How does AGP cause gender dysphoria? In what ways does a fetish

>>7998375
The Blanchard theory (agp/hsts) is not real science, OP

You should know better than to listen to psychologist's rubbish

>>7998410
I don't believe the theory, myself. I'm just curious about how this community interprets it.

>>7998375
There's obviously a difference between AGP-type trannies and HSTS-type trannies, but there's enough AGP-type trannies who don't seem to experience *actual* AGP that I think the cause of AGP transness lies elsewhere.

>>7998662
So there isn't really a risk of guys with AGP developing gender dysphoria?

>>7998698
If their AGP is really just a sexual fetish without actually wanting to be a woman, they're probably safe.

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It doesn't. Blanchard's theory is BS. AGP is real, just not the way Blanchard described it. Those cis guys that crossdress and jack off to sissy hypno porn? AGP. Lesbian or bi trans women who have dysphoria and meet the diagnostic criteria for being trans? No. AAP is a thing too, even though Blanchard said he had never seen a case of it and only included it in his theory to not sound sexist. The most visible AAPs are your typical fujoshi who get off to crossdressing and pretending to be yaoi boys.

>>7998698
I think that maybe it's more of "you have a latent dysphoria that AGP activates".

Either way, IME, if you have to ask, you're probably a tranny.

>>7998429
But by making this thread you're perpetuating the entire Blanchard meme, thanks fucker

>>7998881
Along that line of thought, I'd say it would be less "latent dysphoria that AGP activates" and more "repressed pre-everything tranny seeking relief from dysphoria through AGP fantasies."

>>7998932
What about those who didn't know they were trans until years of AGP fantasies? Or do they know early on?

>>7998375
I actually think this happened to me although I did have some non agp trans thoughts too. I guess maybe I was partially agp and I might've been actually trans as well.

>>7998375
AGP is a sexual orientation, not a fetish.

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>>7998375
Blanchard's typology is complete bullshit dismissed by numerous professionals and studies
AGP as a term only stuck around because the literal greek meaning has a purpose.

AGP doesn't mean "lesbian"
And HSTS is just a terrible meme that sets the G of LGBT against us by making them think that we're a coven of mutants stealing their twinks and stealing their penises in the name of feminism, or some dumb shit like that.
Homosexual Transexuals via literal greek is what /lgbt/ refers to as "Transbians"
Trans that have AGP can be straight out a desire for wanting to be fucked by a man as validation and refirmation of being fucked - as a woman- and then can be straight as a man once the feeling passes... All out of a desire for traditional gender roles and a penis-in-vagina sexual experience.

For some AGP is just a fetish
Yet AGP can be a medium or sign of repression for those who have been forced through male puberty by conservative parents.
I thought it was a cause for my dysphoria at first, but found out it was a symptom after regaining repressed memories of enjoying being dressed up in princess outfits by my female childhood friend and older step-sister.

Long story short: Shits fucked, yo.
You can't put a massive pile of medical and mental disorders still being studied into a simple black-and-white division

>>8002429
>HSTS is just a terrible meme that sets the G of LGBT against us by making them think that we're a coven of mutants stealing their twinks and stealing their penises
They don't need a meme to think that. They just need eyes.

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>>8002434
Honestly, all I see is someone that wants a human being to suffer internally with a mental illness, just so they can have another living sex toy in their dating pool that they don't give a shit about emotionally, since 90% of the community is devoid of any kind of romantic commitment besides the lingering pain of STDs being the only thing staying with you until the day you die.

Interesting how perspective works that way, isn't it?...

>>8002472
>Interesting how perspective works that way, isn't it?...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gays being trans instead if it gets them emotionally-fulfilling and romantic committed relationships.

>>8002492
Sorry, I probably took a joke way too seriously and lashed out.
I'm a horomonal bitch right now for obvious reasons.

>>7998375
Just transition OP.

>>8002497
No problem. But it's a joke with truth to it, there's at least one "gay" poster who is repressed trans on this board and probably more.

So the perception that trannies are stealing away the gays fits.

That's before even starting on /femgen/.

>>8002429
Good post.
>"Yet AGP can be a medium or sign of repression for those who have been forced through male puberty by conservative parents."
I called this "transition agp". It's like one of the first steps for some trannies to recognize what's wrong with them. They are mostly deep closeted and conservative families contribute to being closeted. It's not real AGP in the Blanchard sense and fades away after being on HRT for some time (or even earlier).

>>8002316
It's a fetish.
>source: had it

>>8002564
wonder if mine would go away if i transitioned...

>>8002567
It's an orientation.
Source: Have it.

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>>7998880
I'm a mtf and read yaoi. Gay couples are cute and I get off to it, but I would never in a million years try to pass for one of them and actually have sex with a fag; I can think of nothing skeevier. There's a reason it's a fantasy. It looks nice in manga, but irl it's like one of those Ren and Stimpy close ups. WEE OOOH. You can write a dashing character, but what you don't see in your imagination is all their gay cues, mannerisms, body language, etc. Even the uke is usually straight acting--easy for fiction to say.

>>8002576
Can you explain why you feel that way?

>>8002601
Because it plays the same role in my life and thoughts as homosexuality and heterosexuality do for normal people.

>>8002582

protip: mtfs are fags. just lezzy ones usually.

>>8002613
Do you not feel any homo or heterosexual attraction then?

>>8002621
>mtfs are fags
If the balls don't touch it's not gay, and I don't have any. Checkmate atheists.

>>8002624
I do feel attraction but it's AGP attraction, not homo or heterosexual attraction.

>>8002632
How would you describe the difference between them?

>>8002652
Not that anon, but in a similar boat.
There's a distict difference in feeling feminine attraction and maculine attraction, and personally I get what is like a feminine attraction to a woman, but laqured in envy torwards wanting to be them, and stealing their boyfriend, not out of attraction to the man but just so I can have that woman's life.

I figure I've got about 3 years left in me before I commit my first murder, skin them alive, and live in woods a skinwalker the rest my life.

Don't get me started on what happens when I see a pregnant woman...

>>8002652
muh boyclilt!

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If AGP is onset early enough, when the identity is still extremely fragile, the amazing feelings of AGP ( and trust me they are amazing ) will be taken in exchange for actually knowing who one is. What do you think a 15 year old, beautifully androgynous boy/girl will do.. be confused about an existential crisis, or take the blue pill, and be so sure ( the opposite gender ) of who they are until they're old and ugly, a good 20 or more years away?

I'm lucky I got AGP ( and I got it.. oh boy do I got it ) when I was like 23, which lead to a little bit of confusion but basically I know I'm male, but really enjoy playing the different roles of male and female, and it's only understandable that after being male for 23 years, I would have a lot of female that I want to be.

>>8002666
>envy torwards wanting to be them, and stealing their boyfriend, not out of attraction to the man but just so I can have that woman's life

thank you.
this helped me understand how transbians think.
i had a feeling they were evil and manipulative psychopaths but until you voiced it i wasn't certain.

>>8002652
My attraction to women is wanting to be them. Close to hetero guy attraction and maybe close to lesbian attraction, the the lack of desire to have sex with them makes it very different too.

My attraction to men is wanting to experience sex as a girl. It's similar to hetero guy attraction except I'm the girl and the guy takes the place of the hetero guy. It's not similar to gay guy or hetero woman attraction as far as I can tell, besides being towards a man.

>>8002691
That was a joke, if you didn't pick up on the "Living in the woods as a skinwalker" part...

>>8002700
>My attraction to women is wanting to be them.
Is that really all?
>the the lack of desire to have sex with them makes it very different too.
Is it the lack of desire to have sex at all, or lack of desire to have piv sex as a guy?

Do you consider yourself trans/are transitioning?

>>8002682
>the amazing feelings of AGP ( and trust me they are amazing )
Please explain?

>but basically I know I'm male, but really enjoy playing the different roles of male and female,
What do you like so much about each role?

>>8002731
>Please explain?
>*faps quietly*

>>8002723
>Is that really all?
It's a very sexual attraction just like a hetero guy. It's just not a desire to have sex.

>Is it the lack of desire to have sex at all, or lack of desire to have piv sex as a guy?
Partly a lack of desire to have sex at all because the thought of being a girl is sexual already, but mainly lack of desire to have piv sex as a guy. I could probably enjoy it but it would be like masturbating in that I'd be thinking of something else.

>Do you consider yourself trans/are transitioning?
Being a cis girl would be my greatest wish but I'm not transitioning.

>>7998880
>Those cis guys that crossdress and jack off to sissy hypno porn? AGP. Lesbian or bi trans women who have dysphoria and meet the diagnostic criteria for being trans? No
what if you're both

>>8002768
You sound pretty similar to me before starting transition, aside from you conflating attraction to other people with AGP, which I frankly never experienced.

Why not give transitioning a try?

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>>8002731
>>8002745

I like this ^. I like seducing others. AGP feels amazing when you are androgynous enough to actually pass. Even straight people are curious to try a body like this if it's EXTREMELY clean and smells like a fruit and the dick is covered in some sexy panties. It feels so good that that is the main reason gays become limp wristed faggots and trannies try to convince themselves they pass. They're drunk on AGP.

>>8002791
You can't meet both because the definitions are carefully designed to be mutually exclusive: the first is "cis guys" and the second is "trans women". If you meet the actual substance of both, then you are still excluded from one or the other depending on whether you're deemed cis or trans. Which of course makes it circular, since any overlap or change between the two can be denied by "you were trans all along" or "you were never really trans".

>>8002806
>you conflating attraction to other people with AGP,
But it's an attraction that's part of AGP as much as normal attraction is part of normal sexualities?

>Why not give transitioning a try?
Because it wouldn't make me cis. I don't want to be a trans girl. I feel a lot of kinship with some, like you probably, but no longer being able to present as cis is a huge cost.

>>8002812
where's your ass......??

lmao

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>>8002851

That's not me, here's my ass. That's just a pic I posted because it doesn't show face and I'm not trying to post people's faces on the internet.

I have a strangely big ass for a guy and it's great :)

>>8002839
>But it's an attraction that's part of AGP as much as normal attraction is part of normal sexualities?
I'm a bit confused about the meaning of that sentence, could you rephrase it?

> Because it wouldn't make me cis.
That's a cruel truth every trans has to accept.
> I don't want to be a trans girl.
Who does? But don't you think being a trans girl would still be preferable over being a guy?
> but no longer being able to present as cis is a huge cost.
You can still present as cis man if things don't work out.

>>8002812
>It feels so good that that is the main reason gays become limp wristed faggots and trannies try to convince themselves they pass. They're drunk on AGP.
Wouldn't limp-wristed faggots be HSTS?

>>8002875
>I'm a bit confused about the meaning of that sentence, could you rephrase it?
My attraction to women is AGP, the same way hetero guys' attraction to women is hetero. Hetero guy attraction is a longing for that beauty and a desire to have sex with her. My attraction is a longing for it and a desire to be her.

>That's a cruel truth every trans has to accept.
It means my choice is to pick the least bad of being a cis guy and a trans girl. For some trans people there is no question there but for me there is.

>Who does? But don't you think being a trans girl would still be preferable over being a guy?
I don't know. If I don't pass then maybe not.

>You can still present as cis man if things don't work out.
When I grow breasts I can't.

>>8002917
>and a desire to have sex with her
You did say you have no desire to have sex with girl mainly as a guy. What if she was okay with you not using your penis, or going even further, if you were post op?

> For some trans people there is no question there but for me there is.
I guess, for me it was a choice between a grave in few years and possibility of having okay life.

>I don't know. If I don't pass then maybe not.
HRT has effects on your dysphoria and sexuality even if you don't pass.

>When I grow breasts I can't.
If you're past puberty, breasts that can't be passed off as gynecomastia clothed aren't particularly likely.

>>8002857
A wig too.

>>8002815
I think I'm bigender though

>>8002990
A hole in the "AGP vs trans" view.

>>8002989

That was before my hair grew out. It's past my shoulders now :)

>>8002961
>You did say you have no desire to have sex with girl mainly as a guy. What if she was okay with you not using your penis, or going even further, if you were post op?
I could probably enjoy penetrative or non-penetrative sex with a girl. Either way the arousing part would be imagining myself as a girl and admiring her body. If I was post op that probably wouldn't change.

>I guess, for me it was a choice between a grave in few years and possibility of having okay life.
Sometimes it gets me down but mostly it's not too bad. Although I might not realize just how bad it is for me and maybe it will get worse. But I don't think it will ever be as bad as for you.

>HRT has effects on your dysphoria and sexuality even if you don't pass.
I'd like those effects if I could have them without the physical changes, just to experience it.

>If you're past puberty, breasts that can't be passed off as gynecomastia clothed aren't particularly likely.
That's reassuring but the physical changes are still very off-putting to me. If they won't make me pass, I'd rather not have much of them. Can we talk about this over email?

>>7998375
i started hrt recently after being (at least) AGP all my life and realizing that i'll kill myself before 30 if i keep aging like a man, not sure if i'll ever socially transition though
i'm not quite sure if i'm just agp or also trans, the first thing making me feel bad about being male and wanting to be a girl but also turning me on was a lesbian romance / sex story i read at 9
it was also the first sexual thing i ever encountered so it might just have connected my possible transness with my sexuality somehow idk
i have always also had nonsexual desires to be female and am not very masculine in any way but i felt that my AGP overrode that in a way and so i consciously repressed until i couldn't

i think whether the person with AGP is naturally feminine or not might influence the development of dysphoria
the idea of transitioning/actually having a more female body might be more appealing for an autogynephile if it wouldnt be such a big change
then again it might be that its even more appealing if youre naturally more masculine, idk

sorry for a wall of text

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How can you tell if you are AGP if you no longer feel any sex drive?

>>8003136
if the desire to be a girl hasn't also gone away you're trans, congrats

>>8003139
I know I'm trans.. at least I think I am, a*p =/= not trans.

>>8003058
>Can we talk about this over email?
If you prefer that
justanothertranny \at\ tfwno.gf

>>8003004
it's really confusing for me. I'm without a doubt autogynephilic and always have been for as long as I can remember, as far back as my memory goes, even to being a toddler, but beyond that, I don't know if I'm cis or trans or both or neither. I like being feminine or masculine depending on the situation. and sometimes I hate that I'm not masculine enough, other times I hate that I'm not feminine enough. then there are times when I feel good that I just love myself. I've been with girls but I'm virgin because I never escalated things. I don't really want a relationship because it's more uncomfortable than being alone. I just don't want to regret wasting my youth.

I can relate with the other anon who says AGP is his sexual orientation. it explains why I started out liking only lesbian and solo girl porn, never fantasizing about having sex with them, just appreciating their beauty, and why over time I've become more gay, to fulfill the AGP fantasy. I'm not transitioning because outside of the AGP sometimes I like being manly and other times I like being cute and feminine as a boy (I'm androgynous). I'm considering t blockers but when I'm feeling manly I hate seeing my feminine side as a pathetic numale and I don't want to actually be a girl besides feeling like one sexually with AGP, and testosterone is important to be healthy, and this hormone stuff sort of seems like a meme. actually I used to take dutasteride for my hair and I didn't fap for months on it, no libido, but AGP thoughts still aroused me and I had AGP wet dreams and trans feelings still. I stopped taking it because I was worried it was making me depressed and low energy too.

sorry for turning this into a blog post but maybe someone else can relate.

>>8003183
also when I'm feeling masculine I see other guys as bros or whatever and I prefer girls but when I'm feeling feminine I feel gay and see them as potential mates or whatever and I see girls nonsexually.

I thought that was important to add.

>>8002506
Already done :) Transitioned years ago.

>>8003183
>I'm without a doubt autogynephilic and always have been for as long as I can remember, as far back as my memory goes, even to being a toddler,
What were your early AGP memories?

>>8003196
I think this is probably pretty common for bi AGPs.

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>AGP Theory that disproves /tttt/ ignored
>Kids have their dicks inverted and put on mones
>Transitioning now a political/fashion statement
Boy i wonder who could be behind this.

>>8007433
>that disproves /tttt/
???

>>8007433
stealing my image...

>>8007485
It explains transexualism as a paraphille
I think in many cases or some this is true.
T.AGP

>>7998662
This this this.

>>7998881
>slippery slope fallacy

>>8008062
whats AAP?

>>8008093
thanks my dude

>>8005136
being innately aroused by agp triggers during usual childhood activities like dress up and roleplaying. god only knows why a toddler would have a sex drive and emasculation fetish.

>>8002582
>There's a reason it's a fantasy. It looks nice in manga, but irl it's like one of those Ren and Stimpy close ups. WEE OOOH.

Perfect description of why 2D>3D

>>8002917
>>Who does? But don't you think being a trans girl would still be preferable over being a guy?
>I don't know. If I don't pass then maybe not.
Holy shit I know exactly how this feels. I would be 100% fine passing as even an ugly girl but if I didn't pass I know life could be much worse.

>>8002882
You have to understand that there's the actual agp/hsts theory which almost no one bothers to really read/learn about and then there's meme apg which means whatever the speaker wants it oo and is how almost everyone on this board/site uses the term.

>>8009908
>You have to understand that there's the actual agp/hsts theory which almost no one bothers to really read/learn about and then there's meme apg which means whatever the speaker wants it
Well, both are about as equally valid.

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>>8007433
>le who but da ((jews)) could be responsible for my conspiracy theory that they're brainwashing kids and forcing them to chop off their dicks?!?! XD

Just so you know, it's against the 4chan global rules for you /pol/tards to shitpost outside of your containment board.

>>8009924
Fair enough, but one is actually a specific defined thing, as poorly structured as it is, rather than just a vague suggestion of lack of legitimacy.

>>8009908
>tfw came here to explain the actual theory to /tttt/ and this happened