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>>7710522
Boop

This entire board is just shitposting

Anyone with a half a brain knows that AGP is bullshit trolling

Anyone with a full brain will never waste time on this board

>>7710664 tru
I spend hours here everyday and am a miserable husk. This anon knows whats up

>>7710664
Agp is real u autist AGP

>>7710522
if cis lesbians can be agp, how come i mtf am agp but into guys?

>>7710664
>Not trans
>Not gay
>Attracted to men only when I put on female clothing
>Attracted to women normally

What else would you call this mental illness?

>>7710740
>>Not trans
>>Attracted to men only when I put on female clothing
HAHAHA
Good luck with that babe!

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>>7710522
Actually, the only reason lesbians are AGP is because they are psychologically male, like AGP trannies. This is also why they act like males in other areas of life, pic related.

>>7710816
>kinda hate men despite being into them cause they act awful
>lesbians act the same

Just kill me senpai. I want to marry a straight girl with a really low sex drive or something, why do women only get to date violent perverted weirdos?

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>>7710730

because cis straight girls are ALSO ""'agp'" " in the same way that you are ""'agp'"" insofar as the idea of being seen to be feminine and pretty and desirable and then fucked raw by a big strong guy is sexually satisfying to you.

for fucks sake I'm a cis bi guy and even I admire myself sometimes when I'm having sex with a girl, it's just the same shit but in reverse. it's like "fuck yeah look at me fucking this girl, damn I'm so masculine and manly. this is satisfying. damn I'm good" is that AAP??? because apparently if I was a ftm and felt that way that would be aap according to the retards of this board

truth is that agp doesn't actually describe any meaningful specific pattern of human thought. agp is a meme, of meme psychology, spread and perpetuated by memesters. and >>7710664 was right

>>7710740

you are bi and you have a really weird specific kink. deal with it, or don't. live a long and fulfilling life without ever touching a man in a sexual context if you so please

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>that agp tranny crashing the comments

Why are trannies such attention whores?

>>7710856
Then explain all the observations of erotic target identity inversion, in particular:

* There is a huge overlap between people with an amputee fetish and people with Body Integrity Identity Disorder.

* There is a huge overlap between pedophiles and people who have a fetish for being kids. This fetish does not arise from a desire to be a person for whom sexually playing with kids is more socially acceptable, as the people with this fetish tend to wish to be kids of the gender they are attracted to, rather than the one they are currently.

* Similarly to the above, we see a huge overlap in the men who are into trannies and the men who have AGP.

This is not normal! 90% of straight men don't get turned on at all by the idea of being a woman. Paraphilias and only paraphilias are associated with erotic target identity inversion.

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>>7710901
>his is not normal! 90% of straight men don't get turned on at all by the idea of being a woman.
Implying fags have any knowledge of what is 'normal'.
t.AGP'er

>>7710856
>you are ""'agp'"" insofar as the idea of being seen to be feminine and pretty and desirable and then fucked raw by a big strong guy is sexually satisfying to you.
there doesn't need to be sex. just being totally feminine and pretty and submissive is enough. cis girls get sexually satisfied by sex.

>for fucks sake I'm a cis bi guy and even I admire myself sometimes when I'm having sex with a girl,
>when I'm having sex with a girl,
if it was aap you'd feel that way without having sex. and it wouldn't just be admiring yourself, it would be getting aroused by yourself the same way you get aroused by seeing someone hot.

>>7710870
there's six different trannies in that thread and they are the majority of those with flags. most no flag posters could be trans too, including the op.

>>7710522
Apparently she has a selfie on her account.

why am i such a degenerate

>>7711172
She's really attractive desu

>>7710870
>>7710941
I checked the post history of one of the posters without a trans flag and she was trans.

More like /r/actualtransbians

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>>7711186
Of course she is, she's female...

>>7710901
>Similarly to the above, we see a huge overlap in the men who are into trannies and the men who have AGP.
but if agp is equivalent to the other two, wouldn't we see the opposite, males with agp being into cis girls because agp is a paraphilis for being a cis girl, not a trans girl?

>>7711214
Most women aren't that attractive desu. I'd only call maybe 25% of women pretty.

>>7711224
Incidentally, the men who are into trannies tend to not have genital dysphoria. So it's like autotrannyphilia, except of course the men who are into trannies are into actually feminine trannies, and so wish to become actually feminine trannies, rather than the more common kind.

>>7711230
Women have been carefully shaped by evolution to be super attractive. Men have been carefully shaped by evolution to be Hulkified Resident Evil'd Dead Space'd mutated abominations because that is useful for things like fighting.

>>7711231
so atp is what >>7710901 applies to, not agp.

what about agps who don't have genital dysphoria but still want to be cis girls?

>>7711237
This much is true.
I feel like a child when I wear even small mens clothes or when standing with a man, they are all fucking giant and weird looking. It's a shame nature made half of people abominations like that.

>>7711244
>ATP
[biology class flashbacks intensify]

>>7711244
There's not exactly a paraphilia that is based around being attracted to women (except lesbianism, I guess, but OP has already illustrated how that leads to AGP), so we shouldn't expect something to mirror ATP for those who still want to be cis girls. They just have ordinary AGP, often combined with other ETII's (e.g. ridiculously many people with BIID are also trannies).

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>>7711251
desu I wish I could claim credit for that summary, but I just stole it...

>>7711237
>>7711251
>>7711284
misandrist but kinda hot

>>7711284
Doesn't matter, I still agree with the sentiment. That post makes me so glad I transitioned before T destroyed me. At least I know no matter how bad things get, I'll be like a prepubescent boy at the very worst.

>>7711294
How is that hot?

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>>7711295
>transitioned before T destroyed me.

>>7711318
What is this pic conveying?

>>7710522
Thats a tranny sub reddit though full of transbians and not actual lesbians.

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>>7711321

>>7711356
Oh, you are a jealous hon. Sorry senpai, no one deserves the hell that is being male bodied.

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>>7711318
>>7711356
8 not that hard

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>>7710816
LOL saving this to piss off TERFy dykes

>>7711321
>he's never heard of the commit sudoku meme

>women derive sexual satisfaction from being treated like women
wowie WHO wouldve guessed

>>7710522
Wait, what the fuck? Me liking my body, thinking that I'm sexy and wanting to eat pussy means that I have autogynewhatever?

God forbid if I have some self esteem and love women. Reading this AGP thing was a waste of time.

>>7710522
1. the vast majority of /r/actuallesbians posters are transbians, which is why /r/reallesbians exists for cisbians
2. if 100% of cis women experienced straight up 'jacking off in stolen panties' agp, that would mean much less for the typology than you think
if you had read blanchard's work, for instance, you would notice that 'autogynephile' is never used as a descriptive term for the second category

>>7712029
>'jacking off in stolen panties' agp
This is AGP?!

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT THREAD HAVE I BEEN LIED TO AM I TRUTRANS AFTER ALL???

>>7711347
proof pls

>>7713429
>ten posters have flags
>six of those are trans flags
>out of a sample of two with other flags, one has trans in their post history
do the math

at least one mod is trans too.

>>7713448
There are way more than ten posters in that thread. Honestly if just half of them were cis the point would still stand.

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>>7711209
that whole sub is 99 percent transbians and it honestly weirds me out, i guess terfs have a point when it comes to trannies taking over lesbian culture

>>7713448
The last survey showed only like 25% were trans.

>>7713479
>i guess terfs have a point when it comes to trannies taking over lesbian culture
They can't talk, considering feminism's history of hijacking other causes like Civil Rights and LGBT and demanding entry into any male space.

>>7710901
ETLEs are kind of a stretch. They are an interesting guess but there is no experimental proof that shows Apotemnophiliacs are of the same category as Autogynephiles, or that an autogynephile transsexual is of a fundamentally different type from a non-autogynephile transsexual. The closest we've come is one study in Zucker's paper which found that androphilic MtFs had a feminized brain structure pre-transition while the same did not hold true for non-androphilic MtFs. Quite a few people dispute it though.

>>7710901
>>7713513
With that said, prior to reading that thread, I was with you on the "normative cis women do not experience the same kind of sexual fantasies as autogynephiles" front. See:
>>7657290

I'm struggling to make sense of that position now. Maybe lesbians are different because they're attracted to their own sex? No idea.

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>>7711284
>adult women are preteen boys
That's what the white pedophile race thinks. However, a woman is much more than a trap. Lack of testosterone doesn't make person a woman, it only makes her a physically undeveloped child. You can tell a TRUE adult woman by her being THE OPPOSITE of a preteen boy.

>testosterone is virus
Your logic is circular and therefore faulty. "Testosterone makes women adult. I'm attracted to immature persons, therefore testosterone is bad. Because testosterone is bad, women are immature." All that you (and the screenshot anon) have done is you've discovered your pedophilia (sexual attraction to physical immaturity) and disguised it as gynephilia by defining children as women.

>>7713660
Most women don't have intense curves like that.

>>7713667
Most "women" are not women. Our culture doesn't let them grow up.

>>7713718
I'm pretty sure culture isn't the thing that prevents most women from growing extreme curves like that, lol
Most women are just fatty soft boys desu, most don't have the porn star curves that people around here seem to think is the norm

>>7713736
By choice and by natural selection.
Therefore it's the culture.

>>7713747
>by cultural selection.*

>>7713513
>>7713530
AGP theory only makes sense in the large context of ETLE's, otherwise it's too easy to invent other explanations, as people do in this thread.

>>7713753
That's exactly it though - the connection of ETLEs to AGP has not been shown to exist with any kind of rigor. It is as much of a guess as the other explanations you deride.

If you have several possible explanations but don't know which one is correct then the most rigorous answer is "I don't know".

>>7713736
Personally, I'm not interested in women who don't have extreme curves.

If I wanted to fuck a teenage boy, I'd fuck a teenage boy.

>>7713776
A healthy man!*
In 4chan!
Wow.

*) Or healthy lesbian.

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>>7711558
Agreed. I'm a bi cis girl and sometimes fapsturbate to how sexy I look. It's kinda narcissistic, but I do look hot in lingère.

So I guess agp is fine but only if it's because youre literally sexually attracted to yourself

>>7713844
>So I guess agp is fine but only if it's because youre literally sexually attracted to yourself
What's the alternative? Repressed AGPs just imagine the kind of body they'd like to have.

>>7710816
Source paper?

>>7713753
but if etles are true then explain gay guys with agp?

>>7713844
>I'm a bi cis girl and sometimes fapsturbate to how sexy I look. It's kinda narcissistic, but I do look hot in lingère.
exactly me if i was cis and hot.

>>7710816
>it's easier to call lesbians male than admit AGP doesn't make a tranny less of a woman
You guys are cracking me up.

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>>7713884
Lesbians aren't male, they're *psychologically* male. There's a big difference, otherwise HSTS and gay men would be female.

>>7713770
The writing is on the wall. AGP looks exactly like other ETII's, and it leads to similar results as them.

>>7713933
I have no idea what pic is saying.

Why are there two terms for ETLE/ETII?

>>7713844
>I'm a bi cis girl and sometimes fapsturbate to how sexy I look.
As a cis man with AGP, you have my full sympathy for this. You can even friendzone me because I think it's good to have sexy and healthy friends. What you do is very healthy and we could help each other be sexy.

>>7713933
>The writing is on the wall. AGP looks exactly like other ETII's, and it leads to similar results as them.
Crossposting: Attraction to amputees or transsexuals can manifest without the wish to become them, and the wish to become either can manifest without attraction to such individuals. How do you know that attraction-to-the-thing-you-wish-to-be is a result of wanting to be what you're sexually attracted to and not the other way around, a disorder that causes you to be sexually attracted to what you wish to be? The latter even has explanatory power when it comes to cis homosexuality - gay individuals wish to be men and, suffering from this disorder, are consequently attracted to men.

The consistent mistake Blanchard makes, again and again, is that if A and B often show up in tandem then it is reasonable to say A causes B, without considering the possibility that B might cause A, or that hidden cause C is behind both A and B. This is not proper science. You can't proclaim something as a fact or even a theory if it is just a hypothesis.

I cis everyone so hard!

I wanna be cissed.

>>7713975
But then why are so many people with BIID also trannies? Shouldn't they be gay instead?

>>7714047
I think clustering is a sensible answer. Once someone is neuroatypical in one way they're exponentially more likely to be neuroatypical in others. It makes sense for related atypicalities (or disorders if you're less kind) to appear together more often.

Mind, I'm not saying this is a fact. I don't want to repeat Blanchard's mistake. The truth is that I don't know for sure and that this is the hypothesis that seems to be the most consistent with the data.

http://kimanami.com/vaginal-kung-fu/
>Most women have numb, under-functioning vaginas.
>Can you shoot ping pong balls with your vagina?

>>7714140
What does this have to do with ANYTHING here?

Cis women do not experience AGP. You will be happier if you forget this nonsense.

>>7714476
>Everyone in that thread are secret transbians

>>7714272
1. The citation confirms that most women are asexual, so female AGPs must be even more rare.
2. Vaginal kungfu seems like the kind of thing female AGPs would do.

>>7711316
you don't want a mutant hulk abomination bf to make you feel small and feminine?

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>>7722687
it can't work because small is unfeminine.

"a mutant hulk abomination bf" is just a very long way of saying "a woman".

>>7710941
>>7711186
>>7711347
>>7712029
etc
It doesn't matter. My cis lesbian roommate is the same way, gets off on her own huge tits. You people are pathetic.

>>7710856
>apparently if I was a ftm and felt that way that would be aap according to the retards of this board

Correct. Any form of autoerotic attraction is "A*P" to these idiots, and even if you were an FtM and pointed out that it's NOT transvestic for you, someone would find an excuse to tell you you're AAP anyway. Literally happened to some trans girl on a thread that's still up on the catalog.

>>7710901
>all these examples of "erotic target identity inversion"
>failing to grasp that this suggests autoerotic fantasy is so universal that even pedos have it and it's not some weird fetish

Why are people on this board such idiots?!

God, fuck this board. At one point, I was considering making a thread asking people how drugs affect your sexuality, since I have found any drug that spikes my libido (previously some psychostimulants and now T) seems to shift my orientation more to girls from guys (which disappears again with no drugs, although now I'm always going to be on T, so I guess it's permanent?), but now I don't want to.

Because the second I do, the thread is going to be NOTHING BUT Blanchardscum "explaining" this by calling me AAP, even though I otherwise fit ZERO of the supposed profile (no transvestism, never behaved like a natal female, came out as a pre-adolescent, etc.). No, someone is going to find some convoluted explanation for my being AAP anyway. Because trans sexuality can never, ever be the analog of cis sexuality. It always, always has to be pathologized.

I'm really getting to fucking hate this board. I came here because I wanted to post somewhere where I wouldn't get auto-vanned for being conservative, but I'm feeling like it's not worth it now. I'm sick to death of hearing about this Blanchard crap.

You people are the absolute cancer of this board, and you all need to an hero.

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It isn't clear to me what points you two are trying to makem so I risk making a fool of myself by missing the point... but here are my immediate thoughts from reading your posts.

>>7710901
>This is not normal!
Good things are not normal.

>90% of straight men don't get turned on at all by the idea of being a woman.
These same men are also low-key sadists. This is normal... but is it right?

Only an idiot would regard contemporary population as a shining beacon of perfection. Even though that's what the entire modern medical profession does.

Sanity is defined by logic, not by a democratic choice or a sample population. Wanting to be something that you find unattractive is objectively insane. A philia (such as male attraction to women) without an accompanying autophilia is nothing more than a symptom of repressed sexuality.

>Paraphilias and only paraphilias are associated with erotic target identity inversion.
Is gynephilia a paraphilia?

>>7710856
>truth is that agp doesn't actually describe any meaningful specific pattern of human thought.
It's like saying that "artistic sensibility" is a misconception because everyone is capable of registering beauty to a lesser or greater degree.

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>>7710870
Male entitlement

>>7727857
kek

>>7727140
Pro tip: you made your bed by being a conservative. This is the true face of your people.

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>>7710816
> tfw no nice and likeable dyke who would get off from beating me up