Do late transitioners (18+) have a societal obligation not to

>>7296207
damn, carl grimes' actor really let himself go

>>7296207

No, because there are still some who can pass after 18.

>>7296207
>>7296207
Do [trans] people have a societal obligation to [transition] for the sake of the [comfort] of [other people]?

The answer to this is the answer to your question.

>>7296207
Why not? Worst case scenario take hormones, get whatever surgeries you want, and if all else fails tell people you had prostate or testicular cancer which warranted hormone therapy. Or just tell them you have a birth defect, hormone issues, etc. etc. and everyone would just take pity on you.

>>7296207
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. At that age, a person's highest obligation is to her or himself.

>they're pushing the 18 meme now
24 is the tops. 18-24 is iffy but under 20 and you should be fine.

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>>7296408
Most celebrated trans-centric doctors don't reccommend transition past 16, transitioning extraneous to that guideline is outside of approved and lawful medicine. This is why young transitioning (12 and below) is extremely critical.

>>7296207
cara, we've been through this. if you don't transition, you'll transition in twenty years. that's both a specific and general you.
>>7296566
also you're not as good a liar as you think, i know you think people in general are pretty stupid but they at least have google

>>7296408
>25

I'm ready to fucking die now

>>7296408
>24 is the tops
That's what you want to believe but it is not, hon.

18 is.

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>>7296620
Why would I want to delegitimatize everything I've advocated for just to transition?

>>7296833
you haven't advocated for anything and i think in your heart you know this
you don't have a platform, you don't have anyone listening to you
this is the only place where you're recognized and almost everyone here hates you

>>7296833
but u already transitioned u look like a female

>>7296894
she is fetishist she gets off on having others have to convince to lop her dick off just so she can be happy and stop self hating. attention whore.

>>7296904
that's not cara, that's his stalking victim nicole maines
>>7296911
cara is agp as fuck but still manages to be one of those people who uses agp as an insult
/lgbt/ is incredible

why does cara make so many threads

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>>7296894
Ideas are important wether or not anyone ever listens to them or even if they never understand them.

>>7296946
is her makeup contoured to look more masculine or something here?

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>>7296977
Nicole/Wyatt Maines is a femboy model who takes advantage of the fact that they were faultily transitioned as a child. They present male/female on and off but the majority of the time they present male.

>>7296977
yes
>>7296946
you might think that, but ideas are only meaningful when you've got a platform for them
as it stands today, you are in completely the wrong headspace for a platform, and one trait of this is your severe agp and aamp

>>7297005
wat is platform

>>7297001
shut up care you're dumb

>>7297019
some way of spreading your ideas and being listened to, possibly by an echo chamber given the stratification of politics in our era
youtube is a prominent modern example

>>7297001
how can u take advantage of having multiple personallity disorder?

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>>7297005
The audience doesn't lend the legitimacy to the ideas. Although would you agree that with the right platform I could gain a following? I know that a considerable amount of people here agree with me already despite a large number of adversaries.

>>7297029
everything cara says about nicole is lying
in his own words, it's to 'delegitimize' her
>>7297031
>Although would you agree that with the right platform I could gain a following?
we live in a world where barry goldwater but a reality tv star was just elected president
i think you can gain a following
but again it's worth noting that usually the only people who get followings are cute girls, if blaire white was a hon or still robbie nobody would watch her channel

>>7297049
>everything cara says about nicole is lyingn his own words, it's to 'delegitimize' her

why would somebody do tht what grudge, why?

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>>7297071
she didn't acknowledge him positively when he stalked her, and he's upset about that

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>>7297049
Exactly. I don't need a following for what I've said to have legitimacy as well as reverberation throughout the extended universe beyond 4chan through osmosis.

>>7297071
Nicole actively campaigns that you need a "female brain" and only optional dysphoria to be trans (she says that dyspepsia is not associated with trans and is a separate 'illness'). Obviously you can deduct where the issue lies.

>>7297161
*dysphoria

>>7296227
I thought it looked like Michael Cera. If he was ethnic.

>>7296207
Yes, although the real cutoff is around 15. We need to have some better laws against these people trying to transition and refining everything for the rest of us

>>7297410
*ruining
Sry

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>>7296207
Person in pic
Started at 19.5 years and ive seen other late bloomers 25ish do well and fit in well
didnt start until 19.5 because i had no idea trans was a thing until then

>>7296227
actually laughed

>>7297359
usually i always get joseph gordon levitt first time ive heard Michael Cera

>>7298175
Ha, well don't take offense at the Michael Cera thing, he's very effeminate.

>>7298183
no offense taken its an observation, i could potentially see it

>>7298175
http://www.oxygen.com/people/ren-spriggs

This is you?

>>7298207
Yeah

I started transitioning at 21 and people back then said I was lucky to start so young.

Cool we have a real live celebrity in the house, maybe. Timestamp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaDnLDSEKoo

>>7298232
Someone in the youtube comments said you used to do porn..

>>7298232
I wouldn't consider it celebrity status.
Theres a shit-ton of shows out there airing that nobody watches or have ever heard of this just got popular because trans is popular right now. Thats like saying someone on hoarders is a celebrity.
Also timestamped already
>>7298175

>>7298247
Yeah, back when I was homeless and couch surfing I had to to keep afloat, its covered in the show and NBC is gonna make me start doing like conferences and speakings at places to try to minimize the stigma toward it for damage control

>>7298263
>I wouldn't consider it celebrity status

Still it's really cool to know there's a trans model posting on here. I usually assume mtfs on here are massive hons. Can you tell us your story if you don't mind?

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>>7298175
Please find a way to get Arcise kicked off Strut then finally the show may be worth watching.

>>7298320
I mean personally whats there to tell
Parents went homeless when I was a kid, moved out at 18, started hormones at 19.5. Worked in Hotels as front desk for a while, then when I couldnt live with my roommates anymore, I moved with my girlfriend to the east coast, couldnt get a job there because we lived in the middle of the forest, so I started camming because I learned about chasers, around 21 saw an all trans modeling agency starting up, applied, got lucky with asian genetics, got picked up as they were pitching the show, got to come along for the ride, Oxygen thought my story was good for TV so they bumped me to an A character
I just got really extremely extremely lucky desu

>>7298326
Shes actually really not that bad, if you watch the whole thing it kind've deconstructs why she acts the way she does, shes 30 and been modeling since pre-transition and through it got fucked every step of the way by people for being trans before it started becoming accepted.
Shes been through the ringer and keeps her tough exterior but shes actually a really chill person inside, the show just portrays her as a shitty person in the beginning to make her appeal to the black and bad girls club audience (which aired right before our show)

>>7298352
>girlfriend
so are you bi? or a lesbian?

>>7298365
very feminine leaning

>started hrt very shortly before turning 18
>still a hon

You might want to move the age down to 16, no one passes after that

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>>7296207
>"late transitioners (18+)"
Not this thing again.

see the nice thing about being ftm is that we can transition whenever the hell he want and still pass after enough time on T

get fukt hons

>>7299146
>see the nice thing about being ftm is that we can transition whenever the hell he want and still pass after enough time on T
actually, that isn't true
t. ftm
almost all trans guys are aidens when you know what you're looking for, even teen transitioners (an old friend, now detransitioned, started at 17 and straight up looked like a butch with pcos)

>>7299146
Have fun not having a penis, at least we can get fucked in the ass

>>7299170
not a high enough dose of T or they didn't stay on it long enough

>>7299146
Nice meme, retard. A lot of ftms are more clockable than your average mtf would be, at least to another trans person. There's no way to get around being a headlet.

>>7299174
anybody can get fucked in the ass retard

>>7299197
see above

not enough testosterone or not on it long enough

>>7298175
>celebrities
>on /lgbt/ of all places

>>7299196
nope, she took it for five years at an average dose with no low-t symptoms
there is nothing inherent about trans guys that makes us all pass
have you ever read notanotheraiden? at ten years he passed about half the time, and he was taking four times an average dose and had verified t levels in the normal range

>>7299233
probably was a gross looking cow to begin with, lol

>>7299244
neither of them are fat, if that's what you're talking about
there are straight up a lot of trans guys who don't pass, and that number is going to increase because passing is entirely social and the reason most trans men pass as cis is because there's no social category for 'trans men' -- that is, a marginally passable ftm today can live stealth while a marginally passable mtf couldn't, but that's not going to continue (and it already isn't true in very liberal areas)

>>7299251
well if you're overly curvy, 5 foot and insist on continuing to talk like a nasally teenager of course you'll never pass

>>7298352
>Worked in Hotels as front desk for a while
Regular or NA?
>tfw stuck on night shift but still too dysphoric to practice voice

>>7299295
Not that person, but hello fellow NA tranny. I'm at work rn. Honestly I love this job and this shift.

>>7296207
wpath doesnt let transitioners start estrogen until 18 generally.

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>>7298175
Hmmm Ren, if I come to NY can we hang out? There's something extremely important I have to talk to you about.

>>7299146
I repress and lift so I can bully you womanlets

You will never be a real man like me.

>>7296207
>young transitioners thread
>posts a person who degrades themself in porn
>the image of trans people

u having a giggle m8?

>>7299316
Holy shit I'm a night audit tranny too. I love the shift because I'm a shut in who wants to be left alone

>18
>late
this meme needs to end

>be me
>be repressed tranny with a family
>son comes out as trans age 12
>move to red state so he can't self med or get support
>repress him through male puberty
>he's 23 now with no hope of passing
>he's on anti depressants and I know exactly why

It's so satisfying. It's the revenge I've been waiting a lifetime for

>>7299938
You don't deserve to be a parent.

>>7296632
There's nothing special biologically about 18, though. Male puberty doesn't end at 18 as some magic law. It generally finishes up in the early twenties, the latest being about 24/25. There isnt some magic cut off of "oh, you're aegal adult now, no pass ever for you!". I started at mid 19, why would it be any different from somebody who started six months before that?

>>7299947
And he doesent deserve happiness either. Like father like son.

That's how it works! It's a great comfort to me knowing I've denied him happiness.

Happiness which you think he's entitled to? What for being born lucky? In the right time? Fuck that.

>>7299957
>Hey I'm gonna bring this thing into the world I totally am a responsible adult
>Hey this thing just said it has a disorder Im very familiar with but I'm too insecure about my past and full of regret I'm gonna make this thing suffer as well because this makes me a good parent.

>>7299938
Dude kill yourself

>>7299938
>agp 'father' having csts 'son'
nice try
6/10 bait, fooled a few people
but anyone who knows the first thing about heredity of transsexualism knows that doesn't happen

>>7300011
Stay mad I beat your prophecy, my father did the same to me and a child and I got my revenge

Don't know or care about your memes kiddo. Just here to upset lgbt freaks

>>7299973
I never wanted a child so I could love it. I just wanted a punching bag who's life I could ruin

>>7300078
>Just here to upset lgbt freaks
if you want to do that, then you should get better at baitposting
what you're claiming here doesn't stand up to what's known about the etiology of transsexualism, it's like being a devout creationist who tries to bait a graduate biology class without realizing they don't think humans evolved from monkeys

>>7300104
Stay mad autist

>>7299938
Absolutely based. Ignore the fags

>>7299938
How is that revenge? You don't break a strangers kneecap to get revenge for a different stranger breaking yours. Of course we know your story is fake.

>>7300149
I'm just happy to inflict pain on someone else

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>>7299295
Night Audit 5 nights a week
The only reason my voice is anywhere near passable is because I talked to myself when riding my friends bicycle to work at 10pm, and talked to myself constantly during 11pm-7am
Whether just saying out loud whatever I was thinking instead of thinking it, or singing songs to myself, and trying for the notes higher than I could normally reach
If you keep trying to practice for it over and over and over your voice will become more accustomed toward it and will become more comfortable toward it

>>7299316
>>7299893
yeah it was fucking great because it was during my pre-hrt to first year hrt phase and I wanted to be left the fuck alone as much as possible


Also bonus pic from my olddddddddddd hidden album of pics from when I still looked like shit new on hormones
Me working Night Audit on New Years 2012

>>7299675
qt pic, but im sorry I can't hang out if you come to NY unfortunately.
[spoiler]I live in LA[/spoiler]

>>7299938

I suspect this is fake, since I don't think anyone old enough to have a 23 year old child would be here and I've never seen this story before but feel like I recognize you. However, if it is true, I wonder what makes some people help others in their position and what turns others into assholes like you.

>>7300011
>>7300104

You underestimate AGPs. There may be different categories of trans people, but the category they fall in is not the be all and end all of whether a child transitions prepubertally.
https://www.amandajetteknox.com/blog//2016/05/irresponsible-hardly-medical.html

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>>7299938
transgirl diaries: the post

>>7299146
>see the nice thing about being ftm is that we can transition whenever the hell he want and still pass after enough time on T

In my opinion not really
You'll just look either like a tomboy or a dyke instead of like a crossdressing man or hon

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>>7299938
heh, found it

>>7300286
>Call me....Jennifer II

>>7300258
Helping people has no reward and people don't deserve help

Whereas hurting others is good as they don't deserve to be happy

>>7299938
I dont care if this is fake.
This is just beautiful.

>>7299938
This is my dream. I hope some day to be in a situation where I can enact this on a wide scale

>>7296566

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if doctors let their patients transition before puberty, they are shitty doctors.

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>>7301364
Pic related did and they came out fine (although they aren't trans). Morality may be a driving factor for medicine but not one within it.

>>7299938
This is probably fake, but why the fuck would you do this to your own child?

You're everything wrong with hons.

>18+
>late transitioner
15+ is late transitioner already, don't try to make yourself feel better you degenerate hon

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>>7296408
>Under 20 you should be fine

I started HRT the day I turned 19 and this is me now after nearly 1.5 years

>>7300306
lol ok

>>7298175
>didn't know trans was a thing until 19.5
ya sure hon... you so tru trans... right. Not even agp attention whore a little

>>7296207

Yeah... You have to stop thinking you are actually girls though. You aren't a girl or a boy. When you come to terms with that, hons aren't really that bad. In fact they are even more precious because they are so fucking hideous. They make tgirls look better, and you are ridding the world of an agro man by encouraging hrt. If that means having to deal with a man in a dress, I think it is worth the risk. I do fully appreciate where you are coming from, but hons are special. It takes far more courage to be a fuggly hon that no one will ever love than to be a cute passable tgirl.

>>7301930
Just get rid of what looks like hair on your upper lip and you'd probs be fine. Just an unattractive girl

>>7301938
Nah, I honestly had no clue that the ability to transition was an actual thing.
I always had signs but I just repressed them because I didn't want to be a feminine guy or gay guy.
I was reclusive and the closest thing I knew to trans was crossdressers being the punchline of a joke on the George Lopez show. (just spent 20min googling it, season6 ep6)
At 19 I went to a small house hangout, met a trans person, they explained it, and as soon as I heard about it everything just clicked and I realized thats what always felt wrong with me

>>7302021
HI REN you probably dont remember me but its Maddie from kageshi. How are you doing lately?

>>7302049
I remember you Maddie
I'm doing okay, just got off anti-depressants so just hanging in here and there, yourself?

>>7302059
>just got off anti-depressants
Good for you. I was on a really bad one for about 3 years that had such terrible withdrawl side effects any time i would stop taking it i would get terrible brain zaps and end up in the hospital . Had to ween off it very slowly over the course of a year.

My life is a mess rn but atleast im getting married sometime next fall.

>>7296207
>tfw you would've made this deadline if only you knew HRT was a thing then
>tfw those years were enough to make you a hon

>>7302138
>tfw those 2 years*

>>7302138

>tfw would have transitioned at 13 at the latest if my parents had been as interested in science as I was

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I'm 22 you tell me. Going to see a psych next week. Am I even allowed to have any hope of passing at this point, or should I an hero now? I waited way too long. I think.

>>7302259
It's probably too late to pass, but at least you don't have the tiny manhips characteristic of hons.

>>7302259

For someone who's never been on HRT, you have some hips, senpai.

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>>7302291
I think my hips just look bigger because my clothes and the angle. My shoulders are already too broad too. Fuck me.

>>7302319

OK, your hips are normal for a guy. But your package sure is big, daaamn.

>>7302319
you are as smooth as a new-born babe

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>>7302351
It's called a razer m8. Notice the razer burn on my chest and the little bit on my face? Body hair has alwayas bugged me. When puberty hit me I plucked out every pubic and armpit hair That grew in until it was too much to deal with. Started shaving my legs in middleschool then stopped whenever people started noticing.

>>7302319
They're still good enough not to destroy your chances. FFS might help your face. I'd say your biggest problem is your torso. Sadly, there's no way to reduce shoulder and ribcage sizes.

Regardless, hope is not lost. At least get on HRT to see if it helps.

>>7302259
Your body is stocky and you'll need FFS to pass. At least get on the hormones to stop any further masculinizing.

>>7300258
>https://www.amandajetteknox.com/blog//2016/05/irresponsible-hardly-medical.html

>The likelihood of a child who meets the requirements for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria ever “changing their minds” or “de-transitioning” is virtually zero.

Actually it's about 80% as supported by several studies:
http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html

>Someone doesn’t become trans, so they can’t un-become it.

Counter-evidence: 4chan/a/. Males are prone to develop AGP from certain types of fetishization of femininity.

Girls are also extremely prone to develop self-hate because of sexual objectification.

>Puberty is irreversible, puberty blockers are not.

Delaying a child's puberty by ~5 years is irreversible, unless you have a time machine.

>Trans kids have one of the highest suicide rates of any marginalized group in the world.

So treat their mental health issues and teach them to be happy with their bodies.

JFC, the arrogance of trans supporters.
I'm not really claiming all trans are able to get over dysphoria. It may be too deeply rooted in some's psychology. It may also have a neurological cause in some. But the amount of misinformation in that text, and how cocksure the author is in it all, is just disgusting.

>>7302382
If I can just manage to look cute or convincingly androgynous at the end of all of this somehow I think I'll be able to live.

>>7302382
That's the plan cap.

>>7302345
Thanks I guess. Maybe I'll just embrace being a disgusting hon and do porn why not.

society has a fuck you attitude so good luck with that lol

>>7301930
You're cute as hell though, what is this supposed to prove? Like the other anon said, get rid of/cover up your upper lip hair and you'd be perfectly passable.

>>7302384
>Actually it's about 80% as supported by several studies
have you read those studies? the desisters are gnc kids WITHOUT dysphoria. desistence rates drop drastically when you're only looking at dysphoric kids.
>Males are prone to develop AGP from certain types of fetishization of femininity.
prepubertal transitioners are by definition not agp, and are generally before the point where sexual objectification is a major issue
>Delaying a child's puberty by ~5 years is irreversible, unless you have a time machine
late puberty is socially disadvantageous but a fairly reasonable treatment side effect that shouldn't be used as a reason to withhold lifesaving medical treatment

>>7301930

>Haven't gotten rid of your beard at 1.5 years in
>I'm 1.25 years in without having started hair removal and it's too late for me to not be like you

You're qt though, but reaaaally need to get rid of that facial hair. I also think I remember your face from before HRT.

>>7303005
>>Haven't gotten rid of your beard at 1.5 years in

I'm broke and still live as a guy anyways so what's the point.

>>7303031
sparky pls be my gf already

>>7296833

Can someone explain this fucking Cara roleplaying shit

>>7298352

Wasn't that lasers? Saw a picture ages ago with her

>>7299200
Not if you want to fuck people in the ass retard

>>7303092
Autistic repressed tranny stalked Nicole Maines then dropped out of life and now thinks they are some kind of queer theory prophet because they spend 12 hours a day posting on this board

>>7296207
I transitioned at 15 and I know that I'm a disgrace, so I generally keep out of the public eye. So yeah, I don't think that anyone should keep themselves from transitioning, but it's better for hons like us not to take up too much space and let the true early transitioners of the world take center stage, so as to present ourselves in the best light possible.

>>7299847
Nice meme, baby girl.

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>>7303355
I'm not so bad.....

>>7303738
I don't really dislike you that much anymore but you make a lot of dumb threads

>>7301930
I think you're relatively close to passing. If I saw you on the street, chances are that I wouldn't be completely sure whether you're male or a female.
Maybe try making your eyebrows a bit more thin and neat?
Passing aside, you're very cute. You'd probably feel nice to cuddle with.

>>7303543
Well, it's not like we had a choice in the matter. We can't just not transition just so the Jazz Jennings' of the world have slightly less vitriol against them. Yeah, it sucks not passing. I started at 15 too, btw. I'm 26 now. I don't know how old you are, but it doesn't get better, by the way. But you do learn to deal.

Really the best we can do is not draw too much negative attention to ourselves. Like, don't dress like a schoolgirl or fetishist or shit like that (like the now infamous drewiepoodle image). It sucks not passing but we can at least live our lives without completely disgusting the people around us.

>>7304684
>started at 15
How the hell do you not pass?

>>7304742
I don't know, I guess I pass in the sense that I don't really get clocked out in the real world, I just have BDD maybe, don't pay attention to my negative vibes

>>7304742
Puberty doesn't start at 18, despite what most of the 18+ transitioners on this board think.

I'm 6 feet tall (I grew tall very quickly). But my figure is great. Very slim build, good hips, the typical starting early stuff. But my voice was kind of fucked. So the fact that I have a kind of typical tranny voice combined with the height is what gives me away. I'm thinking about getting yeson. That wasn't an option until recently.

>>7305026
If you were taking puberty blockers is normal for you to get that tall

>>7305065
Yeah that's what I figured. Oh well, at least I'm attractive, or so I'm told. But as soon as I open my mouth every guy loses interest. FML

>>7303031
>I don't put in any effort and don't pass whaaaaa
Fuck off

>>7302926
>have you read those studies? the desisters are gnc kids WITHOUT dysphoria. desistence rates drop drastically when you're only looking at dysphoric kids.
All children involved in the two large studies were diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder (of which dysphoria is a diagnostic criteria) or Gender Dysphoria.

>prepubertal transitioners are by definition not agp
The claim was made about all trans. E.g. apparently that woman's husband also came out trans in his mid 30s. If you asked them, he just "discovered" it late but always "was" trans.

>late puberty is socially disadvantageous but a fairly reasonable treatment side effect
Whether it's a reasonable side-effect is up for grabs. Most importantly we don't actually know the exact side effects involved because there haven't been any large scale studies on the long-term effects. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>7301895
>my son is entitled to a life I can't have purely on the basis of luck and timing of his birth

Hahah no. Knowing that he can't reverse puberty makes me overjoyed

fine. But don't expect repressors to be lgbt allies.

And don't cry when we ban your hrt and gatekeeper you

T. Repressed Tranny Endo who has never ever given estrogen to a tranny. Just led them in a. Wild goose chase and made them waste time

>>7303355
idk who the fuck nicole maines is

>>7306195

Surely you at least write your own HRT prescriptions.

>>7306286
kind of famous young transitioner

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>>7296207
How about an antisocial obligation to cleanse the earth of 80 worthless oversocialized excuses for living beings?

>>7297031
No, I don't, you are an avatarfag so you already come off as spineless if you want a following start posting some OC or relateable content. Posting pictures of stranger transgirls all day just shows your stalker tendencies and FORCES people to not take you seriously. Your 'platform' is a meme. You denegrate others for putting in effort while apparently putting in very little yourself. And your 'ideas' are simply troll logic, you relish argumentation without the intellectual advancement, just so you feel superior. I want you to know, Cara, (which isn't even your name.) That you are currently a waste of online space and if you think anyone who knows you likes you you are delusional. The sooner I stop seeing your posts of that godawful model the better.

>>7296207
>for the sake of [group identity]
no, you have a societal obligation to not disrupt the order for ALL of our society. don't be cisphobic

>>7305834
But like, why would that make you happy?