What triggered your AGP?

>>7745976

My first AGP moment happened at 11 when I turned the TV on and I saw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dW2MmuA1nI4 at around 2 min in because it was tuned to MTV. Specifically, imagining myself as one of the girls in their bikinis was what aroused me. I wanted to be like them.

I planned on becoming a girl before this though.

>>7746035
>Black people

Maybe a nice quadroon, but ehh.

>>7745976
I was 9 and it was "Murder she wrote".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksQlLF7JB8

Since then my only thought is to become a nice british, investigative lady.

I turned out being a massive hon instead.

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It caused the first AGP fantasies I remember, when I was 10 or so.

>>7746262
Fucking hell, OP here.

That too, seemed like too much for and too exclusionary to men.

Fuck my life should have been born in 1800s or some shit

>>7746080

It just seemed sensual to me at the time, senpai. I don't like blacks much either, but that's how it happened.

>>7746111

You're joking, right?

>>7746262

So which did you self-insert as? I remember liking the redhead most, but I don't think if I self-inserted.

>>7745976
I would't say AGP but sailor moon was the first time I kinda have dysphoria issues because I wanted to play with my older sisters but they kept saying only girls could be sailor moons.

Once they let me dress in their clothes though so it was nice then my mom found out and beat me.

Growing in the 90s was hardcore, lots of mom slaps and stuff.

and yeah I'm almost 30 nowadays FML.

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>>7746850
What do you mean I can't be the Slayer?

I honestly blame the culture, I'm obviously not Trans, I just think culture has feminized the youth, including myself, and I think AGP is a side product of that.

I'd rather grow up as Übermensch, but no, fucked up in the head. Have to repress this shit.

http://fairlyoddparents.wikia.com/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Would_Be_Queen
http://heyarnold.wikia.com/wiki/Helga%27s_Makeover

>>7745976
Ridiculous logic, its more likely you were already trans and this triggered it off just like s lot of trans realize they are trans when they find out about it.

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>>7746945
I'm not trans though, I have no wish to transition, It just turns me on asf.

It's really not a problem unless I'm aroused, and I find women attractive soo it's really not a problem as long as I keep my mouth shut.

Well I guess to be frank, in terms of how what kind of life I'd want to live:

Attractive woman>Attractive man>Average Woman>Average Man>Ugly Woman>Ugly Man.

Objectively I'm kind of attractive, so it would be a net loss, since I'd end most definitely end up less attractive than I am now.

I'd call me a weird sexual fetishist, and mentally fucked up, but not anything else.

Probably Bi, Predominantly straight, I think if I grew up in a different time, I would have grown up normal, I think I have certain predispositions for this kind of crap, obviously, but I think I would have grown up perfectly normal if it wasn't the age of the internet and television.

>>7746996
Why then isn't everyone fucked up if it was these tv shows?

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One of my earliest memories of wanting to be a girl was reading The Cat Ate My Gymsuit as a kid and desperately wanting to be the main character in the book. Funnily enough this book also made me realize I was interested in the idea of being a feedee as well..

>>7747009
Because not everybody grew up with a single mother like myself and not everyone had the predispositions?

Single motherhood fucks you up, no matter how you look at it I've seen the numbers.

Boys delay puberty by 2 years on average if they don't have a father around, Girls enter puberty two years prior.

That is some concerning shit

You are something like 6x times more likely to end up commiting crime or being a low life if you grew up without a father.

Etc, etc, etc the figures go on and on.

I'm not delegitimizing legitimate Trans people, but I do think a lot of AGP, and men being more feminine and less masculine as of late is due to that.

>>7746996

I found there was a transgender erotic novel in the 18th or 19th century where the central character was married to a woman but he crossdressed and she called him Mrs. something. So no, I think you would have developed AGP all the same.

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>>7747035
I'm willing to bet whoever wrote that book grew up with an absent father. I'd love to go into psychology to specifically study this, but I very much thing AGP could be strongly correlated to single motherhood

>>7747035
>>7747055
Not to mention AGP =/= Trans

But crossdressing in 18th was probably the next best thing, it's impossible to say what it was.

>>7746262
I had fantasizes of being the 4th spy. We'd go on missions together and then later we'd go shopping and hook up with cute guys. ><

>>7747033
I'm trans grow up with single mother did have step father hit male puberty faster than others etc, I've asked my self im i trans because i had a single mother and grew up watch sailor moon then i realize thats retarded it was my choice to watch stuff like sailor moon and loads of straight guys etc were raised by single mothers.

Ive known many others with single mothers that dont have any of the issues you listed.

>>7747144
Not talking about Trans, talking about AGP.

Don't experience dysphoria outside of when I'm horny, I never think about it outside of that. I very much think the two are related.

As for you, growing up without a dad, might have been a net positive for you since puberty is delayed if you are growing up with a single mother, might have made you more feminine.

>>7747055

But then what about me? I had my father around and while he feels he should have been around more, I
was actually sick of having him around. I still have AGP. Hardly anything to do with him was fun. He would want to go to the park to fish or play sports, I found that boring. He would take us to a flea market, apparently to waste time because he hardly bought anything. Most weekend trips were to visit extended families in their tiny NYC apartments. It would involve lots of talking on his part with the adults and lots of boredom on the part of my brothers and I. Occasionally, he would invite a person or a few of the people we were visiting to stay the night or weekend with us. Because we're a family of five to begin with, and we would not get a minivan until years later, we would have to be bunched up in the back. Once in a while he would sit my brothers and I down to talk for an hour or so about plans I was not interested in and where he was the only one talking for the most part. That was my history with my father for elementary school. In middle school I started thinking that I, personally, would have been better off without him. Just my mother and I. But I still had two brothers and my mother wouldn't be able to support the three of us alone.

>>7745976
Pantyhose commercials
Mom's cosmos and vogues
Disney movies
Mom letting me play with her makeup
90's girl power music

>>7747183
It wasnt delayed i had facial hair earlier than other guys pretty spend up if anything, didnt get male chest hair til 25 tho.

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>>7747203
I'd kill for your childhood.

My father is a very educated and intelligent man, finished top 2% in his college, scored 150 IQ on the bell curve according to state certified tests, but when it comes to actually being a father... Well...

He got some lung disease, so much for doing any sports or anything with his son while growing up. Talk STEM with your dad once you see him once a month, and your mother LARPs wants you to hike with her and shit, things you want to do with your dad not your mother, forces me to do sports, which I did, but dropped out of, I regret it (Mostly because of massive insecurity issues due to never doing shit with my dad)

Having insecurities when it comes to team sports, singing, dancing, basically any social activity.

In hindsight, It was much better when I was competative, life started going downhill.

Yeah I blame my upbringing, my sister is pretty damaged too.

>>7747218
You might be an outlier, but that is legitimate research. Boys who grow up without a father tend to start puberty later, and end it later as well.

>>7746035
>My first AGP moment happened at 11 when I turned the TV on and I saw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dW2MmuA1nI4 [Embed] at around 2 min in because it was tuned to MTV.

Hello darling. Long time, no email.

>>7747203
I had this experience too. My dad was around, and pretty much only wanted to do the typical father-son stuff, but I found it boring. I never wanted to go backpacking or play sports in the summer, but I did because he forced me to.

>>7747249
you sound like one real beta bitch

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>>7745976
Revy triggered it.
I've always wanted to 'get big' and be strong. (I lift now) and seeing a QT athletic tough anime grill like this awakened in me that I could get big but still be a cute girl.
I've been lifting and losing weight for her for nearly 18 months. Another 18 months and I think I will achieve becoming her
>>7746908
I remember mild AGP feelings when I saw this but I was too young to understand them. I didn't become AGP until I was a man (anime girl)

>>7747249
I had a similar childhood but I don't see how this could cause AGP.

Both parents are highly educated and was always busy with work when I was younger. Also argued and fought, sometimes physically. Mother forced me to do sports but I hated doing those.

They only started to pay attention to their parenting of me when I was smoking weed daily and dropped out of high school.

Now that I'm moved out, my father really wants me to spend more time with him, but all I feel is contempt for him.

>>7747302
Pretty much, single motherhood is poison.

I think I'm a pretty relatively attactive person and not to honk my own horn, but I don't think I'm stupid either.

If I had more test and a better environment to grow up in, I could have grown up a Chad

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>>7747324
Pretty much, shitty parents fuck up their kids.

At this point, all I want from my life is to have kids, pretend I'm not fucked up, and give them a normal upbringing, so they aren't as fucked up as I am. It's all I can hope for from my pathetic life

>>7745976
Transbian here. My earliest sexual fantasies were centered around being a frail and feminine boy that got kidnapped, tied up and molested by a strong woman. I think repressing that desire and trying to fit into the male gender role are what caused me to develop AGP.

Also I did have a father figure during childhood...along with three older sisters and a very kind and nurturing mother. Dad was a religious zealot and an overbearing asshole that abused my mom and three sisters. He would always try to make me do traditionally masculine things like rough sports and construction work and I hated every second of it. Probably one of my worst memories is being 8 or 10 years old and hiding in the closet and crying when he wanted me to go with him to work. Looking back he probably tainted my view of men for the longest time and I was always subconsciously scared of men since then. I don't know if that has much to do with it but there may be a connection somewhere in all that.

>>7747539
>being a frail and feminine boy that got kidnapped, tied up and molested by a strong woman

I used to go to sleep thinking about this every night. Minus the molested part.

>Looking back he probably tainted my view of men for the longest time and I was always subconsciously scared of men since then.

Same. Only my dad wasn't religious, just an alcoholic wife beater.

>>7747572
I would do the same thing too. Something about being submissive is really comforting to me. Tbh I still do it occasionally as an adult though it's much less focused on being forcibly taken and made to submit than it is just willfully giving myself to someone I'm really attracted to. And I just imagine myself as I am now as a shy and sensitive trans girl instead of a femboy. One thing that always remained the same however is the fantasy figure of an older, much stronger woman, which is probably why I prefer to date taller or physically stronger women who are slightly older than me.

Pretty weird coincidence tho. I often wonder if these kind of fantasies even qualify as AGP since they're more focused on the other party and what they're doing to me.

Part of me wonders if abusive or overbearing fathers contribute to it all more than shitty single mothers do.

>>7747406
>wanting to be a Chad
W E W
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>>7747460
It's gonna fail.

>>7745976
Bridget.

>>7746035
>I planned on becoming a girl before this though.
Explain?

>>7747977
Why would it?

It's not that hard

>>7747284

Uh-oh...

>>7747406
>single motherhood is poison.
>If I had more test and a better environment to grow up in, I could have grown up a Chad
You don't like being AGP?!

>>7748166
There's a lot of shame and discomfort in having the condition, especially if you're trans as well. The stigma is unbearable.

>>7748166
Clearly, what is there to like?

Besides at this point I've pretty much consumed all brands of the specific kind of porn I get off to, it's hard to get more

>>7745976
being natal female triggered my agp
>be young boygirl on the cusp of puberty with masculinized brain and worsening dysphoria
>masculinized brain responds to hormone influxes with extreme sexual attraction towards women
>too dysphoric to actually consider the idea of sexual intercourse, but confused as to what dysphoria is due to feminist upbringing that made me conclude all women are constantly suicidal about having female bodies
>notice intense gynephilia and conclude that my dysphoria is actually that i don't look like a girl i would consider attractive
>delay coming out for three years (until my mum directly asks if i'm trans) because of agp fantasies as coping mechanism

>>7748183
Don't let other people make you ashamed of your sexuality. How is that any different from how gay people used to feel?

>>7748188
What is there to like about being straight or gay?

Could you write your own porn?

>>7745976
Reminder that AGP is a myth.

>>7748216
>What is there to like about being straight or gay?
>Could you write your own porn?
Are you daft?

what is an AGP?

>>7748221
>t. a tranny who doesn't have AGP and assumes everyone is like her

AGP means that being a woman gives you sexual arousing, but you don't experience dysphoria outside of being horny.

The two go hand in hand, but one is not necessary for the other

>>7748240
sexual arousal*

T.T Grammar
>>7748236
>>7748236
>>7748236

See ----->>7748240

>>7748240
>but you don't experience dysphoria outside of being horny.
No, AGPs can feel dysphoria. Some do and are trans, some don't and are cis, some are more mixed, some change over time.

>>7748240
'agp is a myth' trans women are more often those who fit the agp profile but don't want to admit the implications of that, and have fallen for the meme that blanchardianism and blanchard-adjacent philosophies inherently misgender a*ps

>>7748254
>but don't want to admit the implications of that
Which implications?

>>7748258
>>7748254
Talking out of his ass, don't worry about it

>>7748258
essentially, blanchardianism (and a lot of trans etiology theories in general -- typologies long predate hsts/agp, although they usually describe about the same thing) dismisses the idea of an 'innate gender identity' or an atomic 'trans identity' and does not accept the idea that 'innate gender identity' is why people feel dysphoria and transition. instead, a strong interior sense of gender identity is considered an acquired thing, usually the result of long-term a*p fantasy. this is backed up by the fact that not many cis people have extremely strong gender identities in the way you see in many trans people, and even hsts trans people don't often come to transition while having strong gender identities, though they may acquire them. only a*ps consistently develop strong gender identities when they decide to transition. (this also makes things like discussing 'cis' and 'trans' agps weird, in that a lot of 'cis' agps will later become 'trans' ones)
considering agp a thing means admitting that 'innate gender identity' isn't an accurate description of the cause of transsexualism, and specifically for many of the people involved that they developed their gender identity through their sexuality -- something stigmatized in most-to-all cultures.

>>7748277
Seems like crappy social science to me, thanks.

>>7748214
>due to feminist upbringing that made me conclude all women are constantly suicidal about having female bodies
The FtM version of >>7722146
I didn't know that happened.

>until my mum directly asks if i'm trans
How could she tell?

>>7748277
Wow, so did you make this up yourself or did it just crawl out of some scumhole along with you?

>>7748330
>I didn't know that happened
not only does it happen, there's much more evidence to support it being true than the inverse
>How could she tell?
because i was both blatantly gender non-conforming and blatantly depressed

>>7748330
>>7748340
*citations needed*

Stop spouting BS, if you can't support your claim. It's a shitty hypothesis.

You need extrordinary evidence for extrordinary claims.

Pony up, and provide it or fuck off.

>>7748330
That's literally the inverse of Penis Envy.

Penis envy was bullshit when Freud proposed it, yours is even more bullshit.

>>7748277
>this is backed up by the fact that not many cis people have extremely strong gender identities in the way you see in many trans people,
Then what about cases like David Reimer?

>and even hsts trans people don't often come to transition while having strong gender identities,
Can you describe this?

>only a*ps consistently develop strong gender identities when they decide to transition.
Why is that?

>something stigmatized in most-to-all cultures.
Here is a poster admitting they put gender politics ahead of the facts >>7745762 >>7745806

>>7748340
>there's much more evidence to support it being true than the inverse
What is the evidence? Why would that be?

How were you non-conforming?

>>7748354
Freud's penis envy was physical. The MtF version at least is significantly about gender roles. From the archived thread, see >>7723010

All about what's socially acceptable, not the physical fact of a penis.

I imagine it's similar for FtMs.

>>7748371
It's funny how they argue that it's innate, then they argue it's not when it is convinient.

It's either one or the other, it can't be both

>>7748400
When do trans people argue it's not? Tumblr?

>>7748371
>Then what about cases like David Reimer?
there's one thing worth noting in reimer-type cases -- they're always strongly gender-non-conforming from the beginning. that contradicts the a*p narrative of an innate gender identity in the absence of anything visible to support it. at any rate, part of the issue here is the difference in how people define 'identity' -- it's accepted fact that the brain is a mildly sexually dimorphic organ, and that some cases of transsexualism are caused by this sexual dimorphism. this is the situation seen in reimer and in other children reassigned in infancy due to cloacal exstrophy, micropenis, cais, etc -- situations where you can be as close to 100% confident as possible that the neurological and natal sex will be in accordance. some people with that history will later develop cross-sex gender identities, but some will instead live as extremely gender-non-conforming members of their natal sex. the cloacal exstrophy studies, for instance, found that roughly half the group transitioned back to male and the other half continued living as female. wonder how transsexualism research and treatment would have played out if david reimer decided to suck it up...
>Can you describe this?
some hstses will have strong gender identities by the time they transition (this is the general setup of prepubertal transitioners), but some will have severe dysphoria but not a particularly strong sense that their gender is cross-sex (i was in this situation, and fell into the nonbinary trap for a while because i assumed if i didn't 'feel like' a guy i couldn't be one -- i see this routinely). it's not entirely inaccurate to describe young hsts people as much like young unassigned intersex people in that their 'psychological sexual dimorphism' doesn't fully develop until adolescence/early adulthood.
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>>7746833
>So which did you self-insert as? I remember liking the redhead most, but I don't think if I self-inserted.
I don't remember if I self-inserted or not, but Sam (the redhead) was my favorite.

>>7748408
On Tumblr, they don't argue it's not, they assert it and defend their assertions with a lot of aggression and a dearth of reasoning.

>>7748371
>>7748410
i also think the degree to which any given hsts person has a strong gender identity when they transition depends on exactly how gnc they were in childhood, but most research on the topic is directed at the population who were the most gnc in childhood and kind of forgets that some hstses were non-conforming but didn't really kick it up until the beginning of adolescence.
>Why is that?
hypothesis here is that a*p results in the formation of that gender identity by way of causing the development of a cross-sex alter ego of sorts that eventually becomes the *main* ego. having seen it play out multiple times in person, this sounds about right.
>Here is a poster admitting they put gender politics ahead of the facts
oh, i don't need that confession to have watched it
i came out five years ago, i've seen some shit
>>7748393
>What is the evidence?
throughout history, the idea of women wanting to become men and achieve their social position has been pretty common -- a subset of natal females have always presented as the 'exception to the rule' and had a sort of personality most often seen in men, and these people have been 'dealt with' various ways throughout history, not many of them good. this is the reason why terfs are as freaked out as they are by young trans guys transitioning -- they see it as the most recent attempt to medicalize and treat female gender-non-conformity, an updated version of lobotomies and conversion therapy. it's not a coincidence that a decent number of terfs *are* the atypical women who wish, sometimes alongside things-that-could-be-called-dysphoria, to be men. they know that in a different circumstance they would live as men, and some of them already have.
>Why would that be?
ask a feminist, i stopped being one a long time ago
>How were you non-conforming?
i was pretty much a typical stone butch, who in this day and age become men rather than sticking it out as lesbians who never want anyone to acknowledge their genitals ever

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>>7748410
>>7748438
I know a """""""""""""""""""""""""scientific""""""""""""""""""""""""" field just for you!

>>7748410
>there's one thing worth noting in reimer-type cases -- they're always strongly gender-non-conforming from the beginning. that contradicts the a*p narrative of an innate gender identity in the absence of anything visible to support it.
It's consistent with the idea of HSTS innate gender identity, and that therefore they are trutrans while AGP is a fetish.

>wonder how transsexualism research and treatment would have played out if david reimer decided to suck it up...
I think the exact same. Some of these people live as GNC members of the sex assigned to them (not their natal sex), but they are forgotten and Reimer is held up as proof of HSTS innate gender identity.

>but some will have severe dysphoria but not a particularly strong sense that their gender is cross-sex (i was in this situation, and fell into the nonbinary trap for a while because i assumed if i didn't 'feel like' a guy i couldn't be one -- i see this routinely).
What do you think causes some of them to experience dysphoria without a cross-sex identity and others to have both?

What is the difference? "Feel like" is vague.

>it's not entirely inaccurate to describe young hsts people as much like young unassigned intersex people in that their 'psychological sexual dimorphism' doesn't fully develop until adolescence/early adulthood.
What is the lack of psychological sexual dimorphism in unassigned intersex people like? What do they act and think like prior to developing it?

>>7748514
I hope you guys realize what an Echo Chamber this is, go talk to an evolutionary psychologist, they'll poke so many holes in those shitty theories.

You really can't develop good science in Echo chambers with confirmation bias. It's why sociology is soo shit.

>>7748432
Tumblr doesn't mean much. The innate identity is the mainstream belief.

>>7748528
Most of /lgbt/ believes innate gender identity?

>>7748534
Doesn't really matter, non of you have neither the data nor the qualifications to argue or discuss the point.

With hairbrained theories and internet arguments, it's usually the person who uses more thesaurus is the person who "wins" the argument.

Sociology has put out way too much shitty "science" I just wouldn't want even more shitty contributions.

>>7748541
How many of >>7748347 >>7748354 >>7748496 are you?

What is your view on trans science?

>>7748438
>i also think the degree to which any given hsts person has a strong gender identity when they transition depends on exactly how gnc they were in childhood
Why would that be? I would have thought things like how much they were allowed to be GNC and how much stigma they got for it would be main factors, and how much they associated that stigma with gender roles.

>a*p alter ego
Can you expend on this? The implications of it, different ways it can progress, how it manifests?

>oh, i don't need that confession to have watched it
>i came out five years ago, i've seen some shit
Can you give some examples?

>a subset of natal females have always presented as the 'exception to the rule' and had a sort of personality most often seen in men
Women disguising themselves as men and joining the army is an obvious example. What are others?

>they see it as the most recent attempt to medicalize and treat female gender-non-conformity, an updated version of lobotomies and conversion therapy.
I think there is some truth in that. It's not an attempt stop non-conformity but it is a way to fit it into what is socially acceptable, for FtMs and MtFs.

>who wish, sometimes alongside things-that-could-be-called-dysphoria, to be men.
Can you describe examples of them wanting to be men and having something like dysphoria?

>rather than sticking it out as lesbians who never want anyone to acknowledge their genitals ever
What does genital dysphoria correlate with?

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>>7748551
It is just a bunch of "armchair" scientists as in people who don't have any scientific degree, don't understand what the scientific method is, spitting out unconfirmed hypothesis.

Person A, submits a hypothesis, Person B, confirms Person As bias without challenging, Person A expands on his hairbrained theory, etc etc.

If you state a wild hypothesis you need to provide some kind of statistics or evidence which lead you to said hypothesis, and you need to explain how you came to this conclussion, so that people can either test your theory or refute it.

Look at pic related.

What do "armchair" scientists do

Ask a Question -> No background research -> Create hypothesis (You need to do background research before jumping to a conclussion, this is mistake 1.) -> Endlessly confirm your bias in an echo chamber with other "armchair" scientists without actually doing science.

In short whenever someone starts making grandeur claims, they need to back their shit up, especially if it is not already established science.

What you guys are talking is a perfectly valid question to ask, but you guys jumped through all the hoops straight to a conclussion, without actually doing the science, it's already bad enough that you asked a question with a hypothesis in mind, but you didn't even try sourcing or confirming your claims.

>>7749144
TLDR: This isn't actual science, don't jump to conclusions and make hypothesis you can't support.

>>7749144
>>7749150
What do you consider to be background research and jumping to a conclusion?

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>>7749158
Ehmm because you totally skipped the actually research and "science" part?

Here is another similar chart, maybe you'll get it second time around

>>7749163
What? Can you please just define your terms?

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>>7749163
Armchair Scientist:

A person who will lean back in their proverbial armchair and thoughtfully pontificate about topics they know essentially nothing about yet will attempt to position themselves has having expertise in the topic. By their conviction alone, they convince themselves they are correct, and ignore any criticisms or corrections by those who have a clue they're talking about. The hallmarks of the Armchair Scientist are generally:

• Someone without an applicable formal background for their strong opinion on a topic

• Someone who's never been involved in any research involving the topic they're commenting on

• Someone who makes claims for which there's little or no science to support it, and or is unable to supply the data to support a position yet claims it's "well established" or uses other misleading terminology .

• Someone who demonstrates their ignorance of the topic by failing to understand even the basic essential concept that the burden of proof is on he who makes the claim(s)

This applies perfectly, anons in this thread fit every descriptor to a T.

>>7749167

See ---> >>7749171

If this doesn't get it through your skull, you aren't a very bright fellow

>>7748410
>>7748438
>>7748514
>>7748568


---> >>7749171

>>7749183
---> >>7749158

>>7749209
You are literally a moron.

Here in simplistic terms

Jumping to conclusions: The act of skipping the "science" in doing science

>>7749215
You're choosing not to try to change anyone's mind.

>>7747203
In between the copious alcohol and fights, that was how my father was, except I was an only child. Best move of my life was abandoning him.

>>7749310
I don't quite see the point, when said person doesn't understand basic scientific principles.

I'm not even arguing against his point, I'm just pointing out that she/he hasn't done any research to confirm their hypothesis, and until said research is done, anything said holds zero weight

>>7748541
Is there any evidence at all against Blanchard?

>>7749665
Is there any evidence FOR it?

The burden of proof is on you. You need to provide evidence for me to refute it in the first place, you clearly don't understand how this "Science" thing works.

>>7749669
Just asking. It's fine that the answer is no. I just wanted to know.

>>7746809
you'd still have agp
you really think a cartoon actually caused it?

>>7749665
Yeah.

The main evidence is that none of these supposed sexually-motivated types loses their fascination when you castrate them.

>>7749683
You clearly don't understand how the burden of proof works.

>>7745976
>>7746035
>>7746111
>>7746262
Stop blaming your fetish on pop culture. Yes it is a means to manipulate people, but ultimately it is your weak mind that was susceptible to these unrealistic depictions of reality.

>>7745976
Jesup Christ op
Thanks for posting that and dredging up some memories
When I was a fat kid I saw this on TV and it made me cry, a lot. I didn't like how relatable it felt except nobody was saving me.

Oh well, took care of it in the end but I wasn't watching knd to get blasted with feelings

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This episode of fairlyoddparents was the first experience of wanting to be a girl I remember

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>>7750100
Shitty cartoon

>>7750027
Pic related was very uncomfrotable to watch for me

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>>7750114
Also pic related.

Fuck, maybe I've been fucked in the head since forever.

>>7750114
>>7746908
>>7746262
>>7745976

I'm sure I could find more, holy fucking hell. FML

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>>7750117
Really happy, nobody IRL will ever get to see this shit.

Yep, themore I think about it the more of this shit there is and it's been going on longer than I've imagine, way before masturbation.

Also Ranma

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>>7750135
Also this, pretty sure I might have had a fap to this when I was 12, when it came out.

Was super shitty and uninteresting though, even at the time, just super arousing.

Cheeky Angel, I'll fuck off clearly I need professional help

>>7749744
>The main evidence is that none of these supposed sexually-motivated types loses their fascination when you castrate them.
But AGP does usually fade away with transition?

>>7746262
>>7749998
but anon that show has the been the cause of countless fetishes on this site

>>7748254
AGP is a meme made to support the (false) idea that we're "sexual degenerates"

>>7752733
>AGP is a meme
[citation needed]

>>7753164
Prove that AGP is not a meme.

>>7752664
Having a hard time seeing how living fulltime as a G makes you no longer AGP?

>>7746262
ey nigga i fetishized this shit outta this show. I actually had a folder full of their images.

I also had a sailor moon screensaver with every sailor moon character, and i remember at one time i used a Tokyo Mew Mew wallpaper as well on my PC.

I remember fetishizing also the readhead from Scooby Doo as well as her outfit, as well as the other redhead from Teen Titans.

Another thing that triggered my AGP was when Timmy Turner was forced to dress like a girl for a day.

>>7753173
It does though. This is well-documented.

>>7753173
>>7754087
The hell are you talking about?

Fetishes gets stronger the longer you don't fullfill them.

If thia AGP crap is to be taken as seriously as other fetishes, then yeah, it'll fade.

Too bad that it won't fade enough so all of you kill yourselves and stop dragging transwomen's reputations in the mud.

>>7747012
is there a correlation between mtfs / agp and feederism?

>>7758643
>Fetishes gets stronger the longer you don't fullfill them.
>If thia AGP crap is to be taken as seriously as other fetishes, then yeah, it'll fade.
That is a contradiction

>>7759547
Fade with transition is what I think they meant to say

>>7759553
This.

>>7745976
>What triggered your AGP?
Being trans

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I was always somewhat feminine, even as a boy. People occasionally teased me for my mannerisms, like the way I sat and stood. I wanted to just be a feminine or androgynous guy (like pic related cause I couldn't tell the difference). I started wondering what it would be like to be a girl with a dick.

As puberty came around, I retained my slight and fairly feminine frame, with soft pale skin and a soft face. My voice never really deepened as much as other guys' did. I also first saw trap and futa porn, and I knew that's what I wanted to be. I wanted to pretty much be a trap version of Motoko Kusanagi.

Denying it for so long probably didn't help either.