How do you get over the fact that hrt will pretty much inevitably

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i mean if this was a big concern and you had cash you could sperm bank before you chemically castrate yourself

or you know, adopt. there are plenty of cis women who are infertile, it's not a defining feature of who you are

also >going off hormones ever

>>7815971
>implying i want to impregnate someone as a woman
I take infertility over that. If being a mother isn't an option I'm happier without children to call my own.

>>7816028
Cis lesbians get sperm donors. What's the difference really? One gets pregnant, the other doesn't. They're still both moms.

>>7816055
It's not the same thing. The woman in that scenario still gets to bear her own child.

>>7815971
Freeze your sperm if you're really that obsessed with procreating. I don't want children of my own though because the world is already vastly overpopulated.

>>7816064
They're both women in that scenario.

>>7816076
It's still not one of their children. If I were a lesbian I wouldn't want that either.

We are allowed to have different opinions btw.

>>7816005
Yeah, I'm an infertile cis lesbian and it's really not a huge deal to me.
Now, I probably took better than most straight women would, considering I always planned on if I had kids with a partner, she would be the one to get pregnant because my family has so many genetic issues to start with.

>>7815971
I'm not even on HRT but I've been gifted with an absolute lack of procreative instinct and it's one of the things I'm unconditionally happier for. Children are expensive and ungratifying [spoiler]and the existence of my people and a future for their children are secured anyway[/spoiler].

>>7816227
For me I find children to be a nuisance and feel like they take up a ton of your time, but at the same time I have the urge to pass on my genes one way or another

I have a couple of really annoying but non-fatal genetic things I'd rather not pass on, and being the impregnator in a relationship would be dysphoric af.

>>7816090
i really think people like you are not capable of being good parents regardless

>>7816330
If by like you, you mean trans people, explain please.

>>7815971
I thought bica saved your balls.

>>7816335
He means you're not allowed to care whether a baby is genetically related to you because it hurts their feelings you're not okay with literal biological cuckoldry.

In the next 60 years genetic evolution will be inferior to gene editing, and the quirky 'just like me' of having kids will slowly fade away as each generation becomes more and more congruent with the evolving trends of what defines 'attractive.'

The experience of raising kids is the only thing you're missing out on.

If that doesn't happen, then we'll likely be living in a dystopian nightmare of some flavor or another... My vote would be for Mad Max, but I think The Road is more likely.

I DONT WANT KIDS

>>7816503
why the caps?

>>7815971
wait what? You're this sad about your shitty genetics but you don't know you can jizz in a bottle and have it frozen for use later?

>>7815971
adopt a child you nasty piece of shit and stop being so fucking selfish

god i hate breeders so much

>>7816597
Adopting a kid is a lot harder than you'd think. It's certainly no longer "go to an orphanage and pick one out" and a lot of places are still conservative enough it's hard to adopt as a gay couple, let alone trans.

I've been sterile for years. At the beginning I didn't want kids. As I aged, once I got into my late 20's the desire started cropping up and the fact I'll never have it just hits me in the heart so hard sometimes.

I also work with kids (I'm a teacher) so I have constant reminders.

>>7815971
If you're trans should you even be having kids though? Obviously the cause isn't established but on the off-chance it's genetic are you really so desperate to have biological kids that you'd be willing to possibly make your child trans?

I wouldn't want my kids to go through what I've had to go through, I want my kids to to be straight and cis. I would want them to live a life worth living and not having to worry about their own brain fighting against their body their entire life.
I know as of now epigenetics is the goto answer for being gay/les/trans, etc. but even then the cause of the epigenetic changes aren't known. It's not a risk I would want to take personally. People can claim self-hate and internalized homophobia or whatever you want but why would you not want your children to go through life with the path of least resistance?

>>7816639
For the same reason anyone with a known genetic issue would have kids, it's important to them and worth taking the bet on. Especially considering you don't know for sure if there's a genetic link.
Personally, I would want the pain of being trans on my kid, but if it happened, I'm one of the best equipped to deal with it. The fact my kid would get hormone blockers and then HRT as early as possible would ease things a lot.

>>7816658
*I wouldn't want
damn, cannot type tonight

>>7816658
Saying you know how to deal with it is perfectly fine, but not every child is going to instantly walk up to you at the age of 8 and say "I'm a girl" and everything will be perfect from that point on. What if they end up like your average 4channer and are autistic, introverted, and are trans to boot and then they grow up basically saying nothing at all and bottling all of it up? You personally cannot do a thing about that.

>>7816668
Well, they would know that I'm accepting and I would make it a point to tell them that they're gay or trans they can tell me, so I hate to say it, but it would be their fault in that case.

>>7816696
Well, I do understand people do actually make the conscious choice to do it anyways. But from a perspective of sterility it's not the end of the world. There are many upsides to it and you shouldn't be upset about it.
Have you ever met any adopted children or parents raising adopted children from birth before? Many people have misconceptions over what it is like.

>>7816028
This. Y'all need to quit it, how could you bear to be a father?

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>>7816658
You are knowingly taking a chance on bringing a kid into this world that will suffer...and why? If you really care about the kid you wouldn't drag him/her into this shitty existence on this shitty planet infected with retarded humans.

If you are trans you should adopt if you want kids. Preferably a transkid.

>>7816735
Anyone having a kid brings that kid into the world knowing they will suffer. It's part of life, anon.

>>7815971
I don't give a shit. If I want kids, I'll just adopt. Idk how any trans woman can deal with fathering a child. Like, the fucking thing is going to see you as a man no matter what you do because you're literally their dad.

>>7815971
Well I like guys so it wasn't going to happen anyway

>>7815971
chemical castration only applies while on hrt. if you stop it for long enough it can come back.

i had an orchiectomy at yale back in december. the urologist is a specialist in male fertility. we had some lengthy discussion about it because i didnt bank any sperm prior and he wanted to make sure i had the opportunity presented to me before a permenant surgery like that.

>>7817599
Lmao this. My dad runs around in dresses now but I will never be able to see him as my mom. He can do whatever he wants its his own life I can respect his pronouns when he is around but ill never call him mom. He will always be my dad.

>>7817668
I meam, it depends on age. If you adopt a 12 year old, yeah, they'll figure it out quick. But anything under 4? They won't guess mommy is actually daddy #2.

>>7817681
If they are under 4 and get to the right age and start wondering who their biological dad is. And realize mommy used his sperm to create me. So my mom is also my dad. Have fun with permanently damaging your kid with that.

hsts so w/e

>>7816724
I mean biologically you'd be a father but as long as you look and act female and the child calls you "mommy" I don't see how that would matter to me

my sister said she will donate one of her eggs and a surrogate so I'll get to be a mommy and my parents still get grandkids

>>7815971
>before you're too old for its effects
How old is too old ;-;

>>7820590
It really depends on the individual but the best time to start is now.

It's better to start earlier, so if this shit is bothering someone, they should get on it ASAP before it gets worse than it already is. If one is past the point of passing then they're past the point of passing, oh well. If not, good for them. But either way it's best to start and halt the masculinization, because that will prevent the physical body situation from getting any worse.

>>7820539
I wish I had a sister :(

>>7820539
tfw my sister is 32 and also probably wouldn't even do that for me and won't have kids of her own because she's still a virgin

>>7815971
Males are already biologically expendable, won't make a difference anyway lol

That's why female infertitily is such a big deal compared to male infertility, why all civilizations had eunuchs at some point

>>7822808
Still at a personal level I'd like to have biological offspring (or at least donate sperm) at some point

>>7817650
Thought it wasn't guaranteed that you'd produce sperm again

>>7816627
I'm sorry to hear that :(
I hope that things work out for you. Stay strong.