hey /tttt/, i'm making a compass to show that agp-hsts and

>>8061645
Who is the ugly one next to me, Cara, and Eli.

Btw, Jazz and Nicole probably belong in the top left, Gigi Gorgeous probably belongs in the top right, Riley belongs in the bottom right, etc.

>>8061650
the hon is anne lawrence, who wrote men trapped in men's bodies and is one of the most important figures in blanchardianism making her an honorary trutrans
also i feel like cara would argue nicole is top right

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>>8061645
What, this looks like an insane prank. How could you take this seriously.

>>8061655
For some reason I feel like I actually look really bad in that picture now, even though I didn't feel like the original picture was that bad.

>>8061645
Jesus fucking Christ, HSTS/AGP are not a fucking spectrum. How many fucking times?

>>8061672
anon, you probably heard of it through me in the first place so you're not in a good position to lecture me on this
it is not a spectrum but the best way i can place it on this image is in a spectrum context

>>8061677
>argument from authority

>>8061645
what's the thing with trutrans and falsetrans ?
aren't "HSTS" always trutrans and AGP always Falsetrans per definition ?

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>>8061682
it's not an argument for authority when you really do know that much more about it than most people who've looked into the topic

>>8061684
no, they're not
that's the whole point
i introduced the typology to /tttt/ in the first place so they would stop falling for the trutrans meme

>>8061690
Aaaahhhhh why do I look so gross and rapey I'm going to blow a gasket Trent! I told you that Eli looked better than me and you wouldn't listen!

>>8061694
so what's the differnce ?
what defines trutrans and falsetrans ?

>>8061697
b d d
d
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>>8061690
>it's not an argument from authority because argument from authority

Holy shit, that FtM in the bottom-right corner passes so well. T did wonders for that dude.

>>8061690
>>8061694
Let's be serious though. By your own definitions AGP aren't distinguishable from men and they're innately masculine. And the studies. Even if they were done on 40+ olds very much backed that up

If those hold true then AGP is the opposite of true trans and they're really men

>>8061778
this is a joke right? Its funny if it is but just in case
that dude is a girl that just puts negative effort into presenting and still claims to be a girl

>>8061785
>By your own definitions AGP aren't distinguishable from men
>Eli Erlick
>not distinguishable from men

>>8061803
I'm going by the experiments and your own pronouncements. AGP are like men think like men have men neurology and act like men.

If there are aberrations then you need to account for that.

>>8061690
>>8061645

who is that tranny on the left above the brown one, are they a trip

>>8061820
the one in the jacket?
commie-chan's not a trip but she's a fairly well-known poster

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>>8061856
why are they called commie-chan?
they better not be a literal commie

>>8061866
because the jacket in question has a hammer and sickle on it
she's a demsoc not a communist

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>>8061690

>>8061879
rude

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>>8061645

Is Andreja trutrans or false trans hsts?

>>8061879
>putting kay brown as agp

lol I wonder who is behind this post

>>8061892
She has ultra-masculine brain, no way she is HSTS.

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>>8061900
... why do you seem to associate passing with being hsts / not agp? Just because she is an ugly old lady now doesn't change the fact she is obviously hsts.

>>8061907
Yeah, sure. She has 100% AGP interests.

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>>8061919
>Yeah, sure. She has 100% AGP interests.

>>8061919
But her website says she transitioned in her teens.

>>8061820
>the brown one

>>8061935
She transitioned in her mid 20s, back when that was considered early transition. I don't know why she'd list on her website otherwise.

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>>8062158
Actually she transitioned as a teenager.
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/about/

>>8061650
>Gigi Gorgeous
is a "lesbian" now. Doesn't that make them AGP like moscato?
How does shit like http://archive.is/DZ5JT fit in?
>>8061885
Was bi and spent about a decade as a drug using Femboy who denied being trans before finally transitioning

>>8061645
>Danielle is falsetrans
>Cara isn't

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>>8062254
That's interesting, I've never heard of "hsts" mtfs becoming lesbians after transitioning, cool. I wonder if this phenomenon is similar to "aap" ftms that are attracted to primarily butch lesbians before transitioning only to realize they are gay men post / mid transition. It's not really clear from the article what the person in question found desirable in men before transitioning though, which would be interesting to know to better understand how drastically their sexuality shifted after transitioning.

>>8061645
>hating blaire


lol beta cucks can't stand a real trans womyn

>>8062267
how is cara false?

>>8062377
>admitting Danielle is tru

>>8062408
they aren't the same

>>8062254
all transwomen who are not heteronormative (100% heterosexual, 100% feminine, being a 50s housewife, pasive, etc.) are AGP according to blanchard, you need to be a caricature of a woman to be "HSTS", be dysphoric since always, be a extremely feminine gay boy before transition who can't get in the closet for their inherent femininity, etc.

AGP and HSTS are just memes, if you like women you are still a trans woman.

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>>8062362
The only reason he's against blockers is jealousy.

He got wrecked by puberty and is still fucked after a fortune worth of Harison Lee's surgery. That's why he always uses light saturation and weird angles.

>>8062411
You don't believe in trutrans anyway...

Does anyone know of any mtfs that were 100% or nearly totally androphilic before transitioning but became lesbians after / mid transition?

>>8062471
yeah, there's one on this old ish message board. she's really something.

>>8062536
>she's really something.

What do you mean?

Assuming this is blanchard anon how do you explain that in the context of blanchards typology?

>>8062471
Gigi Gorgeous

>>8062551
I mean she's a histrionic.

>>8062471
Theryn Meyer? She had a gf for a time, now she in a relationship with an Azn, actually engaged to him.

>>8062675
No, I mean a mtf that was attracted exclusively / primarily to men before transitioning but became attracted to mostly women after transitioning.

>>8062443
>need to be a caricature of a woman to be "HSTS", be dysphoric
Caricature of a woman is automatically AGP someone crosses that line and they're AGP.

And being gay and effeminate or GNC doesn't automatically equate to being flamboyant and in your face. You're thinking of drag queens
>>8062471
Gregory gorgeous

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>>8062719
> Gregory
> Gregory
> Gregory

Thanks for the example though.

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>>8062696
In one of Theryn's videos she said she had become bisexual while transitioning.
=> she was only attracted to men when she identified as a gay man.
or she always fancied women too as a "there all along" thing.

>>8062741
Sorry. They used to talk shit about everyone and now they're making videos in disgusting detail about having sex with dogs.
I can't respect this person

>>8062696
She said she discovered she was bisexual during her transition, having only dated men before.
Theryn used to identify as a gay man.

>>8061645
How is Blaire white not trans she literally has a knob

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this fetishist to the rightest bottomest

>>8061645
Too many are in the Falsetrans/AGP corner (Riley Dennis, Chris Chan, Laura Kate Dale for example, so mostly the lolcows)

>>8061645
>>8061690
>>8061879
Why do gay men who transition, top right corner, tend to pass better than actual transwomen?

>>8064234
Because lots of transwomen fall into the AGP category, and lots of AGPs have a warped mindset about female mannerisms and life.

>>8064234
Neither Gigi nor Blaire passes, but if you're talking about how they look like bimbos, that's because they have the money afforded by gay male privilege to afford surgeries.

>>8061690
how can someone be both falsetrans and HSTS?

>>8063302
Is this person the biggest threat to the trans community??

>>8064257
A falsetrans HSTS is just a gay flamer who took his feminine nature too far.

A falsetrans AGP, on the other hand, is just a normal guy with a fetish for being female

>>8061885
>>8061879
andreja is somewhere in the top left for sure

>>8061645
>agp-hsts and trutrans-falsetrans

explain all these autistic terms for me

>>8061645
who's the one on the top-left?

>>8064327
autogynephile (AGP): A person who loves (phile) his/her/zer woman (gyne) self (auto). In this board it's mostly used to describe fetishists who turn on by the idea of being woman and getting gangbanged. some scientists believe that watching too much chinese cartoons cause it.

hsts: a flamboyant faggot who turns out as a trans. before transitioning they are already acting and speaking like a woman, have female friends, etc. I am sure you've known at least one person like this in your life.

trutrans: A transgender person who is genuinely trans. Supposedly they have female brain and consciousness but everything else about their body is male for somehow.

falsetrans: someone who isn't genuinely trans. People tend to link AGP and falsetransness, or some believe that they just do it cuz it's trendy. It's still a heated debate in our community how to differentiate between falsetrans and trutrans.

>>8064376
Save the image and crop it accordingly, then search by image on Google Images. It's Kim Petras.

>>8061645
Interesting. Commie-chan is only somewhat clockable from the other pic, but here she looks full tranny mode. Is this the power of angles?

>>8064507
they pass like 75% in other pics but i'm not allowed to post them here.

>>8064515
is it just me, or does she look a shit ton like caraposter? they could seriously be siblings or even a before/after pic.

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>>8064507
I don't even feel like it's that bad outside of the OP, but you're right, I look awful there. Here's an Imgur album with all three angles from that day, to compare. I pass IRL, even to people who should conceivably be able to figure it out (people who are in very "close" proximity), so maybe the good angles outweigh the bad.

http://imgur.com/a/6HNJ3

>>8064561
does this mean caraposter will pass, too? why won't she just transition already?

>>8063302
Ffs worked wonders for you hun!

>>8061793
Who's the person in the bottom-right?

>>8064660
Well honestly she's a lot older than I was when I started, so she might get even worse results, unless she just has god tier genetics and I had shit ones. But it's definitely a gamble.

>>8064748
Not who you replied to, but I dunno. Cara looks really fem for their age. Or maybe I'm just saying this because I want that fucker to transition and shut up already.

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>>8064234
Gregory has gigantic shoulders and a barrel chest. No amount of his daddy's money will ever make him not a hon

Robbie was a megahon before ffs and he's still fucked

>>8064401
>hsts: a flamboyant faggot
most gay boys are low key and shy, esp if effeminate. Flamboyant are oblivious and narcissistic, and probably got spoiled in an ultra lib area that doesn't get you beat up. Those are AGP traits.

>>8064782
She asked me to pay for her HRT, but I obviously need every penny I can get for my own surgeries, I do wish someone would fund her transition tho

>>8064969
Ihp hrt isn't all that expensive. Cypro is cost effective. Why doesn't that idiot just put down a couple hundred before they regret it.

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>>8064985
i only make $650-700~ per month. $500 of that goes to rent and the rest for food, overage and other expenses. i'm also not geographically capable of reaching any sort of job.

>>8064515
What are you doing posting other poster's images. That makes me uneasy. Is it without permission?
>>8064997
Find some way to skim it or get free food.

And at least order a couple bottles of cypro. 25mg should do and that would last nearly a year. That's less than a hundred. Just do it you idiot.

>>8064997
Wow, I think I just now started to understand why you relate so much to Little Witch, especially considering Diana and everything, that's pretty sad actually.

>>8064997
Why are you afraid of asking for help? If a few hundred people donated just a dollar, you'd have enough for meds for a whole year.

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>>8065092
i've been trying to get people to help by setting up a gofundme in their name so they can order meds for me, but they've all balked at the idea of outing their name here. so i'd don't really have an effective anonymous way of accepting money. unless you know something.

>>8065169
paypal email address

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>>8065218
my name would still be attached to the receipt.

>>8065239
Um wait, then how were you expecting anyone to give you money?

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>>8065247
the idea was for someone that i trust to create a gofundme of a paypal.me in their name and then to use the money to order meds for me as a "guarantee"
but no one wants to.

>>8065292
You said you get money every month, and cypro only costs like 50 bucks on QHI, why don't you just order that for now? 50 bucks less just means you'll have to eat slightly less.

>>8065292
Why can't you just take donations and order them yourself Jesus. If you don't have money just get cypro blockers

>>8064955

Lmao. I knew just one feminine gay kid that was shy. Four others were flamboyant as fuck and one was somewhere in between. One of the flamboyant ones was a tranny and I don't know how the rest turned out. The shy kid thing is AGP.

See Anne Vitale's Developmental Review, specifically in the section on childhood when she talks about G3/cloistered/AGP boys
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

>>8065239

Why is there a problem with having your name on the receipt for drugs that are for you?

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>>8065347
No, when you send someone something over Paypal, you have a record of the name of the person or business you sent it to. So that would doxx me.

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>>8065332
I didn't see anybody flamboyant in the Bible Belt. Kids might have been effeminate, but you wouldn't draw attention to yourself. Even naturally looking like a girl was enough to bring harassment and abuse.

Type 3 is hons that don't care about being hons burdening others. Your version of flamboyant is bearded weirdos making women uneasy and causing pain to women and children and the weak. I don't see why we're engaging in propaganda for shameless abusers like this guy.

Your flamboyant is AGP/false/pervs

>>8065367
Pic related belongs in the bottom right category, but flamboyants such as Blaire and Gigi definitely belong in the top right, while still being HSTS. Don't know how you can't see that.

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>>8065386
Flamboyants are exclusively the people who end up on the news for doing bad stuff like all those people on gendertrender. They have no care for others.

And gorgeous is into women exclusively. Your classification falls apart. And they're large boddied with linebacker shoulders and a big torso. They're huge and their being rich can't cover that up.

Those are all the AGP boxes you could ever want.

>>8065410
>And gorgeous is into women exclusively.

Hm, I did hear that he turned into a transbian, maybe he does belong in the bottom right then? Seems wrong to group him with Riley and Muscato though

>>8065416
gigi gorgeous appears to be bi
i put her in the spot right next to the agp border to account for her sexual complexity
i considered putting rv-chan in the hsts-trutrans square but decided against it

>>8065429
Riley's flamboyant? I thought he was an autistic nerd, like most falsetrans AGPs.

>>8065428
So then I'm in the false trans boxes, right?
Please don't put my personal stuff on though. It can mess everything up before I can plan how to move on.

>>8065451
I think Trent considers you trutrans, but maybe he's putting you in the AGP box with me and Cara? Or maybe he just didn't want to put your picture on there.

>>8065456
In all honesty it's probably undiagnosed bpd crossed with bdd

>>8065451
no, you're both hsts and trutrans so i would put you in that box but i decided not to put you on the chart at all
i'm also not sure exactly where to put andreja on the chart, i feel like the hsts-trutrans spot right next to the falsetrans border should have someone else but if i put her in the hsts-falsetrans spot next to the trutrans border it would probably ruin you for life

>>8065354
Cara I will make you a stupid gofundme account if it means you will buy hrt with the money we raise for it.

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>>8065478
please do

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>>8065470
Oh wait, the positions matter too? So I'm AGP-trutrans, extra-true but closer to HSTS because I have meta-attraction, Cara is also close to HSTS because we all know she needs to get dicked, but closer to the falsetrans border because she never transitioned.... And Eli is super-AGP, but also totally trutrans like me. It all makes sense now.

>>8065470
Thank you. It's probably for the best. I'm ashamed of how everyone's so nice to me even though I'm just a psycho who can't keep it in all the time.

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>>8061645
>beautiful women on right
>disgusting failed hons on left

>>8065470
where would you put nicole?

>>8065505
>Eli Erlick, Nicole Maines and Kim Petras on the left
>Danielle Muscato and Gigi Gorgeous on the right
?

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>>8065505
The top right corner is just where the bimbos go, so of course straight guys will like them better, but it's not like they actually pass either.

>>8065354

So you want someone to have the hormones sent to their house, upon which they send them to you, with both of you using pseudonyms on the package to be delivered to you? Because I can't see why if you're not willing to expose your name, that anyone should expose theirs for you. Hasn't Trent doxed you already, anyway?

>>8065520
I know they used to be a rich blowhard who bullied everyone all the time. I don't like them.

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>>8065524
No, I meant that they would order in my name online and have it shipped to my house. And no, he hasn't. So it would be someone I would trust with my address, most likely him.

>>8065535
*order it after receiving the money anonymously

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>>8065493
the positions are meant to matter, but it's actually really hard to make them matter. i'm still roughly trying, though -- for instance, kiira triea (the agp-falsetrans one right next to hsts-falsetrans) pretended to be hsts for several years before her death in a scam that trapped brown, bailey, and dreger, so i put her next to hsts
>>8065511
cara said it's a really bad idea for nicole to be on the chart, but i would have put her where i ended up putting jazz
if i'd been able to do that i would have been able to keep up the 'placement actually mattering' thing which i had to abandon for most of the hsts-trutrans square

>>8065367

This is what Vitale says about AGPs
>Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male.
>For cloistered gender dysphoric boys it was in the area of peers and activities, especially sports, that the problem was most noticeable. Unable or uninterested in competing in organized boys' activities and having been shuffled decidedly away from playing with the girls, many became reclusive. To add to their confusion, and counter to behavior typically reported in openly gender dysphoric boys, many cloistered boys actually preferred solo play with boys' toys and had little or no interest in girls' toys. For example I have heard more than one long-time post-op male-to-female transsexual speak fondly of having spent countless hours playing with an Erector Set or a Lionel model train set-up that their father had helped them build. Others described of designing and making detailed model airplanes, race cars and sailing ships. The more academic of this group report little or no interest in sports and rough and tumble play. To avoid castigation from their peers, they report spending a lot of time reading and studying. However, although these children appeared to be normal boys doing what most people would consider some normal boy activities, they may very well have been doing so while secretly wearing their mother's or sister's underwear, fantasizing about being a girl or both if they could manage it.

>>8065367
>>8065559

This is what she says about HSTS.
>Some boys in particular openly endure the taunts of their peers and castigations of their parents in order to live according to their cross-gender understanding. The Child and Adolescent Gender Identity Clinic of Toronto treats many such children brought in by parents who are concerned over what they believe is unacceptable cross-gender behavior. Zucker and Bradly, reporting on the clinic's outcomes, report a high rate of helping these families. Interestingly, Ken Zucker and Susan Bradley (1995, p32), report a referral ratio of male children to female children entered for treatment since 1978 (n=249) to be 6.3 to 1. Since there is no evidence that cross-gender behavior occurs more often in boys than it does in girls, a possible interpretation of this statistic is that effeminacy in boys may be considered by parents to be more upsetting and in need of correction than tomboyish behavior in girls.

What part of that sounds like AGPs are the flamboyant ones?

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>>8065533
Story?

>>8065548
Isn't Kay Brown like a scientist or something weird? How is she HSTS, just because she hates AGPs?

>>8065575
see>>8062174

>>8065580
So, me and Eli transitioned as teenagers, and we're still AGP. Does she have a husband or something?

>>8065575
>women can't be scientists
she invented the technology that allowed for the existence of modern computer screens like the ones we are currently using to debate her type
she has a masculine career, but she was exclusively androphilic since pre-transition, acted more female than male her whole life, and transitioned the earliest you could in 1975, so she's hsts (albeit placed in the very centre because of the /tttt/ debate over her etiology)

>>8065585
>>8065583
and yeah, she's been married for i think twenty years or something, though some agps end up marrying men because meta-attraction

>>8065559
>normal boys act and appear normally male.
So it's not at all what i said. It's it's generally a man thing to try and dominate something and make it all about you.

I also can't see what you described as legit. Perhaps they never had to worry about physical abuse because they lucked out as men, or maybe they just had parents and others who could never tell them no and that's why all those flamboyant personalities like Riley still act like they're the cock of the walk and pressure lesbians into having sex.

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>>8065583
Honestly I don't really buy into the typology all that much, and blanchard anon definitely knows more about it then I do but essentially from my knowledge hsts = extremely gnc from childhood / exclusive / primary sexual attraction to natal sex before transition / gender dysphoria developing extremely early in life / little to no CD / A*P related arousal. Also not to undermine / delegitimize your reasons for transitioning so young but you have to consider the social contexts as well of how hard / lucky she was to transition as a teenager in the 1970s.

>>8065585
I couldn't keep talking crap about brown, I felt like scum

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>>8065585
blanchard anon what do you make of mtfs that were exclusively androphilic before transition but became primarily / exclusively gynophilic post / mid transition.

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>>8065629
that's something to be considered on an individual case
the ftm versions of it are pretty consistently aap, but there isn't necessarily the same reason for an agp to claim homosexuality pre-transition as an aap
some of the people who claim it are better categorized as hsts and some as agp

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>>8065656

>that's something to be considered on an individual case

Okay so I'm assuming then in general you would classify a mtf that identified as gay pre transition but dated exclusively "femboys" or extremely effeminate men as someone that most likely fit into the agp group in the same way aap ftms can identify as lesbians before transitioning but only date butch / gnc lesbians before realizing they are attracted to men mid / post transition.

I'm more curious about mtfs that were exclusively / primarily androphilic before transitioning in a more conventional way we think about homosexuality, I.E. attracted to masculinity / "male form." Why / how is a mtf thats primary attraction shifts from androphilic (in a similar way to described above) to gynophilic different from a mtf thats attraction shifts from gynophilic to androphilic?

PLS POST THAT FULL IMG OF CARA

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>>8065739

>>8065757
>hating on us trutrans left-siders

Get out of here, Blairefag

>>8065470
>andreja on the chart, i feel like the hsts-trutrans spot right next to the falsetrans border should have someone else but if i put her in the hsts-falsetrans spot
What reasons have pejic in the falsetrans category?

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>>8065747
thank

>>8065717
there are very few cases of the latter, which is not to say they don't exist. i can't make any consistent group statement on them because the data does not exist for that, so i just try and approximate type from other traits when necessary.
also, cara wants to talk to you

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>>8065769
>there are very few cases of the latter, which is not to say they don't exist. i can't make any consistent group statement on them because the data does not exist for that, so i just try and approximate type from other traits when necessary.

Okay fair enough.


also, cara wants to talk to you

Okay how? Through Discord?

>>8065605

I think you might have a different definition of flamboyant from anyone I have ever met. This is what a flamboyant gay boy looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVK_OqyUzk

I'll go back to the six gay males I knew, now remembering that I forgot one because he was two years older and I didn't know him for as long. He was also a flamboyant gay. So that's 5 flamboyant gays I knew out of 7 total.

The flamboyant gay tranny, the flamboyant gay I forgot, and the one shy gay boy all grew up in a violent, nigger-infested city. The gay tranny had a single mother as far as I know. She also said "I can't get it up for a girl," when she was living as a gay boy. So good luck explaining that away with your "there are no flamboyant gays in areas where they get beat." Three of the flamboyant gays and the middling one all grew up in accepting suburbs in Central Florida.

I knew two guys who might have been AGP, both in the same suburbs. I'm less sure of one than the other. Both were class clowns, but the one I'm more sure of was joined the junior varsity football team in freshman year of high school, I assume to "man up." On cross-dressing day during spirit week, he passed 100% though. Literally no one else passed as well as he did despite his height.

>>8065793
>Okay how? Through Discord?
her snapchat is cara.kun, sc is her main form of communication

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>>8065799
Okay.
>>8065806
I'll message you on discord cause i don't use sc.

>>8061645
>tfw you look like Eli but she has better shoulders
end me

>>8065332
Applies to me, i'm a shy AGP introvert.

>>8065559
Wasn't into athletics, but when I did sports in gym class I had fun sometimes. Videogames and later computer games were my favorite hobby. Was very introverted, reclusive, anxious, shy and depressed as a teenager.

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alright, finished the chart
looking forward to everyone's edits where they swap around the centre four

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>>8066408
You should use a different picture of anne lawrence for the chart that one gives me nightmares

>>8066422
all pictures of anne lawrence cause nightmares

>>8066408
>>8066422
Yeah, also use a different picture of me, I know you think I look fine, but it's depressing me....

>>8066408
Who are
>below Petras
>right of Jennings
>right of Brown
>right of Cara
>below Gigi
and why are they each positioned as they are?

>>8066437
>Caroline Cossey
>Carmen Carrera
>Theryn Mayer
>no idea
>no idea

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>>8066426
>all pictures of anne lawrence cause nightmares

Thats true.

>>8066437
>below petras
caroline cossey, model and actress most famous for her role in a james bond movie, transitioned at 17 in the early 1970s and outed in a media storm shortly after the bond girl role
>right of jennings
carmen carrera, former drag queen
>right of brown
theryn meyer, right-wing activist
>right of cara
christine jorgensen, first trans woman to get srs in the united states
>below gigi
kiira triea, fraudster who claimed first to be intersex and then hsts over several decades of attention-seeking faux-activism

>>8066437
>>8066447
as for their positions:
cossey is a reasonably clear-cut hsts and there's no major reason to dispute her type or trutrans status so seemed like a reasonable person to put in that square
carrera being a drag queen meant she was 'falsetrans' by the joking definition of 'falsetrans' i was using for that square
meyer is one of the four borderline cases because she might be a gigi-type trans-transbian
jorgensen is another borderline case because she was probably agp but even brown (who met her) isn't sure, the 'falsetrans' bit is mostly because of her having traits /tttt/ considers falsetrans like being an army vet
triea gets right up against the hsts border because of the nature of her fraud

>>8066408
Love the chart great idea!

So as an AGP non transitioner(at least at this stage of my life) how do I tell if i'm trutrans or falsetrans?

>>8066458
Are transbians always falsetrans??

>>8066528
Does it matter? Transition if it makes you happy. I just found this board and I'm cis. Very very confused by all the hate and judgement of others.

>>8066447
>>8066458
Is it the Femboy thing that pushes Pejic onto the false trans squares? Or something else

>>8067222
the femboy thing
>>8066986
note the multiple transbians placed in the agp-trutrans square
gigi and theryn are placed in the spots they are because those spots are 'almost agp'
>>8066528
it's not exactly relevant if you aren't transitioning, given that despite what most trans people believe there is no magical innate gender identity that makes some people trannies and some people not
it isn't two clusters, it's the ends of a spectrum

>>8067334
>'almost agp'
What is this?

>>8067371
They used to be faggots before transition, so they're HSTS, but they switched to the transbian life (temporarily in Theryn's case, and for da money in Gigi's case).

>>8067334
So then femboys are a different thing from trans, right?

>>8067425
most/all femboys are trans, though femboys are just as separable into hsts and agp as full-blown trans girls because they're on the same spectrum
it's just that 'hsts falsetrans' ended up being a really weird category that didn't have a lot to do with falsetrans as originally conceived

>>8067447
I still think it's valid, it's the perfect category for Blaire.

>>8067447
i'm really no different from them

>>8067381
That's nothing to do with AGP though?

>>8065795
Effeminate isn't the same thing as flamboyant and making everything about yourself is narcissism. You gave gorgeous as an example, when those are mostly just forced over the top manerisms and everyone says they were a bully who acted like they were better than everyone back when a guy.

I think you should stop basing your entire view of what gays are like based on a couple of acquaintances. It hardly makes you an expert.

>>8064997
why aren't you on snap?

>>8065559
>>8065567
why are you dipshits still dumb enough to believe these are real scientific categories. theyre fucking bullshit.

>>8074221
?

So Blaire is some how false trans even though she's probably the only one that has fully transitioned and passes.... Logic.

>>8074238
food stamps.

>>8074232
[citation needed]

>>8074347
>Blaire
>passing

>>8074710
>>8074347
See >>8073068 Blaire has an obvious boy voice and Irl and without filters it's painfully obvious.

Also looks pretty bad from some angles. Which explains why the vids are always done with filters and why IRL stuff is avoided.

Ultimately, Blaire passes much worse than many in /lgbt/

>>8066408
i still don't understand what falsetrans is

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>>8079392
It's all a fucking MEME honestly

>>8079704
>This shit is spreading to twitter
oh god, i'm going to feel guilty if this meme goes beyond /lgbt/
soon we're going to have buzzfeed articles about how we should support AGPs

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>>8079704
but "wanting" to be a woman is anti-trutrans

>>8079717
>women don't want to be women

what the fuck are you on about

>>8079720
do cis women choose to be women?

>>8079712
>spreading
anon, look at the date on that post
the typology was getting popular again long before /tttt/ heard of it

>>8079724
they are coerced into it by many means but I don't doubt *some* would choose it so to speak, as do some trans girls

>>8079725
I'm pretty sure AGP was here 5 months ago

>>8079392
Falsetrans-HSTS are just faggots, falsetrans-AGPs are just straight men. Trutrans-HSTS are straight women, trutrans-AGPs are lesbians.

>>8061645
IS THAT CARAPOSTER IN THE BOTTOM LEFT PANEL?
AWWW

>>8079760
people were using agp as an insult five months ago, but that was divorced from the typology
the typology has only really spread this year

>>8061645
When will this meme end? I'm trying my best to ignore it but it just seems to get more and more prevalent.

>>8079729
>they are coerced into it by many means
How exactly were cis women coerced into being women?

What the actual fuck is going on here.