/ftmg/ - female to male general

>>7226744
>2.jpg
what the fuck is this shit

Saged, reported, hidden, called the mods, emailed moot, emailed the admin, called the cops, called the state police, called the county sheriff, called your ISP, called the District Attorney, called Interpol, called the NYPD, called the State Attorney, called the LAPD, called Child Protective Services called the FBI, called US Homeland Security, called the CIA, called the NSA, called the US Marshals, called the local courthouse, called your State Constable, called London Metropolitan Police, called the German Police, called the TSA, called the US President, called the attorney general, called the National Guard, called the US marines, called the US Navy, called the US Air Force, called the US army, called the Royal Navy, called the governor of every state, called the Federal Air Marshals, called every sheriff deputy, called the Coast Guard, called the US Customs and Border Protection, called the RCMP, called every park ranger, called the mayor of every city in France, called the British Army, called the Queen, called NATO, called the Russian Air Force, called the Federal flight deck officers, called the UN, called the Corrections Department for every state, called the Australian Federal Police, called SWAT, called the Supreme Court, called the Mexican Police, called the White House, called the DEA, called the inspector general, called the Secret Service, called CNN, called ABC, called the vice president, called the senators for every state, called congress, called the pope, called CHP, called the Department of Fish and Wildlife for every state, called the internet police, called the US Capitol Police, and called the Party Van.

>>7225656
>Excessive bodyhair is also a turn off but that has nothing to do with gender
trans men have more body hair than cis men of equivalent age and genetics
>>7226565
extremely
>>7226610
trans girls are adorable but i don't actually like dick
thanks to being a tranny i know too much about skeletal structure and aspects of male skeletal structure on a girl, like long legs and a slightly andro face, are a great improvement on the female baseline

>>7226758
I plan on getting rid of mine! I really want a bf I don't really care about genitalia but I'm not gonna use my thing.

>>7226744
Here we go boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEhvtTgL0pk

Shes complaining that her doctor gave her the t without making her go to therapy

Why did it have to be this edition tonight? I WANNA lift tonight, universe, I appreciate all the signs, but I desperately need to catch up on some sleep if I'm gonna protect mah gainz.

>>7228703
You won't have any gains to protect unless you lift.

>>7227780
"This video is private"

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1.5 years on T
How am I doing, Bros?

I'm a gay guy and I want a FTM bf just because they're so cute.

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DogebroAnon, where's the puppies? Did the birth go well?

>>7228950
>cute
reeee

>>7228946
Got the creepy trans stare down, good job.

>>7229035
Anything else to work on?

>>7229060
Well, personality (I don't know you but) you might want to do the following things
-be incredibly premiscumous (have the nerve to ask strangers for sex)
-be very friendly and wanting to talk to people who obviously don't like you
-adopt the gay accent if you haven't already
-if you carry a pen, store it in your pooper

this will put you well on your way.

Oh and if someone calls you out, scream "IM A GIRL SHITLORD" while getting violent. Then when arrested, provoke the males, let them fuck you, then cry rape.

>>7229067
Might i add:
-intrude in conversations between strangers
-sit extremely close to people you've never met when in public places, preferably with slight body contact (butts close, hand next to their thigh... you decide)
-talk to everybody about gross body details, how much pubic hair you have, how hormones are shrinking your balls and therefore they feel like flappy bulldog maws, about how estrogen isn't making the vicious man sweat beastly odor, you name it
-Get a STD and possibly a disgusting skin condition and then proceed to show it to everybody talking in detail about how you acquired it

If you already do some of these things, you're almost set

>>7229067

Do you fuckboy realise where you are?

>>7229214
FUN FACT : the first rainbow flag was actually a rainbow of STD grime!

>>7229229
I guess they didn't, but either the poster they replied to was a troll or the worst passing ftm I've ever seen.

If they were serious:
Cut your hair for a start and stop plucking your eyebrows.

>>7229294
HEY YOU FUCKING SHITLORD!!! DONT BE OPPRESSIVE TO TRANS PEOPLE!

not a ftm but this seems like a good place to ask

can I narrow my hips through surgery?

>>7229735
probably not :'(
you could get liposuction on them if the problem is fat, but fixing bone structure is more likely than not impossible under current technology
i'm not making 100% statements because i'm a delusional optimist who thinks he can shave down his hips, but anyone else would

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>>7229766
no it's mostly bone and muscle and everyone keeps commenting on my wide hips

I'm a guy btw :^)

>>7226758
>trans men have more body hair than cis men of equivalent age and genetics
Yeah, but safety razors and hair removal lotions do exist

>>7229770
post hips, dude

>>7226758
Do trans men really have more body hair? I've never heard that before. Our testosterone levels are supposed to be kept at the male average.

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>>7229802
f-fine

>>7229852
It's not a bone problem. You have decend quads but with your bodyfat% it makes it look like you have wide hips. Losing weight will help you.

>>7229860
Nuh uh I get these comments when I'm skinnier too.

>decent quads
that's another thing. I never workout my legs because I hate it and they're naturally big.

>>7229825
it's a general observation from seeing and knowing a lot of trans men over the past half decade
it varies in degree but the scale in general is shifted up, especially for late transitioners who tend to be about 90% hair
i think it's because rather than developing just from vellus hair like for a cis man, it develops from both vellus and terminal hair

>>7229870
How skinny did you get? You're kind of chubby right now.

>>7229852
Your hips look just fine. Meaty muscly man thighs are so much better than skinny twigs, embrace the hotness.

>>7229896
Idk. He haven't posted glutes yet. Unless he has glorious glutes those legs will do him a disfavor.

>>7229852
Post glutes, dude

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>>7229881
that's an old pic just to showcase. here's an even older one when I was pretty skinnier. just as wide hips. thanks for trying to reassure me though
>>7229896
I just don't want the wide hip comments :(
>>7229902
I'll just tell you they're pretty non-existant

I'm told I should try to get a refridgerator shape to deal with it

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>>7229931
Here. You look normal, don't worry about it. But you should take into account that your body seems to store fat to your legs like pic related. Keeping a low bodyfat% will minimize it. most men store more fat above the hipbones rather than under then. Are you latino?
It doesn't look bad though. I recommend investing in glute work to finish the look.

>>7229974
*them

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>>7228977
Bumping for puppers

>a super masc ftm will never throw you down and pound your bp with his mecha-penis

finally have the time and money to sit down and get a hair cut and get my hair dyed after 6 months.
>closed forever
shiggity diggity ruined my day. Only place that could get my hair cuts right and a cheap price, everywhere else charges 160$+.

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Memes aside, how many people here actually lift? Post routines and pics if you can.
I do calisthenics and apparently that's a hipster meme. Who knew.

>>7231181
*not me in pic btw

I booked my top surgery. It's May 2nd. How do I keep busy until that time?

>>7230566
>this is my goal one day
T don't fail me

To narrow my hips, i just started gym and diet, but, I'm gonna expect some change thanks to T or is just hard work?
I'm 11 months in

>>7231405
Ins't the deal that you need to lose the fat and then T make you gain it back in male fat distribution?

>>7228886
of course

it was just milo complaining that her doctor gave her test so quickly

>>7227780
>>7231736
Why would you complain about that?

>>7231740
probably was mad she isn't going to get the attention she wanted

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>>7230444
puppers

My doctor told me zero smoking (pot) or alcohol ever once I start T, for my cardiovascular system.

I'm gonna that one guy who never gets invited to social events because he doesn't even casually drink.

>>7231989
Just get a virgin drink at the bar. Nobody will notice that it's non-alcoholic as long as you don't make a big deal about it.

>>7231989
>My doctor told me zero smoking (pot) or alcohol ever once I start T, for my cardiovascular system.
Is that due to health limitations or is that universal for T?

I'm by far not a heavy drinker but damn I'm going to miss cocktails.

>>7231989
dunno but i started smoking pot in middle school because the gym teacher warned us it would increase testosterone in women

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To tide us over until the next pupdate, have a picture of my mom's pup.

>>7231181
Straight cis man here.
I do calisthenics and curl bro stuff.
All so that I can overpower pre-op non passing ftms and dick them down.

You know. For fun and stuff.

>>7231997
I suppose if it comes to it.

>>7232013
The only preexisting health issue I have a slightly slow thyroid. I just take 25mg of lebothyroxin (levothyroxin? can't spell) every morning. I figured it was universal.

>>7232025
Dang. I started at 20.

>>7231663
I really don't know , i'm in the middle of a bunch of doctors at work and everyone tells me different things

>>7232037
That's an awesome pupper

>>7231989
Your doc is overreacting, just don't be an alcoholic or smoke a pack everyday and you'll be fine. Cis men drink and smoke and they still live a decent amount of time. Just try to eat healthy, only drink casually, and do some cardio every so often.

>>7231181
>mfw I started going to the gym enough to get ottermode
>stopped going because getting top surgery in a month and most of my gains will atrophy anyway
>also I've slumped back into a depression because the only thing keeping me happy was the endorphin rush from working out

>>7232082
Tfw mtftm and have to get top surgery

>>7231989
This >>7231997
I don't drink or smoke due to weird and intense allergies, but I still get invited to stuff just fine because I don't make a big deal of it.

>>7232082
You can still go to the gym just for the athletic high even if you're not doing it to stay fit. If you know it's better for your mental state might as well.

>>7232092
post tits

>>7232082
Keep going to the gym. The endorphins alone are worth it. Also, muscle will athropy less if you have a shorter break than a long one, so you should keep it up until surgery to minimize loss.

>>7232135
No but my face is here >>7228946

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>>7226744
does anyone have any info on surgeons who can revert mtf surgery?
i really like metidioplasty, however im not sure how possible that will be.

>>7232092
>>7232167

stop memeing. really nobody cares.

>>7232167
there's one in Serbia but I forgot his name

>>7232179
I'm not memeing

>>7232213
thanks!
ill look into him.
>>7232179
im not memeing unfortunately. ): i was pressured into it, even tho i wasnt ready, but felt like i needed some sort of surgery. i am 18 years old.
>>7232230
youre not me but i hope this helped you out too.

are there any other surgeons?

>>7232249
here's the link
>https://www.savaperovic.com/sex-change-reversal.htm

>>7232249
>18
>already has F top surgery
Yeah okay.

>>7232302
i was born male, but transitioned to female.
i just thought i would post here because i thought maybe someone would know about phalloplasty/relatedd surgeries with regards to reversing mtf srs.
so no i havent top surgery! sorry if my post was confusing.

>>7232302
stop feeding it, m8

>>7232341
omg im serious af.
im not disparaging mtf srs, or anyone's identity.
i just was never dysphoric about my dick, and now im dysphoric about my vagina.

>>7232167
I'm not sure if you'll be able to get metoidioplasty. It relies on the growth of the natal clitoris caused by testosterone. Phallo might be your only option. You can choose abdominal, which doesn't have erotic sensation but has less conspicuous scars and easier recovery, or free flap which has three donor sites, two of which have erotic+tactile sensation and one that only has tactile. In order they are forearm, thigh, and latissimus dorsi. The last one can get erect with certain techniques, the others will require an implant. All but the last will leave scarring on the free flap donor site along with a second scar somewhere else to cover the donor site.

I feel like I didnt explain this very well, I'm sorry. Gendercube on tumblr has an extensive phalloplasty tag and here's a website that might help.

>http://www.phallo.net/

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Why are there so many mtf generals on the front page right now

>>7232527
>mtfs are retarded
More at 11.

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>>7228977
Puppies are fine she had 4 minus the one that didn't make it.
All girls, they so cute and move alot

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>>7232734
Puppers! I hope you're straight 'cause you just got yourself a harem.
Dibs on Sammie.

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>>7232856
LOL I am straight.
Also this is my other pup Maggie

>>7232900
Floofball/10. She looks cuddly af.

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>>7232734

they have uncle dads...

>>7231989

there's other ways to be social and edibles... other drugs too

though probably shouldn't recommend any of the shit any of the shit i've taken today... i mean i feel great... can still function and shit but i'm so fucking high... took h and then xanax and codeine syrup with that other shit in it pro something or other... no smoking required... though we did smoke a spliff covered in the syrup... and i have a cigarette right now

but there's like kratom and passion flower and shit... and you don't have to drink to hang out in a bar... i don't anyway... i get high instead and then just chill though i can't find my id... so i can only go to bars where nobody gives a shit cuz anywhere that ids assumes i'm too young to be there... which is annoying cuz i'm past the drinking age by quite a few years... still get bullshit buying cigarettes too need my s/o to do it for me

unrelated to anything: gypsy interrupting me washing dishes to take a bath...

>>7232934

- the s, they just have one dad... that shit just makes me think of our
ex... her kids had that going on, but it was plural...

>>7232954
>>7232734

that was for you... probably obvious, but not correcting it would've bothered me for days...

I'm built like a linebacker and look like a man.
That's why I'm going back to male

>>7233099
Did the bf leave you or something??

>>7233136
No
I just learned that no matter how hard I try I can't escape looking like a man do I might as well embrace it

>>7233099
You were always male. You can't change your biological sex, regardless of how much you alter superficial traits.

>>7233176
Well I'm not talking from a biological standpoint

>>7233099
Btw you look good as either a transgender or as a typical male, even though you don't look like a biological female.

>>7233184
I know I don't and it hurts because I put money into ffs and tryied to feminize my body and it never worked.

>>7233165
Just embrace it ffs.
Stop dressing like a grandma fix yourself up. Low self esteem sucks just break out of it. Be happy that you're a healthy, have 2 arms and legs

>>7233201
How can I embrace it when I tried so hard to look female.
I imagine if you transitioned to male and you couldn't make it

>>7233099
You have the most unfortunate face, ravaged by hormones

Sure sucks to be indecisive

>>7233193
Well it was a stupid endeavor, like putting money into looking like a cat and then getting upset that people don't think you're a cat. Well duh you don't look like a cat, you're not a cat. You still have nice features and look good, use it to your advantage.

>>7232934
Yeah, we were pretty worried about that. I mean they could have health issues later on right?
And I'm pretty sure that the one that died it would of probably would of been special and a dwarf, his limbs didn't look like they would of been functional.

>>7233219
I know

>>7233224
You don't understand
Could you embrace your feminine features?

>>7233244
I do understand. You need to accept who you are. A biological male. There is nothing wrong with that and you can still look good. Let go of the idea that you're something you're not, stop trying to pass as something you're not. It might be hard at first but in the long run it will be a huge relief.

>>7233213
You do look female tho.
Just embrace the wide shoulders and such.
I'm short as fuck and i'll make the best of it.

>>7231181
I'm just on SS for now

SQUATZ
AND
OATZ

>>7233228

it's highly possible yeah... nothing you can do about it now though but give them homes or some shit...

>>7231989

I don't drink as a preference, and I still get invited places. I'm a boring fuck on top of it. You'll be fine.

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>>7233219
At least I have a decent smile even with goofy teeth

>>7233254
Do you tell that to all mtfs or vice versa?

>>7233261
I just can't
They give me major dysphoria
I know plenty of girls with Broad shoulders but I just can't deal with it. It's a mental block. You think at my age I could just let it go

You have a feminine face. Lots and lots of women are built like linebackers, and they dress well in clothes that fit them and look amazing.

>>7233308
i said this in passgen, you just look /uglygirl/
you look as much like the cis version of yourself as is possible
i know cis women who are fucking clones of you

>>7233308
You look really nice when you smile!
also, fuck yeah, Publix

>>7233338
I feel that I'm not trying hard enough though

>>7233340
Yeah it's my place of work

>>7233379
Sweet deal of a job! I've got family that keeps nagging me to apply there even though I've got a job, just 'cause it's so nice there.

>>7233379
your standards are unrealistically high
if you need to work on something, work on voice -- it is by far the most important trait
if your voice can pass without question, then you as you appear today can easily go stealth

>>7233393
Despite being paid well, I don't like it.

>>7233410
They are because society enforces these rules of how men and women should look. My voice is meh and needs work

>>7233308
I understand the dysphoria but you should see that, that should control you, it shouldn't stop you from loving yourself.

>>7232926
She's a biter tho.

>>7233308
I think you're adorable. At the risk of sounding like a white knight, I would love to have a gf who looks like you.

>>7232527
It's still like that. Is it just me?

>>7233577
MtFs are attention whores.

>>7233613
I like that tho.

How the hell am I supposed to measure my dick growth? It's so small as it is just starting T.

>>7233613
The order of threads on the front page isn't changing even though this thread is getting replies. Are the mods fucking with us?

>>7233760
I just realized I had it set by reply count. I changed it by accident at some point. Oh well, there are still a shitton of mtf threads on this board at all times and rarely ever two active ftm threads at the same time.

>>7233613
desu, idk why they have to come in here

>>7233730
Millimetres are a thing

Ive been hanging out with a guy I met that I really get along with, who as far as I know likes me quite a bit. It's unfortunate that it wouldnt work out, he's straight and while I know he knows I'm trans I don't think he gets the full scope of how miserable he'd be if he tried to Actually get into a relationship with me. this shit is complicated and i have no idea what I'm doing anymore.

>>7234105

my s/o used to consider himself straight, but knowing i'm trans wasn't offputting for him... he's been nothing but supportive, and even encouraging about shit like hrt and surgery... he always told me it doesn't matter cuz he loves me, and finds me attractive (and always said he's sure he would anyway even after that shit) and now after years of being with me he occasionally finds guys attractive... he's picky and has more rigid preferences with guys than he does women... but it's more that he prefers a certain level of femininity in guys (cis or trans) the same way he does with women + he finds androgyny attractive in either gender...

people's preferences can change over time, and be affected by who they're with (or have been with)

if he knows and understands you want to transition, then he might not care that much even if he generally feels different... people can have exceptions, and it's not like you can decide for him what he can and can't handle in a relationship... or whether or not he'd be miserable

there's more to you than being trans (i hope), and honestly no matter what relationships have problems at points... misery can happen, that's part of being close to someone sometimes... especially if they have issues

that doesn't mean the bad shit lasts or is on the forefront all the time, or that something isn't worth it though...

if it comes up just be as upfront as possible about yourself and your plans as far as transition goes and just see what happens...

alternatively you could just fuck around with each other 'til you transition... no reason why it has to be serious, and if it isn't serious then his thoughts and feelings about you transitioning in the future mean fuckall...

>>7234395
That's the thing I'm kinda wondering about, he is super cool with me being trans, and already pretty "do whatever makes you happy man" but I don't want to be a dick and get him into something with me that then gets us into the position of liking or loving eachother even but.. one party suffering because they aren't attracted to the other (Even if they are supportive).

As for the fuckin around, that's more or less where we're at right now, and I'm cool with it staying this way, us just being friends, or us actually becoming something.. I just don't want to make him feel stuck, y'know what i mean?

daily
>wah why can't I ever have a real dick
whinepost

daily reminder that bottom surgery a shit

>>7230920
real men don't spend more than $10 on haircuts

>>7234706
cis men still look like men with $10 haircuts. trans men gotta be more picky sometimes

(different anon but) If I could find someone who could cut my hair and not have approximately half of my head standing straight out at weird angles for under 60$ I'd do it. but no. and buzzing my head makes me look like a dyke.

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>>7234706
real men cut their own hair because they're afraid of talking to the hairdresser lady

>>7233308
Wait, are you biologically male or female? I'm so confused. At first I thought "Wow, he'll never pass as male" but now I don't know what to think.

>>7234995
It's a guy that transitioned into a girl, didn't like it, and is now trying to transition back into a guy.

>>7230920
Where the fuck do you live, Beverly Hills?

>>7233308

Wait wait, if your male features give you dysphoria, why are you going back to male? Surely halfway there is better than nothing.

>>7234595

sorry passed out last night...

anyway... i don't think that's a decision you can make for him in advance... he probably knows better than you do what he's ok with, and he really might be ok with it (you could reiterate the changes and such if you're that worried) + physical attraction is a really small part of a relationship... and honestly not even the biggest part... especially depending on the person

i'm extremely physically attracted to my s/o and vice versa, but that's not why we've been together 12 years... far from it + i haven't been physically attracted to everyone i've dated and it wasn't some horrible thing that made me suffer somehow... i just cared more about other shit in those cases... you're overinflating physical attraction's importance, or at least trying to make it seem like how important it is isn't subjective... but it is, and you might care more than he does (or he might not be that straight and just feel that way cuz he rarely finds guys attractive, but might still be attracted to you regardless)

you can't really decide where someone else's values should be when it comes to dating, or what they're gonna feel... cuz you never know

and you could just as easily get into a close relationship and be put off by something else and vice versa somewhere down the line... it's not like relationships come with any guarantees that they'll work longterm... physical attractiveness isn't guaranteed forever just cuz it was there in the beginning either, all kinds of shit that can happen can ruin that for someone...

if he really grasps it and is still interested and supportive then he really might not care...

i get your hesitation and concerns, i just don't think that's a decision you can make for someone else especially cuz it's based in your fears and insecurities

+ it's not like he'll necessarily feel stuck getting more involved, people break up all the time over a lot of shit... involvement now doesn't guarantee being stuck later

Guys, how do I let go a girl?

We fucked a few times, then she stopped the whole thing.
I ignored her then she acts all cute with me, I give her some attention and seems like I don't exist again

Really, fuck girls why can't I be a faggot

>milo stewart just started t after two appointments
>it took me four years to start
>another friend has been fighting for a year and a half with no end in sight
why is this world so cruel

>>7235873
>80% of the world's population is born in horrid poverty
>anon is born into comfy circumstances
It's not all bad, niggah

On an unrelated note, let's put Milo in a box and ship her to Somalia just to see what would happen

>>7235866
Nice dubs. Girls are crazy-

>>7235866
if it helps any, being a faggot and trying to negotiate relationships with men can just as labourious

>>7235216
maybe he has specialty hair? like afro or something

>>7235866

just find someone else to fuck, no reason to bother playing games... not like you had anything more going on with her anyway... doesn't sound like it at least so i'm not sure how it's a big deal to just not bother with that kinda shit... there's plenty of other chicks...

and eh, it's not like guys are any better a lot of times... they don't necessarily have all the same issues fucking around with a girl comes with, but they can be equally shitty all the same... i'm bi so you know... i've seen both sides of that shit...

>>7235902
>On an unrelated note, let's put Milo in a box and ship her to Somalia just to see what would happen
yes
we could take her on a world tour, even
see how much abject poverty and hostility she can stand, maybe give her perks (living quarters larger than 1x1, perhaps) if she gets a long enough streak

>>7234706
Considering the average up here for (just) haircuts are $20 for men you are already off.
>>7234899
I agree. The lady I usually went to at this place did subtle differences where it came off as more masc. but when I go to other people I'm not sure how they fuck up a basic cut but I just feel like I look more feminine after it. Also since I dye my hair a light blond the subtle differences do a lot.
>>7235216
Is New York close enough?

>>7235940

if you're in nyc there's a shitton of neighborhoods and places you could go to get a haircut that are cheap... get on a train and go to a different neighborhood if the prices around you are shit...

>>7235949

+ btw it's not that they're "fucking up" it's that a lot of hairdressers are trained to do what they feel is best and then try to convince the client that it's what they want... regardless of what's asked for... so they'll intentionally make it more feminine thinking you're mistaken asking for shit that's more masculine and they just won't do it cuz they feel like you'll regret it somehow...

i've knowb a lot of hairdressers and shit... and that's just kinda how shit works...

so if you're going to women's salons and shit (or ones that are predominantly women) that don't have a younger client base or younger stylists... you're probably gonna get haircuts you don't want

>>7235966

known* my bad...

>>7234706
i go to great clips and it's like $12 plus tip. i'd like to go to a barbershop but i don't know if i pass well enough. some days i get called ma'am and some i get called sir and i cant figure out what's doing it .

i have an undercut which is supposed to be easy to maintain at home but i have trouble shaving the back of it

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>>7231181
Pre everything here. I use the routines in pic related. Pretty good routine/app for now. Trying to not be a lardass anymore.

>>7237148
>pre-everything
Iktf. Running on E makes it harder to lose flab and harder to gain muscle. It's fucking poison. Even when you gain a decent amount of muscle the body tries to cover it with fat again. I can't wait for T magic to give me the gains I deserve.

>>7237725

>the body tries to cover it with fat again

no it doesn't, what are you talking about?

>>7237793
Women have higher bodyfat% than men because of E. To achieve the lean muscular look and maintain it you have to be on T. There's a reason why femboys and mtf lose muscle mass and gain fat, and why female bodybuilders take testosterone. This is news to you?

>>7237818

women having a higher on average body fat percentage doesn't mean that when muscle is gained and fat is lost the body tries to put it back on like it's some independent entity that does what it wants or some shit... that sounds like the same kinda logic fat people who insist their body is naturally 200+ lbs and will go back to it all on its own cuz it wants to be that size use...

and idk when i could work out i had an easy time putting on muscle... it's always seemed like people exaggerate and just don't actually put effort in when they bitch about that kinda shit to me...

>>7237906
To get the lean look you need to get down to around 10% bf, and that's basically impossible for women because of their hormone systems. As long as our bodies run on E they work as women's, storing a 18-20 % fat in case of pregnancies, while cis men keep 10-15% if they are in normal shape and maintain a larger % of muscle compared to general bodymass. This is why men are generally stronger than women, this is why men have higher TDEEs, and why it's easier for men to look muscular and lean at the same time.

>>7237906
>>7237977
Sorry if I sound arrogant btw, I'm just pissed because recomp failed for the billionth time. I'm so sick of having to deal with E issues. Fuck it.

>>7237906
I think you took that phrase a little too literally. Anon was just bitching that muscles barely show on women without some help from T.

>>7237977
>>7237992

it sounds more like you're missing my point and just reiterating something i already acknowledged... rather than being arrogant, you're just kinda repeating yourself using different words...

yeah men have an easier time with muscle than women, but that's got fuckall to do with the sentence i commented on and why i said what i did...

>>7238060

that's not always true though... like, at all... which again is why i said that seems like a lazy excuse that gets thrown around

>>7238091
you said
>doesn't mean that when muscle is gained and fat is lost the body tries to put it back on like it's some independent entity that does what it wants or some shit
And it's wrong. If a woman tries to lower bf% to the 10% limit they will lose a lot more muscle mass than a man doing the same, no matter how much they perfect their diet and workouts. At the same time they have a lower peak limit than men, meaning they will stagnate at a lower level of muscle mass than men, and their body will keep a higher % of fat than a man with the same amount of muscle mass.

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why do brain transplants not work right now

I'd switch bodies with you people in a heartbeat

>>7238108
I know it's an overused excuse, but it's based on truth. It's not like this subject haven't been researched. I'm more muscular than the average woman, but because of E I end up looking buildfat rather than lean, and have to do a lot more maintenance work than a cis man with the same amount of muscle. E is poison.

>>7238155
Speaking of lazy shortcuts, here's the manditory mtf complaint of the evening.

>>7238171
I'm not mtf
I'm a nothing wearing my body like a mask

>>7238204
You want to switch bodies. Clearly a skinwalker.

>>7238140

i wasn't talking about getting to a very low body fat % just building muscle and lowering body fat in general...

>>7238162

idk when i was able to work out i didn't have the builtfat thing going on... people usually thought i was just skinny unless they saw me in clothes where they could see that i had muscle... now that i can't work out and barely have muscle i'm 10lbs lighter and look like a spooky skeleton...

and my s/o can fucking build so much muscle so easy (he's trans too + all the women in his family can) it's impressive...

>>7238108
>seems
Yeah, seems like it. But it's true. Estrogen causes more fat deposits and limits muscle growth. Testosterone helps with muscle growth.
There's a reason men have more showy-muscle than women.
Compare girls in a gym to the guys. The guys will have very visible muscles, they're also much bulkier. The girls might have some faint biceps or abs at best.

>>7238155

i really doubt anyone in their right mind would switch bodies with me... but i guess you might be crazy and/or stupid...

>>7238246

except i've known chicks who can build visible muscle easily, and i used to have visible muscle pre-getting sick as fuck and being unable to do shit... like i said my s/o can easily pack on lots of muscle and so can all of the women in his family..,

>>7238230
>very low body fat % just building muscle and lowering body fat in general...
What in terms of overweight people? In that case it's true. But if the person is normal weight it's not true. The muscle/bodyfat balance is completely determined by E and T.

>i didn't have the builtfat thing going on
Sorry, I'm hyperboling a bit. I guess I meant builtfat compared to cis men with my amount of muscle mass. It's the different in bodyfat that drives me up the wall. I could be a ripped twink except my body tries to keep that 18% bf balance and demands me doing more than any other guy doing the same. It feels like the universe is laughing at me.

>>7238270
>easily
Do you know their routines or anything? I've known athletic girls too, but the amount of effort they have to put in to get the same visible muscle as guys is much greater.

Also your s/o sounds like a rare case, if you haven't noticed.

Anyway, seriously just look this up. The effects of estrogen have tons of research. Anon and I aren't bullshitting this up to excuse girl fat.

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>>7238270
Could you look like this without T?

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>FTM
>long hair
>I actually cannot remember the last time I didn't put my hair in a bun
Anyone else?

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>>7238270
for reference, pic related doesn't have visible muscle. They are olympic level female athletes.

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>>7238270
and a woman after roid cycles with a female level of bodyfat. If she wanted to present male, it would be interpreted as builtfat.

>>7238326
they have hella visible muscle wtf

>>7226744
How do I get shoulders like that

>>7238367
You're joking right

>>7238286

weren't they the person saying they were trying to not be fat? the op i mean...

>>7238293

it's a matter of genetics, they all did different shit... my s/o likes lifting his cousins were into fighting and idk what the fuck else they do... his sis puts on muscle easy too when she works out and honestly even when she doesn't

could be genetics, they're all part jamaican and black people generally have higher testosterone women included...

>>7238295

i couldn't look like that with t... i can't work out due to physical illness... i need a fucking bag of h just to do some shit like walk a couple hours

>>7238296

my hair is long, i usually leave it down though...

>>7238326

ok... that means what? all women are built like those 4?

>>7238351

people's bodies vary...

>>7238391
>ok... that means what? all women are built like those 4?
Compare them to the male Olympians in their respective sports.
The men have much more visible muscle.
Estrogen is the reason the women look so much "softer"

That's what this entire argument was about.

>>7238391
>ok... that means what? all women are built like those 4?
Show me a woman that can build visible/defined muscle and not look soft/buildtfat. Please. If you claim you have achieved this in the past, please post pic. Otherwise find a non-roid internet pic.

>i couldn't look like that with t...
I know. It wasn't a jab to your health situation dude. My point was no woman or person on E can achieve that but people on normal levels of T can.

>weren't they the person saying they were trying to not be fat? the op i mean...
Yes. true. And I see that was your point now. Sorry if I derailed the discussion a bit.

>>7238404
People's gender may vary is a better way of saying it. Hormones make a huge fucking difference. Like >>7238367 says, the girls can be seen as 'muscular', but for women. If they were guys they would seem uber-skelly and very young (just like transguys look before T hits properly)

>>7238407

no... the argument was about someone going off on a comment i made about how a sentence someone used sounded like fat people saying they're naturally 200 lbs...

literally never said that women can build muscle as easily as men, or that their natural body fat % isn't higher on average... also said there are women that can build visible muscle easily and that usually a lot of people who complain about the extent to how hard it is are also kinda lazy...

so yeah... you're not proving anything to me, cuz i never said otherwise...

>>7238458
No, anon worded it weirdly and you took it way too literally.

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>>7237725
It tries to cover it again? Idk about that but it is poison i agree. My progress is soooo slow its ridiculous.
Pic related is my workout for the day.

>>7238458
>women that can build visible muscle easily
Prove it Brooklyn. I need proof. And don't give me something like >>7238326 because that's not visible muscle.

>>7238471

they worded it like a fat person who says people naturally weigh 200+ lbs... it wasn't about how i took it, i was commenting on the way the sentence was written so yeah...

>>7238508
A person explaining proved limitation is the same as a fat person using excuses? That's like saying you're using your health issues as an excuse not to work out.

>>7238479
Keep going though. I like to imagine beating the poison out with every workout. Slow is better than no progress at all.

nobody warned me about the smegma

>>7238585
There is smegma

>>7238430

i actually don't have old pics of myself... i've been sick for over 3 years and i've been through a lot of phones and shit since... i don't have a computer or keep track of shit... i mean really, you expect me to be organized or good at saving things?

i'll ask my s/o to send me a pic of one of his cousins cuz she's a perfect example... she hates me though and all her shit is private so i can't on my own...

but again, none of this shit had anything to do with what i first said...

>>7238446

no women's bodies have variation as well... some women naturally have higher testosterone than others, that affects the way they build muscle... i never said a woman can be built exactly like a guy i said some women can be visibly muscular without also looking fat

>>7238485

you need proof and i need to go take some h and chill so you gotta wait...

>>7238528

go reread the sentence i first commented on... then tell me it doesn't sound like that, i was commenting on the wording... i'm not sure how many other ways i'm supposed to explain that so yeah i'm done...

i wish my health issues were just an excuse to not work out, my life would be a lot easier if i was just lazy...

the reason why i said that shit is an excuse is cuz i frequently see transguys using that shit as an excuse to do absolutely nothing before t...

>>7238663
so much. it hurts.

>>7238675
>the reason why i said that shit is an excuse is cuz i frequently see transguys using that shit as an excuse to do absolutely nothing before t...
Buddy this whole mess was about how pre-T bodies have too much estrogen to where working out is basically useless. All it builds is stamina and a routine, I suppose, but no physical results (unless you're fat)

>>7238675
>i actually don't have old pics of myself
so
>Otherwise find a non-roid internet pic.

>but again, none of this shit had anything to do with what i first said..
Irrelevant since the discussion has progressed since then, including from your own comments

>no women's bodies have variation as well... some women naturally have higher testosterone than others, that affects the way they build muscle... i never said a woman can be built exactly like a guy i said some women can be visibly muscular without also looking fat
>have higher testosterone
You just confirmed my point. Insert smug animeface.jpeg

>you need proof and i need to go take some h and chill so you gotta wait...
You should ease up on the H use, dude. All respect to your situation and all but still.

>the reason why i said that shit is an excuse is cuz i frequently see transguys using that shit as an excuse to do absolutely nothing before t...
Fair. I accept that. But you still shouldn't generalize. You implied that I'm lazy even though you knew nothing of my routine, looks or weight. Guilty until proven innocent and all that. And I'm not lazy, dude.

>>7238761
Nah you do get a small muscle base, but it barely goes further than what you get for free when you get on T. It's better than nothing, but still a joke.
And it's not useless because it gives general health gains even if it doesn't improve strength and appearance.

>>7229860
>You have decend quads but with your bodyfat% it makes it look like you have wide hips. Losing weight will help you.
So having developed quads with some fat covering them can make your hips appear wider?
That's interesting.
Are there any other major things that give the appearance of wide/narrow hips, beyond the obvious of bone structure and how much fat is directly on the hips?

>>7238585
Whoa, I didn't know T gave you guys smegma.
Sorry that you're having problems with it though. :<

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>>7226744
Penis transplant was already achieved. Would you have a BBC transplanted to you?

>>7238295
depends on how high your t levels are naturally

my body looks exactly like this 'cept i have small hands, but i'm also almost 6ft, have a deep voice and grow pretty dark sideburns(that could be cuz im italian) but i assume i have pretty high t levels

if you look like chase ross or milo then probably not

>>7238818
>Are there any other major things
hormone levels, but that is related to fat distribution and amount of fat. Guys with low T can develop feminine curves and gain more fat on hips/ass.
Also, ethnicity. There's a reason Asians make the best mtfs and Germanics make the best ftms.

>>7238848
Yeah, but that just confirms it. T makes all the difference, it coming from an external source or naturally.

>>7231181
i used to oly lift when i posted on /fit/

warning to you bros, don't do it
my thighs and glutes are fugging huge even after a cut,
i'm gonna need to roll around in a wheel chair for ever to get rid of them

just do curlbro upper body stuff

>>7238864
>hormone levels, but that is related to fat distribution and amount of fat.
Ok, makes sense.

Also, I thought the asian mtf thing was because non-asian Westerners are generally worse at clocking asians. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>7238761

exercise is never useless...

>>7238763

eh natural hormone variation doesn't prove your point...

and spare me the bullshit concern about my drug use... what i put in my body has zero effect on anyone here, and i'm not exactly in a position where me using drugs matters... what am i gonna do? destroy my bright future?

>>7238935
>Westerners are generally worse at clocking asians
And asians are shit at clocking germanics. Doesn't change the fact that most asians have small frames and that germanics have big ones, both assosiated with certain genders worldwide.

>>7238952
>natural hormone variation doesn't prove your point...
Yes it does. Testosterone makes all the difference. It doesn't matter if it comes from an external source or an internal one. Women with PCOS get more muscle mass than a normal woman because of T, a woman who has a natural higher T level get more muscle mass than a women without it. A transman on T gets more muscle from the same routine than a transman without it.

Women who wants to build muscle mass inject T, roids, to achieve todays muscle ideal.

T makes all the difference. see >>7238873

Also
>what i put in my body has zero effect on anyone here
It affects us because you post about it all the time.

>i'm not exactly in a position where me using drugs matters
It's redusing an already reduced health, so yes it does. Just because you can't achieve a perfect situation doesn't mean you should give up. That's exactly what transmen who refuse to workout without T does. A less than perfect situation doesn't give you an excuse to give up.

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>>7238864
>Germanics make the best ftms
>tfw mom's side of the family is a bunch of burly Scots and Germans
>tfw i didn't inherit any of it except for the nose
Which box do I check to kms

>>7238818
>problems

gross though it may be, i derive great satisfaction from running my finger under my foreskin (let's call it that for simplicity's sake) every morning before i shower and being able to smell something entirely male

>>7239058
women get smegma

>>7238980
Ehh, I guess.

>>7239027
>tfw my heritage is mostly German and Irish
>tfw was always really tall, but never big in the sense of being burly
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>7239058
Oh.
Good for you then!
Also yeah, having my genital smell change from hrt felt surprisingly nice.

>>7239025

i thought your point was that outside hormones were necessary... that they had to be taken rather than it just being possible for some people...

and me talking about my every day shit doesn't affect people here, there's no difference between it and reading pretty much anything else... do posts like this: >>7238155 have an actual effect on anyone? are you somehow affected by it on any meaningful level? i'd hope not... my drug use is no different... it's like reading the back of a cereal box or some shit

and you must have the wrong impression of me if you think this shit is somehow me "giving up" cuz i'm sick... i've been using opiates on/off for half my life... and when i'm in brooklyn i drug binge... the only reason i was ever as clean as i was (as in mostly weed every day and alcohol sometimes with occasional other shit) since these generals have been around is cuz i ended up living in the poconos for a while... ended up back here, and well... this is what i do

my point is it's of little consequence cuz i don't got a lot to look forward to and this is what i enjoy... can only live for right now cuz pretending i'm gonna have much going for me years from now would just be stupid on my part...

>>7235966
so this is why I have to ask every single hairdresser to cut it shorter three or four times in a row. 'cuz I brought in a photo, and it's always no where near the (lack of) length in that photo

>>7239215
I always ask them to "Make me look handsome. I have a hot date tonight."
They give me a look in the mirror and then they get it.
Also, once you find someone who does it right, reward them with a big tip and immediately make another appointment with them in a month or two weeks or whenever.

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>>7238570
Thats true slow is better than none. It actually helps to think it it that way. Every workout helps beat the poison out

>>7239241
I live in a town with a population of 8K, so my options are fairly limited. But I appreciate the advice nonetheless!

>>7235966
Ugh I just got a haircut and now everyone just thinks I'm a lesbian... Seriously, I was passing about 80% of the time pre-haircut and after I'm only passing like 10% of the time. Fucking sucks man. Plus it's literally just a mens cut, it looks good on me, but for some reason I guess looking good just makes people think I'm a lesbian versus the shitty mens cut I usually get at like Great Clips that makes me look like I have a fat potato face I still always pass afterwards.

I have a super feminine face and for some reason I pass more when I have a feminine haircut, like people just think it looks more natural I guess, and when I get a super short cut that's super masculine they just assume I'm an overcompensating bulldyke, idk it sucks but I like my hair longer anyway so I'm not complaining.

>>7239523
time for hat

>>7239523
I've been told that short hair makes me look more feminine because without hair framing my face you can see how feminine my jaw and face shape are, maybe it's the same for you?

> been on T for 3 months
> was utterly asexual until a few weeks ago
> abruptly have the libido of a teenage boy

How do I get off without setting off my genital dysphoria? It's really hit or miss right now depending on how well I can ignore what's going on downstairs. Better question, I got a packing underwear and strap-on to use with my girlfriend, which does fix the dysphoria issue, but isn't enough physical stimulation to get me off. There's a pocket for a bullet in the underwear, but it keeps sliding around and doesn't do much for me anyway.

>>7234706
>filed under 'things i wish were true'
I could do that at the Barber college, but goddamn is that a fucking crap shoot. I'd rather spend $20+tip on someone who knows what they're doing instead of spending another hour having a dude attempt to mohawk me.

If you're willing to gamble, though, yeah, find yourself a barber's school.

>>7239864
Is that you? Looking good if so.

>>7239864
セックス

>>7238585
you know cis women have smegma too right
>>7239027
africans do above the neck, see op pic
they can have kind of fucked body shapes though so it's a tradeoff, but overall black ftms = asian mtfs
east asian ftms are also better off than you would expect, the reason both africans and asians have an advantage is because both races genuinely are slightly less sexually dimorphic (not by much, but enough to make transitioning an easier prospect) and though asians are female-shifted an asian trans guy still, at least around white people, has a less difficult wall to climb -- he'll also generally have a straighter body structure
latinos are okay facially but have the same/worse body structure than africans without the brilliant everything else to pull it off perfectly
whites are variable as shit but generally come last in a category of major groups, individual ethnicities vary like crazy
>tfw scottish-australian

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Hey, how do you guys deal with dysphoria? Mine's gotten really bad lately. I'm not out yet (my parents are scary people), so only girls want to talk to me, and my social anxiety makes it too hard to talk to the guys I want to actually hang out with. I feel like I'm wasting my life... sorry to blog, but I just want to know if it gets better or not.

>>7240093
You're asking about dysphoria but describing social problems, which is it?

>>7240110
...Both? My social dysphoria has always been much worse than my physical dysphoria, and I can't do anything about it because I'm still in the closet.

>>7239864
did you get keyhole or were you on blockers? your chest looks great.

>>7239864
Your chest is G O A L S

>>7240140
I've never really liked the concept of social dysphoria, but... nobody can stop you from hanging out with guys if you want to. If you're closeted, just tell people you're a tomboy, no big. That said, as an out trans guy, there's not a whole lot of difference and the Secret Boy's Club isn't as big of a deal as society makes it out to be. Just make friends with people you like. Gay or bi guys tend to have less macho bullshit going on, though, so you may want to try there first. And if you're still in high school (don't answer that, this is an 18+ board and you'll get banned) don't sweat it that much, they'll be time in college when people aren't massively shitty and your parents aren't hovering over your shoulder.

>>7240093
Before I moved out to live with my Nana, who is accepting, and before I had a nice social circle and kicked people out of my life who insisted on misgendering me and shit because it made them "uncomfortable," I built a group of online friends that treated me nicely. It helped a little.

After my first shot of T, in my thigh, the soreness has been getting worse. I got it done the day before yesterday. Yesterday, it didn't hurt almost at all, but today it's been getting worse as the day goes on. Is this normal? Should I switch legs every week or keep doing it in the same leg?

>>7240231
Not normal in my experience-- who gave you the shot? I'd definitely switch legs, though.

>>7239864
Pretty sure this is a guy in the image, someone posted it in another thread

>>7240258
He'd have to have a pretty low-riding dick for it to be a cis guy, wouldn't he?

>>7240258
You mean a CIS guy. Shitlord.

>>7240243
I did it myself. The nurse coached me through it and showed me how to stay safe and keep the needle and all sterile. I just poked it in slowly all the way down at a 90 degree angle while sitting, depressed the syringe, and then pulled it out. The nurse applied some pressure with a cotton swab and then we slapped a bandaid on it. She watched me and didn't say I did anything wrong.

>>7240276
Could be just out of sight behind his leg
Also no chest scars
>>7240277
>Triggered

>tfw aap
>not trans but not really cis either
>no hope of ever having a normal sex life or relationship

>>7240305
The posture makes it look like it could be a trans guy with a smaller chest; not sure about the nipples though. The skin marks around his stomach could be binder marks.

>>7240305
I had keyhole and my chest looks similar to that. I wish I was built more like him though. I'm slim but I've gained weight in the last 3 months and now I look gross.

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>>7239215

yeah... they won't listen if they think you're making a mistake somehow, instead they'll alter it and insist that it's better that way... it's annoying, i haven't had someone other than my s/o cut my hair since i was in hs... and it was always a bitch to get it cut shorter than shoulder length...

>>7239523

yeah i always have people tell me to cut my hair and then i'll pass more often, but it doesn't really make a difference... which is why i keep my hair long, cuz i prefer it and it doesn't change the way people see me, sometimes i pass sometimes i don't... people try to avoid giving me a gender sometimes... or i'll get that awkward "he/she" or "she/he" stumbling thing...

that sucks though... at least it'll grow out soon enough, it's probably a matter of style + your features idk...

unrelated: high as shit, and walked into a mcdonalds to use the bathroom with my s/o and now we're just sitting around in here talking to some random guy who's high as shit too about europe (cuz we've been to a few of the same places) he just handed me a coloured pencil... i took it, but now all i wanna do is wash my hands... his nails are long and dirty

>>7240390
+ he's cool though we're talking about drugs now...

>>7239864
no way this is ftm

even if keyhole,, nipples don't look resized or scarred at all

>>7240556
some females have super small tits, so it's possible

Is there a term for tomboy or androgynous girl fetish? I don't want to believe I'm weird for only being attracted to this sort of women.

>>7239849
That's pretty common, T basically puts you through a second puberty, except with testosterone instead.
Congrats, you'll be a teenage boy for a while.

I'd recommend just grinding on something. Careful not to overdo it, though.

>>7240432
It's okay, it's the only thing you ever do.

>>7240793
shots fired

>>7240735
idk
not sure why you're asking here, this is a completely unrelated topic
>>7240793
>>7240831
pretty much
brooklyn should get a trip so everyone can filter him

>>7240793

i do plenty of other shit, i just do most of it while high...

>>7240831

eh i've heard worse, and anyway someone who means nothing to me can't get under my skin... i'm too apathetic for that...

>>7240902

if you dislike me that much you could just not read my posts... or respond to them... or mention me in yours... don't worry though, at the rate i'm going i'm probably not gonna be around long so you'll get what you want in a sense anyway...

>>7240902
>brooklyn should get a trip so everyone can filter him
Nah, I love reading Brooklyn's posts. They mellow me out.

>>7241147

thanks... i appreciate you saying it...

people only ever seem to love or hate me, never any in between... no idea why... i'm used to it though, so it's whatever

>>7239849
Just drop trough
Get drunk
Find "any hole is a goal" guy with a big one to grind hard on you till you get those sweet much needed BIG O's then go about your life.
Many dudes who'll do it are discreet and won't always try to plow you.

How do I get a qt Thai gf when I have no dick

>>7241755
money, green card

>>7235873

It was just one wasn't it? She went in for a consultation and they were just like "yeah whatever sign this and have a bunch of T."
Is it sick that I'm excited to see what happens? I need a new impending train wreck to fill the void in between the election results and Trump actually taking office.

>>7242018
much like with trump, my excitement is kept in check by my terror
i do not want to see how cis people will react to milo stewart's detransition and i especially do not want to see how her future terf self will react

>>7235873
Wtf, when did this happen? I thought Milo Stewart was going to be one of those non-transitioners or whatever. I bet you guys we'll see her decide "T isn't right for me" in a few months.

I started T after like 4 or whatever. Took almost a year from when I decided I wanted it to finally get it which seemed like a fucking eternity to me but I guess I'm pretty lucky compared to a lot of other people.

>>7238351
I want her to crush me with her thighs

>>7240332
Same, except I've been off my T for 3 months. Gained weight and now I'm gross. :_;

>>7242122
Why are you off T?

>>7242081
she literally just got it
i bet she will
specifically i'm predicting she'll start it, stop in 4-9 months, be 'still totally trans it just wasn't right for me', and then several months to a year after that -- possibly after restarting it -- detransition

>>7242291
Yeah, pretty much what I'm thinking too. Where did she announce this anyways?

>>7242305
both youtube and twitter
posted a box of her androgel sachets and all

>>7242311
Well damn, didn't see anything about that when I looked at Youtube. Isn't androgel pretty ineffective? Is she scared of needles or something?

>>7242311
>androgel
Wuss.

>>7242321
'androgel doesn't work' is a meme that might not be a meme -- i've known many trans guys who have excellent results on it, but others who had complete failures (as in refeminizing after switching to it)
the meme may be a result of people not accounting for its lower dose
i hate needles so at some point in the future i'll be switching to androgel but that's a long way off (still only four months in), and starting on it sounds iffy due to the potential for non-meme failure

>>7242081

Happened like this week I think. Check out her personal youtube channel, 'birchie rants,' she talks about it.
She's gone and done this soon after a meltdown where she cried on camera about nonbinary discrimination from 'fellow' lgbt people, so it seems like a real "I'll PROVE I'm a real trans!" reach to me, even though she says it's not.

Hi! would any of you who are on test injections like to participate in this incredibly scientific survey?
surveymonkey com/r/W7DGGPW

(add the . before com)

>>7242328
I didn't mean it in a "doesn't work" way but rather in a "less T than injections, therefore less effective" way. I was offered it too but my doc warned me that the amount of T in there is less, plus you probably have more losses too unless you don't go anywhere and don't touch anything and sit around naked or some shit like that.

I get the being iffy about starting on different stuff thing though. I had a choice of Nebido with long intervals which seems to have a lot of problems for people at the beginning, or Sustanon which seems to work for everyone but which was a real hassle finding. Obviously I always take the more difficult way so Sustanon it was.

>>7242331
I guess I just didn't have the right account then. Thanks, I guess, though I don't think I'll actually go and waste time watching the video.

>>7242350
i've been on gel for like... three-four months and my voice is already in the male range and i'm hairy as a bearskin rug. gel works the same as injections, but some people can't absorb it as well.

Why do you want to be guys?

>>7242500
i'm a guy
i have a rather horrifying birth defect that fortunately medical science can now rectify
i'm glad it can

>>7242508
I'm a ftm who is trying to repress but being a girl seems so appealing.

Please describe appealing things about being a guy to help me

>>7242508
>can now rectify
No it can't. It can minimize symptoms but not rectify the defects.

>>7242514
I'm mtf I mean

>>7242518
Grass is always greener on the other side. In reality it's never true.

>being a girl seems so appealing.
Sounds like agp to me

>>7242526
So what should I do?

>>7242564
If dysphoria is too much for you to handle I recommend transitioning. If not, you will benefit more by staying male because you will avoid discrimination and marginalization by doing so.

Ask yourself: how do you vision yourself growing old? As a woman or a man?

>>7242526
Why do MTFs always use the words "girl" and "cute"? Cis women never do that, it's so fucking weird.

>>7242583
They also claim being a girl is life on easy mode an 'so appealing'.

>>7242583
why do grown ass ftms call themselves boys?

>>7242514
i don't think you understand what gender dysphoria is

there is nothing appealing about being a man
thats not why im transitioning

>>7242595
They don't

>>7242606
they do all the time

t. ftm whos watched nearly every ftm youtube video in existence in the past 6-7 years

>>7242642
I recommend investing your time in more mature individuals

>>7242650
lmao shut the fuck up

>>7242436
It's also a lower dose, afaik. That's what I've been told, at least. Or maybe there's more than one type of gel that exists and the one I'm thinking of has a lower dosage, that's probably more likely now that I think about it.

>>7242657
and I recommend maturing a bit yourself

>>7242595
Because they never got to go through real boyhood. They never had male puberty when it was supposed to happen. Even the most accepting of parents would have been unlikely to put them on blockers, just as most parents now still do not. Wait and see, anon, maybe you'll like being a woman when you grow up!

I'd love to chemically sterilize my parents, put them on the opposite sex hormones, and see how well they take it.

>>7242699
It's not your parent's fault you're born defected

>>7242668
i'm on 5x.5g of tostran gel a day (so 50mg). only about 10% gets absorbed, so its around 5mg/day, meaning ~35mg/week, which is pretty average, if low.
it's working though. and you can always apply more if needed.

>>7242708
Yeah not here, it's pretty well regulated. What you can get here is called Testim, I think, and you're only allowed to use one a day. It's also much more expensive compared to injections so hardly anyone uses it.

>>7242720
i'm in the uk bud. its just in my area its easier to get tostran than testim and my gp had prescribed tostran a bunch for cis guys already so he was pretty knowledgeable about the dosages.

>>7242732
Yeah, I'm not in the UK. There's only one type of gel accessible where I live but my doc doesn't like prescribing it.

>>7242737
ah, ok. i had the "bonus" of us agreeing repeated stabbings wasnt a good idea due to my fragile skin, so we were pretty set on gel from the start.

>>7242238
Multiple reasons really.
Mostly being tied down to choose between paying mortgage & bills (on a house that isn't mine is my dads)or be selfish and pay for my T.
I was also unemployed for a month till now so that I'm pretty much drained financially.
Sucks cause at this rate I feel like I'm not making any progress and my transition is a failure.

>>7242888
Why are you paying for someone elses house?

>>7242908
My father got a dwi and now he's in some legal problem that I had to step in and take care of his shit.

>>7242917
Your dad sounds like an irresponsible person.

>>7242957
Yeah.
Makes me wanna burn the house down and collect the insurance money.

>>7243011
Sounds like you're an irresponsible person too. Wouldn't the insurance money go to your dad?

>>7242514
here is a list of appealing things about being a guy t. another mtf:

+easier to build muscle
+20 min more sleep instead of makeup in the morning
+people take you more seriously. this is huge.
+allowed to have resting bitch face by default; people don't ask you to smile all the time
+no periods
+guys will share body image stuff they never would share with a girl with you
-whether you like it or not
-never going to have periods or get pregnant
+maybe that's a plus for you?
=I don't know

anyway stop repressing anon-chan go out there and learn to program.

>>7243028
We'll yeah I am. Mostly I'd want to do that out of hate cause he fucked up my plans and I'm broke as fuck cause of the situation he has put me.and I know for a fact he isn't going to appreciate my help. He's in jail and he still finds a reason to judge me yet I'm the one who's keeping up with his house, my other siblings don't do much to help either.

>>7233308
Don't go back, you're so cute! It'd be a waste for you to detransition.

therapist had me sign disclosures to send out to doctors in the area so they can find out who can get me in & on T the fastest. fuckin' HYPE, man!

>>7243722
Sounds like you should just let him face the consequences of his actions. He has no right judging someone helping him.

>>7244175
Excite, man.

I still need to get the balls to call a therapist.

Just for gauging: how many appointments does it take before you get prescribed on T?

>>7244551
Not who you were replying to but that really depends on your country and who you go to.

So the girl I like is transphobic (says she isn't but she is). We kissed and I told her I have feelings for her and she has feelings for me too. We made out and it was obvious that she was dtf but I didn't make a move since she doesn't know I'm trans. Now I don't know whether I should tell her and face rejection for the slim chance it doesn't matter to her or just break it off before things get any worse. I'm stressed as fuck and all I do is lay in bed and smoke cigarettes. Have any of you guys ever been in this situation? What should I do?

>>7244618
Plus we are coworkers and she would probably out me at work

>>7232527
Good! fucking 99% of /lgbt/ is ftm bitching.

>>7228946
Stop fucking posting as a "ftm", you ugly bitch

>>7244635
You mean mtf

>>7244797
Yeah. Sorry I mistyped.

>>7244618
>(says she isn't but she is)
Elaborate on this?

>>7245197
She says she's supportive of lgbt people, but once she was telling me about a person she went to high school who had since transitioned with and how she thought it was weird and she intentionally misgendered them.
I do know that she's bi-curious or heteroflexible though, which leads me to think she might be ok with me being trans.

>>7245392
Random anon butting in, but that sounds more like she's unintentionally being transphobic because she's uneducated on the concept. I know people who would say stuff like that too but when I came out they were fine with it. That being said, I didn't date those people or anything so it could be different in that kind of cases.

Maybe explaining it to her a bit would help. From what I've seen, most people don't know that the brain and body developing differently is the cause. In my opinion, if you tell her something like that, she might understand sufficiently to not think it's a weird fetish or whatever she might think it is now.

>>7244551
Ditto >>7244602, it really depends.
For me I signed disclosures after my second visit, but it's probably going to be a few months until a doc has an opening, and I'm still seeing my therapist in the mean time.

A lot of American insurance requires 3 months of therapy & documented dysphoria in order to cover HRT, though.

>>7245524
I'm in Europe and it's the same here, a minimum of 3 months of therapy. I waited something like 3 months for my first appointment too. I've heard it can take years just to get therapy in the UK though, which sounds pretty terrible.

>>7233308
qt :)

>>7245508
I agree for the most part, but I feel like maybe it's too much of a risk if >>7244618 might be outed. Maybe dig for more information, converse with her about trans people and explain it from a 'third-party' perspective in casual conversation and see how she reacts before dropping the bomb that you're trans yourself?

>>7245863
Oh, yeah, forgot about the outing part there. Personally the third party approach is what I generally do, I somehow make an opportunity for the subject to be talked about and then watch their reactions.

>pre-everything, waiting on GIC, closet etc etc
>friend refers to me as she
>then asks if I'd rather she didn't use default female pronoun in case she offends me
>assure her not to worry about any of that
>she says to keep her updated if anything changes
Bless her. Pronouns are really weird to me at this stage, I don't refer to myself as anything in my internal monologue or speech if I can help it. "She" is gross, "they" is for assholes and "he" is deluded.

>>7245942
I'm glad you have such a kind and supportive friend, anon. I'd encourage you to go ahead and use he if that's what you want. I used it for four years before I started T and didn't pass the majority of the time (though I still used a binder and all that) just because it made me feel better.

Why do you think 'they' pronouns are bad? I'm fine with it as long as people don't start making up fake bullshit pronouns and slapping labels on themselves like 'demigirl.'

>>7245942
>>7245975
"They" tends to go largely unnoticed by most people who aren't LGBT. I currently use it because
>"he" is deluded.
is true for me right now. I don't fucking pass even slightly on my best days, so he/him gets me double takes and transphobic bullshit. They/them goes completely unnoticed, and means I don't have to hear she/her from friends and family and other LGBT people.

>>7245975
My friend is awesome, yeah, don't know what I did to deserve her being so cool all these years.

I think I've just never encountered anyone that used "they" in sincerity that wasn't an asshole. I've never met a trans person or any trenders so all I can go by is Tumblr nonsense. I use it in vague terms when I speak.
>guess who just cut their own hand open? this guy!
But I dunno, doesn't feel like a legitmate pronoun for me to ask for. I've tried refering to myself as 'he' in my head just for my brain to remind me that I'm obviously not and that's a real bummer.

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Transition timelines:
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Bottom surgery info:
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Passing guide for AAPs:
http://ftmguide.rassaku.net/

Old sites, but still great one-stop-shops for FTM information:
http://ftmguide.org/
http://thetransitionalmale.com

>>7246703
nice

>>7238296
nope. i wear it down and proud half the time. it means a lot to me

>>7246703
New thread fail.

>>7246703
shameful

God, my one coworker is so fucking adorable and he flirted with me all day today. I wanna fuck him.

>>7246703
I think you mean

new thread >>7246711
new thread >>7246711
new thread >>7246711

>>7244633

In another situation I'd say suck it and see, but if she might out you, then maybe it's best to just quietly break it off.