I'm dating a transgirl but just admitted to myself that

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>>7231642
It's true that you can't be a real feminist while being a transwoman. That being said transitioning is a men's issue anyways.

>>7231655
transitioning creates a third gender more than anything. At this point my gf will never look like a woman but also never look like a manly man. she's attractive in an androgynous way, but her need to become more "feminine" all center around totally arbitrary things... like shaving her legs, learning how to do makeup, wearing dresses, etc. None of those things make any woman a woman in the first place...

it's obvious she wants to become a man's version of what a woman should be based on social conditioning.

>>7231642
>I think a lot of mtf theory is based in misogyny and social constructs and that not nearly as many of you have dysphoria as think you do.
pretty much 100% true for me. i want to look like a pretty girl but apart from that it's all social. where's the misogyny tho? women do get away with being inferior which is a big reason i want to be one.

>>7231693
>it's obvious she wants to become a man's version of what a woman should be based on social conditioning.
better than a woman's version of a woman honestly.

>>7231830
>better than a woman's version of a woman honestly
there's the mysogyny tho, anon

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>>7231693
Right, transwomen sort of fall into a sort of weird internalized masc/fem hetero dynamic, wherein they act as the male maintaining that sort of "reverent" and "sacred" feminine entity.

>>7231841

>better than a woman's version of a woman honestly
is the misogynistic part not
>women do get away with being inferior which is a big reason i want to be one

????

How?

>>7231859
>women do get away with being inferior
I assumed you meant that pretty women can get away with being shitty/assholes/inferior people in society where men can't. I did think about pointing out that in a lot of jobs, women have to work harder to be seen as competent as men- but I figured you were talking about society as whole.
Which is to say, yeah, women can sometimes get away with being worse people.

>woman's version of a woman
is preferring the male dialogue and preference of something.. it's an imposition of what they think someone SHOULD be like to suit their taste rather than reality, or the "woman's version."

hence misogyny.

>>7231642
>not nearly as many of you have dysphoria as think you do

where do you personally draw the line then?

i've had dysphoria for as long as i can remember i.e. since toddlerhood, do you think age plays a part in determining whether someone actually has gender dysphoria for you?

also I assume you're a man, i hope you still consider yourself straight or that you at least see your gf as female still

do you still feel that urge to settle down with her like any other girl, start a family and see her in a mother role?

>using "muh soggy knee" unironically
>on boards.4chan.org

ishygddt

In time OP, you will learn that the majority of trans women aren't even actually trans (in the classic sense.)

The MAJORITY of "trans women" today have been motivated to transition by porn, or more recently, anime. I cannot tell you how many trannies I've met who have this history of wanting to "trap." It's either that or some fetishization of the feminine. Eventually the thoughts consume them to the point that they transition completely and socially.

Personally, I've known how abnormal I was since first grade. Didn't even think about this life until I learned about others like me at 12.. raced to transition a few years later.. I hate the who I'm associated with

>>7231642
Its an inferiority complex.

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>>7231881
Good morning Reddit!

oh boy another terf bait thread, how unique

>>7231693
She's overcompensating because she knows she can never truly blend in as a woman or be accepted as one. Even you don't really accept her as a woman, you see her more as a third gender chimera or a really feminine man. This all just feeds into her dysphoria and her need to feel feminine in whatever way possible, even if those things are superficial.

Being a faux third gender is an inherently miserable existence. You're not a real person to the majority of people and you're often forced into the one you dislike being the most.

>>7231872
>I did think about pointing out that in a lot of jobs, women have to work harder to be seen as competent as men
if it's for good reason then it's hardly misogyny.

>it's an imposition of what they think someone SHOULD be like to suit their taste
uh what? the kind of femininity i or any other transwoman aspires to is our own choice not any imposition on anybody else.

it just happens that it's a better version than the cisgirl one.

>>7231875
I'm female actually, and consider my girlfriend female. I am a lesbian, and had to wrap my mind around becoming intimate with her, but it's worked out sex wise.

I just know that part of why she's with me is because of her obsession with my born-female body. I can see that her desire to transition is based a bit on delusions of grandeur..to become even more feminine than I am.

If I can ask, how does a toddler experience dysphoria? At that point what does male or female even mean?

>>7231872

I'm not that anon, I was interjecting on something I noticed.

>>7231893
>I was just joking, @Anonymous! Of course, we're #PC on 4chan. I'm so sorry if you got offended, >.<

Screw off. There's little "misogyny" in the Western world, and there's nothing "misogynistic" about getting hard from dressing up as a girl.

>>7231882
>some fetishization of the feminine
aka every single "transwoman".

>>7231920
>I just know that part of why she's with me is because of her obsession with my born-female body. I can see that her desire to transition is based a bit on delusions of grandeur..to become even more feminine than I am.
does that trouble you or make the relationship difficult? nice if it doesn't.

>>7231926
Sorry, not every trans woman

You'd have to a mental midget to think any one experience can be applied across an entire population.

>>7231882
Tell me how AGP trans women's dysphoria is any less legitimate than HSTS or CSTS dysphoria. Biologically, there is no distinction. Both groups are males that want to become female. That's all dysphoria is summed up to really.

>inb4 muh female brain meme

The evidence for that theory is tenuous at best. It can easily be argued that HSTS and CSTS trans women were really just highly effeminate homosexual males that internalized gender stereotypes at a young age and wound up with the delusion that they should have been born female or after social conditioning, came up with the idea that they'd function better socially as a woman rather than a feminine boy/man.

>>7231938
ofc fetishization of the feminine can take many different forms and be a different experience, retard.

>>7231693
I think that is definitely some reaching on those points.

I know that I get rid of the hair on my legs and suchforth because I don't enjoy having it there, and I like the smooth feeling of it being shaved. Does it really have to be more complicated? Do you give natural women shit for it too if they do it?

Making use of makeup is the same as any other women, a way of personal grooming and stylizing to present yourself the way you wish to. It is hard to find a girl that doesn't at least do her eyes regularly.

And wearing dresses and skirts is totally a matter of preference. I know I spend just as much time in my skinny jeans, which I LOVE the feel of.

>>7231943
Anon how DARE you DENY muh female brain you BIGOT!

It's been PROVEN by being suggested in the abstracts of SCIENTIFIC papers published by SCIENTISTS!

Don't you know that trans WOMEN are STATISTICALLY more likely to to fall into the 30% of men with brain structures more common in women, aka FEMALE BRAINS?

>>7231952
she's just saying if you don't pass then acting girly won't get you treated as a girl all the time.

>>7231926
You know, there's very little trouble in our relationship. We're good friends before girlfriends, and have fun being together. I find it difficult to make sex "hot and heavy" since she's pre-surgery, so instead we make it sort of.. casual, fun. Romping around.

Posting in this thread right now is partially just me letting off steam, since I don't want to break up or anything. I don't know if she really, REALLY wants to be a woman and everything that entails. I think she's still thinking about being a woman from a male's perspective.

>>7231952
it doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. Those are the same reasons cis women shave, etc.

But it's not what MAKES them women. the vast majority of human history, women did not shave. Vast majority of countries in the world today women don't shave. But they do in the US,non a personal level they like it- but why? Because at some point society found it more acceptable. It's nothing inherently to do with the gender or sex as a whole...
>I'll become more like a real woman if I shave my legs!
That just isn't... it's not real at all.

>>7231945
fetish = sexual

So you think people who have dysphoria since the first 5 years of their life have sexual motivations? Well I guess a certain amount of channer autist projection comes into play here. You probably 'discovered' wanking it at some disgustingly immature age like the rest of this perverted site.

>>7231920
>I just know that part of why she's with me is because of her obsession with my born-female body. I can see that her desire to transition is based a bit on delusions of grandeur..to become even more feminine than I am.
Firstly, you sound like a cunt.

Saying she has an "obsession" with you cis female body as a reason for dating you is just retarded. Yeah she probably is really into your body and all the things about it that make it feminine. That doesn't make her any more a fetish-ist identity fraud, than it makes every straight man obsessed with the female body a transwoman, or every lesbian equally obsessed with the female body, a transman. Her being into your body doesn't affect her identity.

And you're saying that her desire to transition is based on her wanting to become a natural born female like that's somehow a weird fetish thing? That's literally the point of being transgender. Sorry that she doesn't conform to your shitty ideology where women aren't allowed to do feminine things to feel girly and feminine. Not all women think/feel that way.

>>7231987
it's a bit more than being into my body. She'll grab my butt or boobs really tightly and say, "I want these." "Mine will be bigger than this." "Your butt is good but I can't wait to be even curvier." "haha won't it be crazy when I'm the girlier one?" "Would you consider getting transplants if I get transplants?" "If I take a picture of your pussy and show it to the surgeon, would you mind? I want it just like this."

anyway, I don't know about fetishes. I just think it's not necessarily based in dysphoria.

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>>7231855
Then stop acting like some weak willed closeted faggot and admit you're into Andro guys and date femboys.

Honestly, homophobic numale clowns like you disgust me. So desperate to prove you're straight that you start to manipulate mtfs.

I'd force you to admit you're a fag before we ever dated, I'm sure any Femboy would.

Some cringey, homophobic human trash like your self isn't fit to pass judgment on anyone. Your desperation to prove yourself straight is what pushes androgynes into rigid roles.

>>7231977
>I don't know if she really, REALLY wants to be a woman and everything that entails. I think she's still thinking about being a woman from a male's perspective.
what 'everything' do you mean? how is her 'male perspective' of being a woman not really being a woman?

>It's nothing inherently to do with the gender
what is?

>>7231987
>Yeah she probably is really into your body and all the things about it that make it feminine. That doesn't make her any more a fetish-ist identity fraud, than it makes every straight man obsessed with the female body a transwoman,
the difference is a straight man who thinks girls are hot doesn't want that hotness for himself.

>>7231986

If a child can physiologically have an erection from the time they're in the womb, is it so ridiculous to believe they could fetishize anything from before the age of 5?

>>7231893
Fuck off. Your unwillingness to admit you're into guys and just act it and your manipulation of others to keep your delusion is what's pushing femboys into a system that strips them of their identity and personality.

>>7231986
>You probably 'discovered' wanking it at some disgustingly immature age like the rest of this perverted site.
"Well I guess a certain amount of channer autist projection comes into play here."

>>7231987
>And you're saying that her desire to transition is based on her wanting to become a natural born female like that's somehow a weird fetish thing? That's literally the point of being transgender.
what's the difference?

>>7232012
>Then stop acting like some weak willed closeted faggot and admit you're into Andro guys and date femboys.
>So desperate to prove you're straight that you start to manipulate mtfs.
op is a cis lesbian... what now?

>>7232022
Thank you for confirming your mental abilities.

>>7232034
>i have no argument
ok.

>>7232017
>what is?
good point

>everything
I mean that she thinks her life will be significantly easier once she can fully pass as a woman. I don't disagree, since it's awful being androgynous. But she also thinks life will be significantly easier than being a man, like society is nicer to women and they get a pass.

That's where I think some misogyny comes in. Prettiness goes far in America. But women get beat and raped and looked down. No gender is a "free pass for niceness."

>>7232004
So what lol? Why is that such a big deal to you. I'm ftm so I get that it's different but I've never been more glad that my gf is a chaser. If I go on about being masc she gets into it lol, instead of questioning my identity. Imagine you were born in a male body too, wouldn't you be obsessed with the female form? Wouldn't you be obsessed with trying to make yourself more feminine, physically? Why are you so ready to just assume that she's really a wolf trying to parade around in sheep's clothing?

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>>7232023
Don't get so bent out of shape. You know that I support androgyny 100% and I'm sure you've followed me into the threads I've made about manufacturing a sexless society. I also don't have a problem with admitting to liking guys and mtfs.

Also, I didn't make the op thread and NEVER call me a numale ever again.

>>7232033
>>7231920

So then a woman who rather than admitting androphilic tendencies, manipulates andro boys into throwing away their identities and adopting some ridiculous persona you force on them.

Basically someone who fakes their gay sexuality and forces others to suffer so she can play pretend that she's part of the lgbt community.

It's as disgusting as the deluded "straight" men, but with lgbt hikejacking. You're the filth of the movement.

Heterosexual attention whore filth breaking our own into some ridiculous caricature and stealing the lgbt movement. You make me sick.

As a woman, yeah you're pretty much right. It's fucking offensive how trans"women" act like womanhood is a fucking costume, completely appropriating it. Sex is biological, it's not based on feelings. Half the time the reasons for being a "woman" are fucking bullshit like wanting to wear a dress or play with dolls...things that don't require genitals.

I'm straight but have been browsing here a while out of curiosity. In the transgender threads it's so obvious what a costume they think it is, everything from the way that they write and what they consider "passing". Talking about the most superficial shit, like they got their idea of what a woman is like from TV and Movies. They're buying into a man's idea of what a woman should be and claiming that's what a "female brain" is naturally like and it's fucking offensive. Can't wait for society to wake up to this.

>>7232068
Then stop preaching and making yourself holly while you go and manipulate others into breaking who they are.

>>7232062
>"Posting in this thread right now is partially just me letting off steam, since I don't want to break up or anything"

It's not that it's a huge deal, it's just something I think ought to be said. I see a lot of threads on /lgbt/ where transanon grasp at literal straws to justify the feelings they have.

>>7232076
>manipulates andro boys into throwing away their identities
haha wow, what, anon I can't even understand what you're trying to say here

>>7232058
>I mean that she thinks her life will be significantly easier once she can fully pass as a woman.
so she's not a retard.

>But she also thinks life will be significantly easier than being a man, like society is nicer to women and they get a pass.
how ever could she have come to believe that! you try living as a man for a while and see if you change your tune then.
remember, she's already experienced that.
>But women get beat and raped and looked down. No gender is a "free pass for niceness."
do you like under a rock where the only mail that reaches you is feminist propaganda?

>>7232089
tell me, what is so incredibly difficult about being male?

>>7232088
>I see a lot of threads on /lgbt/ where transanon grasp at literal straws to justify the feelings they have.
It's because of people like you that they feel the need to justify their own wishes and feelings in the first place. Understand that.

>>7232085
>It's fucking offensive how trans"women" act like womanhood is a fucking costume, completely appropriating it.
back to /cislesgen/ aka /terfgen/ with you! shoo!

>>7232088
>haha wow, what, anon I can't even understand what you're trying to say here
they're telling you that you're trying to push your own conception of "female" onto your gf.

>>7232085
You know, the gag is you're probably that same bearded man who rped as a lesbian and talked in a really creepy way about how Murphy was 'hot'.

That's pretty creepy man, rping as girls and wanking over everyone while you accuse fems of that despite gem doin nothing but exercising body autonomy.

Get out, fedora. Everyone's wise to your shitty impersonation.

>>7232089
>she's already experienced that
touche' anon. I have not had that experience and probably don't have a right to judge.

>>7232100
Thank you.

for all that you'veall called bullshit in this thread, I've gotten some nice perspective here. Thanks anons.

>>7232004
Ok, that is kinda weird.

>>7232088
i'm not gonna get into some huge debate but just reading through this thread all these trans people y'all are talking about sound nothing like the ones I know.

>>7232108
Those are men you idiot. r9k reeks of their shitty RP atempt

>>7232096
if you cared to know feminist and other misandrist bias in society against men, you already would. take some fucking responsibility for your own ignorance.

>>7232114
sorry normally detach trip out of gens, forgot to

>>7232108
but she's not an andro boy. She began transitioning long before I met her. I don't understand.

>>7232122
ok

>>7232121
men can be feminists (terfs) too.

>>7232110
Get out of our thread you creepy as fuck rper

>>7232108
Back to the mental asylum with you! Shoo!

>>7232109
I'm a straight girl who used to browse /adv/ and have been browsing here sporadically and I have no idea who the fuck Murphy is. Get a life, you clearly spend too much time here.

You're probably a Mt"F" transgender so it's ironic that you're calling me a fedora. Ok hun.

>>7232132
That's what their reddit says.

That doesn't change the fact they're all hairy homophobic men who think acting over women in their creepy way will get them some.

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>>7232133
ok

>>7232109
And you're the one probably wanking to this shit, the idea of being a girl. Then when an actual girl comes around making a completely non-sexual argument that no one would fucking wank to (nothing sexual in my post whatsoever) you accuse them of wanking. Projection.

If I decide I'm black because I love fried chicken and I have the IQ of a toaster, and make that case repeatedly, while getting surgery to make myself look black and tanning, black people would be right to be offended. It's not "doing nothing but exercising body autonomy", that's an extreme oversimplification from someone who clearly has zero fucking insight into how offensive your rhetoric and appropriation is to the people you're impersonating.

>>7232129
>but she's not an andro boy. She began transitioning long before I met her. I don't understand.
just explaining what the anon meant. you do clearly have your own idea of what it means to be 'female' which you haven't explained and consider your gf less female because she doesn't meet it. but idk if you're actually pushing it on her. the other anon just assumed you were.

>>7232141
>Back to the mental asylum with you! Shoo!
>You're probably a Mt"F" transgender so it's ironic that you're calling me a fedora. Ok hun.
you'll be real disappointed trump isn't the homophobe you wish he was, won't you /pol/?

>>7232141
I'm a Femgen faggot, I'm a guy and love having that as part of my identity. I just happen to like looking andro enough to confuse people.

And trust me dude, everyone can smell you cheetoes crusted scent where you go. I mean, you're even writing like some caricaturish version of what you think women write like. Disgusting straight man, get out and stop creeping around with your rp shit.

>>7232141
R9k called

>>7232150
My boyfriend is a TERF because he's doing a PhD in neuroscience and sees trans arguments about gender feels and brains for the anti-scientific self-indulgent bullshit that it is.

>>7232110
Honestly, if she thinks life is easier as a woman, she sounds immature. Not to invalidate her identity, but lol.

I'm sure she has a lot of other redeeming qualities that make you want to be with her, but please don't base your view of trans people off of these aspects of her.

>>7232188
And now you're obviously an R9K caricature. Let it go. Hormones affecting phenotype is pretty much part of the basic curriculum.

You're pushing your autistic caricature of a woman with an equally 2d caricature of a dr bf, sad

>>7232175
I'm not from /pol/ and I don't support Trump because he's anti-woman, among many things he's wanting to overturn Roe vs. Wade and defund planned parenthood.

Transgender isn't a sexual orientation. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, homosexuals are not denying basic biology and appropriating things that aren't theirs, making offensive claims that oppress those they are appropriating. I've always supported gay marriage.

You know what they say about those who assume. You're just making yourself look stupid since you're all ad hominem (+ all your assumptions have been wrong), no substance.

>>7232175
oh, thanks, yeah, sorry. I'm not pushing anything on her. The point of this thread for me is to air some of my doubts and confusion to someone other than her, since I know she would be very hurt by it.

>>7232198
she's an amazing person. We've bonded most through backpacking out in the wilderness together.
Maybe this is part of my own personal problem- when we're in the backcountry, it's just us two girls being a bit grungy and wild and working hard. But we get back to society she puts on all these false pretenses to "prove" she's a "real woman," not just to society, but privately, to me too. She'll keep her makeup on 24/7 and apologize profusely for having let herself get so dirty, when I was in the same state too.

>>7231952
>It is hard to find a girl that doesn't at least do her eyes regularly.
We exist. Granted I'm a dyke but I'm pretty feminine aside from no makeup.

>>7232188
if he's really doing a phd in neuroscience how come he believes feminist crap?

>>7232224
Ok, that's good! happy to hear it

All that stuff you were saying though was cringey af and i'd never say that and if any of my trans friends were like that i'd prolly distance myself from them, not gonna lie

>>7232198
>Honestly, if she thinks life is easier as a woman, she sounds immature.
spoken like a woman who doesn't give a shit about men or a hardcore white knight.

>>7232221
>I don't support Trump because he's anti-woman
you are the face of left-wing anti-lgbt bigotry.

>>7232235
why do you skip the makeup? how are you pretty feminine besides that?

>>7232254
Spoken like somebody with common sense that has a job and interacts with humans in a first-world country regularly.

Get a life.

>>7232221
Right, so an admitted straight man who likes to Role play as lesbians is now lecturing us on orientation and what's natural. Amazing.


Still not as cringey as that time you wanked over Murphy, but you're getting there.

Creepy men like yourself have no rights over my body autonomy. Fix your stalker and rapist tendencies before you talk about andros.

>>7232262
So the r9k creep who's cartoonish impersonations of women, and a fake doctor bf, make everyone cringe is now calling on common sense, nice.

>>7231962
But the thinking that the main goal of doing those things is because the person is desperately trying to feminize themselves is stretching. That was the point I was making, that it was literally just an assumption at that wording.

>>7232204
Now you're obviously a member of NAMBLA trying to justify why the rapes of male children are acceptable. Let it go. Society will never accept you.

See how stupid that sounds? Making assumptions reveals more about you and your weird ass biases than it does about the person you're speaking with.

Hormones affecting phenotypes does not mean males are being born with biologically female brains because feels.

Where have I posted an autistic caricature of what a woman is like? Do you mean that women who don't act like men pretending to be women ("Teehee" "haha" ":)" after every post) are like autistic caricatures? How is mentioning what my boyfriend does briefly to show that male TERFs exist creating a "2d caricature of a dr bf"? You sound insane.

>>7232262
nobody here is going to believe your sexist/feminist posturing and lies. just fuck off.

>>7232278
uh, no. I just spend time outside and have lots of friends and know how things work in the real world, dweeb

>>7232291
yeah, but everyone who isn't a NEET knows you're a NEET from what you're saying, so i don't particularly care

>>7231977
Okay going back to the post I initially commented on:

>she's attractive in an androgynous way, but her need to become more "feminine" all center around totally arbitrary things... like shaving her legs, learning how to do makeup, wearing dresses, etc. None of those things make any woman a woman in the first place...

Is that something that SHE has said? Has your gf said that she does those things to try to become more like a woman? If not, then it is probably just that she does those things to feel better about herself, which should be totally fine.

>>7232239
Go away red pill/transgendered misogynist.

>>7232254
Stop lumping yourself into LGB. T is not a sexual orientation and has nothing in common with the former. I've made it clear that I support homosexuals, they are not delusional in any way, claiming they're born in the wrong bodies. They just want to fuck adults consensually. They aren't asking the government to pay for them to mutilate their bodies or to be able to completely appropriate another class of people, being offensive. Not accepting appropriation of your kind is not bigotry any more than a black person not accepting a white person who says he's "internally black" because he likes KFC and rap music is bigotry.

You have nothing in common with LGB and people will realize that soon enough.

>>7232296
huh, the feminist shitposter/troll is a tripfag.

>>7232282
You sound like a desperate r9k thing calling twinks pedos as a way to get back against people seeing through another iteration of your RP. Let it go, man. Give his alma and other stuff if you aren't just shiting.

Getting pickled by stuff in the womb sure affects phenotype. Granted there's no such thing as male female brains but you get a dif phenotype deepening on womb crap.

That's why most men would kill themselves if their nuts broke but femboys can take all sorry of hormone warping drugs and be all the happier for it.

Yea, you do act like an autistic caricature tryin too hard tho tbhfam

>>7231642

Maybe this is true. I know in my experience this is not the case though. No matter how much you try to repress this stuff, and I had tried very hard, it all comes out in the end. I would rather deal with it in a real way and live a more stable life.

The way it was explained to me is that estrogen doesn't work in the same way for masculinized brain as it does with a femenized brain. But the fetishists don't care about the brain chemistry side, they just want a booty and tits...

If you are a boy with dysphoria then taking T blockers and upping E will render positive mood results, as the T was likely making you crazy and the E will help smooth things out. But, if you aren't suffering from dysphoria then the E will just give you boobs and make you loopy, and blocking your T will make you crazier.

Give them meds, unless they have other brain chemistry issues (like a mood dissorder), it should be a pretty easy way to see if they have dysphoria or if it is just a fetish. I don't care if people WANT to be the other gender, no problems here, but just realize that you are crazy and when you are crazy you make the rest of us look like assholes, even though when we take the meds we go from crazy to sane.

fin.

>>7232296
hey tranny tripcode user

>>7232265
I am an admitted straight woman. I've never roleplayed as a lesbian and I don't know whotf Murphy is. It says a lot about your state of mind that you believe any opposing voices must be some one weirdo you've encountered.

Get a life.

Creepy men like yourself have no right to appropriate my fucking biology and experiences.

>>7232312
how many women do you know in real life?

>>7232321
hi

better than whatever r9k fag you thought I was though, right?

>>7232310
get ye back to /cislesgen/ and or /pol/.

>>7232324
LOL right?

anyone who actually has experience with the real world must be this one r9k shutin, makes total sense

>>7232260
I feel like my natural face should be what people associate as being my normal face. I don't want my real face to be an uglier and disappointing version. Basically I'd rather occasionally look better than usual when I do wear makeup than occasionally have people discover that my real face was shit the whole time. I think I look okay enough to not be a hideous troll without makeup. I also just don't like putting it on or how it feels on my face.

Other than that I'm feminine because I do my hair and wear girly clothes, most of what I like is girly shit, and I generally act demure and polite in public.

>>7232324
oh wait you're a terf idiot

disregard previous post

>>7232278
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a liar!!!

Doing your PhD doesn't make you a doctor. He hasn't graduated yet. You're the only one making anyone cringe you fucking mentally ill weirdo. All I did was make a relevant response to a post because I saw someone else critical of the trans thing and now you're jumping down my throat convinced I'm some guy you have an agenda against. Get a life.

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op here, thanks everyone, I'm going to get a beer with my mom now. I really do appreciate the unfettered insight here at /lgbt/.4chan.yotsuba&.com

not that any of you care, just know that any replies you get aren't from me or about my gf

bye

>>7232324
Am i appropriating if by default, any social environment I enter genders me as female? Oh and I mean everyone assumes XX chromosomes and all that for myself

Gee it's sure nice tricking all these people and appropriating women!! This board just gets worse and worse

>>7232310
So the obvious man from r9k now thinks building an essay around nothing but his memes will help him be taken seriously in his latest les role play

Pretty sick man, your r9k is oozing,

>>7232344
good talkin' to you i suppose

again tho that seriously has nothing to do w/ur average trans girl

good luck

>>7232324
You can't talk in anything but r9k memes and caricature , that's pathetic as fuck.

Unlike you, I and every femboy not only admits we're guys, but we embrace it. We just like looking andro to the point that people might think otherwise, but being a guy is what makes it great.

You're impersonation though, it could use some help. Like maybe not talking in some ridiculous caricature of a woman strawman or not talking r99k like >>7232310

You're gross, wouldn't touch you with a pole. take it from a fellow guy.

>>7232344
You're hoarding girl images and using them for rp. Stalkery as fuck

>>7232360
>>7232363
>>7232368
>>7232384
this is reddit country, look at that spacing. Glass the fucking board, chink moot

>>7232338
So you admit it's fake. You probably can't even give the program and how far he's gone.

Knew it, bullshit. From an outed fat guy who Rp's as women. Sick pervert.

>>7232278
>he r9k creep
>fake doctor bf
Who?

>>7232401
what does spacing paragraphs properly have to do with reddit? some paragraphs are shorter than others, that's all

>>7232407
why on earth would she dox herself lmao

>>7232325
>how many women do you know in real life?
straight to the ad-hom. are you a cis woman?

>better than whatever r9k fag you thought I was though, right?
you wish, faggot.

>>7232332
>I don't want my real face to be an uglier and disappointing version. Basically I'd rather occasionally look better than usual when I do wear makeup than occasionally have people discover that my real face was shit the whole time.
hah, that's really clever!

>>7232417
It's not doxing, giving program and how far you are in phd would make you one of hundreds. No risk, it just proves he was pulling it out of his ass when any so would know such a thing.

why do retarded bait threads get the most replies?

>>7232426
it's not an ad hominem, if you knew many women in real life you literally wouldn't be saying this stuff, it's not possible :P

>>7232436
That exclamation mark indicates that you're being sarcastic but I don't understand what you're making fun of.

>>7232363
except /r9k/ is mostly red-pilled and pro-trans. this poster reeks of the kind of bigotry you get from cis lesbians, feminists and /pol/.

>>7232338
>Doing your PhD doesn't make you a doctor.
PhDs, not really doctors.

>>7232456
You'll never get that PhD if you don't improve your reading comprehension skills.

>>7232315
>"You're trying to hard to tbhfam"
>Every post disagreeing with me gets paranoid over the top accusations clearly resulting from the fact that you spend way too much time here

And

>Getting pickled by stuff in the womb sure affects phenotype. Granted there's no such thing as male female brains but you get a dif phenotype deepening on womb crap.

I don't even know what you're trying to say, this is all just disjoint buzzwords. What is your drive home point?

>>7232449
Except they like to copy Radfem arguments and use some caricatureish bastardized version of them. All the Brietbart guys who use them in reddit GC are proof of that. They use anything that they think they'll like.

>>7232328
Not a lesbian and don't care for /pol/. Nice try though.

>>7232330
I don't know how people like this even function. This has to bleed into their irl interactions.

>>7232360
I don't care if you get surgery to get breasts and like makeup and FFS. Just say you're a male. Don't speak as a woman. Don't say you're a woman because you fit female stereotypes and superficially look like one. Don't ever imply that you know what true womanhood is like. Don't claim to have a "woman brain". Accept and admit that you're male who decided to look superficially female. Don't participate in women's sports. Don't demand that people use specific pronouns for you.

You can be trans and not appropriate womanhood, I've met some and they can be great, but they're very rare.

>>7232363
You're the r9k posterchild, talking about memes and "les roleplays" when no one's even claimed to be a lesbian or posted any memes. Clearly knee deep in 4chan.

>>7232448
no, it's sincere. that's a clever way of managing how attractive people see you as optimally, so that you never look awful, get to save on effort, and make yourself look better with minimal effort.

it subverts typical female obsessiveness over appearance with a practical and innovative trick.

it's almost male, like not shaving often because stubble requires regular shaving.

>>7232384
You can't talk anything but accusing someone of being someone called Murphy and of browsing r9k and being a man. You can't accept that a woman would ever have an opinion disagreeing with you because you're so wrapped up in women having to be accepting of trans, the idea of a woman disagreeing with you is clearly threatening enough for you to go on weird out of place long winded rants. Fragile ego.

I don't have anything against guys who want to look andro who admit that they're guys, as long as they don't have any misogynist behaviors.

r9k is filled with misogynists, so you're completely ridiculous claiming I'm a r9ker.

You're gross, I wouldn't touch you with a pole because you're clearly mentally ill, take it from a woman.

>>7232471
So rather than talking and addressing my points, you go with more r9k memes. Nice

It's hilarious hearing you preach when even the op outed you as a fake. Just saying, it's sad seeing a man like yourself push that than just admit the gig is up. Just like your doctor bf.

I gladly admit I'm a guy and just doing the thing Andrej did with liking to look andro. Why not admit you're just a robot who likes to rp as lesbians and chicks with doctor bf

>>7232441
>if you knew many women in real life you literally wouldn't be saying this stuff, it's not possible :P
hah, get over yourself. women who aren't idiots know they have it better than men.

>>7232507
>You're the r9k posterchild

So in other words you admit you're one and just hurt cause everyone laughed at you pathetic impersonation?

>>7232407
I admitted it's fake? I was correcting you, retard. You said he was a doctor, when all I'd said was that he was doing his PhD. You become a doctor after you've finished it, not while you're doing it. So he's not a doctor. I'm not going to post my boyfriend's program on fucking 4chan, his department is tiny.

You're like a retard who thinks he's Sherlock Holmes.

>Knew it, bullshit. From an outed fat guy who Rp's as women. Sick pervert.

Lol what the fuck is wrong with you. I'm in awe over how delusional you are.

>>7232525
Mention a single r9k meme.

You've addressed zero points, all you've done is claim that I'm someone named Murphy and that I'm a man who's jerking off because I'm disagreeing with you.

I even asked what the hell your point was. You posted something about being pickled in the womb or some shit that made no fucking sense in relation to gendered brains. What the fuck was your point?

No one has outed me as fake (women can use message boards you retard), you're delusional and obsessed with being "right" so you post your paranoid ideas as if they've been proven to protect your fragile ego from being exposed to a woman who disagrees with you.

>>7232526
This is just hurting your case more and more for anyone who actually goes outside :P

>>7232534
No one laughed, it's just been paranoid and disjointed posts from you. Are you schizophrenic? Genuinely curious.

>>7232543
So how far is he, did you celebrate after his imaginary qual?

You're obviously shit, didn't have anything to give so you just attacked. That's why you couldn't give anything when you were called. Not being able to answer basic shit that would've kept anonymity proves it was bullshit.

It would've been so easy if you weren't faking it, man. This is a pretty big deal with any couple.

>>7232595
>So how far is he, did you celebrate after his imaginary qual?

You're clearly celebrating your imaginary internet debate wins, like a retarded Sherlock Holmes wannabe.

>You're obviously shit, didn't have anything to give so you just attacked. That's why you couldn't give anything when you were called. Not being able to answer basic shit that would've kept anonymity proves it was bullshit.

Sure hun, the fact that I'm not willing to out my boyfriend's program, am protective of my privacy around clearly fucking unstable individuals, and don't care to respond to every paranoid accusation of yours means I'm just a liar.

>It would've been so easy if you weren't faking it, man. This is a pretty big deal with any couple.

I don't even know what this means. Your posts are incomprehensible. You're just a mentally ill guy who decided I was someone I'm not, and I'm clearly not going to convince you otherwise. Seek help you nutcase, if you aren't already. I'm going to leave you now.

Thinking it's misogynistic is irrelevant. First of all, I don't think it is, but that aside, practically speaking, it is useful for tgirls to aspire to be what they think will immediately give them the benefit of female identity in the eyes of others. If that means I have to try to look prettier, who cares? I want people to want me. Satisfaction with mediocre looks is generally impossible for someone who knows that being hairy makes her feel like a man. So be it if a sexist change is still a change for the better.

>>7232618
Saying he was in pen's biomed and doing his lab rotations wouldn't have outed him. You just didn't have the info to answer a very basic question.

Does make it seem like bs

>>7232085
Fellow bio female here, just thought I'd give another input on this issue. It doesn't bother me at all what MtFs' idea of being a woman is. If you're forcibly and drastically changing how people view you, is not the most effective way to conform to the stereotypes of that identity? If your body is male but you wear male/unisex clothes and don't put on any makeup and don't shave or engage in typical female behavior, you'll still come off as a man. If you try to just act feminine without changing your appearance, you'll come off as a gay man. Women can get away with dressing and acting neutrally or even like a male and still be seen as women, but passing is difficult enough as it is. And if you want to be the opposite sex, then would you not fixate on the most obvious differences between the standard man and the standard woman? I'm sorry but I think you need to lighten up. Someone else's idea of how a female is has no effect you unless they're pressuring you to act in that manner.

You're probably no longer in this thread, but if you are, do you engage in the stereotypically female stuff they fixate on? Is that why you feel "appropriated"? Since I act and present myself in a pretty neutral manner, so that stuff is already pretty foreign to me and maybe that's why I don't care if they incorporate it into their identity.

And I suppose this is an appropriate time to ask something I've been wondering: What IS gender? All I can think of is the associated cultural norms and the sexual aspect, when you remove all of that what is the fundamental difference between male and female? Some mental aspects are certainly biological like aggression from testosterone, is that all there is? But then is a confident and forward woman not a woman? I've never really understood it.

>>7232938
>What IS gender? All I can think of is the associated cultural norms and the sexual aspect, when you remove all of that what is the fundamental difference between male and female?
it's exactly this. but those mtfs who get triggered by their bodies will tell your otherwise. they'll say it's getting triggered by your body. don't listen to them, they're just trying to justify their own feelings and if they were right, why would they care about the social stuff too?

>>7232938
>What IS gender? All I can think of is the associated cultural norms and the sexual aspect, when you remove all of that what is the fundamental difference between male and female?
I think a lot of the confusion about this comes from people conflating gender identity and gender roles, since gender identity isn't really a concept most people think about since for most people it matches up with their natural biology.
Gender identity is about one's self-image of their bodies as well as certain portions of the brain that relate to it. For trans people it doesn't match up with the rest of their bodies, which results in a horrible sense of wrongness that's kind of difficult to describe. Personally I guess I'd say that it was like being forced to wear a costume with a voice changer 24/7; looking in the mirror or hearing my own voice just felt like it was a different person, even though I knew that wasn't the case.

Gender roles are obviously the cultural norms relating to both sexes, and I don't really think those are the main issue for trans people, even if some end up over-indulging in stereotypical behaviors in order to be accepted socially or simply because they never had the chance to previously.
Some feminists really seem to hate trannies because they feel that they feel that "gender [roles] is a social construct" when the issue for trans people is related to brain development rather than social norms.

>>7231920
>part of why she's with me is because of her obsession with my born-female body.
Gee, it's almost like some women are attracted to other women, what a crazy concept.

>>7231920
>If I can ask, how does a toddler experience dysphoria? At that point what does male or female even mean?
It means "there's some fucking tumor growing in between my legs that isn't supposed to be there."

>>7232438

Because we're all filled with frustration, rage and self-loathing, and bait threads give us a cathartic easy target to channel it into.

>>7231642
this is a solid 8 or 9/10 baitpost

>>7231925
Is pigeon holing people into roles that many do not fit into, but you just don't think about them.

Just look at this board. So many trans women/soon to transition women wanting to be pretty young girls. An idealized form. It is rediculous.

>>7231938
You can say that about most of the people on this board. Hell, this site. Massive sweeping generalizations all over the place.

But yeah, it is strange that a good amount of the mtfs on this board idealize women that they'll never look like (including anime girls). There's a lot of young (very often teenagers) women posted by mtfs and many seem to hold that as the standard, which is absolutely unrealistic.

There are many ugly women out there. One shouldn't be surprised to be counted among them.

>>7231952
Women are conditioned into doing those things. You get a lot of backlash as a woman if you don't. You're treated as a pariah from a young age.