How do I tell if a trans person is HSTS or autophile? Transition

>>7830003
Check if they have dank headphones and DACs

>>7830003
Are they into computer programming? Do they dress far too young for their age? Do they give off a beta male loser vibe rather than a girl vibe?

>>7830047
Assuming the aren't a programmer or a hooker.

>>7830003
If they're right-wing they're agp.

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>studied theology in college
>conservative
>never wear makeup
>barely sexual, let alone toward myself
The categorization of trannies seems inadequate. Would grasseaters, fetishists and hyperfags really take their neuroses so far as to transition? I guess they do. But what do the distinctions matter. They're all trannies at the end of the day.

>>7831361
what does this even mean?

>>7831379
Well there's this idea that trannies are STEMlords, which I am not. And then you've got an anon saying if they're right-wing they must be AGP, which is frankly worse than some of the shit on /d/ and I don't know why they're taken seriously by health professionals.

>>7831401
>if they're right-wing they must be AGP
If the typology is true AGP MtFs are more political like men, so if they are into ANY politics, perhaps AGP. But of course HSTS MtFs can be political too.

>which is frankly worse than some of the shit on /d/
What do you mean?

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>>7830003
This meme is getting out of hand.

>>7831453
>What do you mean?
A man who beats his meat to the idea of the fun house mirror image of himself as a woman really has no business interacting publicly with strangers as a woman. That's beyond shameful. No different than someone walking around outside in a full body latex gimp suit. And then for doctors to say, "yeah okay go for it" is just predation on their part, pure greed. People around here say that AGPs are mostly into women, and they wonder why people get in an uproar about bathrooms. It's precisely because of these Buffalo Bills.

>>7831523
AGPs feel dysphoria just like HSTSes do.

If "she" hates feminism, tumblr, vomits MRA rethoric and votes Trump, "she" is AGP.

>>7831543
lol no, wanting to jerk off to yourself as a woman =/= dysphoria. AGP's don't experience dysphoria whatsoever

>>7831554
lol

>>>/tumblr/

>>7831543
Just when they're horny though, so for like 5 minutes while all the blood has left their head.

>>7831568
It's HSTS who don't experience actual dysphoria, they are just so gay the society's oppression over gender roles cause them to transition.

>>7831601
Fapping is the one time I can be happy because I'm imagining myself as a girl.

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>>7831606
>literally admits to being agp
>"I want to be a girl"
>gets off to the idea of himself as a woman
>no dysphoria in sight, was like any other boy as a kid
>wears stereotypical dresses, makeup and outfits inappropriate for his age
>jealous af of true trans girls who transition early and are seen as nothing but female
>"b-but it's the early transitioners who transition over gender roles!"
agp logic

>>7831680
>"b-but it's the early transitioners who transition over gender roles!"
Yet it's "trutrans" (HSTS) who are GNC and AGPs who aren't!

>>7830003
WTF is HSTS? I swear this board makes up acronyms more regularly than networks engineers. FFS

>>7831749
What does facial feminization surgery have to do with anything?

>>7831749
Every trans community develops their own culture and merely being hate-filled and bitter wasn't enough anymore, so they decided to revive some outdated, disproven pseudoscience.

>>7831776
>Blanchard's typology
>outdated, disproven pseudoscience
Choose one.

Linetrap for example

She's straight or bisexual, which doesn't narrow things down.

She was a passing trap pre-transition, which suggests HSTS.

>>7831639
Newfag here. Is it possible to be both AGP and HSTS? Since for me it's very similar, though have no clue about the maning of the word "dysphoria".
Ironically, I still think SRS is stupid, because it's essentially just cutting a wound to me.

>>7830003
Wait, if HSTS is trans women into dudes, and AGP is trans women into chicks, the heck would bisexual people be? Or do I just not know what these letters mean. God, I feel so old, back in my day we just all got called faggots, and by God we accepted it.

>>7837640
Maybe trutrutrans? After all, women are more sexually fluid then men?

>>7837571
>Is it possible to be both AGP and HSTS?
I believe it should be a thing, as I show many signs of both.

On one hand, I said "I WANT TO BE A GIRL!!!!" in kindergarten, became obsessed with girl stuff in 1st grade and never developed a significant sexual attraction to girls, failed at being a good-looking boy, wearing women's clothes is not sexual at all, which is obviously HSTS but...

my AGP traits are that I play with my estrogen-grown boobs a lot, sometimes even get a boner from playing with them. and I'm stereotypically masculine in that I like STEM and I'm god awful at literature, poetry, reading, english, etc.

>>7837571
>Ironically, I still think SRS is stupid, because it's essentially just cutting a wound to me.
Both HSTS and AGP can think that. It's a matter of practicality, not type.

>>7830003
Who litteraly gives a fucking shit if they're not bothering there is 0 reason for you to give a shit.
You should kill yourself before your uselessness and stupidity costs a viable human being their life. Please kill yourself, you'll make all """HOMOSEXUAL TRANSEXUALS"""(most transphobic term ever) and pretty agp girls much happier.

>>7842480
Why don't you want your etiology being clocked?

>>7837800
>>7842017
Honestly, I made that post, because I'm questioning right now.
My sexual orientation is kinda weird. Mostly I want to get fucked in girlmode, but sometimes I tend to be attracted to boymode and sometimes even dominant intercourse. Basically basically, I oscillate between everything except lesbianism.

And yes I know how tumblr that just sounded, but sadly, that's honest:
What the fuck am I?

>>7843098
welcome to femboyish, please enjoy your complimentary tittie skittles

>>7843121
kek

>>7834130
Linetrap is obviously AGP.

>tfw agp brain and give off beta male vibes and this causes me massive dysphoria
someone help

please

someone who's trutrans please help change my brain, neurology is plastic, right? pls

>>7831273
>>7831554
this shit is why people keep saying that blaire 'hsts stereotype' white is agp
right-wing trannies are a lot more likely to be agp than hsts, but they skew either 'late transitioner who was a republican for fifty years and doesn't see a reason to change' or 'too-clever-for-her-own-good member of the rationalist blogosphere who believes some bizarre libertarian-right philosophy she made up and sperg rages at you if you disagree with her'
>>7831606
i tried to explain that trutrans is a bullshit concept and somehow this happened
help
>>7831749
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/
>>7831776
4chan is just one wing of the blanchardian revival
people are starting to realize that just calling something 'outdated disproven pseudoscience' doesn't mean it is, and they're looking deeper

>>7847850
>right-wing trannies are a lot more likely to be agp than hsts
How come? Is that poster right about feminism and MRA too?

>or 'too-clever-for-her-own-good member of the rationalist blogosphere who believes some bizarre libertarian-right philosophy she made up and sperg rages at you if you disagree with her'
Link if this is real or explanation if it's an example?

>>7847919
>How come?
because agps are likely to be late transitioners and were gender-conforming (if not always socially successful) men before
hstses are earlier (20s at most, rare exceptions) and more importantly were extremely gnc gay boys before and so have a bias as a category against right-wing beliefs
>Link if this is real or explanation if it's an example?
https://oktavia-von-gwwcendorff.tumblr.com/
http://voximperatoris.tumblr.com/
it's a type you meet a lot if you hang around rationalists

does being short count as gnc

>>7847965
>and were gender-conforming (if not always socially successful) men
What are the differences between socially successful and unsuccessful AGPs?

Do HSTS and AAP FTMs have the reverse bias, with HSTS more likely to be right-wing and AAP more likely to be left-wing and feminist?

>>7847977
HSTS natal males are physically more passable, so...

>>7848040
so what????

i mean im pretty sure im hsts or something cuz i like men and i looked so 100% like a girl in elementary school and all my friends were other girls and its so sad i only started when i was 18

>>7848024
>What are the differences between socially successful and unsuccessful AGPs?
the difference between, to use the extreme examples, 'navy seal' and '4chan nerd'. both of those are things men do far more often than women, but they're on opposite extremes of the socially lauded masculinity scale.
one observation: 'failed male' agps transition younger, 'failed males' struggle to find girlfriends, and agp is competitive with gynephilia to such a degree it is not unheard of for post-op agp women to detransition for a relationship and relationships with women are an important part of repression. i do not think those connections are coincidental.
>Do HSTS and AAP FTMs have the reverse bias, with HSTS more likely to be right-wing and AAP more likely to be left-wing and feminist?
not exactly. keep in mind a lot of hsts guys were butch lesbians before and some bring lesbian feminist stuff with them into manhood, though this is less common than it used to be because repressing through bulldyke status is now socially harder than just transitioning. however, aap guys are commonly very feminine in their political beliefs (that is, the specific sj kind of left-wing politics)
>>7847977
no

>>7848053
>no
ok how about long hair and not playing with the boys lol

>>7848053
>>7848043
you're hsts, even though being short is not the same thing as being gnc
18 is still younger than the median hsts transition age (or at least the median in 2009, it's probably dropped since)

>>7848057
>18 is still younger than the median hsts transition age (or at least the median in 2009, it's probably dropped since)
can i get more info on this it sounds interesting

>>7848059
larry nuttbrock -- a noted opponent of blanchard's -- did a study in 2009 on a large cohort of trans women in nyc and found they fit the typology super well
the trans women in the hsts grouping transitioned at a median age of 20 and fit all the other traits associated with hstses (gnc, androphilic, less likely to be white and lower socioeconomic status than agps, etc)

>>7848069
>less likely to be white
im finnish
>lower socioeconomic status
my family is also poor as fuck (by finland standards)

>>7848076
the running theory is that agps transition more in high-status environments because it's easier to be a nonpassing trans woman there, and hstses transition in low-status environments because it's harder to repress as an extremely effeminate gay man there
agp:hsts ratio is also influenced by individualism (countries that score higher on the hofstede individualism index have higher ratios), and certain ethnic groups in diverse countries have different ratios to the general population (in the united states you see a disproportionate number of hstses amongst latinas and asians because they're more collectivist than the general american population)

>>7848086
interesting

but idk i have this weird superiority complex when i dont find lingerie and all that arousing like yeah

>>7848053
The seal vs nerd is what I expected. But how do each of those influence the manifestation of AGP?

Your 'failed male' transition theory is very interesting. It implies the choice of transition is extremely grounded in the rest of the AGP's life. But if AGP repression can be done through relationships with women, why does AGP progress and lead to transitions like Caitlyn Jenner, when she was presumably very able to have relationships with women as Bruce?

>however, aap guys are commonly very feminine in their political beliefs (that is, the specific sj kind of left-wing politics)
Hence the confusion with trenders that isn't really comparable to anything on the MTF side.

>>7848096
Not the same poster but I guess that's a consequence of the stigma of male sexuality as perverted and the stigma in trans communities of transvestic arousal, on /lgbt/ of AGP explicitly.

>>7848097
>But if AGP repression can be done through relationships with women, why does AGP progress and lead to transitions like Caitlyn Jenner, when she was presumably very able to have relationships with women as Bruce?
caitlyn repressed pretty successfully, all things considered. she transitioned at 65 -- a lot of people are dead by then. and the course of her transition was a reasonably close match to her relationships, in that she first attempted it in the 1980s while single and then stopped taking hrt to get with kris jenner and parlayed that into another thirty years of repression. she transitioned a short time after her divorce from jenner and also after reaching a pretty old age where sexual relationships with others were no longer a focus.
>Hence the confusion with trenders that isn't really comparable to anything on the MTF side
it's a pretty big problem, all things considered. you can't reasonably predict whether any given kid will kill themselves if they don't transition or if they do. and as the single largest aspect of the massive increase in transsexualism prevalence in general/prevalence amongst under 18s in particular, things could go very, very wrong over the next ten years.

>>7848126
Do you think orientation is influenced by being a 'failed male'? The trope of 4chan nerds fapping to traps then wanting to be one normally involves guys, not becoming transbian. So are bi AGPs more likely to be that kind?

I imagine the more successful male AGPs being more transvestic on average too, but that's just my suspicion.

>>7843098
HSTS - AGP is more of a sliding scale than two distinct categories. Most people lean more heavily to one side than the other, but I'd say very few trans people actually fit literally every single distinction of either HSTS or AGP, and none of the other.

But you don't really need to figure out which you are if it's not helpful to you. All you really need to know is if you want to transition or not (and sometimes HRT can change your orientation later, anyway).

>>7848227
What are the distinctions? Orientation and crossdressing, for starters.

>>7848126
I thought this disagreement about AGPs could be down to 'failed male' vs successful Jenner variants >>7843313 >>7843315 >>7843461 >>7843706

And am I right about what I said to this anon? >>7848096 >>7848107

>>7848096
>but idk i have this weird superiority complex when i dont find lingerie and all that arousing like yeah
this is where "trutrans" comes from.

>>7853233
i can't entirely parse what you're saying in the first line. are you saying that one reason /tttt/ chronically misunderstands agp is because of exposure to the opposite ends of its presentation?
as for the second point, yes

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>>7830003
This is all just pseudoscience you know.

>>7857056
The four quotes are part of a disagreement about whether AGPs are driven by success and dominance or whether they want a peaceful and placid existence. It could be both for different AGPs though, the Jenners and the failed males.

>passing+pretty = hsts
>nonpassing = autophile

being a (relatively) failed male AGP is the worst possible thing
just zero chance to be happy ever

>>7857056
What do you think about her thing of getting a feeling of superiority for not getting aroused?

>>7857113
Sounds like personal experience speaking. Tell your tale?

>>7857122
I'm not the blanchard anon btw
Its just that you cant really make it as either a man or a woman
As a man you don't even want to attempt it and as a woman you will likely fail no matter how hard you try

>>7857152
Not too different from a nonpassing HSTS MTF or a cis failed male.

>>7857173
True, but being a nonpassing HSTS is far less likely and a failed cis guy at least knows who he wants to be

>>7857225
HeteroSexual TransSexual, a trans person attracted to the opposite sex to their transitioned sex.

>>7857228
>but being a nonpassing HSTS is far less likely
I doubt there's much in it. Transition age exaggerates the difference.

>and a failed cis guy at least knows who he wants to be
Don't be too sure, /r9k/ seems to have a lot of acquired AGP.

>>7857241
>>7857244
so is your point that heterosexual transexual is the best and most valid and true form of being transgender and less of a fetish than the other groupings of AGP, and that these are cast iron "orientations" and there cant be any sort of overlap?

>came out as trans and started hrt at 18
>as a young kid all my friends were girls, had no friends around 10-14, most of my friends were guys up until I became 18 where it balanced out
>have memories of wearing makeup and girl's clothes since a very young age, acting oddly feminine and different from other boys
>stopped wearing girl clothes and make up from 10-14
>at age 14 started wearing girl clothes and make up in secret again, partially as a sexual thing but also partially non sexual
>since starting hrt wearing girl clothes doesn't feel sexual at all
>was attracted mostly to girls, but also to some guys, but never really felt heavily attracted to anyone
>post hrt i'm more attracted to both genders but mostly men
>was extremely depressed for about 2 years prior to coming to terms with being trans at age 18 and seeking help
>prior to that it was only bouts of depression lasting a day or two whenever something would trigger me about not being a girl
>always liked having long hair, shoulder length at the minimum
>politically libertarian with some socialist leanings

Am I hsts or agp?

>>7857113
>being a (relatively) failed male AGP is the worst possible thing
iktf

>>7857113
Maybe that's why I smoke weed a lot. I'm an AGP failed male. I have a large masculine body(and skull) so being male is much safer and easier than being a tranny.

>>7863409
I thought you had left for greener pastures!

>>7857611
The answer depends on what year it was when you were 18

>>7857611
>partially as a sexual thing
you're agp

>>7868458
It's really that easy, no question about it?

>>7868476
well, alright, it's a simplification -- the way you describe your situation in general is strongly associated with agp (pointing at things like, say, long hair, which is not really uncommon for guys in the west today -- but is near universal amongst pre-transition agps -- as a sign of gender-non-conformity, and dressing up in secret rather than the social femininity of even an introverted hsts) -- but 'partially a sexual thing and partially not' is a classical agp way of downplaying exactly how sexual it was

>>7868494
It's not my situation, I just thought the relatively young age (16 counting the two years of depression), wanting feminine things at a very young age, all girls as friends, and "different from the other boys" pointed HSTS.

Is long hair less common for pre-transition HSTS MtFs?

What are other tell-tale clues to downplayed AGP?

>>7867938
I really should, but there is some interesting trans threads here. Plus that drama with Cara, gotta see how that ends.

>>7869021
iktf regarding the drama. Which threads do you find so interesting?

>>7875378
I occasionally read ftmg, agpg or repgen. Otherwise random stuff will catch my interest. For example i'm currently reading about a self hating mtf pajeet, swimming while trans, hons and a detransitioning thread.

>>7877445
The detransitioning makes sense. Why did the swimming one catch your eye, given that it doesn't really apply to you?

>mfw captcha says CARA

>>7877486
Well it's just one of those silly trans problems I find amusing to read about. Also I can relate a bit because when I was considering transition, swimming was a concern.

>>7848096
>but idk i have this weird superiority complex when i dont find lingerie and all that arousing like yeah

>>7857278
AGP and HSTS are both variant males who want to be women. Both are transgender, in very different ways.

>>7831523
>>7831601
>>7831568

Isn't Cypro + E supposed to kill Libido anyways? Wouldn't that essentially be the cure to the negative effects of AGP?
They're signing up for chemical castration at the very worst...

I've heard of plenty of AGPs getting involved in stable loving heteronormative relationships with cis men.
Because they actually like to be manhandled, sex with a woman is boring and unfurfilling, and any liking for another woman's appearance just inspires jealousy to be even prettier for their man.

That is unless you ACTUALLY believe in the classical Blanchard's typology, rather than the literal greek meaning, in which case you're retarded.

>>7857611
>Obviously Bi
>Am I HSTS?
>"Am I a Homosexual Transgender?" Says the Male-preferred Bisexual Woman...

Why do you even care? You won't get validation from /lgbt/ even if you manage to jump through their tiny ass mental hoops all day.
They're all just a bunch of catty bitches, and we dig into eachother to make sure that we don't get to comfortable and are always working on passing and fitting into society as a woman.

Do you pass?
That's all you should care about.
If the answer is Yes, still work on passing even better or being even prettier and cuter