"Stealth trannies" are just an urban myth, they don't

>>7551753
>yeah every 1 in 100 passes, but if you spend a bit of time with that person you clock them, eventually.
This is wrong as fuck. Most people who transition young end up passing, even if they can't go to the beach or have a BF without anyone knowing (things that prevent you from being stealth but doesn't prevent you from passing)

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>>7551753
Once in a blue moon one comes along that passes and is pretty convincing... then she opens her mouth and the voice gives it away.

It's literally 1 in a 100,000 that you could pull off perfection. They don't exist

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>>7551758

>Most

Yeah sure, I call bullshit. Sure, more do maybe 1 in 5 end up decently attractive, but noticable, 1 in 10 attractive and unnoticable, 1 in 100 pass even to a trained eye and 1 in 1,000 might be able to go stealth because of the perfect combination of hip/waist, speech, androgyny to begin with and not to mention good expensive well done surgery for their private parts.

It's soo statistically unlikely, it probably hasn't happened, yet.

I'm sure somebody in the current generation will pull it off, or maybe somebody already has, but the idea that there are thousands of these people running around is frankly, absurd beyond belief.

>>7551785
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>>7551753
Just remember that the only reason you're here is because you're too autistic to live a normal life.

>>7551758
Unless you consider "stealth" being a fucking recluse. Then sure by the virtue of never going outside you'll never be found out.

>>7551789
Mostly, it's because I'm bored

>>7551785
If only 1 in 100 passed, I doubt transition wouldn't work as a treatment.

I pass and I don't even try. I have known people for years without them suspecting. Yes, careful examination by someone who knows what they are looking for would reveal that I am trans, but that's not something that happens in real life.

No, I am not stealth. I wouldn't be able to have a bf without them knowing, I wouldn't be able to use a locker-room without ending up in the news, but I pass in everyday situations.

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>>7551792
I'm not talking about stealthing. But there is no way only 1 in 100 pass. If that were the case then MtFg would consist of the elite because a lot of girls there pass.

>>7551793
Most bored people have hobbies - like music, woodwork or knitting.

>>7551801
Source it, it's really easy to fake shit like this.

just go outside sometimes and you'll see there are masculine cis women too, transgirls are rare and nobody will look for minutes into your fucking face because they want to know if you're a 'real' girl.

>>7551792
I just think "deep stealth" is fucking stupid. Your closest friends should know at the minimum so they can help you when you're falling apart, regardless of how strangers see you.

>>7551801
>10 out of 17
They literally asked 17 transgirls.

>>7551801
I would just like to say that this is a fucking evil thing to do to your SO, if I found out somebody who I'd been married too was fucking with me like this, fuck... You really don't know what I do.

Not necessarily even because their trans, but they literally lied about having medical conditions, when having kids might have been important to me and they fucked me over by being selfish.

At the very least if they were upfront about it, I might have been okay with it since we could have talked about surrogacy or other alternatives, before you know marrying at tying down somebody's life.

I don't fault people for lying to their friends, but holy shit if you lie to your Significant Other like that, you literally deserve to burn in a sort of hell.

>>7551826
They probably couldn't conduct larger studies back then. Both because there were fewer transitioners and because those who transitioned were encouraged to go deep stealth and break contact with their family.

>>7551753
>started transitioning at 21
>been on hrt less than a year
>been at boyfriend's parent's house on vacation for 2 weeks
>his super religious family still don't have any idea
>go to McDonald's without makeup, wearing pajamas and get ma'am'd
>hang out with his friends, and when trans people come up no one bats an eye at me while they say really crass shit
>at college, girl in class starts talking to me about her 'cramp week' and how I know it sucks right #girlproblems

Git gud. 5'4 100 pound Asian privilege is real. Only problem was originally voice but that doesn't even take too much time, just lots of practice.

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>>7551753
There are ways of making you clocked.

>>7553233
not everybody has those kind of stats

>>7553233
Kek try 5' 2" 95 pound white girl privilege not to mention hitting puberty at 16 and starting hormone therapy at 7 1/2
When I tried telling my friends that I was trans they couldn't believe it and I had one ask me if I was going to transition to be a guy cuz they thought I was cis
>voice took lots of practice to get 100 percent and the only time I sound masc is when I cough

>>7553691
17 1/2 wóòps

>>7553233
>Asian
Lol it doesn't count, retard.
Try being white next time.

>>7551800
>tfw most of my friends are queer cis women or trans guys
>Despite meeting them through an LGBT group at my college that is dominated by various trans people they all act as if I'm just a tall cis lesbian

One of my FtM friends has repeatedly reffered to me and him as both being AFAB, people have literally tried to educate me about trans people, and even TERFs have flirted with me.

The only person of my friends that has ever clocked (or at least said as much) me is some cis bi guy, who like drunkenly told me at a party that he had after a long time.

>>7553743
>Asians thinking they know what being trans actually feels like
There's a whole market for passable tranny whores in Asia. Asian people don't know what it's like to actually have to try to pass. Their men all look like women already.

Being stealth and white is almost impossible.

Of course stealth trannies exist. The only reason that people here think they don't is that they let anime and porn influence what they think women look like. For one, trans women are like 1 in 10000 according to most health services, people don't think of us anymore than they think of rare genetic disorders. On top of that, cis women simply aren't as feminine as you probably think.

I used to work at a front desk, so I saw hundreds of women a day. Tons that were over 5'10, had broad shoulders, had masculine facial features, were kinda flat, had kinda narrow hips, etc. Obviously they wouldn't have all of these traits together, but having one, two, maybe three of these barely aroused any suspicion. This was in a half asian office too, anyone who thinks asians are superfem is dumb desu. There was one guy who wore womens clothes but he also had a full beard and was heavily balding and had a beer gut, so I think he might have just been mentally ill.

Also, people totally are willing to tell you. I've had unpassable friends before. Anti-trans people are willing to mock you life choices at work, and even if you are in a liberal area, some woman will likely tell you how brave you are or something along those lines. When I was sliding into male fail territory pre-social transition, a friend of mine was disgusted and stopped talking to me upon realizing I wasn't a girl. Americans are not polite people. These are people that will make a humiliating scene then post it on youtube, do you honestly think we are a people that are afraid to speak our mind?

>>7553847
>>7553743
You people are stupid. Asians have a really hard time passing, their faces look as (maybe more) dimorphic as whites. You just suffer from "arr rook same" syndrome. The tells are different, but they are there.

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>>7551835
White hetero CIS male scum here, stumbled on this thread on the front page.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's "fucking evil" or the worst offense in the history of humanity, but it would definitely be a deal-breaker. Not because of the trans or infertility thing - I have chosen never to have children in my life, so the infertility would be a plus - but because of the lie.

If you were open, early in the relationship (say, before 4-5 months in) about the fact that you transitioned and that's why you couldn't have kids or had a weird vagina or still had a leftover penis or "clit" or whatever you want to call it, I would be understanding. I know it's not an easy thing to admit, and it's a part of your life that you want to put behind you, but it's still there, and it still has a lasting effect, physically and mentally.

I would be okay with it, because it shows something more important than an attractive body: An attractive personality. I would want a partner who is completely open with me, and can share everything with me, because I want a partner that I can share everything with, no matter how embarrassing or shameful or whatever. That's the point of a serious relationship: To be able to share everything with understanding and no harsh judgement. I just couldn't be with someone who kept secrets from me or lied to me, about anything. That just shows a lack of trust, and with no trust, there's no relationship. Being untrustworthy and insecure are not attractive personality traits.

Why would I need to know, though? Because I would want to help you. If touching or looking at a certain part of your body during sex or whenever made you uncomfortable and/or turned-off, I would want to know so that I could work with you, to avoid making you uncomfortable. I would want to know about your past and your life, and the parts that you want to put behind you, so that I don't unintentionally start trying to question you about things you don't even want to think about.

>>7553886
In short: If you're with someone who you know would not accept your past or even try to be understanding, despite the emotional and personal connection you share, then you're not with the right person.

If you think that admitting your "secret" would cause that person to leave you on the spot, based on that confession alone, then it's not a person you want to be with anyways, because it just means that they'll be harsh, judgemental, and prejudiced about other parts of your life/relationship too.

>>7553880
Lol nice try, self-hating chink but whites are hands down the most sexually dimorphic race there is.

A white tranny above 15 will certainly never pass flawlessly.

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>>7553880
We are talking about Asians in the US, not Asians abroad. Of course, Asian trannies won't pass in their original countries but they will in the US tbqh.

>>7553902
>self hating chink
I'm a slav senpai. Not my fault I grew up surrounded by Asians so they don't pass to me now.

>>7553911
Does this work in reverse? Let's say I pass well, but want to look flawlessly cis, could I just move to some Asian country?

>>7553931
Not nearly.

Asians tend to have this idea that the typical Euro/American guy is a huge muscular bearded giant and the typical Euro/American girl is an hourglass blonde bimbo. They find the sexual dimorphism between westerners to be HUGE compared to their own, which they already perceive much more than westerners do.

>>7551801
>These are childhood things. Why do we need to talk about it now?
He knew. He knew or suspected, but didn't want to tell her and didn't want her to have to say it.

I think the number of mtf trannies who actually last 5 years without detransitioning is super low and the number who last 15+ years is even lower. Then among those, the ones who are truly "deep stealth" rather than semi-openly known transsexuals is like 30% or less.

There's huge misrepresentation on the internet because basically baby trans who are just a year or three into transition tend to be peak delusional and overly outspoken. There's something about the first few years on hormones that makes them exceptionally obnoxious and retarded. Trannies should not even be allowed to comment on their experiences until like 5 years in. If you filter out the delusional fantasy reports of the baby trans and only look for experiences from long time trannies you'll get a more accurate perspective on what to expect. Usually they realize that a lot of what they thought was passing was really just people being respectful / non-confrontational

>>7555308
>I think the number of mtf trannies who actually last 5 years without detransitioning is super low and the number who last 15+ years is even lower
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734_An_Analysis_of_All_Applications_for_Sex_Reassignment_Surgery_in_Sweden_1960-2010_Prevalence_Incidence_and_Regrets
of a group of 767 people over the course of 50 years, 15 detransitioned
detransition rates are (probably, studies haven't caught up) increasing, but most detransitioners seem to do so before or around the 5 year mark, certainly before the 15 year one (detransitions at that point happen but are exceedingly rare), and are still nowhere near a majority
you can also predict people who are more likely to detransition pretty well if you just read detranser blogs for a while

>>7555410
That report is a bit misleading, it never mentions how many of the original 767 did not respond to long-term followups.

>>7553931
probably because most western women look like men in ill fitting wigs to me

>>7555538
This desu. Western Europeans are gross. Eastern Europe master race.

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>>7555545
Eastern Europe master race

>tfw no Eastern European gf

>>7555578
She's one of the Slavs who were blessed with half steppenigger genetics. Asian/Slav mix is as unfair as it gets.
>tfw only 1/4 steppenigger

>>7555592
>>7555578
Who is she? Is she a trap?

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>>7551753
>Rogue, stealth or whatever trannies, don't exist
That's why I rolled shaman.

>>7555600
no she is cis, berry attractive and worshipped on 4chan.

>>7551753
Gotta remember that a lot of people on this board look at all trans people through an autistic laser microscope, while most normies don't.

>>7555603
underrated post

>>7553911
>asian trannies passing
>who is Ianna Drew?

>>7551785
>1 in 1,000
>it probably hasn't happened, yet

What?

>>7551753
So you're telling me...there's a chance.

>>7553854
Thanks for sharing. I worry about this kind of stuff all the time.

>>7553854
Just want to add that I've met four or five cishet females that constantly have to deal with being called trannies despite being born female, presenting female, being straight, etc.

Such an odd age we live in where I have NEVER ben clocked and my cis friends open up to me about the trans hate they receive.

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Tell that to my roommates of 2 years who have no idea *shrugs*

>tfw when awkwardly standing by as my roommate says transphobic shit around me
>tfw talking about periods
>tfw being stealth rules

Id prob kms otherwise

>>7551800
transition doesn't work. The only ones who say it works are agps who have finally satisfied their fetish. Therefore... to them, it "works"

>>7553691
kek these people never post anything to prove their ridiculous stealth story bullshit.


If you look like a real girl than why not post some pictures for a us to see. After all real girls post pictures online ALL THE TIME without a care that anyone would think they are a tranny

>>7555308
i agree with this. baby trans are absolute retards and every single one of them is in "oh I just need a nose job, oh I just need to get my hairline fixed, oh I just need my beard gone, oh I just need srs, oh I just need ffs, oh I just need to wait for hrt to do its magic, oh I just need to learn makeup/learn voice, THEN I WILL PASS FOR SURE CAUSE OTHERWISE I WILL KILL MYSELF SO I HAVE TO BELIEVE MY OWN BULLSHIT TO STAY ALIVE BUT I AM STILL TOTALLY UNBIASED AND OBJECTIVE ABOUT MY TRANSITION

>>7563811
>tell that to my

will you stfu you delusional retard. Post pics or get the fuck out. This baby trans bullshit is poisenous

>>7564001
> After all real girls post pictures online ALL THE TIME without a care that anyone would think they are a tranny
you are projecting your own insecurities as a transwoman

and again this is bait to make dysphoric transwomen feel worse so they will constantly feel they do not pass and will be as miserable as other insecure shut ins from this board

whether they pass or not--- youre not the arbiter of passing; you are biased towards a preconceived answer. other trans people are not the arbiters because stupid trannies have distorted self views both ways, passing or nonpassing view of self are flawed

>>7563986
i am sick of this board's stupidity and dumb nonpassing retards who make excuses for their inability to pass because they are not dedicated to their transition

you arent trans if you cant relieve your dysphoria or try as hard as possible to pass

you are the agp, not people who fixed their lives and tried

its like caraposter recruited you people to this psychotic cult of non passing chaser/agp hons who spend all their time being the opposite of helpful

literally tranny hitler

>>7564001
Real girls don't post in trans threads to have every minute imperfection pointed out as proof of transness.
People post cis girls on here in passing threads and the like, and people come out fo the woodworks to say how obviously trans they are. This happens ALL THE TIME.
That being said, posting a place not on the lookout for trannies would be a better bet.

>>7564046
That would imply i started transitioning two years ago, which is incorrect, you big faggot

>>7555308
I know this, I used to be so hopeful during my first year, then one-two years in I broke down and faced reality that I will never pass and always be clockable, plus various other issues like not having functional genitals etc.

There was a lot of despair and drug abuse. But in the end I didn't die. I never stopped hrt, either. I didn't change gender, but I continue going down this path, to whatever end. I still have srs and ffs and some other things in front of me. In the end, im going to do what I want to do, eventually-even if other people think im a freak, it's ok as long as I have done my best and can live with myself. I don't need other people in my life, and I don't need them to consider me anything.

I'm on 5th year now.

>>7564729
you're a true hero of our community god bless or w/e