I'm a 21 y/o early transitioner and want to detransition

>>7992553
Define "early".

>>7992553
>21 year old
>early transitioner

PICK ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7992553
Why did you get SRS then?

>>7992575
11.

>>7992576
I meant I'm currently 21 you dolt. See above.

>>7992600
YOU DON'T FOOL ME YOU FOOL

I'LL EAT YOU

>>7992553
No, you're fine. Having an androgynous/feminine body is fine if your internal identity is male. Plenty of people are confused and unsure if they're mtf or not anyways.

You're welcome in. Just don't act the way some cis females do and claim that you can replace us or are better than us.

>>7992600
post pics?

>>7992553
Do you mean detransition socially or medically?

>>7992652
I am a regular tripfag who's pics have been passed around...I feel like concealing my identity atm in case I change my mind and people make fun of me for it.

>>7992653
Both.

>>7992671
If you take testosterone other than SARMs you might be an idiot.

>>7992600
Early meaning, HRT at 11-13 or just blockers?

>>7992671
Socially you can do whatever you want, however if you already had SRS how could you detransition medically?

Because your choices are either stopping estrogen or getting testosterone, and neither are good choices imho.

FYI nowadays many femboys take HRT just without social "transition".

>>7992678
At that age it's only blockers, in most developed countries HRT can only start at 14 and sometimes 16.

>>7992678
Blockers since 11, HRT at 15. SRS at 18.

>>7992705
I just want a man's voice, a more boyish face and male fat distribution. I look and sound 100% like a girl right now, with pear-like fat distribution. It depresses me.

>>7992553
Why do you want to detrans?

>>7992757
Maybe Sarms could do most of it. You could get enough T to get a boy voice and switch to sarm there. Are you the commie?

I don't think you'd be very happy as a normal man though.

>>7992757
Tbqh it's weird that you had dysphoria so intense you started transition at 11 yet you're still dysphoric now. But anyway you do you.

For the voice I'd suggest a voice therapist. Voice therapy for FTMs is actually a thing a you could do that. I don't suggest you start testosterone because of it's (possibly) intense and irreversible effects.

And to get more tummy fat just eat more. Maybe you'll also get a more boyish face.

>>7992770
I'm tired of being seen as a disgusting freak by most of the world and feel like I'm missing out whenever I think about what it might be like to live as a gay man. I also have a lot of BDD in regards to my feminine body. I almost feel like an ftm because I hate my tits and thick thighs. I don't care about social dysphoria anymore, it would not bother me to be called he/him/sir whatever.

>>7992795
but if you pass and seem female to everyne why would you be seen as a freak?

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>>7992757
Doctors expedite when the give HRT based on the legitimacy of the case (I know several MTFs irl who began HRT around 13), so seeing as they decided to wait until you were 15 then that signifies that you weren't in need of transition anyways. So you're making the right choice.

>>7992795
>I think about what it might be like to live as a gay man.
It's not that great

t. MtF who tried to repress as a gay male

>>7992795
Why do you think you're seen as a freak? Do you live in a transphobic place?
If you were actually living somewhere being trans is not "disgusting", would you still want to detransition?

>>7992827
Most medical systems, southern US and european ban underage transition and blockers. What kind of world are you living in?

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>>7992868
New England.

>>7992875
You live in an alien world

>>7992795
>I'm tired of being seen as a disgusting freak by most of the world

I'm assuming you pass though correct? How do you still feel like a "disgusting freak" in social situations if no cis person could ever feasibly clock you?

>>7992827
cara please, you are so full of garbage.

>>7992868
No way blockers are blocked. Maybe HRT is blocked before a certain age but puberty blockers is ALSO used on children for other reasons than transition, there's no way it could be blocked or a ban enforced.

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>>7992886
Except that if you know my story you know that it's true.

>>7992912
Blockers being legal because they're used for other things does not mean they're legal for use in the case of a trans person.

>>7992916
meant to reply to
>>7992888

>>7992875
And not everyone is from New England. Ergo not everyone has the opportunity to transition pre 18. Thus the ideology of only people who transitioned before becoming adults are legitimately trans is flawed since most people don't even have the option to.

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>>7992922
Cara, you ignored me last time I said this, but would you like for me to tell you every reason why I think you are trans?

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>>7992939
Go for it.

>>7992912
They're defacto banned and not only need parental consent (which you'd never get from bible belt families) but also have only a hand full of gender therapists, most of which believe in some type of reparative therapy and charge thousands in the process which no minor would have.

I wouldn't have had to resort to starvation and vomiting coffee ground shit to stunt growth, if you could've gotten things here. Granted there was always the black market, and people like Pejic were able to get it in even more repressive systems like the commonwealth, but still. It's an impossiblity in the south and I don't think it's changed dramatically in the last few years but I never checked.

>>7992795
>I'm tired of being seen as a disgusting freak by most of the world

And those people wouldn't still see you as a disgusting freak for transitioning to male despite having a neovag and other feminine features?

>>7992912
I mean to put it this way, it's far easier for a minor in the bible belt to grab hoards of contraception, or get an abortion than get blockers and there's none of the parental or multi year expensive therapy requierments like with blockers.

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>>7992944
Okay, give me 10-15 minutes, I have to finish writing something / think about as many reasons you are trans as I possibly can.

>>7992935
Also, even those who do live in areas that allow early transition might still have just been fucked. It's entirely possible for a psychologist to misdiagnose a trans person, and if you know anything about trans therapists and psychologists you'd know about the tendency they have to gatekeep people. And that's assuming the fact they're even brought to a therapist or psychologist who specializes in this stuff, a lot of people are just brought to see general ones who don't know very much about trans issues.

Additionally, even if the trans person lives in an area that allows legal transition and they are also diagnosed, there could still be issues regarding non-supportive parents. I don't think many, if any, places treat gender dysphoria to be on the same level as life saving surgeries, so the government can't intervene against bad parents like they can to save a child from dying if their parents are anti heart transplant or the like. And even if the government could do that, to most young kids their family is the world to them. It'd be very rare for a kid even as old as 14 to want to pursue gender transition at the risk of alienating their parents, unless they experienced dysphoria far more severe than most trans girls.

And finally, even if the trans kid is lucky enough to live in an area where early transistions are legal, they received a proper diagnosis, and they have parental support, they might not be finally, able to transistion. Hormones and blockers can be expensive and they aren't always covered by insurance or national healthcare systems. And a 12 year old kid can't get a job to pay for it herself.

>>7992946
>I wouldn't have had to resort to starvation and vomiting coffee ground shit to stunt growth
How well did that work? Are you significantly smaller than your male relatives?

>>7993111
Ones on my mothers side ya, but they're like european blue bloods so that doesn't say a lot. And my father's is asian and other nonwhite sort they're all rather small. It's hard to tell. Even if starvation pauses growth, the low hormonal levels leave growth plates unsealed so growth can continue during a recovery period. It seems it might have bought a few years maybe.

I'm 5'6 and it does look like it kept bone growth with stuff like cranium and other bones small and kept a some traits in a child like state, but it's obviously much less beneficial than actually blockers would have been. At least it might mean starting off from a better position for repairs.

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>>7992944
1. when your presence first started to become noticed on /tttt you purposefully mislead /tttt into thinking they were the doipassyet mtf.

2. you shown time an time again through your actions both in / outside of /tttt that you have an obsession with early transitioners / are gynandromorphophilic, which has a high correlation with being AGP.

3. you've admitted that you were gnc as a child / expressed interest in transitioning from a young age.

4. you've expressed that you experienced GD from a young age / "should of been allowed to transition" but were not allowed because of being "illegitimately trans" a term that I have yet to see you actually define in any meaningful sense.

5. You obsess over TG related subjects like Blanchards typology / young transitioners / frequently visit /lgbt and post about TG related subjects.

6. You exclusively avatarfag with female charecters / pictures of women.


Would you like me to keep going?

>>7993172
mislead /tttt into thinking you were*

You've shown*

>>7993172
>gynandromorphophilic
What does this mean?

>>7993184
an attraction to transgender people

>>7993172
keep going...

>>7993193
So Cara's a chaser?

i don't know how to help you m8

the body isn't some toy you can fuck around with and jump back and forth between genders

can or do you still produce test naturally? i'd say just work out and eat in a way to maximise what you have left, wouldn't your body recognise it's cues and take over from there? i don't know how this works kek

take voice therapy like that other anon said

I went grocery shopping and came back to my thread being derailed into a cara shitstorm...

Also cara, you and I are kindred spirits so you should respect me even if I didn't transition at like 5 years old like you expect...

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>>7993219
i don't even know who you are.

>>7993239
You do and you love me.

>>7993157
>>7993111
On the downside though, I'm pretty sure it had neurological and other complications. I have add and not so great impulse controll and last time it was tested my siblings were all about 10-15 iq points above me. Also lost baby fat but I'm still low body weight so this is likely reversible.

I'd still starve again, between that and nothing, it's the obvious choice, things could have been much worse.. But there's the blackmarket and IHP and stuff so almost anyone can get cypro online so that should be the approach instead.

>>7993242
like by name or are you just a presence here

>>7993201
If you stop taking hormones and testosterone blockers, your natural hormones will return.

However, because OP has gotten SRS, their natural testosterone production has been greatly lowered, and so they'd have to get testosterone through other means if they wanted to masculinize.

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>>7992553
NO BALLS

NO SALE

>>7993219
You could just be a Femboy as is, I don't see why you're worrying. And if you pass, I don't see why you're worried about discrimination.

I guess build muscle and stuff if you want

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>>7993242
this

>>7993273
Search your feelings.

>>7993284
The word I should have said instead of "seen" is "considered". So many straight guys freak the fuck out when I tell them, and I live in one of the most liberal cities in the US.

>>7992553
Being a femboy won't last forever. Even if you became the perfect femboy today it'd only last another 6 years at the most, and realistically it'd take you a year or two to even get to femboy territory.

Would you rather keep living as a woman for the rest of your existence, or live as a femboy for a few years and then become much more masculine with age?

>>7993303
And gay guys/straight girls won't freak out when you tell them you have no dick if you're a femboy?

>>7993309
They don't become more masculine when they all take blocker or hrt. Op could just take androgens till they reach what they want and then run off their internal hornones or SERMs. But if they want to do this because discrimination, then do they really want this.

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>tfw type long winded response to cara about why she is trans
>get no response from cara

reee why do I keep trying to convince you, I would have more luck getting a brick wall to transition than you.

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>>7993347
see >>7993197

>>7993319
Will gay men freak out if it's really just a morphed penis instead of an actual oozing, bleeding vagina? And I have no interest in straight women either.

>>7993309
I think I could control my hormone intake...cis women can look young and cute well into their 30's if they take care of themselves. I'm still looking into this.

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Oh sorry, I didn't think that was you.

7. You've admitted to developing ocd like symptoms in response to not being allowed to transition from a young age / becoming bedridden because of the effects of not being allowed to transition.

8. You are unusually unwilling / rarely open to even considering that you are transgender or even being "illegitimately trans," despite the overwhelming evidence that suggests to the contrary as I've laid out here.

thats about all I can think of off the top of my head but i'm sure I could / others could think of many more reasons.

>>7993405 is meant for >>7993359 obviously.

>>7992553
halve your estrogen dose and see how you feel.

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>>7993405
The truth is that to be consider legitimately trans you have to be medically certified as being trans by a certain age, hence the reason why only early transitioners who began HRT around 12-13 can only be considered wholely legitimate. Anyone afterwards is too corrupted mentally, physically and sexually to be allowed to be recognized as having a legitimate need for transition, even if they would have met the right requirements had they been given the opportunity to transition early.

Truetrans here, cara is a man through and through. AGP? Possibly. Autistic? Definitely. But trans? Not at all

>>7993425
Lol

Such autistic delusion

>>7993430
how so?

>>7993436
Cara doesn't have any of the symptoms of gender dysphoria, he's also visibly a man not a woman

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>>7993425
oh thanks for reminding me of another reason why I think you are trans.

you have constructed a completely irrational worldview of what constitutes being "legitimately trans" which = should be allowed to transition (according to you) that is impossible for you to ever meet those criteria which creates a system (however flawed it might be) that legitimizes your repression.
Cara please, you really need to transition, before it's too late.

>>7993471
*that it is impossible

Really tired right now sorry.

>>7993462
where did he say that?

>>7993462
this

>>7993471
I don't see the point of guessing who's trans or not, in the end it's something we decide only for ourselves
however the part about his irrational worldview is well explained

>>7993394
>>7992553
You don't have to reverse srs for what will be nonfunctional parts or even take testosterone. You'd be accepted. I mean there's even a couple people there who as an end game got ffs/srs and allowed people to think they're just tomboys.

Just think about what you want for your body and your bdd and do what you want not what others want. What you call yourself, you can pick. Since you were born male, you have a birth right to that and you don't need to look like a boy to be one unless that's what you want.

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>>7993471
Deservance of transition is more important than things that supposedly warrant transition. Sorry.

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>>7993537
> in the end it's something we decide only for ourselves

Thats true.

>>7993537
>Deservance of transition is more important than things that supposedly warrant transition. Sorry.

Sigh.... I hope you will reconsider your opinions regarding what constitutes someone "deserving transition" eventually cara, and don't apologize to me its your life not mine.

>>7993564
I'm pretty sure he's trolling. No one can possibly be this retarded.

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>>7993471
they aren't really wrong desu, I wouldn't consider myself legit, most of us probably aren't. And it's true it made is less functional, less sane.

>>7993602
>No one can possibly be this retarded.
He stalked a person in real life. He is this retarded (and possibly dangerous)

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>>7993626
>I wouldn't consider myself legit, most of us probably aren't.

.....

What do you consider "legitimate" then?

being able to pass with no "effort?"

>>7993681
Partly, but my mind is a train wreck. I'm not normal. I can pass myself off as healthy but I'm really a crazy spiteful person with an insane greed for my goal and let my life revolve around that. Basically a Preta.

>>7993718
>I'm really a crazy spiteful person with an insane greed for my goal and let my life revolve around that

And what is your goal?

>>7993737
The old status quo. I have no real plans for after.

>>7993752
What "old status quo" are you talking about?

>>7993762
My body, and the way everyone could think I was a girl even if I had no curves, short hair and boy clothes.

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>>7993681
if only you could see things through my eyes....

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>>7993794
I'm pretty sure I can see things relatively well from your perspective. I can explain why if you would like.

I just reject your philosophy of what constitutes someones legitimacy in regards to transition.

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>>7993831
Please explain it to me.

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>>7993864
Okay. Granted these are all just my beliefs / assumptions, as >>7993508 said only you can figure out if you are trans or not / decide whats best for you.

A: we both best fit the a*p profile and feel great internalized shame / sense of illegitimacy for not being hsts / transitioning sooner in life.

B: We both should / could of transitioned much sooner in life but were unable to due to traumatic events during childhood / events that were out of our control.

C: We are both moderately / severely neruoatypical which could have partly impacted our ability to transition sooner in life.

D: We both chose to repress / find excuses for / avoid our transness even after admitting at times to ourselves that we are trans. (I'm assuming you have admitted to yourself before that you are trans even if you won't admit it to me right now, and to be fair you are much better at repressing / convoluting your trans feelings than I ever was.)

Essentially what I'm saying is it's very easy for me to project myself on to you because I feel I can relate to / understand your pain. If I didn't feel this way I probably wouldn't be so adamant in trying to get you to transition /get you to realize you are transgender.

Does that make any sense?

>>7994020
oops meant >>7993499 not >>7993508

>>7992553
Did you already think carefully about what you want? Which you would want to be? Even if you could stay femboy mode for a long time (would be no problem since your body hardly produces test), is that what you'd really want to stay as forever?

Maybe it'd be fun for a few years, but what if you eventually stop wanting to be like that?

>>7993794
Cara, will you ever write a book sharing your perspectives on transition? Would love to read it tbqh

>>7993794
Just wondering, do you suffer from mental illness? If so, which one?

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Month away from being 19. Should i start transitioning or im fucked ?
Going for androgynous look like on pic

>>7996849
Take antiandrogens at least

>>7996858
Is taking JUST bica good or i'll get gyno and brittle bones ?

>>7992757
>HRT at 15. SRS at 18.

REEEEE WHY IS EVERYONE RICH EXCEPT ME AND THEN THEY THROW AWAY THEIR VAGINAS ANYWAY

>>7996872
Because early transitioning is child abuse. Just ask Blaire.

>>7992553
What surgery did you get that you ended up with a neo-vagina? What is the vagina made of? Did they leave any part of your penis?

>>7997792
>he doesn't know that a srs vagina is called a new-vagina

>>7997792
>>7997807
I'm wondering what they did specifically, it looks like there is more than one type of vaginoplasty.

>>7997876
there is penile inversion and non-penile inversion
none of them leaves you with a penis

>>7997897
I had heard that the glans of the penis is used to create a clitoris, and that the skin of the penis is used for the vagina.

>>7996866
>brittle bones
Make sure you get your calcium, and other minerals and vitamins they use to fight osteoporosis.

>>7997924
Depends on the operation style.

You are Guilty of trolling on a Tuesday, What do You have ro say for Yourself?.

Is this ok?
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>>8001793
What are the alternatives?