maybe 4 people with the same name as me

>>8088539
>I named myself after one of my favorite anime characters (it's a normal english name but still).
Wow. Kudos.

How GNC were you before you came out?

Why do you need to be financially stable to keep your hair long?

>>8088571
I don't get how people who get the chance to rename themselves can resist the urge to pick unique names or flamboyant shit. All the people I know who changed their names for shiggles went for retarded ass names\naming themselves after a D&D character. Not talking just trannies, even normal people.

>>8088577
>Why do you need to be financially stable to keep your hair long?

Sorry anon, not all of us work in food service

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>>8088587
I thought logically and 11 year old me didn't want to be a unique person

>>8088591
???

>>8088587
When do normal people rename themselves?

>>8088609
when they loose drunk bets, when they get bored in old age, whenever they feel like it.

>>8088609
A lot of times, a uni classmate renamed himself "Alpha" but his name was Michael

>>8088599
I meant to say that I have a job that has grooming standards right now but once I finish with grad school I'll be at a job that's liberal enough where they don't give a shit how you look.

>>8088631
>not changing your name to Chad Thundercock

pretty beta bro

>>8088655
There's a difference between grooming standards and demanding gender stereotypes.

>>8088664
Different anon here, but they're often the same thing in corporate offices.

>>8088420
Yeah I'm 5'5 I think I'd have a much harder time passing with traditionally feminine features compared to you no matter how much confidence I had.

>>8088655
>Not tattooing Pu$$y Slaya on your knuckles

>>8088741
5'5 isn't that bad, if you can get a lean body you might be just an average manlet

>>8088756
>not "I <3 VAGINA"
Pu$$y Slaya is ok but I've yet to see a 10 letter knuckle tattoo that looks good.

>>8089292
>not ILOVCUNT

punk spelling required

>helping my mom doing some shopping
>mom bumps into some old woman who she knows
>old woman looks at me for slightly too long, then asks my mom if I'm her child
>she specifically and noticeably avoided using son or daughter to call me child

What does this mean? That people can't tell what gender I am any more?? : /

>>8089387
it happens

sometimes people may suspect you're some kind of trans but be too edgy about approaching the subject to know how to treat you

>>8086386
>yaoi-loving
imma faggot with a real penis and i like yaoi

>>8088587
>I don't get how people who get the chance to rename themselves can resist the urge to pick unique names or flamboyant shit
Most of us are concerned with passing, and stupid names make you look stupid and clockable.
Normies don't have this problem, though.

>>8089387
I'd assume so.
I had a guy hesitantly called me "this.. person" rather than gentleman/lady.
In my case, I'm trying to pass but I guess I don't pass well, so I consider it a compliment. At least they're not instantly calling me "she" like I usually get..

>>8088539
>>8089458
Nobody is saying liking yaoi means you're not a man or trutrans just when used in this context as a stereotype you know he means trender types.

>>8089531
If you pass stupid names only make you look like a retard, one of the many retards
People don't make the association "that guy's named Octopus Prime, must be a tranny"

>>8089579
Yeah but there's a difference between "Octopus Prime" and "Aydenn Sakura"

>>8089544
Boofuckingwhoo at least those "transtrenders" are secure enough in their identity to not be ashamed of what they like and not hide it like a little girl

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>>8089586
>>>/t/umblr

>>8089586
>mentally ill trenders with bpd are "secure in their identities"
Good one

>>8089586
>Boofuckingwhoo
What? Where did I imply I was mad or sad?

Also you know what doesn't scream secure with my identity? Bothering to defend it on 4chan.

>>8089586
Most transtrenders aren't confident which is why they start looking for attention/an external sense of self by claiming to be trans. They are insecure and then twist that insecurity into a delusion of gender dysphoria. Really what they're looking for is attention/affirmation by virtue signaling liberals who will fawn over them and call them brave for daring to be a "boi" who wears lipstick or whatever.

>>8089542
>I had a guy hesitantly called me "this.. person" rather than gentleman/lady.
Fucking kek, that's so awkward. We need a singular version of 'folks' for these poor people to fall back on.

>>8086270
Damn, what a qt3.14

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/pol/ here

you guys are alright

>>8092605
Only until you find out I'm a filthy defender of muslims, jews, and black people.

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>>8092661
well, then we have a problem.

out of interest what happens when an ftm gets in a fight
depending on when/if you've transitioned you might still have lady bones

>>8092701
Fights aren't won with manly bones.

>>8092803
it certainly fucking helps though lad

How to tell if your binder is too tight?

It fits okay in the chest and shoulders but it's tight around the ribs to the point that the seams dig into my sides. I can breathe fine in it though.

>>8092661
>defender of muslims
Enjoy being flown off a building

>>8092701
>what happens when an ftm gets in a fight
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_btrpe9ou5M

>>8092859
I'm a firm believer in the theorem that if you're nice to people they're nice in return, which will generally also involve defending you to the people you haven't had a chance to be nice to yet.

Also, being nice makes for a more pleasant life experience.

>>8092869
Well good for you but you're gonna be disappointed in life. If everybody thought like that, we'd be living the utopia. Thing is, they don't. We're used to live in a civilized society where this applies, too bad it feeds the idea everybody is just as accepting and tolerant. Being nice to somebody who most likely hates you by default is bending 90° and taking it up the ass.

>>8092841
Your ribs are being pushed out of place and will begin to hurt. Been wearing them for 7 years, even correctly sized, and my ribs feel shitty. Most sites have instructions for how to measure yourself for one. If you don't have a tape measure cut string or tape and measure that with a ruler.

>>8092898
I've tried the cynical route too, and this is much better. I'm happier, people are kinder, the world seems like a better place and I've more energy to actually dealing with issues that aren't just fear mongering and the weight of expecting the worst from everyone.

Give it a try. Most people want to be kind, I refuse to believe that the people thriving on menace and ill intentions are anything but a slim minority.

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>>8092859
But being flown off a building sounds fucking magical

>>8092869
>>8093015

You're conflating amicable western muslims who would never throw someone off a building with those in crazy middle eastern cultures who would very much throw you off a building.

Someone who will literally throw you off a building to your death and call it good morals is not someone who'll be swayed by a polite 'how do you do'.

(But conflating the two with the opposite attitude is equally bad if not worse, for the record, so anyone condemning all muslims outright as if some American teenage girl with a tumblog and a hijab is equal to an acid thrower across the world is fucking retarded).

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>When you become so progressive you become transphobic

>>8093129

C SECTION.
I MEANT HE WAS BORN VIA C SECTION.
CRIMINY.

>>8088741
5ft5 isn't so bad, I know a bunch of cis dudes that height. And I don't live in a particularly tall country.

>>8093123
>You're conflating amicable western muslims
Half of Muslims born in the UK want homosexuality to be illegal.

>>8082495

Yeah it does

>>8093199
I was "born" via c-section so I can still kill macbeth without the transphobic reasoning.

>>8088609

Cis friend renamed herself Victoria because she thought Emma "sounded too immature."
>mfw Emma is my old gril name

>>8093459
Props to her for doing it. What did she tell people to explain the change?

Changing your first name seems like the one thing it's more acceptable for a trans person to do.

>>8093459
>>8093474
>tfw I actually like my name
>they say it's unisex but I only know females with my name

mtf just wanderin through what's the latest boys anyone got a gf yet that's too bad my question is is every single ftm an alcoholic? i literally don't know one who doesn't drink every day

i think it's a cool trait tho and you're totally welcome to get drunk and beat me up anytime

ok thank you all

>>8093503
I don't drink because I go to the gym and that'd be pointless. I do get fucked up a few times a year though.

I'm working my way into a girl's pants currently.

>>8093503
"Average trans man drinks every day" factoid just statistical error; Brooklyn, who lives in Brooklyn and is a junkie, is an outlier and should not have been counted.

>>8093255
Muslims are cancer if they keep being muslims. It's not about race or other shit like that, it's about embracing an ideology which implies a great degree of brutality, and acts it out as dictated by their holy book. You can't choose where you're born or your race, but you can choose to adhere to a cult. The "westernized" muslims are either doing it for social acceptance points or if they were actual muslims they're gonna get stoned by their brother for trying to live like the "degenerate west". There's been (unfortunately) a lot of cases like that here where I live.

>>8093503
I'm almost straight edge. No alcohol, no smoke, no drugs, no sex (but that's because I'm an autist permavirgin at 21), at best i drink coffee. Boring at parties yeah, but it's a decision I made and I'm gonna stick with it.

>>8093503
I don't drink every day. I know a lot of trans guys who don't drink every day. Or who aren't alcoholics in general. That being said, being trans does mean increased chance of depression and stuff which means higher chance of alcoholism (or drug abuse in general) so I guess there is a higher % of trans people who are alcoholics than the average. Pretty sure those post transition who have everything sorted out are at a normal (so not higher than average) risk though.

>>8093503
Social drinker myself, I only get something a few times a month and even then, I don't get drunk. Buzzed at most.

>>8093663
>>8093697
>>8094067
I don't really drink but when I do I always get shitfaced.

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>>8086386
>>8086405
I know that feel.
>ftm group
>hardcore fujos/fandom trash/cosplayers
>colorfull hair dyes, piercings and bowties
>shirts with big décolletage
>"demiboys"
>"gay" but only date/want to date other "gay transboys" and get mad when people call them lesbians
>neither is on T, they looked at me funny when I asked them when they'll start
>call themselves space prince/alien/flower child (you know what I mean) on their tumblr/instagram profiles
>constantly talk/post about how "super gay" they are HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW GAYS
>"OMG ANON LIKE WHY DO YOU OWN GUNS LIKE OMG"
>radfems/manhaters
and the best part- when we did a meet up most of them acted awkward/uncomfortable around me, later I found out that it was because I was already 1 year on T, had deep voice, facial hair and generally passed as cis

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>>8093503
I dont drink except on family holidays and parties despite the fact that I'm not 21

>>8094375
>WHY DO YOU OWN GUNS LIKE OMG
lol my trender detector for ftm involves three things, cars, guns, and sports, and you only have to be interested in one of those things

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>>8094783
oh shit
I'm a trender

>>8094375
>radfems/manhaters
This is the worst bit.

>>8094801
Trenders and transbians are worse to me.

>>8094783
How deep does an interest in sports have to go? Because if it's not international competition, I'm not interested. Not gonna start supporting fucking Accrington Stanley, fuck that.

>>8094783
Maybe add in some nerdier stuff.

>>8094783
Faulty radar, I never could give a shit about any of those you listed. But I guess I'm shielded by the fact I've always been a hardcore fan of WoW\tabletop pen and paper rpgs\lego building.

>>8094783
>guns
Nope. Anti-firearms in general.
>cars
A kink for 50's american cars because aesthetics and association, nothing more.
>sport
I follow the UEFA with slight interest, but eh.

what are your experiences with casual sex with cis men? hookups in general, maybe.
Grindr? Tinder? Any luck? Full of transphobes and dick puritans?

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I'm at the end of my rope guys. My family is talking about college and I didn't think I'd make it this far. Not being able to live as a guy/look like a guy is fucking killing me

Honor suicide incoming

>>8095276
bruh you're so close to out of the nest, why an hero when the goal is so close in sight? Hold tight and explore your options out from under the suffocating wing

This morning when I did my shot (I do it in the thigh while sitting), I hit a point where it became increasingly painful to continue pushing the needle in, and when I continued my leg kind of spasmed and I suddenly felt nauseated and my vision got dark/purple around the edges like before one passes out. I collected myself after a moment, made sure I wasn't in a vein, and finished the shot as quickly as possible.
Did I strike a nerve or something? How do I avoid this in the future? Made my stomach feel weird for a significant amount of time after it was done, and I actually laid down for a couple of minutes directly after I slapped a bandaid on.

>>8094783
Are you saying a trender is when someone is into at least one of those things?
Because if anything, those would throw it off for me. Most of the trenders I've seen are into yaoi along with a bunch of other girly shit, it's the biggest red flag.

>>8094979
The first and only time I've ever tried a casual hookup, the fella and I decided that we really liked one another and wanted to become partners lmao
Now we've been together for almost 6 months.

>>8096003
I believe he means that, in his opinion, you must be into one of these things or else you must be a trender.
I don't know if I agree, but I've been gaining a mild interest in guns simply for the purpose of owning a pistol for self-defense, and I'm wondering about getting into wrestling or somethin. Seems fun.

I feel like it's hard to talk about spotting trenders when talking about steryotypical gender roles, though. I think gender roles are typically kind of dumb, but at the same time a lot of ftms who claim to be exclusively into yaoi and wear dresses and makeup and shit do turn out to be trenders. I just like to avoid judging people until they express how they feel about their bodies-- because that's ultimately what it comes down to. Not hobbies, sense of fashion,, or emotional sensitivity.

>>8095276
I'm in the exact same place as you. If you want to talk, hmu

will ftm boys like me even though my hairline is shit because they know how much being a tranny fucking sucks

how to be accepted
or kms

>>8069721
meeeeee, my hair is bright red

>>8096030
Yeah.
I'd be closest to the car category, but I'm mostly into carpentry, building, etc.

And I agree, I mean, I don't wear dresses or feminine makeup because it makes me look feminine or accentuates things that spark up dysphoria. I really hate that Tumblr perpetuates this notion that you don't need dysphoria to be trans.

>>8069721
>>8069925
can you do an undercut if you have a rounded forehead? tfw dont have an adolescent hairline/widows peak that isn't from balding

wish i could do emo hair

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>>8092605
>tfw random /pol/ack passersby is less retarded than feminist parents who shat on my chances of transitioning at 16
Who would've thought leftists are retarded? Never saw it coming at all!

>>8093625
And I'm sure you think the solution is radical Christianity, right?

my roomates mom keeps going into my room while im out of the house at work
should i bother asking the landlords to get a lock on my door
getting sick of this...

>>8096788
Why is she going into your room?
That's inappropriate. You should ask for a lock.

If you're doing illegal serious crap, I'd suggest to stop, but otherwise this lady is crazy and she needs to stop asap.

>>8096803
not doin anything illegal
cept not takin my trash out

I'm hyped lads. I easily put on some skinny jeans I bought a while ago and couldn't button up completely because of my hips (they were large for me, even if they're men's XS, but very difficult to put them on for that reason).

Fat redistribution is real.

>>8095990
My needles are super short, what are you using? And it sounds like you did hit a nerve.

I want a dick.

>>8097441
welcome to the club

>>8097441
i want a pussy

>>8097556
Let's trade.

How tall are you guys

>>8097584
5ft2

>>8097577
put one in the other

>>8097584
5'7/175cm

>>8097584
5'5''

>>8097584
5'0

>>8097584
5'10". I got lucky.

>>8097600
>>8097592
>>8097594
>>8097596
>>8097599
Would you rather date a person who is taller, or shorter than you

>>8097584
5'1". ;_;

>>8097607
shorter, and already am

>>8097607
shorter

>>8097607
either one is fine

>>8097584
165

>>8097689
>>8097607
Whoops, too quick.
My gf is taller than me by a good chunk, esp. when she wears heels. It doesn't bother me too much from a social standpoint because she likes being tall and she's taller than quite a few of our aquaintances too so it's not just me, but it can be a bother when we're trying to be heteronormative but I'm just too short. So I don't have a strict preference, there's both cons and pros to having to get on my toes to kiss her when she's in heels.

>>8094979
I have friends who've used grindr to hook up before. Generally it seems friendly, they even have an option for transguys now. You will still probably get a few peeps who don't understand whether you're MtF or FtM though, and some dumb questions. But it's aight from what I've heard.

>>8097607
I'm 5'1" and I'd want someone shorter.
Which limits my pool a lot but I've also seen plenty of girls shorter than me so it is doable.

>>8096322
Ill be your friend baldy

>>8097584
5'5''. Always been with taller girls but that was pre T, now I'm kinda iffy on approaching them.

>>8097607
Definitely shorter than me. I'm not really into women who are taller which is a shame considering I'm so short.

>>8095969
Even if I don't live with them, they'd still be my family and I'd have to do what they wanted >>8095990

Fresh bread: >>8098230