Why does the thought of never having sex with girls arouse me

>>7235748
Holy fuck SAME

We are such fucking degenerates

Cause you're a lesbo. Jesus fucking christ you dyke. Might as well add a BTW IM GIRL to the end of your posts you attention seeking loser.

>>7235808
Might want to reread that

>>7235791
>>7235748

AGP
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>>7236197
I don't get this meme desu

>>7236197
how the fuck is that agp? i'm agp and sex with men is basically the only thing i get off to.

>>7236277
Meme bruh

>>7235791
>>7235748
MEF or what

>>7236294
Whats a mef

>>7236294
MEF???

>>7236238

It's just done for the lulz

>>7236277

It may be a form of AGP, since "behaving like an heterosexual woman that would not have sex with women" excites you.

It is akin to get excited at the thought of realizing a non-sexual, typically female- activity (knitting, for example). Behaviors such as that have been studied for long already.

Maybe you are kinky and actually attracted to girls. But you also are into sexual restriction.

>>7236460
>It may be a form of AGP, since "behaving like an heterosexual woman that would not have sex with women" excites you.
not for me anyway, i still like girls, tho idk if that's left over straight guy feelings or bi/lesbian girl feelings. i like guys more tho.

>Behaviors such as that have been studied for long already.
links? i get some of that.

>>7236526

Four types of autogynephiliacs

If autogynephilia denotes a man's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as female, this imagening may take different forms. Blanchard operates with four types of autogynephilia:

Transvestic (fantasy of wearing women's clothing)
Behavioural (fantasy of engaging in typical feminine behaviour, let's say knitting together with women)
Physiologic (fantasy of pregnancy, breast feeding, menstruating)
Anatomic (fantasy of having a woman's body, including partial autogynephilia, where the focus is on a mix of male and female bodyparts, as in -- for instance -- becoming a "she-male".

http://www.crossdreamers.com/2009/08/autogynephilia-defined.html

>>7236605
where is there more research on behavioral agp?

>>7236631

I don't know... I know it happens. It may come from Blanchard or one of his followers...

Sorry there, I'd help you but I don't have more info. Google may help?

>>7236402
>>7236460
MEF = masochistic emasculation fetish

It's an umbrella term for fantasies that relate to symbols of losing masculinity/gaining femininty. AGP and cuckolding can fit under it, but also things that are more abstract such as very loose associations to symbolism, all of which depends on how you socially perceive gendered markers and behaviour. For example something such as painting your nails being a turn on not because of the appearance or behaviour itself but specifically because of the perception of it that others would have. It symbolizes a certain kind of feminine behaviour which can be considered emasculating for a male and is therefore arousing to someone with MEF.

For some people things like clothes and makeup don't have as strong of an association so they're not arousing, but something like *not* having sex with females is hot because it's perceived as particularly emasculating

>>7236658

Wow!! new, raw, interesting info!!

This, anon, is porn for psychologists hahahah.

Thx for the info.

>>7236658
>For example something such as painting your nails being a turn on not because of the appearance or behaviour itself but specifically because of the perception of it that others would have. It symbolizes a certain kind of feminine behaviour which can be considered emasculating for a male and is therefore arousing to someone with MEF.

This describes me so PERFECTLY, you have no idea. Doing those things that are usually shameful for men makes me happy exactly because it should be shameful, but yet I am proud about it.

Still, besides turning me on during sexy times I think it also makes me feel happy as something non-sexual. I don't know how that works in relation
to this term.

>>7236605
so im an anatomic autogynophiliac?

>>7236733

I don't know. that's up to you hahaha to discover hahaha.

>but you got doubles, and doubles always win...

>>7236706
>This describes me so PERFECTLY, you have no idea. Doing those things that are usually shameful for men makes me happy exactly because it should be shameful, but yet I am proud about it.

That's classic MEF, it quite literally replaces humiliation with arousement. I like discussing it on here even though most posters are really autistic:
https://reddit.com/r/MEFetishism

>Still, besides turning me on during sexy times I think it also makes me feel happy as something non-sexual. I don't know how that works in relation
>to this term.

I think that by indulging the fetish you can actually develop legitimate dysphoria (which is why transitioning is viable for some AGPers).
The sexual feeling of getting off eventually transforms into a more general positive emotional feeling relating to identity.

>>7236703
I don't know about you buddy but this analysis describes my experience quite well, I'm not willing to dismiss it
http://www.oocities.org/transsexual_analysis/transsexual5.html

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>>7236986
I think it was the opposite order for me. It always was a thing for me since I'm a kid. Only recently it became a sexual fantasy and it's really mild.

But anyway thanks, I didn't know this was a thing and that answers quite s number of questions about myself.

>>7236986
I'm >>7237023 and after looking at the subreddit that really doesn't seem like what I have anyway.

Those just sound like highly sexual heteros with a fetish for feeling inferior, when I myself often feel superior than everybody and I'm a very confindent person who's not beta at all.

The sexual fantasies are also completely different. I just want to be the "flamboyant faggot" in bed rather than a "miserable beta who gets off of humiliation"

Sorry if that sounds harsh, as you are a MEF, but it's just what I see at first glance.

>>7236605
>Blanchard
discarded

>>7237092
I'd draw distinction between MEF and AGP too, since the first is about humiliation and the second is about feminization fundamentally, though it's overlapping. I got over the 'forced fem' fetish fairly quickly realizing I want feminization and there is nothing to be forced.

>>7237238

>>I'd draw distinction between MEF and AGP too, since the first is about humiliation and the second is about feminization fundamentally,

would you thing that the relationship between the both may be connected to society's transphobia?

Like, feminizing a boy is humiliating, and one form of humiliation for a boy is feminizing him publicly.

Would you thing they wouldn't be related if society didn't see feminization as something to laugh at?

I listen to sissy hypno files where girls call "me" a faggot and say I'm never getting pussy. it turns me on a lot initially and then I just feel like shit, I stay hard and fap to these files but I feel really shitty afterwards than swear of of ever partaking in them again. and then inevitably it crops back up in my mind to indulge in these fantasies and I'm back to binging on porn. I just need a partner, or a friend, male or female. I'm so lonely and disconnected from a normal life. ;(

>>7237597

Why not join the discord we have, sis??

>>7236605
>Physiologic (fantasy of pregnancy, breast feeding, menstruating)
Does that include sex? Because I want to be female to have sex, first and foremost.

>>7237092
It sounds like you get a thrill out of it. MEF guys get a "good" sinking feeling.

I think this is a case of provocation versus shame. You are interested in other people's reactions, MEF guys are absorbed by their own reactions to those reactions. Introverted.

>>7237597
I'm taking a week long break from all internet and computer use. That's the minimum; I want to see how far it can go. It's sort of like the moment before a ship unmoors. I've been up to my neck in the vilest shit, and even the ordinary stuff I like, pop culture, media, etc., feels like opium keeping me trapped in the den. I've got to go, I had to tell someone, that somehow ended up being you. Best of luck.

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>>7238339
>It sounds like you get a thrill out of it. MEF guys get a "good" sinking feeling.
>I think this is a case of provocation versus shame. You are interested in other people's reactions, MEF guys are absorbed by their own reactions to those reactions. Introverted.

I see. That makes sense.

>>7236658
>masochistic emasculation fetish
i get this but it's because i'm too inferior to be a man, which is the same reason i get agp.

>>7235748
Because you're a literal cuck

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I wish my homosexuality could've been enough to prevent me from having gf's and straight sex : /

I got a humiliation fetish recently, they call you virgin faggot and shit and make fun of your dick size, but I got a big dick so that kinda doesn't work : / not a lot to work with

I'd really get off to being some loser virgin faggot with a little dick with no hope of ever getting pussy, that'd make me cum buckets

>>7236658
>>7240074
I'm afab and both of these are literally me. I think it's bc I think of myself as a dude, so I shied away from femininity bc I thought it made me less of a dude. so the idea of being forced to be feminine, as a dude, is very enticing to me

the last anon should try restricting masturbation and imagining never having sex ever again. possibly include religious overtones. definitely imagine chastity belts and agony pears.

>>7240074
you normalized / internalized being treated like shit in your life as a fetish.

>>7239446
it can also cause trans too.

>>7240267
yeah i'm pretty trans too but it's too scary to transition.

I feel similarly. As long as I can recall having sexual fantasies, I remember being attracted to the idea of being weak and unmanly. Up until a year ago I thought I might be a transbian, but like, almost as long as I've masturbated, I've masturbated to gay porn, trans porn, etc.

I sometimes wonder if it had anything to do with being bullied in school. As young as 10 guys would pick on me for being passive and unassertive. Later in middle school I was sexually assaulted a few times in gym class. When I got to high school I started wearing my hair long and wearing androgynous clothes more. Older guys started hitting on me then and that kind of excited me and scared me.

The thought of fucking women didn't do it for me. I had an appreciation for the female body I suppose, but what really got me off was the idea of being fucked by guys.

I want to feel small and weak when I'm getting fucked. But I don't think I really want to be a woman either, maybe just woman-like?

I am on HRT, but I see myself more as a femboy I guess. I enjoy having feminine features and even find my body arousing to some extent, but I'm also strongly attracted to the concept of being biologically male and being gay with other males. Doing homosexual things for me is kind of a fetish in itself.

I do sometimes have fantasies about stuff like lactation or having a vagina. But I guess I don't really ever see myself with a woman. I've tried dating them, but my most fulfilling relationships always end up being gay. I've dated a few guys and mtf. I think I'm mostly attracted to people who are physically similar to me, so I mostly date other femboys or mtf.

Its confusing as hell and I don't really understand myself, but I can't relate these thoughts to anyone I know irl and trans groups would just call me a closet tranny.

>>7237155
if you're going to dismiss everything associated with blanchard solely because of his typology, you're dismissing almost all research on transsexualism AND about half the field of sexology as a whole
blanchard's not evil, just misguided on a topic he's all too devoted to -- he's kind of nixon-esque, i think

>>7242353
I connect with a great deal of this, sans the sexual assault and bullying. I'm at a crossroads of sorts where I'm deciding whether or not to take the leap into HRT. I do not see myself as trans either, but more of a femboy who also wants to have feminine features while still being fundamentally male.

If you are far enough along to judge, would you say that HRT was worth it for you? I know mileage varies but I'd like to know how the inclusion of HRT changed things for you, if it did at all. I'm assuming it does something that you want if you are still taking it.

>>7242433
I guess it depends on what you want. In my case I hated puberty. I got lucky in some ways because I'm not tall and my voice is pretty androgynous. Being short may have something to do with me starving myself and denying myself protein when I was younger.

But I cried when I started getting body and facial hair, when my shoulders got wider, when testosterone gave me acne, when I saw my soft youthful face start changing.

HRT cleared up the acne problem immediately, and I'm old enough now that I'm not going to get any bigger even if I stopped taking it. It slowed down new facial hair as well. I'm stuck with the same patchy hair I had as a teenager, so I guess it could be worse.

For me its been a good experience overall. I had a goal in mind when I started - I didn't want to age into a hairy, balding caveman and I guess I mostly avoided that, even if things aren't completely optimal. I might still get ffs so I feel more comfortable with my reflection and long term I'm probably getting orchi so I don't need to be dependent on spiro forever.

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>>7242353
>I remember being attracted to the idea of being weak and unmanly.
A G P
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AGP ALERT!!!
AGP DEFCON RAISED TO LEVEL 2!!!

>>7237574
It's not transphobia, its been like that when transgender wasn't a concept. It's a general attitude towards boys and men that prohibits them any expression of gender non-conformity.
Being non-manly is traditionally punished because common men been always used as cannon fodder and disposable workforce, and note how it's always been different for upper class where it's less restrictive.

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>>7242353
>Doing homosexual things for me is kind of a fetish in itself.

This is me.
This is literally me. Sometimes I don't know if I'm legitimately attracted to men or just sexually attracted to the idea of doing something homosexual because it's considered wrong.

>>7244904
>attracted to the idea of doing something homosexual because it's considered wrong.

I've had this thought at times, but I don't think it's true in my case at least.

I legitimately don't see homosexuality as wrong and I'm not bothered about appearing gay outside of getting bashed for it.

It has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me, whereas I was miserable pretending to be a straight guy.

Plus, many men are legitimately quite attractive if a bit rough around the edges. And I think femboys are cuter than women in general, partly because they still have some of those male qualities like being tall and slender.

>>7244976
I didn't say I consider it wrong, I said it's considered wrong.

But anyway, by "wrong" I mean something that most normal people wouldn't want to be o be related to.

And I don't mind either way, because with females I just can't like them in real life because anime is too good in comparison

>>7236605
So, the femboys of /femgen/ are essentially anatomic AGPs? :P