should feminine gay men be transitioned? their extreme similarity

I hate women too much

>>7334642

Has that FtM that never capitalizes anything gone crazy?

>>7334655
you'll get used to it
>>7334669
>implying i wasn't

>>7334737
I don't think I can

>>7334764
girls are bitches but gay guys who spend a while around them tend to start liking them so clearly being transitioned would improve your perspective

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>>7334642
If you were gay before transition or straight before transition you aren't trans. Only actual pure dysphoria can be born out of asexuals or children.

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>>7334642
all "men" should be transitioned into women. 100% serious.

>>7334642
Yes, take them away.

>>7334787
>portrait_of_the_artist_as_a_young_represser.png
>>7334810
nah, most men are better off as men than women and vice versa
very few people can survive in the cross-gender society

>>7334642
Yes plz, nothing more scummy than femboys. They don't pass as men. Might pass as women

>>7334822
i don't base whether or not to do things on the well-being of "men"

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>>7334642
But I like my dick, anon!

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>>7334822
Are you Nikki ? Be honest with me.

>feminine gay men are frowned upon in the gay community
nigga what gay community

>>7334929
not for much longer
>>7334967
i am not
for one, i live in the wrong country
>>7334988
the 'masc4masc str8 acting only NO FEMS' one

>>7334996
>not for much longer
What are you implying, anon?

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>>7334996
Come to Maine. I need you to help with something important .

>>7335012
>live in the wrong country
cara, i don't have american citizenship and i can't just randomly get a very expensive plane ticket
also knowing you i am mildly concerned as to what this important thing is

>>7334996
yes mane the one that only other masc4masc tards care about

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>>7335039
We're going to go to Blaire's house together for a little trip.

>>7335082
though tempting, i would rather avoid prison

>>7335012
>Cara poster lives in the same state as I do
Huh. North or South?

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>>7335359
Bangor, where are you?

>>7335367
Houlton.

is this thread still alive

>>7335509
yes
how many '''''''''''''''femboys''''''''''''''' have you converted today?

>>7334642
They should be forced femboys until they hit 30. After that they either become men or have feminization surgery everywhere except their genitals

i need wisdom and guidance

>>7335575
i need to know if i should be masc or fem

Blair white was transitioned against her will? This sounds like a lie.

>>7335654
blaire white is either a very good example of a relatively young hsts woman (that highlights the difference between nonlate-transitioning hstses and cstses -- she is much more like a femmy gay boy than a girl) or, possibly, an example of a femmy gay boy who straight up became a girl because it would be socially advantageous
insiders have claimed she experiences no or little dysphoria, and it certainly makes sense that if you're trying to curry favour with the alt-right you're better being a hot girl who has a dicc than a flaming faggot

>>7335685
Wow, over analyzing and making theories about a complete stranger. That's not creepy at all.

>>7335685
>trying to curry favour with the alt-right
Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds? Pretending to be a girl to cozy up to extreme right wing nationalists... gurl...

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>>7334642
>should we tell other people how to live their lives?

fuck off

>>7334810
why the quotes
do you mean feminine men?

>>7334642
I love having a wiener!

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>>7334642
>worry about having faggots hit on them

no one is worried about being hit on except ugly morons in denial

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>>7335992
Yooooo Blaire please pm me we've got to talk.

>>7335962
it makes perfect sense
i don't actually believe in this theory of blaire's transition, but as the devil's advocate it makes sense
someone like blaire psychologically cannot be a gender-conforming man, she has two choices:
>be gender-conforming girl, happens to have dicc, 'the only good tranny'
>be gender-non-conforming man, flaming faggot nobody will take seriously, 'everything wrong with fags'
obviously if you're trying to appeal to conservatives, especially the kind of conservatives we're talking about here, the former is better

>>7334642
all men should be transitioned, and then a select few who really really dislike it can be detransitioned. this is the safest path as we would eliminate the massive pain that comes as being a hon

>>7336104
Absolutely. How can children as young as 8 or 9 decide that they're cis? It's better to be safe now and then we can detransition them when they're 18 if they're absolutely sure

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>>7336000
RIP

>>7336104
>>7336126
Then society would have an entire generation of sterile MtF transgirls, assuming your idea of transitioning requires hormones, which neutralizes sperm production even without bottom surgery. The birthrate would drop to almost zero, causing new problems for society several decades later, when all the forcibly transitioned girls slowly age and eventually turn into hons, again assuming most transgirls don't kill themselves at a younger age because of depression, anguish, mental health problems, etc.

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>>7336854
>when all the forcibly transitioned girls slowly age and eventually turn into hons
though i agree that there are obvious glaring flaws in 'transition everyone at puberty', your logic here does not check out
hons are inherently late transitioners, an early transitioner cannot 'age into' a hon
women age terribly so some young transitioners look pretty bad in later life but a trans woman who cares for her appearance should age perfectly well by female standards

>>7334642
quit spamming this bitch
even Milo is better

Didn't read OP but I'm watching Blaire's latest video, and I love her to death but dear god will someone please fix this poor girl's makeup and maybe get her on a diet? It's like she's deteriorating before our eyes.

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>>7336873
>maybe get her on a diet
i-is she gaining weight?
she can't, she's my waifu

>>7336862
You sound like you're a bit in denial here.
>an early transitioner cannot 'age into' a hon
Not every single early transitioner has turned out to be a passing feminine girl. Some people have shit genetics or were just born ugly. A few select examples can include: being too tall, gaining weight too easily/low metabolism, large nose, big foreheads (yes even kids can have those), or unibrows.
>women age terribly so some young transitioners look pretty bad in later life
Like you said, cisgender women usually lose their feminine youthful appeal as they get older. However elderly transwomen are not exempt from this rule.
>a trans woman who cares for her appearance should age perfectly well
So would an old cis woman who takes care of her appearance.

Btw there are some inconsistencies with how the word "hon" is tossed around. Some people, like you, say only late transitioners (post-puberty according to /lgbt/) can be considered hons. Others argue that any transgirl that doesn't pass or fit neatly in the stereotypical female gender role (i.e. hyper-femininity or girly-girl personality) can also be considered a "hon", regardless of how young they transitioned.

>>7336953
>You sound like you're a bit in denial here
i'm not even mtf, not sure what i could be in denial regarding (inb4 'that', i'm ftm so that contraindicates mtf transsexualism)
>Some people have shit genetics
a pubertal transitioner with shit genes is still in a better position than a postpubertal or late transitioner with average genes because they have more ability to develop in a better direction
there are definitely 13 year old boys who look like grown-ass men (my brother is one of them), but a 13 year old trans girl in that position is NOT comparable to an 18-20 year old trans girl of average genetics even though they might bear a striking surface resemblance -- the former will experience major skeletal feminization and other things that won't happen to the latter, and if you added on another 10 or 20 years things would get even worse
>or were just born ugly
UGLY TRANS GIRLS ARE NOT HONS
where's that pugfaced bdd anon who can't accept she's just an average british chick
we need to stop perpetrating the meme that attractiveness is an aspect of passability because it's hurting people like pug-chan
the other two of those points are accurate and i have no dispute with them, but they don't make someone a hon
>Some people, like you, say only late transitioners (post-puberty according to /lgbt/) can be considered hons. Others argue that any transgirl that doesn't pass or fit neatly in the stereotypical female gender role (i.e. hyper-femininity or girly-girl personality) can also be considered a "hon", regardless of how young they transitioned.
...yeah, this is even more evidence that /lgbt/'s use of hon is stupid
for one, postpubertal transitioners are not inherently late transitioners, the earliest possible date 'late' starts is 30 for mtfs (25 for ftms)
and the second definition of hon is even more ridiculous
a hon is not just an unpassable late transitioner but a very specific subtype of that

>>7337000
>the earliest possible date 'late' starts is 30 for mtfs
>an 18-20 year old trans girl of average genetics won't experience major skeletal feminization, and if you added on another 10 or 20 years things would get even worse
Make up your mind. There's a significant age gap there you just described.

>postpubertal transitioners are not inherently late transitioners
That's only according to your own personal interpretation of what a hon is. I'm sure there are many others who would disagree. Also going through natural male puberty permanently alters the body in many different ways, some that can never be reversed. I wouldn't see much difference between a lazy person that transitioned at 20 compared to someone who transitions at 40. For cisgender people, there is only one puberty in life.

>UGLY TRANS GIRLS ARE NOT HONS
Jesus Fucking Christ, that caps lock rage! Here's how some people see it as: one, hons are ugly; two, ugly trans girls are ugly; three, ugly is ugly.

>>7337048
>Make up your mind. There's a significant age gap there you just described.
not early =/= late
a postpuberty trans girl is clearly not going to get what a trans girl five years younger than her will, but she'll be in a much better situation than ones ten years older
>That's only according to your own personal interpretation of what a hon is. I'm sure there are many others who would disagree.
yes, but that doesn't mean their definitions make any sense outside the /lgbdd/ echo chamber
>Also going through natural male puberty permanently alters the body in many different ways, some that can never be reversed
i don't think that's what's being debated here
>I wouldn't see much difference between a lazy person that transitioned at 20 compared to someone who transitions at 40
if you said 30, sure -- especially if the 30 year old had good genetics (lynn conway looks better than a lot of this board)
but 40? i think you're underestimating how much the male body changes between 20 and 40
the best midlife transitioner is barely better than the worst just-postpubertal transitioner
>Jesus Fucking Christ, that caps lock rage!
i was using it for emphasis, i may have overemphasized

>>7336896
>>maybe get her on a diet
>i-is she gaining weight?
wait really? thats my fetish time to pay attention to this person

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>>7337048
>being passing but unattractive makes you a hon
>people are unironically arguing this now

>>7336896
>i-is she gaining weight?
i checked and idk cause i dont watch her videos normally but shes like barely fat in her newest one... you can keep your waifu

>>7336896
>>7337104
>>7337127
>Implying thicc blaire wouldn't be GOAT.
I'm not even a transbian and I would dig it.

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>>7337109
Sounds like you're a bit mad, but gave up trying to defend your point. I win! Extra internet points for me! Hooray! (derp)

>>7337127
>>7337104
>>7336896

Compare the latest vid to an early one, she's put on a little. Maybe like 5-10lbs, but it really shows in her face. She's complained about it herself.

>>7337144
i'm the one you were arguing with, >>7337109 is not me
i rebutted several of your points in >>7337093
>>7337140
trans girls don't get thicc unless they're kaya/spectrumofadistantdream
thicc is a specific thing that is almost exclusive to natal female bodies

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>>7337093
>>7337167
Lynn Conway. I regret google searching her. Pic on the left was my immediate reaction to seeing her. You have very low standards bro (assuming your gender identity is male). It's almost like you're validating the claim that trans people are uglier than cis people and should be judged at a lower scale. I would continue to deconstruct your arguments, but their wasn't much substance in your counter-arguments to offer. You were pretty much repeating what you said in your earlier posts, which we already covered. Please try again.

>>7337426
'better' here means 'passable', not 'attractive' -- we've already been through this (plus she is 78 fucking years old so 'attractive' is negated)
also you didn't rebut my arguments at all, hence why i restated them

>>7337140
i want to see her be fat desu but she isnt

>>7337152
where does she complain about it? lowkey turns me on when girls do that desu

>>7334642
>Should people be forced into being what I want them to be?
thats a thrilling debate subject bruh.

>>7337093
>"a postpuberty trans girl is clearly not going to get what a trans girl five years younger than her will, but she'll be in a much better situation than ones ten years older"
You do not consider the variability of genetics.

There are very young transitioners (starting at age 14 with HRT), who turn out to be obvious hons. And I have also seen 33 year old individuals, who were on HRT for just one or two years and passed very well.

Do you not remember that 12 year old "boy", who already looked like a grown up football player? I'd rather transition late and have golden genetics than be an early transitioner with fucked up genetics and a turbopuberty tbqh.

>>7337426
You know Lynn is like 70+ right? She looks better than most of the people on this board and they are in their early 20s.

Think about this for a moment, someone that transitioned 50 years ago with shitty medical procedures compared to our current standards looks like an average / ugly 70 year old cis grandma.

That' quite an achievement but you will probably not understand this since you will most likely an hero in your 30s because you don't look like a milf pornstar or some animu character.

>inb4 hon.
To me hons and AGP like you are birds of the same feather. Leave the computer grandma alone.

>>7337466
really consider it, though
they are indistinguishable from a group of people who consistently sees massive quality-of-life improvements post-transition
there is no rarified neurological differentiation between '''''''''''''''femboys''''''''''''''' and their ilk and straight trans girls -- the two are indistinguishable on a brain scan to the best of our ability to tell today (one difference has been found in one study, but the location and context strongly implies it was caused by mtf voice training)
and it's not like the transition of feminine gay men would have any overarching negative effects -- they're not going to reproduce as is, for instance

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>>7337470
i *am* considering the variability of genetics, as i explicitly stated -- i live day-to-day with someone who if he was trans would be real fucking unlucky because he's 13 and looks like an 18-20 year old man
and i too have seen very passable 30+ transitioners
but someone who transitions young with poor genetics is better off than someone transitioning at the equivalent age (in this example just postpuberty) with average genetics, because the 13 year old can get actual structural changes that will be far milder in the adult
also keep in mind that trans people can out other trans people almost all the time, but cis people are practically fucking blind -- a lot of the hons talking about incidents in which they've been read as female are actually telling the truth (though they aren't when they extrapolate that to thinking they pass most or all of the time), and those are genuine hons who transitioned at 40+ and that even cis people can detect most of the time

>>7337426
I'm not that anon you responded to, but I just googled Lynn Conway, too, and that transwomen just looks like your generic grandma.
You are arguing that people who think like me have "very low standards". Please tell me, what are your "standards" for 70 year old women? How do you want to look, when you're 70 years old?

>>7337441
I'd encourage you to re-read my replies to your posts. We covered every topic you had to offer. Some of it was just pure silliness in my humble opinion, but I felt compelled to respond to your insipid posts.

On another note, I feel like this back-and-forth confrontation has drifted off into nowhere, and is no longer relevant to the OP. Regarding to the original post, I still believe force medicating cross-sex hormones to every male would lead to societal collapse, or undesirable results at the least, and have stated my opinions as such. You were the one who threw the first stone, forcing your unwarranted opinions down my throat about how older dickgirls shouldn't be called ugly or hons. Opinions are not facts, my comrade. And we shouldn't let emotions dictate a civil discussion. Feel free to disagree, as I have done with you.

>>7337539
>Regarding to the original post, I still believe force medicating cross-sex hormones to every male would lead to societal collapse, or undesirable results at the least, and have stated my opinions as such
>every male
dude, i'm ftm, i am very aware men exist and get mentally fucked up when you give them estrogen
i'm suggesting a very specific subtype of natal males who are indistinguishable in almost every way from a subtype of trans girls should transition
you clearly did not read that post, and you are clearly not reading my posts now, unless you have some crippling mental disability that is inhibiting your reading comprehension in which case i deeply apologise
>You were the one who threw the first stone, forcing your unwarranted opinions down my throat about how older dickgirls shouldn't be called ugly or hons
ugly =/= late transitioner or unpassable
you know there are ugly cis girls, right? fuck, most of them are beasts without makeup on
the fact you're treating attractiveness as a synonym for passability, after i have pointed out several times that makes no sense and does not fit the reality, makes it clear you're not actually reading anything written by anyone other than you in this thread
i have read your replies, and they make that equally clear

>>7337555
also if you had read my first message to you you would have noted that i was, in fact, agreeing with you on almost every point

>>7337515
I still have to disagree at some points, even though I'm sensing that our opinions on this matter may not be that different after all, but let's see.
>"i *am* considering the variability of genetics, as i explicitly stated -- i live day-to-day with someone who if he was trans would be real fucking unlucky because he's 13 and looks like an 18-20 year old man"
The first question that comes to my mind is: What kind of 18-20 year old man? I wrote about a 12 year old kid who looks like a fully grown up football player (>>7337470). But a 18-20 year old biological male can actually be highly effiminate and better "transitioning material" than same 12 year old boy.
>"but someone who transitions young with poor genetics is better off than someone transitioning at the equivalent age (in this example just postpuberty) with average genetics, because the 13 year old can get actual structural changes that will be far milder in the adult"
I don't get that, anon.
>"also keep in mind that trans people can out other trans people almost all the time, but cis people are practically fucking blind -- a lot of the hons talking about incidents in which they've been read as female are actually telling the truth (though they aren't when they extrapolate that to thinking they pass most or all of the time), and those are genuine hons who transitioned at 40+ and that even cis people can detect most of the time"
True and agreed.

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>>7337555
We have reached an impasse. What do mate?

>>7337561
>The first question that comes to my mind is: What kind of 18-20 year old man? I wrote about a 12 year old kid who looks like a fully grown up football player (>>7337470). But a 18-20 year old biological male can actually be highly effiminate and better "transitioning material" than same 12 year old boy.
roughly average -- skinny but above average adult height (he's about six foot now), defined jawline, riley j dennis adam's apple, hips maybe the slightest bit wider than male norms
pretty clearly more adult looking than the rest of any given group of eighth graders, unless that group involved the football player kid you referred to
also it's worth noting here that some research implies csts trans girls (the group that composes most early pubertal transitioners) are more physically feminine than the average natal male even if they transitioned post-puberty
>I don't get that, anon
it's fairly simple
>be 13 year old trans girl
>have turbopuberty, look like adult man
>start hrt
>despite turbopuberty, not actually an adult man
>get skeletal feminization, get stronger hrt effects (e.g. breasts that are close-ish in size to female relatives and tanner 5, perfect fat redistribution, higher likelihood of hand/foot/height shrinkage from muscle loss), get prevention of further masculinization
or
>be young adult trans girl
>have average genes, maybe even a little better than average
>still, puberty is definitely over
>start hrt
>very little skeletal feminization, still major but more muted hrt changes (small tits around tanner 3-4, okay fat redistribution), at least won't age as a guy
or
>be 30 year old trans woman
>have very good genes, still looks rather feminine
>but the s-curve of hormonal response is really crashing right about now
>start hrt
>no skeletal feminization noticeable to others, muted hrt changes (conetits, less belly), at least you won't get any worse

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>>7337555
>dude, i'm ftm, i am very aware men exist
You remind me of this transtrender youtuber who tries very hard at SJW-ing, but fails.

>>7337613
milo stewart?
how do i remind you of her? i need to know so i can purge it from my entire personality
>ywn kill milo stewart

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>>7337555
>>7337622
>i'm suggesting a very specific subtype of natal males who are indistinguishable in almost every way from a subtype of trans girls should transition
Forcing your degenerate lifestyle choices on other unsuspecting people without their consent. Absolutely disgusting. "But we LGBT people just wanna marry and be left alone". Yeah right.

>>7337648
that subtype is a part of lgbt
you really aren't good at reading comprehension, aren't you?

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>>7334642
>the existence of '''''''''''''''femboys''''''''''''''' shows simply talking them into dysphoria is strikingly successful
Are you the Oliver poster?

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>>7336873
>blaire just tweeted pic related talking about how much better she looks
>I was seriously going to post side-by-side caps last night to show how much worse she looks but thought it was too catty

gurl at least do your lips normal again, you're somehow getting LESS cis-passng as time goes on

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>>7340448
U should post his pre FFS pics

I would still hit it.

>>7340757
Not so bad who did they go to?

>>7334655
Is that because you a jealous tranny or just a bitter faggot?

>>7340787

She never got FFS, just mones. You can see her bone structure is still the same, it's just fat redistribution and contouring.

>>7336873
The way she overdraws her lips makes them look like a prolapsed anus.

>>7341020
I don't see that. Her nose and chin are literally smaller.

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>>7338598
oh fuck no
marshallposter is cancer
>>7340448
i actually think she's cuter desu
>>7340787
she pretends she didn't get it so nobody knows

Straight anon here

Feminene gay guys are pretty cool guys. Theyre typically not that sensitive and somewhat funny.

I feel like trannies are annoying cunts.

>>7341446
Why pretend it will only fills people with false hope she sounds like a cunt

>>7341568
her fanbase is almost all cis and doesn't know shit about trannies (c.f. alt-right), so she says ridiculous bullshit that only sounds good to them
c.f. the fact she thinks underage transition is child abuse
>ywn have blaire be so deeply in love with you she decides underage transition is good because you did it

>>7334642
No. Traps are just inferior females.

>>7334642

I agree with this greatly. The reason I became trans was because I thought I was to feminine, and thought I would be better off a women!

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>>7334642
You're the reason why some people still think LGBT is a joke.

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>>7334642
I would transition if i could ever pass. I'm much cuter as a stocky femboy.

I look a lot like pic related

>>7342355
Get ffs And still be femboy

>>7343459
Who's a good surgeon?

>>7343469
Idk ask the mtfs

>>7343537
Kek as if any of them would admit if they got ffs.

>>7343469
/t/ is generally a big fan of deschamps-braly
facial team is also held in high regard
cardenas is the mexican equivalent who is of decent quality and very inexpensive
(((spiegel))) is practically a war criminal, don't go to him

>>7343664
Speigel is subtle, if you're already a cute, neotenous boy and don't want to go overboard in destroying your features, then isn't he better?

I just want my face to be like it was at fourteen. Not some chipmunk I can't recognize.