>your small, soft, curvy, effortlessly feminine hsts early

>>7777152
cara just leave already
you fucking freak

>>7777162
cara is not ftm

>>7777167
>believes this fake story from a ""FTM"" point of vew

>>7777152
trutrans af
no female brain could come up with a fetish like that

>>7777152
posts pics of the girl

>transman
> wanting conetits
> wanting any tits
Nope

>>7777277
i'm op, i know what my horrifying fetish is
>>7777333
i don't want any tits
i will greatly enjoy the time when i have no tits
that makes it even weirder

another ywn
>lgbtbbq event downtown tonight
>tuck feminine penis into panties and unsteadily hook bra (sized for 36 inch ribcage and tanner 3 conetits)
>lace up waist cincher to give a 0.8 waist-hip ratio
>pull rainbow thigh highs up
>put on slutty club dress from crossdresser website, notice it's a bit too loose on the hips, adjust conetits in dress
>put on flats (5'11" and still learning to walk in heels) and jacket (have to hide 18 inch shoulders)
>apply several layers of foundation to hide beard shadow (have to get electrolysis after laser hair removal grew back)
>apply cheap whore makeup because no idea how to apply normal girl makeup
>leave bathroom, see 5'2" 34-23-35 early transitioner gf dressed in tasteful evening wear
>she looks up, "are you ready to go anonette? you look beautiful"
>"y-yes"
>travel downtown on bus, 13 year old girls on bus are giggling while looking in my direction
>go to event
>most of the lgb people there are eyeing me off as a goddamn tranny
>everyone thinks we're a cisbian/transbian couple
>sjws keep trying to corner me to tell me how brave i am

>>7777152
>why does this type of agp exist and how did a trans *man* end up with it?
Because >>7777315 probably.

This is a flipped version of an mtf fantasy of being a cis tomboy and having a twink bf. Does that happen? I bet it does.

>>7777408
but i'm not aap, i have no fantasies about being *a man* (feminine or otherwise), which is the actual inverse of what you're describing
the equivalent would be if an exclusively gynephilic, hsts-profile, never had an agp fantasy trans girl who was very attracted to trans guys (i'm attracted to trans girls) had a fantasy about being a trans guy who identifies as and is treated as male, is on t and has t changes, but doesn't pass not in that he looks like a girl (nobody would confuse him for even a butch girl) but in that he has visible ftm traits (e.g. short with child bearing hips, obvious top surgery scars, and neotenous face)
i have not met that inverse

>>7777425
>but i'm not aap,
That's the odd thing that made me quote the trutrans af theory.

If hsts and agp/aap are entirely separate etiologies, then it would make sense for getting both to be possible. So you as an hsts trans man can get agp like a natal male, or aap like a non-hsts natal female, or somewhere in-between which would explain the weird mix of themes in the fantasy.

Is the attraction to other trans people normal for hsts profile people or only agp/aap profile?

>>7777485
attraction to other trans people *in the same way you are*, andromimetophilia for ftms and gynemimetophilia for mtfs, is part of the a*p profile
it's becoming an increasingly integral part with new research and raises questions as to whether hsts and a*p trans groups should be integrated, though given younger a*ps are no less vulnerable than hstses to the advances of older a*ps the insistence on segregation a few people have (looking at you, kay brown) probably wouldn't stop much
but in my experience trans people of both etiologies who have at least some heterosexual (in transitioned sex) attraction are reasonably attracted to trans people of the opposite sex, because they don't have the same mental blocks about it than cis people would
i choose to prioritize my attraction to trans women in a way that isn't hugely common amongst those who aren't primarily/exclusively gynemimetophilic, because i looked at the cis girl playing field i had (mostly sjws) and concluded trans girls were a step up

>>7777506
>attraction to other trans people *in the same way you are*, andromimetophilia for ftms and gynemimetophilia for mtfs, is part of the a*p profile
That confirms it, hsts are similar enough to natal members of their transitioned sex that they can get the same a*p. Congrats, you're trans both ways!

Although that doesn't explain why the fantasy would be of a hon and not a qt passing trans girl. But that's a minor variation that could just be a response to having been a natal female or having experience of trans communities.

Why would your fantasy be an hsts trans gf if the point is stepping up from cis girls?

>>7777531
>Although that doesn't explain why the fantasy would be of a hon and not a qt passing trans girl
more 'twinkhon', this is an important distinction
despite not technically being a chaser, i've joked that i'm a 'truchaser' because i'm attracted to actual mtf traits (e.g. conetits) and don't just lust after the idea of a cis girl with a dicc (the dicc is my least favourite part, actually)
the only other 'truchaser' i've met is, of course, cara, who to this day is disappointed that nikki doesn't have a fridgebod
the autogynemimetophilic fantasy girl is less of a true susan's place hon and more of what the bad end of 18-24 transition looks like, with a lot of clearly masc traits and no idea how to make the best of her fem ones (spent adolescence playing vidya instead of learning hair and makeup) but able to pass to clueless cis people -- and i've seen some nonetheless cute girls on that end of the spectrum, leading me to conclude it's the most masculine i can be attracted to
>Why would your fantasy be an hsts trans gf if the point is stepping up from cis girls?
because trans girls *are* still cute, and a trans girl in that fantasy who looks to all the world like a cis girl is a pretty important part of the more humiliation aspect that, you guessed it, ties into agp in general (and i think influences this specific variant, in that even in cis men the mix of masc and fem traits is part of the humiliation and my brain is just compensating for a relative lack of masc traits)

>>7777545
>more 'twinkhon', this is an important distinction
That makes it sound more aap and more like the switch I mentioned originally of a natal male agp having a fantasy of being a boyish girl. It's not an exact equivalent as you pointed out, but it's similar.

Some differences might be due to how being treated as male or female feels different to ftms and mtfs. Do aaps have the same arousal from being treated as male as agps have from being treated as female? Do aaps have a humiliation component the same way agps do?

There might also be a similarity to femboy aap or agp, but I don't know enough about their fantasies to speculate.

>despite not technically being a chaser, i've joked that i'm a 'truchaser' because i'm attracted to actual mtf traits (e.g. conetits) and don't just lust after the idea of a cis girl with a dicc (the dicc is my least favourite part, actually)
That's interesting. Perhaps the mtf equivalent would be attraction to a natal female with masculine traits. Not necessarily ftm traits like top scars, but things like a flat chest or boyish body that register as masculine.

Your fantasy being specifically a transitioning mtf could be a variation on that. Can you feel a similar a*p attraction to being a femboy, passing trap, etc?

>because trans girls *are* still cute, and a trans girl in that fantasy who looks to all the world like a cis girl is a pretty important part of the more humiliation aspect that, you guessed it, ties into agp in general
But why is she hsts and not an early transitioning agp who might be more male-minded despite passing?

At the least, this makes it more gynephilic which is consistent with your straight hsts sexuality.

>and i think influences this specific variant, in that even in cis men the mix of masc and fem traits is part of the humiliation and my brain is just compensating for a relative lack of masc traits
I don't follow. Can you explain this part again?

>>7777652
>That makes it sound more aap
'twinkhon' is more /tttt/-speak for the type of trans girl i described who doesn't actually pass but has a more feminized face and body than a hon
so if anything that would be less aap, in that she's more feminine than a hon
>Do aaps have the same arousal from being treated as male as agps have from being treated as female? Do aaps have a humiliation component the same way agps do?
from the aaps i've known the answers are yes and no, respectively
>That's interesting. Perhaps the mtf equivalent would be attraction to a natal female with masculine traits. Not necessarily ftm traits like top scars, but things like a flat chest or boyish body that register as masculine.
conetits seem to translate pretty directly to top surgery scars to me
>Can you feel a similar a*p attraction to being a femboy, passing trap, etc?
no, there's nothing autoerotic about being an effeminate male just as there is none in being a male in general
though i do know an aap (in terms of etiology) trans guy whose aap self-image is specifically extremely effeminate in that way, he draws a lot of femboy art, he spends most of his time on /r9k/ but made a thread on this board once about how his desire for effeminacy has increased on t
>At the least, this makes it more gynephilic which is consistent with your straight hsts sexuality.
i'm not sure how that would make it any more gynephilic
the hsts bit is mostly to specify *really* early transition, pre-puberty and pre-a*p developing to dysphoria-causing points
>I don't follow. Can you explain this part again?
the humiliation aspect of agp is generally in a specific 'feminized male' context -- sissies are not exactly meant to be like cis women
my best guess here is that autogynemimetophilia is the closest i can get to having something along the lines of a sissification fetish

>>7777506
spamming your shit on 4chan does not count as research you idiot

>>7777743
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308036975_Sexual_Arousal_Patterns_of_Autogynephilic_Male_Cross-Dressers
really makes you think

>>7777545
>with a lot of clearly masc traits and no idea how to make the best of her fem ones (spent adolescence playing vidya instead of learning hair and makeup) but able to pass to clueless cis people
hey, thats me

be my bf

>>7777696
>conetits seem to translate pretty directly to top surgery scars to me
Physically yes, but these things won't necessarily exactly parallel. Additionally your involvement in the trans community means there's good reason for your fantasies to involve transition themes.

>no, there's nothing autoerotic about being an effeminate male just as there is none in being a male in general
If the focus of your fantasies and the point of being twinkhon not hon is being feminine then it does sound agp. What other agp fantasies do you have?

Your aap friend is interesting for being borderline agp in his own way. I'd like to hear more about his fantasies. Do his aap fantasies involve being treated as a guy or a girl?

The desire for effeminacy increasing on T is especially interesting. Does aap usually fade with transition the same as agp? If so, I'd say his sexuality is agp more than aap. I've never heard of agp etiology mtfs having similar borderline aap.

>and pre-a*p developing to dysphoria-causing points
Why is this important to the fantasy?

>the humiliation aspect of agp is generally in a specific 'feminized male' context -- sissies are not exactly meant to be like cis women
>my best guess here is that autogynemimetophilia is the closest i can get to having something along the lines of a sissification fetish
Personally I question the connection between sissification and agp. Why do you doubt you can have a true sissification fantasy just because you are natal female?

The fact that aap fantasies don't have a humiliation connection does seem relevant though.

>>7777853
post personality [spoiler]so i can larp as someone who respects women[/spoiler]
>>7777872
>What other agp fantasies do you have?
still working through that, though i definitely seem to have them in general
>I'd like to hear more about his fantasies. Do his aap fantasies involve being treated as a guy or a girl?
i don't know his exact setup, and aap is hilariously underresearched by way of most of the people involved in the topic not actually believing in it
he definitely wants to be treated as a guy, c.f. his entire transition
he fits the aap profile and the like, which is why i'm confident it's what specifically spurred him on, and transitioning would imply wanting to be seen as a man
>Why is this important to the fantasy?
being 'better at being a woman than me', basically
kinda like how the mistress in sissification/feminization stuff is generally either cis or one of the many variants of cis-girls-with-dicks who exist in fantasy
>Personally I question the connection between sissification and agp. Why do you doubt you can have a true sissification fantasy just because you are natal female?
i'd say sissification is pretty clearly a subtype of agp, the fact people mention it in the same breath as crossdressing and forced feminization makes it clear (see also: any /d/ cyoa, or really /d/ in general, they should just rename it /agp/ already)
sissification, forced feminization, transvestic fetishism, that whole branch of agp all implies starting from a male point, and so someone with that fantasy who isn't starting from a natal male point specifically is going to have a bit of a weird-looking presentation of it

>>7777152
I dont get the humiliation parts of these.
I understand the girl girl thing because Im into chicks but why would you want any of the other shit to happen?
Also, unless shes using a strap on or viagra, most trans broads arent going to be plowing anyone from behind.
>rainbow thigh highs
Maybe its because Im such a recluse but Is this a transgirl stereotype? I see this from time to time. Who the fuck wears those that aren't still in middle school?

>>7777152
>you will never stand there as she introduces you to her progressive friends, who she is stealth to, and watch them all get excited as they realize they have a 'visible trans woman' to parade around for progressive points

I would totally do this.

>>7778224
>post personality
I'm cyclically depressive, socially dysfunctional and withdrawn 3/4 of the time, clumsy and sort of generally incompetent and bad brained in an ADD way.

I dress like a boy half the time and am fairly outgoing tho

>>7778224
>post personality [spoiler]so i can larp as someone who respects women[/spoiler]
>implying she wants to be respected

>he definitely wants to be treated as a guy, c.f. his entire transition
The way he wants to be treated won't necessarily be the way he is in his fantasies. See the many agps with unrealistically submissive fantasies.

>being 'better at being a woman than me', basically
>kinda like how the mistress in sissification/feminization stuff is generally either cis or one of the many variants of cis-girls-with-dicks who exist in fantasy
I didn't realize it was important to those kinds of fantasy that the mistress be more feminine. I wonder how this affects pseudo-bisexuality.

>i'd say sissification is pretty clearly a subtype of agp, the fact people mention it in the same breath as crossdressing and forced feminization makes it clear (see also: any /d/ cyoa, or really /d/ in general, they should just rename it /agp/ already)
I think many agps start there but as a fetish it is different in that there isn't actually a transformation to female.

Why do you say /d/ in general is agp?

Your fantasy still involves you starting out as a natal male, so I don't see how it fits a natal female better than the fantasies you mention. That said, it is a relevant question why a fantasy like yours isn't common for natal male agps.

>>7778650
>Who the fuck wears those that aren't still in middle school?
Trans girls usually wish they were kids again.

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>>7777152
>>7777358
>conetits
> 0.8 waist-hip ratio
>5'11
>(have to get electrolysis after laser hair removal grew back)
>narrow hips
Whoa, it's like someone knows my late transitioner body well

>>7777358
>tfw 28 inch ribcage
>tfw 0.7 waist-hip ratio
>tfw 5'7''
>tfw never needed electrolysis
>tfw 32-24-34

Where do I even fit into this. I'm not perfect, but I'm apparently not a twinkhon, so what am I?

>>7777358
NO no no no no no no NO NO NO reading this made me start crying

I'd rather kill myself than get to that point why did you have to remind us all this is our fate

>>7783560
A dead boaster

You should kill yourself my man

>>7783595
Spooky

>>7783560
Aren't you the one who keeps bragging about being a so-called "early" transitioner despite looking like a man?

>>7785169
>bragging

Not what I'm doing.

>despite looking like a man

?????

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if i went to the gas chamber as a cost of the rest of you demented fucks going with me, it would be worth it.

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>>7777152
>Tfw I want to be the passing smol mtf that dates you and treats you like this
>Tfw I'm too masc to be the passing smol mtf that dates you and treats you like this

>>7785607
>tfw want to be a passing mtf who dates a repressed hon and helps her enjoy being a man

>>7780526
>Why do you say /d/ in general is agp?
Different anon, futa is obviously very AGP.

>>7786809
>tfw AGP and never got the appeal of futa

>twinkhon
worst meme of the month

>>7788097
Same. Are we truer AGP for sexually identifying with cis girls?

>>7777152
>your small, soft, curvy, effortlessly feminine hsts early transitioner

Jesus cara, why you worry about early transitioners so much you literal nigger.

>>7777358
damn, your writing and imagination are pretty good, hitting me right in those esoteric feels

I'm gonna need to go for a walk now

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>>7777358

>>7793266
Who do you want to be in his AGP fantasy?

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>>7793865
it's cara, of course she wants to be the early transitioner

>>7793987
Then why would he want to date a hon?