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Working man edition. What do you guys do to pay the bills and what is your dream job?

Previous thread: >>7285796

Transition timelines:
http://helpfultransinfo.tumblr.com/tagged/tc

Bottom surgery info:
http://gendercube.tumblr.com/

Passing guide for AAPs:
http://ftmguide.rassaku.net/

Old sites, but still great one-stop-shops for FTM information:
http://ftmguide.org/
http://thetransitionalmale.com
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First for mcnuggies
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>>7312909
Open discussion: Is FTM transitioning inherently misandrist?
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>>7312940
Why would it be?
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>>7312940
my transition doesn't have any ulterior motive other than getting rid of dysphoria
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>>7312940
>Is MTF transitioning inherently misogynist?

u sound like a reverse terf
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>>7312940
Nah

>>7312890
I've been wondering this as well.
Is it better to switch to a new job when you pass better or just let the transition happen at your current job?
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>>7312909
>What do you guys do to pay the bills
ha
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Please be my FtM boyfriend someone

I will treat you like a king and make you feel like a man
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>>7313036
what do you look like
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>>7313044
Just ignore him
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>have to wear EKG monitor for 24 hours
>immediately react to sensor gel
>walking human rash.jpeg
>food poisoning kicks back in
This is a new level of hell
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I'm unemployed right now. previously i managed a restaurant. i should probably find a job but i've got some money saved up so there's no hurry.
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>>7313537
Did you present male or female at your manager job? Did you own it or were you daily manager only?
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>>7313557
I didn't own it, just managed operations. i started working in the kitchen and then as a shift leader and presenting as female but i transitioned within my first year there and by the time i was in charge i was presenting as male.
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>>7313582
You give me hope. It's awesome that you could get to a position like that while transitioning. I'm constantly worried that coming out trans will be a career killer.
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>>7313601
there were some people who weren't cool with it, but fortunately the owner liked me and i did a good job, so those people had to either deal with it or leave. i had it good there and i was really grateful to the owner for supporting me/giving me the opportunity, but eventually i just got burnt out and couldn't do it anymore.
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>>7312960
FTM transitioning is purposeful and planned emasculation of men through the propagation of the false narrative of women having innate knowledge of masculinity and the false notion of masculinity being born out of femininity.
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Does /lgbt/ really believe this?
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>>7313628
Yeah, the restaurant business is a lot of stress. I don't think I know anyone in that line of work who didn't burn out at some point. But good for you getting an opportunity like that. Good luck finding a new job. I hope you find something you enjoy.
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>>7313643
No wonder the suicide rates are through the roofs.

>People who don't want to date me are transphobic
>People who want to date me are transphobic too
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>>7313635
Hah ok,

>>7313643
Not sure about the first sentence but the second is referring to chasers.
But it's not like they're the only ones who'll date transpeople, no.
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>>7313635
>retard babble
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>>7313044

brunette, 5'52 mtf, very passable, they say I'm cute. I got lucky with genetics I guess.

Pre-op, functional and I like using it, if that matters
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>>7313678
Why are you replying for me

I deliberately did not reply to that post because I'm embarrassed by my appearance
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>>7313678
>5'5
lol manlet
no wonder you transitioned, pham
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>>7313635
It has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity. It's about dysphoria.
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I do filing for the maternity unit at the hospital, it's pretty damn good for my first non-Saturday job. But I want to work in the civil service.
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>>7313635
>purposeful and planned
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Today I received a letter of conscription (I live in a European kingdom, btw). It's just a short letter from the Ministry of Defense that states "You are now registered yaddayadda, we don't call you up, but in case war happens, your King owns your ass."
I was like wtf at first. But then my cis boyfriend explained that all males receive that letter when they're aged 16 - 18. They consider it some sort of quiet rite of passage to manhood.
But I'm far in my 20s and I just gotten the paperwork done a year ago.
I kind of feel flattered. It's like a letter saying "His Majesty acknowledges you to be a man (and calls up your ass in case he fucks up)".
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>>7313902
That's pretty awesome desu. if I was you Id brag about that all day.
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>>7313902
>conscription
time to go and die for israel, my man
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Whats your myers briggs type?
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>>7313983
INTP
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>>7313695
says the dickless "man" :)
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>>7313983
INTJ
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>>7314059
i love when ftm and mtf trannies argue cause they always reveal their true feelings

mtfs don't see ftms as men
and ftms don't see mtfs as women

strange you expect cis people to
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>>7314083
I see FtMs as men

Please don't make sweeping generalizations about entire groups of people
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>>7313983
Isfp
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>>7314083

I see trans women as women, you're just transphobic and see our interactions the way you wish to see them. Confirmation bias yo
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>>7314083
It's memes. Your autism is showing.
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>>7314083
grow some balls :)
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>>7314119
Pointing out a trans man's lack of a penis is pretty transphobic.
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>>7314145
Actually it's accurate
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>>7314145
>>7314154
It's the "man" part that is transphobic
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>>7314154
Everyone knows that it's accurate. I know I don't have a dick and I'll never have one. Purposefully bringing it up is rude and unnecessary.
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>>7314157
>>7314145

C'mon "guys", man up :)
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>>7314165
Don't be such a girl lol
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>>7313678
5'5", sorry haha
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>>7313695

Primary type transexuals tend to have more feminine appearance, including smaller height than the averagemale of their generation and culture.

This has been demonstrated in many studies conducted since the early 2000's. There's no known reason for this, but genetic/hormonal reasons are suspected.

Also, being a manlet is one of the best things that can happen toan mtf. I'm fucking happy of my cis height.
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>>7314165
Fat people don't like being called fat. I still call them fat.
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>>7313902
> "His Majesty acknowledges you to be a man (and calls up your ass in case he fucks up)".

Hey, your king is kind of cool... And kind of a bastard too hahaha
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>>7314127
:)
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>>7314204
what am I watching here?
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Why would anyone want to be a man?
What is it about the male body that you get dysphoric about not having?
What are the feminine physical attributes of your body which trigger your dysphoria?
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>>7314212
a grill on kikebooks profile picture
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>>7314059
lol i am not even a ftm
attacking ftms at the first opportunity just shows your true colors, hon

good going, dude
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>>7313983
>all those garbage tier types are female
wtf i hate women now
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>>7314220
>What is it about the male body that you get dysphoric about not having?
dysphoria is the distress that comes from an inability for your brain to perceive your body and your existence as the sex you were born
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>>7312996
A TERA

THERES A REASON WE DONT ALLOW FEMALE SPACE MARINES
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>>7314003
same

have some accurate intp cringe
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>>7314127
boys don't cry ;o)
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>>7313983
istp
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>>7314243
>good going, dude

Jokes on you, I'm actualy a cis bisex guy and was trolling you guys. The tranny that first replied to you wasnt even insulting you. Just me, sorry it was just funny to me.

I wanted to start a mtf vs ftm war but whatevs.

Just wanna make it clear that I do consider you guys men and am sorry if any feelings got hurt.

If it makes you feel better I do the same at mtf threads
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>>7313983
me mum is ISTJ

rate, gang
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>>7313635
why the fuck do you speak? you have no thoughts in your head
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>>7313651
trans is pretty much equivocable to mental illness - hence modern science being the only (cure)
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>>7313983
ISTP or ISFP, I'm not sure which.
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>>7314272
gg pham
gg
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>>7313983
ISFJ
>tfw
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>>7314083
>>7314059
>no i troll you
>'solidarity'
fuck you peasants
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>>7314272
>I wanted to start a mtf vs ftm war
don't you have to get up for school soon?
your gonna miss the bus
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>>7313983
INTJ used to be INTP

Where's this chart from?
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>>7313983
INTJ

>>7314272
Cool, truly the most original argument seen in decades. wew never seen that before. Really got us good brev.
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>>7312909

money just kinda happens + my s/o...

>>7313983

enfp

>>7314083

i see transchicks as chicks and transguys as guys... when you get to know someone who's either you start to see that they're not the same as someone who's cis... there's something different...
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>>7314272
>mtf vs ftm war
But I love ftms and am desperately trying to get cute as fast as I can so that someone from /ftmg/ will notice me
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>>7314339
>when you get to know someone who's either you start to see that they're not the same as someone who's cis... there's something different...
As in a trans guy isn't the same as a cis guy or a trans guy isn't the same as a cis girl? and the opposite for mtfs
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>>7314355
l-love u
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>>7314220
I don't want to be a man. I am a man, but in a female body. That's what gives me dysphoria.
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>>7314059
Way to target all ftms in your insult towards one person
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>>7314365
I love you too
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>>7314364

a transguy isn't the same as a cis chick and a transchick isn't the same as a cis guy... whenever i've really spoken to someone trans i start to forget they aren't cis whatever they identify as... and it's not even the visual cuz that's online and shit too... i don't gotta see them, there's just a difference in the way they think and the shit they say... and even like the way they respond to me and i can talk to them... talking to a transchick is just like talking to a cis one and vice versa

i'm so fucking drunk i probably said the same shit like 5 times different ways my bad... all i've done today is drink and chill with my s/o and his sis (she's living with us and my little bro right now)
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>>7314372
Thats not how biology works you moron. A male isnt a brain, its the whole body. Yours is female. You completely lack the Y cromosome even if the are for gender identity in your brain got masculinized.
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>>7314430
*the area for gender identity in your brain
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>>7314430
Is an intersex woman, who was born with outward appearing female genitalia and a y chromosome not a woman?
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>>7314445
No, they're a nigger
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>>7314430
I didn't say I was male anywhere in my post. I am a man and my body is unfortunately female.
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>>7314461
bet u thought this was funny too
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>>7314083

MtF here, FtM are men in my radar.

Don't base your assumptions on anecdotal evidence
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>>7314430
There's actually a lot of studies about how a male brain differs from a female and this is usually what causes transgender issues
But if you're baiting, I doubt you care much for real counterarguments.
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>>7313983
infp here
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>>7313983
ENTP last time I did the test.
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>>7313983
INTJ
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>>7313983
Either INTP or INTJ. It seems to change with each test I take.
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>>7313983
INTJ
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>>7313983
ISTJ
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Would you guys be offended if someone who's normally only attracted to women liked you? Not because they consider you a woman, just because they don't like having sex with men, but you don't have a penis.
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>>7315248
Do you happen to have a trans guy you like, anon?
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>>7315285
Yeah. I don't really know him that well but I was just wondering how he might feel about it since I'm not usually into guys.
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>>7315248
i wouldn't,
but i'd make it clear you don't see him as a woman, if they're a tumblr type they might get offended
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>>7315300
As long as you view him as a guy, I don't think he'd have anything to be offended about.
I'd say you have nothing to lose and can't go wrong with giving it a shot.
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>>7315335
>>7315338
Ok, thanks for your advice senpaitachi. I'll try to get to know him better at least
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>>7315404
Can I ask what his name is, anon? This may be wishful thinking but I'm in a situation where my mostly straightish friend possibly likes me back. And he seems the type to browse 4chan.
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>>7312909
Right now I'm leaching off of student loan money and I have a work study position as an after hours door monitor. I get paid to sit there, make sure people scan their IDs, and dick around on my laptop. I've also done some freelance illustration and coloring work. Brought in a month's worth of utilities coloring some kids books a while back.

Once I'm done with college I want to work on self publishing comics+graphic novels. Ideally I'd have my own printing studio and would do printing and publishing work for other indie comic artists. I'm also interested in being a teaching artist at schools and summer camps and such
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Any tips on minimizing hip size? I've got pretty wide hips and thighs that I'd like to try and slim down if I can since they're one of the biggest things that keep me from passing. I've been looking into compression wear and stuff but I figured I'd see if any of y'all have recommendations
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>>7315511
It's Eli
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I'm almost 5'4 and look feminine as hell and if I transition I'll have to abandon my family which isn't that bad but financially questionable. What do lads
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>>7315617
I dunno, are you a man or not?
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>>7315617
I'm 5'4" too and abandoned my family to transition. Had to wait until I got out of high school to do it in a safe, stable way. Wait until it's safe to or go ahead and go after it with whatever obstacles in your way
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>>7315636
I'm a man, and my friends accept me but not the family
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>>7314189
trans women who use their dicks aren't csts, which is the 'primary' type you refer to that are physically feminized
you're just coincidentally 5'5"
>>7315552
i bet he thought aiden was too common :^)
>>7315617
transition and work out the issues while you do it
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>>7315552
Robbie?
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>>7315671
Comforting to know that we were in similar situations, I'm glad it worked out safe for you. Reassuring
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>>7315710
No, but that would have been pretty cool. Good luck
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>>7312998
bumpin' this question
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>>7312909
I stuff teddy bears as a part time job, while studying animation and video game design.
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I'm curious about something. When i first came out as trans my first choice for my new name was actually Aiden. This was before i was engaged in the community and found out it was ridiculously popular for ftms. I changed to Thomas instead.

Why is Aiden such a popular ftm name?
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>>7315531
Do cardio, lose weight. Build muscle in the upper body to balance out the shoulder to hip ratio.
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>>7316551
No idea but it is definitely one of the really popular baby trans names. Names ending in -aden are really common in newly out trans guys for some reason
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>>7316568
They really are. New age sounding shit happens a lot. I always wonder why there are not more: Logan, Robert, Brain, and Johns.
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>>7316551
>not spelling it Aydwn and pronouncing it the same way
Pleb
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>>7316563
oookay I'm doing that but I was asking for something to help in the short term
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>>7316551
i think aiden is overstated as a popular ftm name -- names like lucas, silas, eli, kai, and emmett are far more common
the names trans guys pick for themselves are the same names their peers pick for their babies. every age cohort has a very similar idea of 'good names' and will use them on the people they can name, which for most is the people they conceive. aiden and skylar were popular for male babies for a while and thus became popular for trans guys, but now they're falling in popularity so other ftm names are more common.
also, i feel like every trans guy who picks a classic name is james, thomas, or will (just will)
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>>7316581
Oh yeah totally. New age sounding shit can work if it sounds cool, but a lot of teenagers pick those names and poorly.
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>>7316586
You can't make your hips magically thinner in the short term. There are some tricks you can do to help your silhouette some with clothes, but the aforementioned advice is essentially the best you can get.
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Is it common for FtMs who don't pass yet to surround themselves with female friends, especially lesbians?

I seem to be pretty stealth and I've noticed that the obvious baby trans guys at University are surrounded by lesbians constantly, while I will chat up girls off and on but will also hang out for long periods with male-only peer groups.
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>>7316600
Yeah. I picked an older name, one which several classmates in elementary shared because I wanted a name that matched my generation.
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>>7316551

"Avery" as well. I know at least 4 FTM "Averys".
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>>7316610

Probably because that's still their peer group. Girls don't hang out with groups of only men often, especially in college.
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>>7316657
That's funny cause one of my friends' first name is Avery. he goes by his middle name, Michael, because most people he's encountered see Avery as a girls name
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>>7316610
I've had almost all guy friends for the past 5 years, and that was well before I began my transition. I like hanging out with girls fine, but I tend to bond more with guys.
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>>7316670
It just seems odd to me. That more than anything left me unsure if one of the guys was trans or just a masculine dyke. That and their Steven Universe obsession.

>>7316729
I make friends all over the place. Drives my Introvert spouse nuts. They come home and I'll have gotten a neighbour, I'll have just met, over to randomly clean our gutters with me or other bull shit. I'm not even sure how it happens. I'll just be shooting the shit and suddenly I have people over with ladders and we're up on the roof repairing shingles. Makes for funny stories.
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>>7316817

I know a few butch dykes who tried transitioning for a while and later dropped it. Maybe they're just figuring they're shit out. Either way, if you start out as a dyke, other dykes are often your main friend circle.
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>>7316817
>That and their Steven Universe obsession
This is how you distinguish between faggotry and normalcy. Always. Check that tumblr for SU.
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>>7316817

SU is a red fuckin' flag.
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>>7312909
My parents pay my bills as long as I'm in college but I want to drop out soon so I can have more free time. I work as a night auditor at a hotel and I think it's one of the best jobs ever because I don't have to interact with people much and there's no boss watching me and I have downtime. My dream job would probably be working from home as a programmer and getting a high enough pay that I only have to work a few hours, but idk if that's even possible. I also get money from donating plasma.
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>>7313678
Cutie please go out with me.
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>>7316526
Build a bear?
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>>7313983
istp
>>7314220
>What is it about the male body you get dysphoric about not having
A dick first and foremost, a flat chest, deep voice, height
>What are the feminine physical attributes of your body which trigger your dysphoria
My vagina, my tits, girly voice, babyface.
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>>7316610
Men try to fuck pre t ftms too much to befriend them
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>>7317663
So I noticed. I had a male friend who I told at the beginning I didn't want any romantic relationship with anyone. I thought he was okay with that + we were total bros. But then he broke up with his girlfriend and started behaving weird. Turns out he was in love with me.

Does anyone feel like straight men would fuck anyone with a female body unless they were like really, really ugly?

I miss having a bro friendship so much.
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>tfw no FtM bf
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>>7317795
>Does anyone feel like straight men would fuck anyone with a female body unless they were like really, really ugly?
But nobody's tried to fuck m- oh. Brutal.
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>>7317822
No homo
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>>7312909
>turning lifes difficulty from easy to veteran
wew
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>>7317937
Pension wise, being veteran is life on easy mode :^)
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>>7317190
Yup!
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>>7316864
SU is goddamn lame, so many of the animation students are into it. Especially the unattractive aut lesbians.
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>>7316526
>spends his time stuffing bears
Lewd
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I feel like a ftm trapped in a male body.
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>>7317795

I've been friends with men almost exclusively my entire life and no one's ever expressed desire to fuck me, even pre-T girlmode.
They're surrounded by women who are actually trying to be fuckable (if not always in their direction), why would they bother trying to go for a friend whom they know's a lost cause?

Maybe it's a culture thing, because the whole concept of falling for a friend is so fucking rare among anyone I've ever known. This whole notion that men can't be friends with women is just total absurdity to me.
Like sure, hypothetically anyone'd pretty much fuck anyone who looks half decent if there were no consequences. But what kind of retard lets that go to their head so much that they can't be friends with people? Imagine thinking that way and being bisexual, christ.

Ey, maybe that's the real root of homophobia, and biphobia among the gays, they're all just scared to give themselves oneitis for literally everybody, because they don't realise that it's possible to acknowledge that someone's fuckable without staying up all night writing your names together in love hearts and planning your wedding.

Maybe it's religious influences and anti-sex morality, like why Frollo went crazy and demanded Esmerelda marry him or die because he couldn't handle his sinful boner.
>Hot bod, would fuck- oh shit, it must be love!

But I think a lot of people probably just nurse feelings for the sake of them, because it feels romantic and dramatic to desire someone, and so they choose to prioritise that feeling over building an actual friendship. I'll admit, this is something I've been guilty of (just once, lesson learned), so call it projection or call it experience in the field, idk.

People are weird.
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>>7318044
Male to Dickless Manlet? MtDM?
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>>7318044

I know you're probably just avin a giggle, but funny story, I actually 'felt like a mtf in a female body' (or thought I did) when I was growing up, just because I powerfully related to trans people in some way, but had no idea that trans men could exist. Very confusing time.
Anyone else similar?
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>>7317795
I have a guy friend who I wish was into me. Far as I know he's unaware that I'm trans, aside from one other trans fella and a faggy who dropped out last quarter I don't talk about this stuff at school.

Buddy is my type, though. Brunette, scruffy, low end of average height. I could pick him up bridal style if I wanted.

For awhile I was picking up "maybe" signals from him. He tended to stand closer than necessary. Maintain eye contact longer than others... and was very tactile with me. Now that he got a gf I miss random hugs from less cute bro.

His hands shake when I talk to him sometimes... but that's probably something else. I think his gf is trying to fast track him into marriage. Dangerzone.
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>>7318063
I'm not actually avin a giggle. It's a legitmate feeling even though it doesn't make any sense to me.
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>>7318067

Then maybe you're going through the same sort of thing I did, and are actually a confused mtf.
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>>7318113
Meh, my spouse considers themselves a drag queen with "factory issued ladyparts".
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How likely is it for guys to get angry if they got pegged by a 'girl' with a strapon and later found out it is a pre-T transguy and the guy is transitioning into full male mode?
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Hi.

Anyone feel like telling their Good End transition stories? I'm feeling pretty hopeless atm and I think it would cheer me up to hear about other folks overcoming some rough shit to get where they wanted to be.
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>>7318160
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>>7318142
faux queens are pretty common
>>7318160
most transition stories are good end, but the 'good end' tends to involve not being in trans communities, especially 4chan ones
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>>7318156
Depends on a lot of variables. Anger issues, their own cock hungriness, their level of internalized homophobia, their star sign, if mercury is in retrograde, your proximity to ley lines... shit like that.
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>>7318187
>but the 'good end' tends to involve not being in trans communities, especially 4chan ones

LOL Yep.
I'm only back because the recent political shift in America has me antsy. I'll ghost out again soon.
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>>7318184
>>7318187
>>7318201
Fair enough, lol. Hurrr, I forgot to assume that everyone on 4chan is just as miserable as I am. Where is my head?
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>>7318192
Thank you for your invaluable opinion. We are truly graced by your presence.
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>>7318215
NP. Here, have a happy pupper.
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Sup bros I come here from mtfg looking for advice

I've been with my gf for a long time, years now. And they're amazing, they're supporting me through my transition and just generally wonderful and kind.
Now they insist that they're not Trans, or even non binary or anything but they experience really bad dysphoria. They said they like being a woman and looking like one but have extremely bad genital dysphoria. To the point where doing things besides using a realdoe during sex has made them break down in tears a few times.
They said it's something that they hate and constantly think about.
Idk about how it is for ftm but that's pretty common with pre transition mtf, I've heard it before. I just want to know how to support them and make sure they make the right choices for them.

I love them so much. Nothing would ever make me leave. I don't care if they're a guy or a girl or anything. And attraction is not an issue either. They're incredibly attractive as a woman and would make a really handsome guy too. They used to look at ftm timelines in secret years ago, and used to ask if I'd stay with them if they transitioned a lot.

Idk I'm kind of rambling here.

I constantly reassure them that I love them and would stay no matter what. And try to be as supportive as I can. What should I do?
Is there anything else I can do?
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>>7318219
You're welcome, anon.
Feel free to buy my book, "How to come out as a Tranny after ploughing you man's butthole" - online or at any reputable book vendor- for only 3 easy payments of $19.99
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>>7318279
Sounds like one of us.
Tell him to man up and stop crying.
J/K
But seriously, if they can afford therapy get them in to speak with a non-fundie gender friendly shrink. They got some issues, Lucy.
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>>7318279
Sure she didn't get raped?
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>>7318352
Yeah we're going to get them a therapist anyway because of me and having to deal with my transition and all that shit.

>>7318361
Well they always had these issues.
I should add its not just sex that it applies to, it's every part of it.
Once they told me that they used to dress in dude clothes and draw facial hair on but stopped because they looked too much like a girl and it hurt
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Does T shrink tits? My doc keeps insisting it does but I've been told by other people that it doesn't.
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>>7318044
>>7318063

I actually felt kinda the same way growing up - I would look at pictures of trans women and feel jealous of their shoulder width, masculine facial proportions etc as it didn't make me question my own closeted identity as opposed to wanting to be like cis men would have

T b h I think I wouldn't have any problem if I was a crossdressing cis guy. Most of my dysphoria comes from having this weird body like wtffff
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>>7318378
>Once they told me that they used to dress in dude clothes and draw facial hair on but stopped because they looked too much like a girl and it hurt
Dindingding What is a transguy for 400 Alex.
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>>7318391
https://www.realself.com/question/ftms-breasts-hormones
https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/4f7xp7/question_about_breast_shrinkage_on_testosterone/
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>>7318409
Yeah that was a huge thing for me because I was the exact same pre hrt.
But on the other hand it really feels like they like being a woman. Whenever I bring up them maybe being a guy and transitioning they insist they are happy how they are just for a few things. And they love makeup and looking femme too. I dunno I think they should just get in therapy I guess.

But I just need to know how to help them reach whatever point they need to be at
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>>7318440
>>7318409
But I guess that doesn't mean anything because when I was repressing I used to work out and be really happy with being swole
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>>7318440
Sounds like they'd be most comfy in the body of a "shemale" (very sorry if the term offends, I'm not sure how else to put it when someone deliberately seeks that setup), and doesn't identify with the non-binary label. I can understand how messy that would feel, especially since every one you see like that comes in from the AMAB side. Well... I second all the calls for therapy and hope you simply continue to encourage your partner to do what makes them feel right!
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>>7318500
I've tried to explain to them that they can fit the non binary label but all they say is "i was born female and identify as female I'm can't be non binary". I think they're afraid of me or other people thinking they're l a snowflake trender as they've said.

Lol dw I'm not offended. Where they're at now that sounds like what they want but idk things change.
I'll get them to see a therapist. Thanks so much for helping. I honestly don't know where else to ask or what to do
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>>7318544
It's cool. Glad you caught this thread when it is at its least trollish.
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>>7318047
I also tended to think friendship is possible even if they're attracted to the other's gender. But my experience taught me otherwise. 100% of guys I wanted to be friends with wanted to date\fuck me. I know this sounds cool but it's actually not when they see me as a woman and like those parts of my appearance that I hate.

>>7318066
>his gf is trying to fast track him into marriage
That sounds like he's not that much into it. I hope he gets tactile with you again :D
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>>7318544
Honestly before I came out I was very femme, very much the "I'm a WOMAN and I LOVE IT" kinda person. Your gf sounds like they need to really, actually think about their gender for a while instead of pushing their feelings down.
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>>7318634
I guess I got lucky.
Thanks again

>>7318818
They don't like their hips and breasts either but think they just needs to lose weight. Even though they're not overweight at all.
It seems like every thing that points to them being Trans there's an excuse for. And ngl I recognize a lot of that from myself. Maybe I'm just projecting though.

Like were you happy even superficially when you were done up femme?

Yeah I'm trying to just make them feel OK talking to me about it even if they won't see someone or do anything about it. Just support them through whatever feelings they're trying to deal with rn
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>>7318886
I was happy superficially, but I definitely felt weird about it all deep down. For a while I thought my top dysphoria was because my breasts weren't big enough even though they're DDDs!
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>>7318897
That is exactly how I was with my dysphoria. Completely the same.
They had a hard time trying to understand that when I tired to explain to them lol

I think therapist is the best thing if they'll go
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How do you resist the urge to eat junk? I'm trying to lose weight for my top surgery but I keep giving into temptation.
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>>7319048
Don't buy it in the first place
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>>7319048
Get into cooking. Junk food taste like crap when you learn how to make proper food just the way you like it.
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>>7316817
>>7316878
>>7316864
I've noticed only lesbians like SU. Not even kids, like the show's intended.

Is it bad that I judge ""other transmen"" if they like SU?
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>>7319048
Actively seek out healthier options. >>7319115 has a point. You'll stop craving junk food if you get used to better things. Sugar and fat disgust me now.
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>>7319138
>>7319138
I casually like SU. I'm not retarded about it, though. I actually need to catch up on a lot of episodes.
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>>7319160
Lesbians gasp and clutch their pearls if you say you're not into SU as an animation student. Plot is boring, art is mediocre.
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>>7319238
>never heard of SU
>google it
>some shitty kid cartoon
Adults actually watch this? Is it a meme like my little pony?
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>>7319160
Same.
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>check out your local trans support group
>it's all cosplaying yaoi-loving "gay transboys" who only date other "gay transboys" and are totally not just fujo lesbians
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>>7319252
Lesbians like the women warrior alien/whatever things in their amazon chick only species.

It's crap, but has MLP level obsessive fans.
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>>7318897
>>7318933
Same. I thought wearing more make up , being more like the women who are considered beautiful would solve my problem. I got my earlobes pierced so I could wear flashy earrings like the other gals and I felt so stupid wearing them eventually. It just made me feel worse.
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>>7319313
Ugh. Those.
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>>7319252
It's just Tumblr: The Animation
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>>7318886
>>7318897
>>7319324
>Like were you happy even superficially when you were done up femme?
Same thing to me, as well. I never really explored my self/gender expression, I just kinda let other people indirectly decide things for me.
>"Oh you look so pretty with your hair up!"
>styles my hair daily
>etc.
I'm pretty pissed that I wasted so much time trying to please other people that I had no idea what I wanted for myself.
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>>7318897
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I thought my top dsyphoria was just because I wanted smaller breasts! (I have Gs) My mom always complained about back pain from her similarly sized chest, so I assumed that all girls with a large chest wanted to chop them off.
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>>7319138
Personally I love it, but I'm big on cartoons, animation, and family media in general. Going to see Moana again next Friday.
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>>7319804
Not busty myself, but every single busty girl I know wants a reduction because of the back problems, so I wouldn't entirely discredit it based on that.
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>>7319804
Kek. I thought so too. Got genuinely surprised when a chubby friend said she didn't want to lose weight because she 'might lose the tits'.
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>>7319313
did they pass in any way?
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>>7319313

Yeah, that's the state of things in my town as well.
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>>7318279

Been following this whole post chain and jesus h christ guys, you're really getting in the way of my repression here. If I had a mtf gf I'd swear you were talking about me.
I literally told myself yesterday "I'm not """dysphoric""" about my hips, I just feel fat even though I'm slim and their width is a natural feminine ratio! A-And feeling fat is totes girly, tee hee <3 Whelp, better keep liftan for dat masc- I mean, skinny physique"

I keep telling myself I'll give it 6 months/years, to wait until I get swole and/or financially stable, and see how I feel then. But in the mean time I just keep flip flopping between one certainty and another.
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>>7320025
Presumably not.
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>>7319313
Ugh. Gross.
Also, I never understood why lesbians like yaoi. I mean, I like yaoi, but I'm into dudes, so....
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Trying to get my first one. The only call back I've gotten was from hottopic. I was hoping to get a job at a local game store, but I'm too much of a wimp to apply in-person.
I'll honestly be happy for anything though.

>>7316526
>applied for build a bear
>Just sent animation portfolio
This fucked me up anon.

>>7319048
Have some self-control and don't eat it.
Protein Chef and fitmencook are good starting places to learn cooking if that's what you have trouble with.

>>7319313
I had a fujoshit try to get with me when I was starting on T. She was clingy and annoying, and called herself a demiboy. Made me stop being a sjw, at least.
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>>7320537
LoL

Fujo demis are a plague. It's like the new bi for boys' attention. I think my spouse hoped that my end goal was "pretty Japanese school boy" instead of "ugliest version of Wolverine to see print".

Oh well.
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What's a good short haircut I can get without looking like a bull dyke? I need to have a clean shave for some job interviews.
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>>7320599
Are you not passing as a guy yet? How long is your hair?
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>>7320612
I have no problem passing. Even before HRT and top surgery and my legal name I was called he. It's just me over thinking and not wanting to look like a bull dyke.
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>>7320599
Avoid the up floppy front thing. That is the biggest dyke shit ever.

If you want tight on the sides then leave the top long enough to side part.
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>>7315690
>trans women who use their dicks aren't csts,

You'd be surprised to know the truth

In my friend circle we're 4 girls, and me and other one, who is an exemplary case of hsts, do use our cocks sometimes. We both considered SRS but int hte end we'd prefer to stay this way
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>>7320599
Down in front seems less dyke but can be a pain depending on how things your hair at the hairline is
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>>7320599
Bit longer on the sides, pronounced side part. Like Colbert.
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>>7319048
>mfw schedule top surgery end of december
>trying to loose weight cause I'm too cheap and I don't wanna pay for lipo with it
>thanksgiving hits and gain a few pounds
>finals are two weeks from now and I'm still eating like it's gonna raise my gpa
>after that it's the holidays so I'm going to be eating constantly before my surgery
at least I'm still on the skinny side of normal

>>7319313
nigga if you're on 4chan and you're not at least a fudanshi you're doing shit wrong
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>>7312909
is 22/23 too late to transition?

i'm turning 20 in a month, but im a highschool dropout and just starting college in january and probably wont be able to support myself for a few years

i already pass,, for reference
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>>7320793
>Avoid the up floppy front thing. That is the biggest dyke shit ever.
Pics?

I'd love to get a haircut like your pic or >>7320801 but with my non-passing babyface, I'd just look like maximum babydyke.
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>>7320806
>on 4chan and you're not at least a fudanshi

More than a little bit true.
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>>7320824
>Pics

This shit. Even when the bangs are clipped short any guy, even cis, with any soft features just look like fat dykes.
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>>7320853
Ah. Damn, I like that hairstyle but I've avoided doing it because, well, soft features.
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>>7320815
Nah, dude, it's fine at that age. I'm 32 and I'm only 5 months on T. Progress is looking good.
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>mtf seeks ftm
>ftm seeks mtf

why dont you faggots just live like normal people and just cross dress privately.

avoids the permanent alterations to your body, which by and large make you uglier and weird looking.
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Any other guys here who have/want long hair? I just don't want to be crucified for not being hypermasculine, or a weird caricature. I think I'll end up passing just fine after a few months. Started T a few weeks ago.
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>>7320901
crossdressing isnt enough to relieve dysphoria in the majority of cases.
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>>7320901
>look dad i made a post on /lgbt/!

>>7320902
You can get away with it just fine, men have ponytails or that new bun trend. Cis guys get mistaken for girls too though, so don't let it discourage you.
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>>7320806
I made the mistake of getting lypo during top surgery. I still have dog ears. Surgeons don't want you to have a flat chest if you are chubby because it just looks funny. Or change your date until you are at your ideal weight.
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>>7320902
My hair is getting pretty long, almost to my shoulders now. However I wanted my hair to be more masculine so I shaved all around the sides, only the top is long, like Pagan Min, but longer.
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>>7320830
Shit tier pairing desu.
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>>7320793
My current haircut looks like this. Fml
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>>7320934
>Surgeons don't want you to have a flat chest if you are chubby because it just looks funny

I am fucking fat as fuck, like over 200lbs, and my top surgery went beautifully. Doctor didn't say shit to me about my weight, was only concerned about my meds and smoking.
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>>7320901
females cant cross dress
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>>7321077
Explain?
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>>7319048

you just eat better food... plenty of healthy food is good just eat fruit and nuts and whatnot and pick healthier junk food options + cook...

though honestly you can eat like shit and lose weight, i've lost a few lbs without trying since i moved back to brooklyn (went from 108 - 100) and i eat worse than i did...

>>7320902

my hair is past my shoulders... it's been short before, but i don't prefer it that way...
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>>7321104

is a good junk food substitute* my bad... drunk left out half of those words
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>>7313983
INTP/ISTP, it's always somewhere around 50% with intuition/sensing and im too lazy to go retake it right now
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>>7320979
Good job
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>>7321080
female clothing/hairstyles belong solely to females

male clothing/hairstyles are intersex, and no one thinks a female wearing them is dressing like a man
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>>7321080
Men clothes are just clothes. Unless you are a gorilla it's hard to wear clothes that accentuate your manlyness.

Respectively people have been designing tools to accentuate and imitate female beauty for thousands of years.
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>>7320902

I've got long hair, but I'm just a metal head so it's not out of place at all, most guys I know either have long hair or no hair
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>>7321162
I can understand that idea, but that pretty much means that gendering clothing is a social construct, right?

But then you have to think about girls who dress as male characters from video games or anime, are they not cross dressing? What about drag kings, they're obviously cross dressing too. How do you explain that?
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>>7321080

Different anon, but women wearing men's clothing is totally acceptable, doesn't really count as the same thing as when a man does it.
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>>7320824
Bouncing off of this, but what are good hairstyles for soft/fat faces?
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>>7321217
>drag kings
What they wear isn't everyday clothing
It's an over the top demonstration of masculine dressing

We don't want to look female in male clothes, we want to look like ordinary dudes, and ordinary dude clothes are ordinary clothes women wear as well.
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Was a carpenter for commercial framing. Not bad if you don't want a life and want to be surrounded by heavy drug users.
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>>7321278
>carpentry
>drugs
You shouldn't use the machines+tools when high o_O
Was it safe?
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>>7320959
Shhhh... they're adorable.
Clark Greg gives me hope for my future attractiveness, thinning hair and all.
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>>7320962
Stop that shit.
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>>7321317
Not really, this was my first offical carpentry job. After a while I've just seen too much shit. My last straw was when a whole wall fell on to a supervisor and a framer. Walked out and never went back.
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>>7316595
>emmett the baby ftm
Don't oppress me, I love my special snowflake name.
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>>7321393
Stop what
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>>7321400
Good for you, it sounds like a shitty place. What do you do now?
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>>7321317

a lot of people in jobs like that are on drugs or drunks... it's what my alcoholic uncle does for a living another who's a drug addict uncles is a welder... my dad used to do that shit when he was heavy into coke... and like my s/o has alcoholic and drug users uncles who did that shit too (one of them actually used to work with my dad when they were both younger) and all of them worked with a bunch of people who were into that kinda shit too...

honestly when you're on something all the time and are used to doing shit high or drunk it's not that big of a deal... that just becomes your normal state and you know how to function that way and get used to it... then doing it sober is what feels weird + you just get a little high or drunk not completely shitfaced...
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>>7321421
Inbound customer service representative and occasionally installing solar panels.
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>>7321424

another who's a drug addict was a welder* my bad writing 2 different sentences at once... my s/o's sis threw valerian in the wine and we took some other shit... feels like a bit like mixing xanax with alcohol
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>>7321424
I will admit I am a heavy pot user. I didn't go to work under the influence. Not with all the mistakes and shit happening.
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>>7321424
Oil rig jobs are like that too. Any job with a lot of young dudes who make a lot of money basically developed that level of nonsense. It's the cause of dishonorable discharges in most branches of the military too. Drinking less so... but it's more common than the drugs.
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If a trans guy is dysphoric, typical trans according to typology, etc, but he likes yaoi, is he still trans or is he a filthy trender? Debate.
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>>7316595

my name is normal for the year i was born and not on the list... my grandpa started calling me andy after he had a stroke, and it just kinda stuck... so technically it's andrew, but no one calls me that, just andy... wouldn't have picked it (not that i could make a decision like that on my own anyway) but eh not like people normally pick their names anyway...
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>>7321469
I don't think anyone would argue that he's a trender. If someone has dysphoria, they're trans. Plenty of guys here are gay or bi, that doesn't have anything to do with the validity of their trans-ness.
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>>7321469
Yeah. The red flags are the ones who don't have dysphoria and don't want to transition.
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>>7321513
This.

Some cis guys are into yaoi, it isn't a deal breaker. Looking all the weeaboo trans guys. I'm not a fan of Japanese style male slash though. Too formulaic, and I dislike the seme/uke dynamic.
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>>7321469
Huh. Well, I loved yaoi when I was younger. It actually helped me realize that I wanted to be/I am a gay man. I still like yaoi, but I'm not as crazed about it like how I was when I was 18. I'm 32 now. In the middle of this time gap, I kind of forgot that I was trans. Had a boyfriend who was fucking autistic levels of nuts and tons of drama with not only friends but family too. I remembered that I was trans 4 years ago when I was looking at tumblr. Yes, I know that makes me something horrible, but I remember everything that I felt when I was 18 all at once and I turned to my new and not insane boyfriend and said, "Honey, I think I'm transgender." and he said, "Cool."

We're married now and I'm 5 months on T and 8 months post top surgery. I've never felt better in my whole life and it was all thanks to yaoi manga.
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>>7321466

yeah i get that... my s/o is the same way with work, he doesn't like going in high usually... though when he was unloading trucks he did all the time, but when he worked as a cook he didn't... depends on you and the job i suppose

i've never had a job where it was risky to be shitfaced so i've worked high on oxys, and weed + pcp and i used to drink sometimes during lunch breaks too

>>7321467

yeah i'm not really surprised, a lot of guys in my family who have had jobs like that have been alcoholics or addicts... same with my s/o + other guys i've just known like one of my old dealers did some shit with heavy machinery and he was on a bunch of shit... and another one of my old dealers used to chop down trees and shit and he was a heroin addict + smoked weed
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>>7321513
Yeah I totally don't understand that. Like then why not just call yourself what you are, a girl in boys clothing. I don't get it.
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>>7321570
How does one forget that they're trans?
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>>7321649
It was a lot of really, really bad experiences and family issues. My parents got divorced, I had a horrible boyfriend, my friends were all shit heads, had PTSD from a car accident, was severely depressed and experimenting with medications. I clearly remember getting very angry when one of my friends would remind me that I was trans. I think I was very much trying to push it out of my mind as well. I was already fat and unhappy, why would I want to be trans too?
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>>7321715
I guess I'd use the word "repression" more than "forgetting" in that case.
Being introduced to yaoi near my sexual awakening sort of helped me realize that my body issues were dysphoric, too. I always felt weird about my body, and during my early teen years tried to feminize myself more in order to make it go away, but that just made me feel worse. I figured out I was trans when I was 16 when I learned what it was. It just clicked, "That's me, that's what I need to do."
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>>7321649
>>7321715

Also my karate master tried to fuck me, thankfully that didn't happen, but it really caused a shit ton of drama in the school.
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>>7321734
>tried to feminize myself more in order to make it go away, but that just made me feel worse

I totally fucking did that too. I look back at the pictures and I just don't know who I was at that stage of my life. I look like a fucking alien.
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>>7321750
Same.

My mom would joke that I acted shutter the MOAR clothes I put on.

Because it was a costume, mom. A costume.
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>>7321825
Sluttier*
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>>7321734

i did the really feminine shit too... but it was more that people kinda knew i was trans and it scared the shit outta me that people could tell cuz i wanted to repress it forever and just be "normal" and not deal with shit like coming out and whatnot + being from an abusive catholic family made that shit scary...

so i thought i could hide it, but it made my dysphoria worse and led to me binding in private and shit... felt like i was lying to everyone and putting on a show and i couldn't stand it... made it about 2 years like that, but when i did come out no one was surprised so it didn't do much...
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>>7321833

+ and i mean like people knew without me saying it... it's always been weird to me that people usually just automatically know i'm bi and trans and shit and always have
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mtf requesting ftm boyfriend

please respond
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>>7321833
Speaking of shitty families,
I live with my Nan because my parents are unsupportive, and in fact would actively do everything they could to prevent me from transitioning or being called by my name/male pronouns in everyday life if they could. When I was in highschool and came out, they sent a letter to the faculty of my school telling my teachers to not call me by my chosen name and shit.
They've known I'm trans for almost five years now, and I've been living with my Nana and her husband for two. I invited them over to the house a few weeks ago to tell them that I'd started T, as I figured it'd just be respectful for them to know. I tried to give them another opportunity to start using the correct name and pronouns, and tried to explain that I can't have them in my life if they don't for my own and their safety. I live in the deep south, and I don't want some crazy nut harrassing me or my family because my parents decided to out me once I pass enough to be stealth-- not to mention it's just shitty not to call someone by their name.
They basically said that their beliefs/opinion/whatever on the matter haven't changed, and won't, and my mother actually told me she "prays that I'll wake up one day years from now and realize that I've made a mistake and turn my life over to Jesus."
My mom wants me to ruin my life by spending thousands of dollars on transition just to detransition so I can meet her standards for how my life should go. She's also convinced that "the medical/psychiatric community is evenly split on whether or not HRT is the correct way to treat trans people."
They ended up leaving before I could even really finish. They raised their voices at me, were rude, and stormed out, despite being as polite as I could be. I'm sad to say that at this point I've officially cut ties with them. I've done everything I can do. They have to decide to meet me half-way at some point, if they ever do, for us to have some kind of relationship.
:/
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>>7322017
That's pretty shitty, sorry to hear that.
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>>7322017
My condolences
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>>7322037
I mean, to be honest, I'm kind of happy that I don't have to deal with their shit anymore. I could talk about things they've said and done even not related to the "trans issue" but I feel like I'd just be rambling. They're not people I enjoy being around anyway. It makes me feel almost guilty to say it, but my life is more fulfilling without them poisoning it.
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When I grew up I want to be a serial killer using only but a simple metal spoon
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>>7322062
Well it sounds like you made the right choice.
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>>7321570
Zack/Cloud is the purest pairing no homo
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>>7322127
Who needs pure when you have a slutty Cloud begging for Sephiroth's dick. ;)
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>>7322127
I hate FFs art style
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I don't know if this is the right thread but i have feminine proportions for a man (25 inch waist 29 inch hips) and I was told i should take estrogen blockers to lose the shape but it was a /pol/lack who told me and half of them are insane
how would it affect me?
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>>7322337
Idk, ask your doctor.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>7322337
Shit, I don't have a doctor here
I'll just stay like this
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>>7322337
that wont do anything

you would have to increase your testosterone,,
but that wouldn't change your bone structure if you're over 16
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>>7319238
I gave SU a shot, but unlike the early episodes of MLP it wasn't at least entertaining. The Amerifat-culture junk food promotion with burgers and fries and cookies also triggered my 'tism; no wonder Tumblr-tier dykes like it so much.
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>>7322448
>20
i'm an unfixable manlet trap plus i can't even figure out if i'm gay or straight
Just fucking kill me
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>>7322450

It gets better. I wasn't into it at first either and was similarly triggered by not only the junk food fetishisation but by the typical unremarkable whiney fat loser being undeservedly super special. But I watched the first season and really enjoyed it by the end.
I think episode 5 was where it justified itself enough for me to stick with it. Overall it's still got a lot more 'meh' episodes than good ones though, dunno about season 2.
But Lars and Pearl are the best, the rest are worth putting up with for their antics.
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>>7322557
Lars and Pearl are also my favorites. Perhaps because they're characters we identify with more.

Hamethyst is worst gem.
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>>7322601

Mah nigga
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>>7322601
I can tolerate Garnet, every single other character irritated me. Pearl annoys me the most. "Die in a fire" levels.
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>>7316551
I am a cis male named Thomas. Are you a qt?

I've found my name to be pretty rare, surprisingly
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>>7322557
God Lars annoys the shit out of me. Conversely, I find Peridot extremely relatable, so I'm probably annoying as fuck myself.

Keeping this on topic, I thought Peridot was a male character before I actually watched the show and figured out all the gems are female-coded. Self projection, probably.
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>>7316595
Anecdotal but I know a transwoman named Kai, but no trans men.
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Jesus fuck, I started T either on the same day as Milo Stewart or the day before.
I can't wait to see this child go into a downward spiral and stop T. She even got it from informed consent instead of going to psychiatrist to diagnose her.
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>>7321570
What's it like transitioning that old? I keep staying closeted/indefinitely repressing and I keep getting older. I'm afraid that it's going to be unbearable around that age and at that point I'm not sure if transitioning or suicide would be better tbqh
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>>7323349

Yep. They just fucking handed it to her the day she went in for a simple consultation.
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>>7323349
i'm slightly younger than milo stewart and started t several months earlier
it took me four (4) years
i am going to murder her
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How do I talk to girls?

I was super femme before I transitioned ("Ha ha I can't be trans look how good I am at makeup and now nice my dresses are!") and I hated getting approached by random dudes 9 times out of 10.

Now I'm fully transitioned and I pass. I have blessed genetics so I'm 6 feet tall and I know I'm reasonably handsome but I just hate the idea of messing up some girl's night by bugging her.

The little flash of fear of fear on a girl's face when you first start talking to them fucks me up every time- particularly since I've had that exact flash when dudes talked to me in the past.

Sorry for the blog post- how do I get over this?
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>>7323565
>since I've had that exact flash when dudes talked to me in the past.
How would you want those dudes to act when it was you?
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>>7323602
I would have preferred not to be bothered- hence my issue.

The best guys were always the polite guys who weren't desperate and were obviously willing to back off- so I try to be that guy. I just feel shitty bugging people.
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Curious person popping over from mtfg: We have terms like "Boipussy" and "Girl Tinker" to talk about our genitals, do you guys have anything similar? I realized that girltinker really makes a lot more sense if it was a term for a post srs penis.
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>>7323652
Don't be? I mean it's up to you if you want to try to conform to stereotypes but it's kinda up to the guy most of the time to bug the girl. I mean sometimes girls will send signals and you have to try to pick up on them, but some are shy and you're not going to have any idea.

Idk just approach, that flash of fear might just be surprise (is that dude actually talking to me?) or they're not sure what you want. There's always that kinda barrier between genders historically.
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>>7322015
Hi bby
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>>7323749

Man-cave and bro-hole are my favourites.
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Just curious, do FtMs have to practice to get a good male voice, or can you just wait and let T do all the work for you???
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new thread >>7324136

new thread >>7324136

new thread >>7324136
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>>7322017
I'm so sorry that you're mentally ill. If you'd like to kill yourself and save your family the pain of your sick torture of them, please do so.
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