Should transwomen be allowed to be feminists? Is 'transplaining'

>>7621226
Feminism is cancer to society.

>>7621226
Why get involved in a movement that hates your existence

Their hatred for everyone not exactly like them lead to their decline and near irrelevance

>>7621226

On the one hand, male upbringing means mostly missed the developmental biases against women from some parts of society.

On the other, going from a place of male privileges and disprivileges to a place of female privileges and disprivileges is a semi unique perspective which could be valuable.
That relies on them passing ofc

>>7621226
Passing trans women have a better perspective in gender relations than any cis woman will ever have. How can cis women claim the upper hand in understanding gender when they've only experienced one ?

>>7622468
trans women are incapable of experiencing sex based oppression, and you don't have read well to "understand gender" lol

No true transwoman is a feminist. The only "trans" girls who are feminists are just transbians looking to get cis SJW pussy.

Only ftms become actual feminists.

>>7622594
You tripfags disgust me.

>>7622554
>>7621565

Your idea of oppression is crying foul over your own lack of work ethics and poor choices in life.

Girls bully girls who act too boyish and are too good in math and deliberately keep them from studying stem.

Then there's a massive pay gap because women refuse to study stem and attack women who do, and therefore you shame stem more and strip all the tallent and ambition.

Your redistribution ideas are toxic, you've emslaved women by vilifying work ethic and tallent and harassing talented girls who would've gone and studies and unglamorous field like engineering.

Your toxic socialisation pushes a helpless victim mentality on girls and attacks any who don't conform and show strength. You've oppressed and broken the spirits of your own.

>>7622648
You make women slaves with your toxic socialisation and victim narrative. You've used your version of feminism to encourage helplessness and demand handouts rather than encourage strength and ambition

>>7622554
You're an idiot.

>>7622856
And you're a misogynist.

>>7622856
>women don't study stem

You haven't been inside a college classroom in the past decade have you. There's loads of women studying chemistry, biology, physics, and all the specializations within those fields. Why are you using strange arguments from 30 years ago?

>>7622875
You're a misogynist and your plan from >>7622554 is crying over why psychology doesn't get paid as much as engining after you spent all your time as a kid and then later bullying other girls for liking ugly unfemminine things like stem.

You leached out all the strength in your own by stigmatizing talent and then you demand redistribution that would turn everyone into some helpless slave dependent on handouts.

Your toxic socialisation ruined everyone who didn't play the helpless princess role and now fosters helpless. It's so severe that to get girls into programming now they have to make the classes about makeup and stuff.


People will never reach their true talents until you fix the toxic socialization women had and that you force on others.

>>7622914
Not counting bio they make less than 1/4 of stem, get even more uncommon at graduate levels.

Part of the barrier is stigma from other women, civil engineering makes one gross and unfemminine.

That's why psych and sociology still have most women.

>>7622648
Why, exactly? Do you have any disagreements with my post that's worth mentioning or are you just retarded?

>>7622856
>>7622864
>>7622942
Jesus christ, just go back to whining on Reddit already. Why is STEM valued over all other fields? What if I don't want to take STEM? Get lost.

>>7622992
Then don't complain about why you get paid less. And your negative attitudes hurt girls with talent in that and encourage helplessness.

Your sex based oppression was little more than your and other women brainwashing helplessness and stigmatizing talent and ambition in your own.

You need to look at yourself and fix your self made dystopia.

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>>7622468
>Passing trans women have a better perspective in gender relations than any cis woman will ever have.
>implying trannies don't see everything regarding womanhood in their rose tinted glasses
>implying getting catcalled and harassed is anything except more validation for them

>>7621298
>implying liberal feminism isn't supposed to be all about intersectionality and expected to accommodate everyone and their mentally ill cousins

>>7622967
Where are you getting this information. I do not see this in reality.

>>7623026
Inbred pol opinions matter, why?

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>>7623026
>implying getting catcalled and harassed is anything except more validation for them

G-Get lost shitlord, I feel like shit every time I get catcalled, I swear!

>>7623043
Look up labor and graduate stats

Even freshman stats, seems like females studying compsci is stigmatized by other women. People get self concious and don't take.

>>7623050
>pol opinions
The fuck? If there's one thing /pol/ fervently agrees with trannies it's female privilege.

>>7623103
Not really, they makep most of the people with your ideology nowadays. Just look at how redditGC is half men from Brietbart

Guess they'd rather have you as angry helpless puppets to lash out at their targets

>>7623120
>they makep most of the people with your ideology nowadays
When's nowadays? Because just two weeks ago they were still saying giving women the vote was a mistake.

>>7623061
Get molested on a train or followed for blocks before you dodge into a busy bar. Have a guy stand next to you at work and start describing your "juicy puss". Have people purposely rub against your ass all the time or "accidentally" elbow your tit.

It's frustrating as fuck and obnoxious. Sometimes it's scary. I don't even consider myself that attractive. I can only imagine what beautiful women go through.

>>7623146
I do go through that stuff, asshole. Don't assume someone else's experience. I was just shitposting before but now I'm actually starting to get depressed, I go through all this shit and people like you still claim to have some deeper knowledge, how many times do I need to have guys touch me without my consent before I'm a "real woman"? This is so fucked up.

>>7623126
Look at your own sites, they even are open about it and its accepted. That's exactly why I can't understand how you'd think letting pol and Brietbart make half of you is good.

>>7623175
I honestly have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about

>>7623062
A lot of the information is from the 80s and the more recent stuff shows good growth. Comp Sci is different, but there's a good amount of women in IT jobs. Hell, my mom runs IT in all of the Americas for a massive company. She had to fight tooth and nail to get it though and she's never off the clock.

I did see the "leaky pipe" in school. Especially in math classes. But in college, in my experience, the women who went on to calculus were some of the top performers in the classes. Same in chemistry. They weren't "Stacys" but we're instead incredibly driven and serious about their studies. Maybe that's the type of woman that wouldn't get discouraged by a lack of a female social circle within the classroom. I did read a study that showed that once a field opens up to women, they'll swarm to fill the positions. That was interesting.

>>7623169
Wow, turn that projector off, miss. You could have chosen to relate to that post, but instead you curled up into yourself like a hedgehog pointing your spikes out at everyone.

You might have brain problems. That's some real victim mentality bs right there.

>>7623198
Basically, on places like r/gendercrit, many of the posters are actually alt-right men who just hate trannies for their own, more conventional reasons. Which is what that person means by "Breitbart types". TERFs tolerate it for whatever reason, it's kind of a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. Most TERFs typically end up sounding like conservatards anyway.

>>7623216
Anedotal, they had the 1/4 star in npr days back.

And there being many very talented people who could be perfect in their field is the point.

There's very few that go into it and when younger it's "Stacys" who bully people with those talents and make people conscious about going into that field. They then call stem evil and blame the wage gap on them, scaring even more.

The problem is largely the perception amongst women, toxic socialisation forced by other females is in the modern day the core of the stem problem.

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>>7623252
?

>>7623245
Victim mentality is funny coming from someone who calls sex based oppression the ambition stigmatizing, learned helplessness and handout demanding culture other women force on their own.

>>7623285
I don't know what that is, I meant r/gendercritical, if there's an even more closed group, then I don't know about that.

>>7623276
I don't see it. Your main point that it's women putting other women down. I don't know where you're coming up with that.

And anecdotal evidence can be used in this case, since you never clarified the scope. From the statistics, to my actual experience, there are more women in stem fields than ever. A major problem is that women are discouraged in math. Why not focus on that? All stem fields need a solid math base, but most undergrad women don't take enough math courses to qualify for stem majors.

>>7623285
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7025439/#7025439
Fyi seems open for anyone from Brietbart so long as they agree on trannies. They even admit it and start threads.


For instance some wh90k obsessed guy from pol stalked femgen for months, then started the thread. They cheered him.

Never mind the Femboys aren't trans and lots of femgen is actually GC, but they attacked the Femboys who said they wanted to help, claimed they were rapists.


So for all the talk about protecting feminine gays, they sure got treated worse than all the alt right they acept in their midst.

>>7623245
I did relate to that post, that's why I got pissed off by the insinuation that I couldn't relate. I have plenty of cis women IRL who I can complain about this stuff with, and I have plenty of cis women who have saved my drunk ass when stuff got hairy. So don't make it sound like I'm "failing to relate" either.

>>7623325
I don't see any alt-righters there.

>>7623367
>They even admit it and start threads.
Once again, fucking where?

>>7623345
Yeah but math is seen as unfemminine and therefore girls with talent suffer stigma, usually from other girls. It's toxic ideas about femenity that prolong this problem. People get told it makes them unfemminine.

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>>7623390
You only have to give the least of lip service and even if you were Milo they'd welcome you

>>7621242
This.

>>7623441
I kinda feel sorry for them. How must it feel to be this un-chill about everything, to clutch your pearls so hard?

And lol wtf is this? "Gay men seemed to represent the allfather (???) or the male aspect of god, without being predatory or a threat to women." How are men with penises somehow less dangerous than males who want desperately to remove their penises, and often do? This doesn't make sense.

>>7623441
Why don't you just link the fucking thread? It's obvious you made this just now.

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/search/image/D-zTrpAcegCw3h5nm24yaw/

>>7623479
because normal males with penises don't demand access to female only spaces.

>>7623495
It's a file from http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7034729/#7034766

IPhones reencode, don't be a paranoid nut

>>7623505
What is a "female-only space" that I would actually want to be involved in? I have no interest in joining a TERF group or going to music festivals that are dominated by them, so.... ???

>>7623505
No, the crowd you have just abuses without asking. They idolize sexual assault as bravado remember.

And for some reason you're more worried about castrated boys on hormones.

>>7623441
It really says more about you if a one line post from a self-confessed former antifeminist is the best proof you have. Got any more straws to grasp on?

>>7623529
>TERF group or going to music festivals that are dominated by them
Nice to see you having to make up shit that doesn't even exist instead of acknowledging the fact that so many university campuses are getting rid of sex segregated bathrooms and trannies being allowed into women's shelters.

>>7623530
>you're more worried about castrated boys on hormones.
[citation fucking needed]

But you're correct, males are on average pretty shit. There are some well adjusted decent ones and there are also the narcissistic, delusional and mentally ill ones. Guess which end you belong on.

>>7623563
You realize they all admit at some point to being men rping gc women.

And nobody turned university restrooms unisex.

And shelters taking taxpayer money should be for everyone. If you don't like it, go private and run your own. I suspect the new admin will probably force on everyone.

>>7623563
>Nice to see you having to make up shit that doesn't even exist

It definitely did exist, I don't know if it does anymore, now that "transgenderism" has become so visible and even people like Lierre Keith are called out for being shitty about this.

>the fact that so many university campuses are getting rid of sex segregated bathrooms

I don't know why they would do that, that sounds more like a genderqueer thing. I just use the women's bathroom like normal, I would feel uncomfortable to have men in the same bathroom as me. But in my experience, aren't most "genderneutral" bathrooms just single-stall? So that's not so bad.

>trannies being allowed into women's shelters.

Can't comment on this since I've never been to one, but I was recently homeless in Denver and I considered going to a shelter, before I realized it's probably just for DV.

But I'm definitely not going to a shelter with men, I get sexually harassed by 40-year-old dudes whenever I attempt and have to go to psychiatric, I can only imagine what would happen to me in a shelter with homeless men. You can't force me to go to a place where I'd be in danger.

>>7623616
No, you're letting Brietbart makep your movement when they actually like sex assault.

Think about it? Maybe it's their movement now?

>>7623650
I don't see why a shelter that only serves special intrests should get taxpayers money. Why give tax money to antilgbt.

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>>7623303
You tried to make a point but it reads like buzzword buzzword buzzword unrelated to the conversation. Try again?

Just so you know, I am a cis woman in a stem field.

>>7623377
No, you just used any opportunity to feel like you're being shat on and getting all pissy about it. Remember, your first post was
>G-Get lost shitlord, I feel like shit every time I get catcalled, I swear!
With an angry animu girl. The stuttering and other bs made it all read like sarcasm. Then when I replied with "try getting assaulted. It really is so much fun amirite?" You replied "Fug you how dare you judge me based off a shitpost! You asshole! I'm a real woman and I have real woman friends how dare you question me?"

Now do you see? It's like patting a chihuahua and then it goes rabid on your ass for no reason. It's like you were just looking for an excuse to say you're being prosecuted. I don't have a problem with you and never did. When the hell did I attack you?

>>7623683
>rabid chihuahua
You said people enjoy being sexually assaulted. Maybe it makes people who were attacked uncomfortable.

>>7623395
Since when? When do these women stigmatized other women? If anything, all the conversations I've had with other women about STEM classes like math went like this.
>that test was so hard!
>yeah and the homework takes so long
>the score better be weighted
And other bitching. Not bullying or anything like that. Just complaining. That, and they aren't expected to do well in math. That's changing, but it's still a stereotype that these women can fall on when they aren't doing well in math, instead of applying themselves more.

>>7623693
No, how the hell did you get that from my post? I was describing my own experience as a woman being harassed. When on earth did I ever say people enjoy getting sexually assaulted? I literally said it was awful in the first post I made in this thread.

What is up with you? Are you assuming I was another poster? My first post in this thread was responding to the angry animu shitpost.

>>7623641
>You realize they all admit at some point to being men rping gc women.
And once again, I have no fucking clue what you're going on about.

>And shelters taking taxpayer money should be for everyone.
Nice to see you finally showing your true colors, scum.

>>7623650
>I would feel uncomfortable to have men in the same bathroom as me
Switch 'men' for 'MtFs' and you've got my perspective. Unfortunately for women 'feeling uncomfortable' is no longer good enough of a reason these days.

>>7623657
>No, you're letting Brietbart makep your movement when they actually like sex assault.
1. You have been asked multiple times to prove that the alt-right makes up half that subreddit and failed to give proper evidence every single time. At this point you're just lying out of your ass in a desperate attempt to vilify anyone who doesn't entertain your retarded delusions.

2. The people in that subreddit aren't my guys. Quit attributing the shit they say or do onto me.

>>7623672
I assume you're not the person I was talking to about this, but like... You do realize that women have different needs from men, right? You do realize that even trans women need a place to feel safe, where they won't be harassed by homeless dudes, right? It's not "special interests", it's half the population.

>>7623683
>It's like you were just looking for an excuse to say you're being prosecuted. I don't have a problem with you and never did. When the hell did I attack you?
>try getting assaulted, it really is so much fun amirite?

Jesus christ, can you really not tell why I'm upset? I do relate to your experiences, but you're invalidating mine right now, while making me relive them at the same time. Don't go around telling victims that they haven't been victimized.

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>>7623844
You're a gentle flower, huh. When did I ever say your experiences weren't real? The hedgehog bit? The chihuahua bit? Those are what we call jokes. You did project your issues all over me at the slightest provocation, and assumed I was another anon.

Part of maturing emotionally is understanding that past experiences are in the past, and the emotions they bring up when you think of them aren't real. They're echos. If you don't get that, then you won't be able to move past it. Also since when did getting upset on a website and calling people assholes ever help you? You can keep taking your emotions out on me, it doesn't bother me, but it won't do anything for you.

Reread the whole conversation and try and see where I'm coming from. In my perspective, I talked about my own personal experiences with shitty men, in response to someone I saw as being sarcastic about catcalling being bad. Then you exploded.

Jesus Christ, can you really not tell why I reacted the way I did? If you want people to empathize with you, maybe you should practice a little empathy yourself.

>>7623844
And explicitly excluding lgbt that have the same problems and are often attacked with impunity is right, why?

Yes they need it and explicitly making it so they can never use it When it wouldn't have drained at all is hewing to special interests. I don't pay money for that, we might as well end the government's involvement then.

>>7623940
>and assumed I was another anon.

No, these are all your posts.
>>7623146
>>7623245
>>7623683
>>7623728

These are all my relevant posts.
>>7623061
>>7623169
>>7623377
>>7623844

Just to clear up confusion. Now stop hassling me and don't hassle victims of sexual assault in the future.

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>>7623792
>Switch 'men' for 'MtFs' and you've got my perspective. Unfortunately for women 'feeling uncomfortable

The irony is people don't know most of the time and most of the people they mistake for trannies are really just butch lesbians. Even they say so.

So if you're a Cis hon and make women uncomfortable shouldn't you gtfo?

Lots of the GC get really defensive when they don't pass and fight with women?

Shouldn't y'all stop making women uncomfortable if that's what you belive?

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>>7623991
Yup. You're a lost cause. You do realization everything in my first post was things that happened to me? I've also experienced date rape, physical assault (choked by a "friend") and other fun things. How dare you harass me? Do you have no respect?

You haven't made any good points. I've given you all my reasoning, spelled it out for you, and refused to react emotionally. You misinterpreted my first post, and you never let go of that.

And before you start calling me transphobic as well (since you seem to like making me a strawman), I'm a cis les dating a trans woman.

>>7623940
>>7623792
I won't comb through the place when others did that and I can trust them. You should just know that collaborating is common with the more extremist sites and they say it proudly https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/unlikely-allies-for-privacy-and-safety/#comments

You should also know that lots of reasonable sounding GC like Cathy Brenan say the collaborators are idiots and becoming alt-right puppets.

Brenan also says the bathroom laws are pointless distractions.

>>7624031
You the same one who said people like getting sexually abused?

That's a really cavalier thing to say to people who have suffered.

Makes it seem like you really didn't care about it at all, so it makes your original post hypocritical

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>>7624108
>I won't comb through the place when others did that and I can trust them.
Well show me those people then. I don't give a shit who made the proof.

>>7624123
No you dingus. Not at all. Where the hell did you even get that? How can you be so off base? You're saying you did all this based on a complete misconception? Oh, you know, like I've been saying again and again? Wowee.

>Nice to see you finally showing your true colors, scum.
I'm not giving money to harm lgbt.

If it's come to using the goverment to run out and vilify people who do no wrong and are in need then there may as well be no government.

Same way you find common cause with the altright I'll find common cause with libertarians. If you want to persecute then do it on your own dime.
>>7624031
Are you also the one who's making te other GC posts. Claim than mtf using restrooms and publicly funded shelters is a horrible thing?

>>7624169
>women's shelters are harming lgbt
God trannies really do have the worst persecution complexes.

>>7624123
Oh, and all your baseless accusations like accusing me of saying your experiences aren't real? Yup, this is what I mean by projection and strawman.

I've provided quotes and explained them. Why haven't you bothered to do this? It's just accusation after accusation with you.

>>7624168
I'm not >>7623991
but you laughed in >>7623026 about how trannies like being sexually abused and then kept joking about it.

So you're a horrible hypocrite who tratsa this as a joke while vilifying others for doing the same

>>7624193
That. Wasn't. Me. I said a few times now that my first post was >>7623146

What is with the lack of reading comprehension?

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>>7624193
More than one person here thinks you're retarded, tranny.

>>7624216
I'm not actually a tranny, inbred hick

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>>7624231
When given proof that you're wrong, you respond with insults.

I'm pretty happy about all this in the end. Even if you'll never admit to being wrong and taking out your emotions on others, I get the validation of knowing that you're the "asshole" here. Sweet.

I'm going to go lift some weights then kiss my gf into oblivion. Hope you have a nice night.

>>7624184
If they explicitly ban a group that gets assaulted if they go elsewhere and waste their budgets in vilifying, then they are and they don't deserve my taxes.

>>7624272
You start with insults after getting involved with something about mocking sex abuse victims

I did no wrong

>>7624272

Are both yours

>>7624209
>>7624216

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>>7624293
You misunderstood everything, got up on your stump, and ignored all logic. You took jokes and sarcasm seriously, and you never listened to evidence or reason. You still think I was mocking victims because that's all you have to cling to, despite there being proof that it wasn't me.

>>7624304
Hah. Desperate. I'm on mobile. I also wouldn't use those colors.

This is getting sad and hilarious. You remind me of nazi from lesgen. So satisfying to prove wrong, even when she would never in her life admit it.

>>7624335
If you weren't the one doing the mocking there was no problem, I'm not directing to you just to the hypocrite was >>7624216 yours? The way it was written it seemed different from >>7624209


I responded to >>7624216 and it wasn't written as being you so are you sure you're not the one making the mistake?

>>7624272
>>7624335
You're not even talking to the person you think you're talking to. This is me >>7623991

This is not me
>>7624123
>>7624193
>>7624231

I told you stop hassling me and instead you made a lengthy post about how I got btfo by your cold emotionless reason, and how your original terfy post >>7623146 is somehow okay because you have a trans girlfriend. I don't care if you're cis, trans, whatever. DO NOT judge other women for having emotional reactions to their abuse, or to their triggers. It's a dick thing to do.

Also stop engaging with this poor confused person lol

>>7622992
>Why is STEM valued over all other fields?
Because it's more useful than say Music Theory or Theology in real world application so demand is high and not everyone can cut it in those fields so supply is low.

>>7621226
Of course. Everything that fucks up that already fucked up movement should be encouraged to join.

>>7622554
>trans women are incapable of experiencing sex based oppression
That's only true if you assume oppressors are omniscient.

>>7622856
>Girls bully girls who act too boyish and are too good in math
The reverse is much more common.

>>7622967
>civil engineering makes one gross and unfemminine.
That mentality mainly comes from men though, the women who push femininity so hard like that only do so to convince potential male partners that they're feminine women. Men are terrified of a woman being competent, it means they won't be able to control them.

>>7623103
Only the trannies who are themselves /pol/ believe in female privilege. Trannies are the only group who really have the experience to judge whether female privilege is real, and they overwhelmingly say it doesn't. Female privilege is nothing more than a meme created by overly entitled cis boys who have never spent a single second of their lives living as women.

>>7623563
>sex segregated bathrooms
A thing of the past. They make about as much sense as racially segregated railroad cars.

>trannies being allowed into women's shelters
You shouldn't be calling it a women's shelter if you're denying it to women of the wrong demographic group.

>>7624108
>reasonable sounding GC like Cathy Brenan
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>7623616
Most of the ``non-delusional" ones are shitheads, because they've never had a reason to question their values or even begin to develop a sense of self-awareness.

>>7625217
>>trannies being allowed into women's shelters
>You shouldn't be calling it a women's shelter if you're denying it to women of the wrong demographic group.

Christopher Hambrook

>pwned

bye bye

>>7625334
>Christopher Hambrook
He wasn't trans,

said he would have attacked eitherway,

had the books thrown at him and will spend the rest of his life as a sex crime wing prisoner where he's endlessly attacked and violated by his own kind

Men have nothing to do with mtfs and he was made an example of and nothing has happened in years

>>7625334
Can you stop talking like that, it makes it seem like you're one of the poltards and evading a ban

>>7625217
>Men are terrified of a woman being competent, it means they won't be able to control them.
This is paranoia

>>7625381

He said he was, many, many times. had a girl name and wore girl clothes and everything!

>>7625381
>nothing has happened in years
dude went into a Seattle locker room and got naked with a girls swim team like a month ago, and there was another one in public park restroom last summer IIRC

>>7625334
Not trans so off topic and if they can't spend their budgets on anything but vilifying lgbt and minorities, then perhaps it shouldn't be tax payer funded.

Luckily for you austerity means taxpayer funding is ending so all the shelters you donate to can exclude lgbt if it's your money and not mine.

>>7625426
He didn't, and the trial proved it.
>dude went into a Seattle locker room
Cite a source or you're lying
http://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/ag-ferguson-i-1515-signature-gathering-tactics-could-constitute-harassment
Those men are gender critical feminists who vowed to attack and harass women till they sign an Antitrans petition.

It didn't work and it's documented they're your own

>>7625439
my bad, it was last year.
http://mynorthwest.com/188993/man-caught-undressing-in-front-of-girls-at-green-lake-locker-room/

>>7625439
>He didn't, and the trial proved it.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/15/a-sex-predators-sick-deception
>Jessica
stop retconning you faggot and accept the fact that there is a large overlap between psychopath/narcissistic AGP males that predate upon and threaten females and the MTF population in general
>inb4 Laurelai

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>>7625493
>my bad, it was last year.
They weren't trans and given the gender crit men vowing to wage a campaign of harassment till they get their way, it's most likely one of yours.
http://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/ag-ferguson-i-1515-signature-gathering-tactics-could-constitute-harassment
>stop retconning you faggot
They say he isn't trans and planned to attack eitherway, your rhetoric just made him think he could escape punishment that way... he'll spend the rest of his life getting raped by buba and it looks like everyone got the point it won't help.
>psychopath/narcissistic AGP males that predate upon and threaten females and the MTF population in general
those are fairly rare and their crimes even more rare.


And what's more, they're all creepy hons. There's never been a cute transgirl or femboy who's done stuff like that so they're empirically innocent and you should drop your crusade on them.

So if you have a problem, you could just purge all the old hons since those are the only ones to ever do wrong.

But for some reason you all fall for creepy AGP hons with abuser tendencies and promote them to the highest levels BC they say a few things you like. Then like the man in this pic they hit on teen females and crap.

Maybe you could instead work with transgirls to keep hons from transitioning and then there would never be any sleazy AGP again.

>>7621226
1. Let me reverse your question. Should women be allowed to be feminists?
2. Why do transwomen need women's permission?
3. Why be a feminist when you could be a "transist"?

>>7625568
>They weren't

did you DARE to assume thir gender, you absolute shitlard Nazi oppressive harmful harmer? check your FUCKING privilege, white male

>>7625997
Courtroom, finding out he planned to attack anyways and just thought that would let him get away without punishment

>>7626020

OK, hon. Stay away from my daughter at the Y.

>>7626509
Haha a man obsessing about women and following them around to protect from trannies, who'd have thought

>>7625334
And if this person was a cis woman, would you let them into your shelters and tolerate their crimes? Would you say that the existence of a woman who is a violent criminal makes the notion of women's shelters obsolete, since you can no longer maintain the illusion that being surrounded exclusively by women guarantees a woman's safety?

>>7625406
Men themselves have admitted to this. Maybe it doesn't occur in mentally healthy men, but mentally healthy men are few and far between.

>>7625426
>He said he was, many, many times.
Donald Trump also repeatedly said the women he sexually harassed consented to it. That doesn't make it true, now does it? Why are you so desperate to uncritically accept the words of sex criminals?

>dude went into a Seattle locker room and got naked with a girls swim team like a month ago
Isn't getting naked something that normally occurs in locker rooms? If the person was a trans woman, they were engaging in normal behavior for their gender, if they weren't, they're really not relevant to the conversation.

>>7625997
They is generic, it doesn't imply the assumption of any gender. It's not exclusive to non-binary genders.

>>7626538
That's pretty common in TERF circles. 98% percent of them are men roleplaying as women who are afraid of trannies.

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>>7622875

>not an argument.

>Should transwomen be allowed to be feminists?
Allowed to have feminist views, sure
Allowed to make feminist something about them no
>Is 'transplaining' an issue in the feminist community?
Yes

Git out

>>7630727
Trans women are women, so technically feminism is already about them. They just have to sit out and cry whenever the other girls in book club start talking about their periods.

>>7630741
Having a baby maker and being the reason men rape women to produce offspring must be a wonderful thing to have

>>7629870
>gays have repeatedly said those who they fuck, and spread aids with consented
>this doesn't make it true does it?
>Why are you so desperate to uncritically accept the words of sex criminals?

Especially when gay rape, and aids spreading is PROVEN.

>seattle
you realize literally ANY MAN can call themselves trans and do this right? Theres no other qualifiers, legally.

>>7630741
Well, you know, I posted my opinion and I don't consider them women.

Because many don't pass, so without being perceived as a woman you won't get treated as a woman, you won't have the same issues as women have.
Even if they do pass, it's ridiculous to say that just because you made yourself look like something, you ARE that something.
They lack basic and obvious things that make women women, like our reproductive system and periods.

And the fact that some women have reproductive problems isn't an argument to accept that there are "male-bodied women". It's a minority and it's a health issue. It makes no fucking sense to say you're a woman because a minority that has health issues (such as hormone imbalance, PCOS or whatever) has the same consequence (not being able to get pregnant for example) for entirely different reasons.

They'll have their own trans issues and problems and I wish that they can make their situation better, but no, in my opinion they have no place within feminism.

>>7630831
>It's a minority and it's a health issue. It makes no fucking sense to say you're a woman because a minority that has health issues (such as hormone imbalance, PCOS or whatever) has the same consequence (not being able to get pregnant for example) for entirely different reasons.

This is stupid. Trans women are basically a minority with a health issue. You're preemptively moving the goalposts because you know your reductive ideology is flawed.

I'm glad that third-wave feminism (or fourth-wave now, whatever) is learning to accommodate trans women, or else neither group would survive.

>>7630769
>legally
You do know that in most states it's not even actually illegal to use the ``wrong" bathroom? This has been the case since long before trans rights was even a thing, so you can't even blame it on le tranny boogeyman. Sexual assault is still illegal though, no matter who is doing it to who in which bathroom.

>>7630987
Trans women are males. They are not women with a health issue.

>>7631075
Based on what exactly? The consensus of experts is that a transitioned trans woman is, medically speaking, much closer to being a woman than being a man.

>>7622967
Or maybe women have different strengths than men? Seems like an easier explanation than men colluding to screw over women.

>>7631229
Sexism can exist without conscious collusion.