Why are late transitioners so obsessed with gatekeeping and blocking

>>7485976

Not all lates are of that mind. But I can understand why some are.

It's because suffering builds character. They believe all transfolk should be forced to experience the pain of their faulty biology before being allowed to treat the symptoms. They sort of feel like it's cheating, earlys never had to feel true dysphoria or the extreme anguish of dealing with the effects of natal sexed hormones on the cross sexed brain.

It's kind of like getting your leg amputated at the hip after having an infected toe nail. Sure it's possible that the infection could spread or become gangrenous. But you didn't ever let the problem get that bad, you just took the easy way out and went for the most brutal course of action as soon as there was a sign of any problems.

Again I don't agree with this fully, but I understand it.

>>7485976
>Why are late transitioners so obsessed with gatekeeping and blocking trans kids from puberty blockers and HRT?
Because they're bitter

Why are early transitioners such catty little cunts?

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>>7486077
Trutrans have feminized brains. ;)

I actually am obsessed with getting "trans kids" on puberty blockers and estrogen as SOON as possible so they don't turn into me.

t. late transitioner

>>7486077
OP is not an early transitioner though. OP is some retarded chaser who can't stop obsessing over young estrogen-enhanced boipuccies so probably a pedo as well.

>>7486105
I don't think anyone really knows Cara's deal. Unless they were doxxed and I missed it.

>>7486105


Still though, it was almost impossible for someone to transition pre-puberty in the 90's. Those people(excluding creepy old fetishists) are just as trans as they are.

>>7486125

Creepy old fetishists are AGP.

Though I agree with you, when I was young and "early" transitioner was an 18 year old. Most waited until mid twenties because the brain stops development at 25. There was some sort of rationalisation built around that age being the right time as the brain chemistry was more stable and therefore would be more receptive, though I reckon that is just as much of a meme as TruTrans.

>>7486077
they have all the right to be

>>7486287


No, not really. Those "hons" they despise so much paved the way for their privileged little asses. Congrats for being born in a progressive era kids.

As to the original question, gatekeeping is bullshit now and it was even more bullshit before. I think it's great that kids have the option to transition young, just don't take it for granted.

>>7486320
>Those "hons" they despise so much paved the way for their privileged little asses.

In what way?

>>7486149

>>7486149

Exactly. It wasn't too acceptable to be gay back then let alone trans. I did everything in my power to transition in 1996 at the age 14. I got my ass beat by my step dad and neighborhood kids, was almost committed to a mental home over it. I had to resort to shop lifting herbal supplements which really didn't do shit. I repressed and felt hopeless. I was finally able to get legit hormones at the age of 20 and that was considered very young just 14 years ago. I would never want a young trans kid to deal with that bullshit.

>>7486344


Education and advocacy.

>>7486359
I guess. It's just strange that hons and early transitioners are so different in every way, yet it's the struggles of the former that allowed the latter to even exist.

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>>7486407
Right. And now it's time to hand over the ropes. I'm ready to lead.

>>7486407


My guess would be years of abuse, self hatred and internalized transphobia.

>>7486416
But... You're not an early transitioner. Are you even trans?

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>>7486428
The person up above was lying to you, I've been on E since I was 13 (21 now) sorry if that ruffles a few feathers here.

>>7486428
cara is a 21 year old pre-transition trans woman who's struggling to reconcile her agp with her transsexualism

>>7485976
There's a lot different perceptions to pharmaceuticals and drugs nowadays, even in the past 5-10 years, then there was previously.
I'm 27 and I always remember buying weed online just chatting with my dealer south of where I lived on msn messenger so he could mail it to me and people thought I was like a god. This was only like 10ish years ago as well. But nowadays you can get whatever the hell you want online and younger generations have grown up in a society where they know no matter how much you regulate something people find ways around it. That didn't really happen in an obvious way in the past. Like in the 90s people on usenet was basically the equivalent to the deep web of today just because it was so unknown.
Gatekeeping was the norm for everything except when pharmaceutical companies bribed doctors to hand out prescriptions easier like for viagra.

Nowadays research is easy to get, every single university student has access to more research than most doctors do, and they have access to newer research as well. Plus scouring databases is one of the first things they teach science and engineering students whereas in the past you sat down in a library and dragged out journals and it was a bitch and a half to do anything.
It's kind of changed our perspectives on who and what to believe. More people than ever are capable of understanding the research and doctors are required less and less in certain fields. In the past you'd have to trust everything your doctor said because who else was there?

I guess what I'm getting at with this rant is that in the past there was the fear of the unknown, and your therapist was there to solve it. That fear isn't really a thing anymore, your average transgender student in a science program probably already knowns 10,000x as much as their doctor does about hormones and transgenderism so there's no fear of the unknown.

>>7486112
Caraposter's deal is that he is starved for attention and has no friends or anything better to do. He is also probably suffering from mental illness.

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>>7486546
How does delegitimize anything that I've said though?

>>7486587
You spout off baseless ramblings.

I have met plenty if hons that want early transitioning to be as easy as possible so that others can avoid their life.

You still have time to turn your life around. Get out more, meet people, do yoga, jog, get therapy, spend less time on the internet. You will feel better.

>>7486345
Holy shit you rock girl, so brave. Yes I can relate to that brutal world was 12yo in 1996. AGP as fuck and living the repressiongen lifestyle everyday. But I was shy awkward introverted and very beta. When I was 14 a closeted gayboy must of known I was "off" came out to me and we experimented. :)
Talked with my mom about it cuz I was guilty about being a sinner and she flipped, never experimented again. :(

Back in the day I identified with crossdresser hons rather than transexual hons. Nowadays i'm a masc looking untransitioned AGP. :(

I strongly support early transition for everyone who needs it, but I've bought into some TERF rhetoric so i'm skeptical about it at the same time.

>>7485976
Because I don't see why I should fight for others to live happy, almost normal lives that I'll never have just for being born a few years earlier. Maybe if they weren't a bunch of smug, ungrateful little shits, I'd be more willing to help them.

>>7486826
Everyone is smug and ungrateful toward the generation before them for various issues.

The current generation will most likely be even angrier toward the next few generations especially when transitioning at birth is a thing.

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>>7486618
>baseless
Uhh, no. Everyday posts like >>7486826 or make it more and more clear the importance of gatekeeping all late transitioners regardless of wether those show signs of legitimately being trans or not.

>putting kids on blockers

>>7488242
yes, and.....?

>>7486359
any proof?

>>7486344
>hons never existed
>they decided to repress and not demand rights or try to get hrt
>no trans future and all hrt is locked down for only cis woman

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>>7486345
People quickly forget how shitty it used to be. I grew up with a trans girl who was very lucky in 2003 to have supportive parents and transitioned as soon as she turn 19... Which was the absolute youngest age you could get treatment here. A friend of mine came out at 17 and waited a year and a half to get hormones despite presenting a classic transsexual narrative. Blockers were unheard of. It was illegal to perform even routine surgeries on trans people if they could be construed as supporting medical transition; if you wanted a hysterectomy, you better be both seriously ill and early enough in transition to pass as a woman through the medical system. You had to go halfway across the country to get surgery, and you'd better have deep pockets, because no insurance would pay for any of it. People put off transition because it was the only way to keep their jobs and families.

Even when I was coming out a decade ago, there was no protection of trans people. I couldn't go to school administration about names and pronouns, much less bathrooms; I would have been suspended. Unless you either passed well pre-hrt or presented as your birth sex it was hard to get hired. My doctor refused to help me get any kind of treatment, citing ignorance while telling me to just be gay. I lost most of my friends, many of whom were lgb. I was cut off from my family and sent letters urging me to become a lesbian. If you were suicidal from dysphoria, poverty, and isolation, you'd be denied treatment. If you were too well adjusted you'd be denied treatment.

Nowadays they do informed consent, there are legal protections, surgeries are covered, everyone is educated about trans issues. I've met 12 year olds on blockers and 14 year olds on hormones. Parents throw their kids out a lot less. I envy trans youth, but I don't resent progress.

>>7486345
out of the blue but do you pass well?

>>7489917
The progress has also come remarkably fast and some of the "progress" is a little bizarre in that transgenderism itself is somewhat of a social media fad like tattoos and piercings with all the weird non-binary stuff and whatnot.
Gay rights came over the course of 50-60 years whereas trans rights came over the course of like less than 10 years. It's no wonder the political pendulum swung to the right so hard and you get guys like Trump.

>>7488118

Dude that post was likely (you)... Most of us here aren't children. We don't fall for that tactic.

I've been thinking about suggesting we have poster IDs like /pol/ so that you can't have arguments with yourself. No one else has agreed with that sentiment. And regardless, I've never met a late that wanted to actively hinder an early. I have only experienced that meme here, never in reality.

>>7490222
I don't think you can directly correlate white supremacist populism to the progression of trans rights considering most Trump voters still don't understand what trans people are, but I do think it's natural for that base to be reactionary and opposed to trans rights as conflicting with their enshrinement of tradition.

>>7489917
I wish they didn't take all the services they can get these days for granted. Every endo in Pennsylvania already denied me hrt by the time I was 23. I still buy my pills online.

I still remember when Ellen came out of the closet and that was sort of a turning point for gays in the west. Back then there was only tv and radio as away to get information to the masses without them picking up books on their own. Today you can just look at social media to see how many transpeople there really are out there and it really helped to give them legitimacy, because they weren't in movies or tv or anything else that's popular, again because they are on the bottom of the totem pole in society

>>7490271
That sounds great honestly
I'm so tired of pol and the inter group hate

'You all deserve Dachau, love from /pol/

>>7490370
I spent two years in limbo trying to get on t because of waitlists and gatekeeping. The woman I was referred to specifically to get a letter for hrt strung me along for months until she revealed that she never had any intention of giving any of her patients hormones or referring them to someone who would. She had put herself out as a resource to try to convince ftms to reidentify as women. I was so depressed that winter I spent an entire month in bed and started doing dxm to pass the time and disassociate. The only reason I didn't source illegal moans (and you better believe I researched them) was due to a phobia that rendered self-injection impossible. When I finally did get close to my own script, I was offered illegal injections a couple of months early and jumped at the opportunity. I was not a functional human being because of dysphoria. I don't know if I'll ever fully recover from the years I spent with a female body, though it gets better with distance.

>>7489917
Wow i'm a 32yo AGP and there's no way I could of transitioned back in the day. I repression sleep walked until the trans community started making a lot of noise.

Unfortunately i'm still repressing by larping as cishet, but at least i'm concious of what I am now.

>>7490222
Transgender rights were included in all the early gay rights bills, but stripped out to get them passed. We've been working on this issue for decades, and in parallel with gay rights.

>>7490886
*HUGS* Find a trans therapist, or self med.

>>7491526
Awww thanks well, thats the thing I don't feel comfortable being a masc hon at this point in my life. Thats part of why I lurk here instead of reddit, so I don't get my hopes up and think I can fly.

>>7491588
>>7491526
Should also mention I live in Canada, BC actually and the government is starting to get a bit reddit tier. So I can probably do informed consent if I want. Can you believe my tax dollars pay for this shit? http://transhealth.phsa.ca/

>>7486345
>1996
Youngster... :) Try doing it in the late '70s & early '80s. I started trying to get on hormones when I was almost 15, and finally managed to when 16 and a half. My thanks go out to the older gentleman who knew of a sympathetic private doctor in the south of France. I had no luck getting them legally under 18 in NYC, unless I wanted to buy them from the drug dealers. I tried calling every trans friendly doc I could get the name of. None would touch somebody under 18 years old. Still I was thrown into conversion therapy when I was just about 20, less than 2 months before I was to have SRS. It wasn't done by my parents, but a doctor that was treating my injuries after I was beaten up on the street. I can only imagine where I'd have been in life now if that beating hadn't happened.
>I would never want a young trans kid to deal with that bullshit.
Agreed... Back then many people believed transsexuals deserved any abuse/harms etc that fell on them, including being murdered. I know of two transwomen who were murdered and the police never investigated. On the street in NYC there were rumors going around that there was a serial murderer that prayed only on transsexuals. In 1972 was a court case that finally broke the gendered clothing laws in NYC. Before then, you legally had to have at least three articles of your gender's clothing on you when in public. This even applied to actors on stage. Many cops would rough you up if they found out you were transgender, even if you were reporting a crime against you.

>>7491588
Sadly the dysphoria never goes away.

>>7491631
Wow oldfag detected lol.

Sounds like US used to be super conservative back then. Possibly worse than Russia is today. I know in Canada being gay was illegal until Pierre Trudeau had it legalized in 1969.

I smoke weed to get away from dysphoria and it really takes the edge off, but I've been noticing i'm gradually caring less about being perceived as masculine. Don't know if its the weed or what.

>>7486344
they didn't