What are the ups and downs to dating MtFs? I'm starting

>>7035108
Just imagine the pros and cons of dating a geeky neet. A lot of MtF's fit this stereotype. Also they are usually down to bottom, so if you want one to top, then that's harder to fine.

>Most of us are have serious issues with depression, anxiety, and low self esteem. Some of us are pretty fucked up individuals as a result, but the majority of us are just sad and self-hating.
>In the majority of cases, she will NOT be down to do anything with her penis
>Be prepared to hold and comfort her if you end up becoming steady partners, because she will often feel bad about being trans (usually because of dysphoria, unaccepting family, or sadness about infertility). There will be tears.
In spite of all this bullshit, my girlfriend says it's totally worth it. But yeah, it all depends on the MtF in question. Pretty much all of us are damaged goods.

They were raised as boys so they are more modest than the average girl and don't expect the world to hand everything to them.

Seconding
>>7036082
Though, while it would be nice to have a sugar daddy it certainly dont *need* one.

Also I don't know about anyone else but I want to know that the guy I'm with is not a closeted fag.
Otherwise I just want a guy who will cuddle me and tell things will be alright when I'm having a bad day.

please love me ill be your mtfgf

>>7035108
Are there pros to it?

>>7035108
>dating for the sake of dating

Have fun being in unfulfilling relationships that will end on bad terms which you will always blame your partner for.
>wymyn are crazy
>trannies are autistic

My advice: don't date for the sake of dating

If you fell in love with a woman who happens to be Trans, let it grow and foster it. Where there's a will there's a way.

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>>7036430
kek

Ups: raised a boys: probably play video games, understand men, no periods or pregnancy, possibly intelligent, and prob have a job.

Downs:
mental health issues:
neurosis, gender dysphoria, social anxiety, depression, OCD, etc
Body:
N(e)o pussy, no (real) titties, bigger penis than you lmao (wont use)

Tips: treat her like a real girl. Help her with her insecurities. And don't fuck on the first date

>>7036485
>no (real) titties
This is false though. They have smaller than average tits but it's still tits and not silicone or anything.

Possible pros and cons.

Pros:
* Better understanding of you as a man.
* Better understanding of how to pleasure you.
* Allows you more freedom to express yourself.
* No risk of having children.
* Knows how to have a great time.
* May be more understanding of an alternative expression of your identity.
Cons:
* Mental health.
* Negative influences.
* Risk of STD transmission.
* Possibly shallow.
* May not have had healthy relationships.
* May not have the means to make money.

>>7035108
Literally all of the bad stuff about dating either gender, with none of the good stuff

I'm fairly normal, I like my video games and make decent money as a waitress at a high end restaurant.
I'm normal- ish looking and aparnently pretty, and short under 5'4.
I'm seriously planning on FFS(well nose job and trach shave) & boob job this spring/summer so I'll be even better looking than I am now, as long as I don't end up plastic.

>>7036770
>* Risk of STD transmission.
You are implying I can even lose my virginity as a tranny. lol

>>7035358
>>7036446
These two sum it up well.
Be prepared to deal with a pile of self hate and it you don't care for the person a lot it might become too much for you to handle.

>>7037078
This literally makes no sense, either you're a late transitioner and have lived as male passed your 40s and should have by then at least done a few things if not have children, or you're young and passable and every chaser on the block wants you.

The only explanation; you're a cis male fetishist who likes wearing stockings and wondering why he can't get a girlfriend?

They're mostly porn-sick sissies, so they will be must sluttier than cis women.

This is fantastic as you can dress them up in cute fetish outfits and literally go all day lusting after their delicious tight body.

Get some cat ears, a tailplug, a maid outfit, some cute heels, stockings etc.

Just fuck a drag queen it's the same thing but without all the emotional baggage trannies will saddle you with.

>>7039499
Or maybe I'm a trutrans who don't want to have sex as a man because I suffer from actual dysphoria.

And even if I were fine with it I'm pretty sure chasers are a myth or it's a specifically american cultural phenomenon because of what Janice Raymond did to you. I've never seen it where I live.

>>7036282
> while it would be nice to have a sugar daddy it certainly dont *need* one
Meh. I don't want to be financially dependant on other people. I'd be fine with having a boyfriend who earns more than me, but I don't want to be a parasite.
> I want to know that the guy I'm with is not a closeted fag
Would you be okay with a bi guy?

the sex might be good but overall i'd say not worth

i feel sorry for my bf because we've been together for 6 years and hes too invested in me to just be done with my bullshit

dont do it.

lol

here's what will happen. you'll fight a lot. she'll cry. you'll cry. she'll cheat on you. a few times. you'll forgive her. she'll do it again.

she'll do drugs. lots of them. sometimes youll wonder if she'll overdose. and she'll never stop cutting herself

>>7036485
>don't fuck on the first date
why are you trying to get people friendzoned, faggot?

>>7041455
Tranny here, I can confirm all of this is true, I'm always high on drugs and I have cuts all over.

>>7041569
same i have a serious drug/self harm problem you dont want that in your life anon dont even bother

I'm MtF and I am emotionally stable and a stimulating conversation partner. I can make cookies and build computers. I study at university and all I'm missing in my life is companionship.

>>7035108
be prepared for the very real possibility that she
may hate herself more than you can ever love her. Don't take it personally if she suicides.

>>7039499
What if I am just a virgin dude who realized he was a tranny? No one should love me.

>>7035108

Wow, some of these people are going to throw you off the tranny chasing game for good if they're the only ones who post.

>I've never cut myself on purpose
>I don't have any addictions
>I don't smoke tobacco or anything else
>I'm not the type to cheat
>I don't have casual sex
>I would not top you but I would allow you to play with my penis
>I do hate myself and spend a large portion of every day regretting my choices in the past
>I'm a NEET and find it difficult to dedicate myself to my studies now, I was different before puberty
>I don't pass
>I am socially/emotionally stunted

>>7035108
Well, my bf says that of all the girls he has been with, I am the first to ever really try to make him feel good. I send shivers down his whole body when I trace his figure with my fingertips.

I do know that I am emotionally unstable sometimes, but I am not really that negative, just occasionally overwhelmed with transitional changes. At least this makes sense, what with changing literally every aspect of life being slightly stressful and whatnot.

PROS
>she'll be legitimately in love with you
>shares all your nerd hobbies
>genuinely happy when called pretty or complimented generally
>loves cuddling
MIDDLES
>clingy
>usually needing attention
>a lot of the times wants to fill a traditional female role in the relationship
CONS
>emotionally unstable
>feels neglected easily

>>7042246
So pretty much, she would be relatively high maintainence, but she'll be absolutely obsessed with you if you play your cards right.

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>>7035108
>Cons
crazy
sluts, fucks anyone who gives them attention
possible stds
narcissism
no vagina
has to flush shit out of asshole before fucking u
cant have kids
cant show them off to your friends or family
depressed
probably still looks like a man in certain lights
sounds like a man during sex
probably neets

>pros
sluts, fucks anyone who gives them attention

>>7042246
As a tranny, that sounds about right.

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>>7042246
you forgot the biggest con:

it's a mentally ill man with either a dick or a barren scar hole between their legs and not a real woman

>>7042283

>tfw I want to have a huge rack like that

Please, I can bear the weight!

>>7042290
agp

>>7042263
>no vagina
>downside
anal is THE most searched porn terms in the world
mtf's only have a tailhole,
you are in the minority to complain about no roast beef sandwich

>>7042363

What if I want large breasts to ensure that I will never be shown up by a cis woman and have my man stolen by her? And what else could this strong, manly back be good for but supporting the weight of having large breasts?

>>7036485
>understand men

>>7036770
>Better understanding of you as a man.

wouldn't bet on it, trannies don't just transition because they want to.

>>7042370
>you are in the minority to complain about no roast beef sandwich
hahaha wow you can't honestly believe this
no genuine straight man would fuck anything without a vagina.
sorry

>>7042460
Trap porn is the gayest thing a lot of men will consume on the internet

that being said a lot of them consume it.

under the right circumstances a straight dood would fuck a tranny for sure

>>7036485
Today, I read Wikipedia on neurosis and found out that I am a pathetic loser, who meets this archetype completely. (mtf)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurosis

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>>7042482
Not really. Trap porn isn't that popular compared to cis porn and most men who watch it are bisexual degenerates, not straight men.

It's just that tranny lovers LOVE to force their attraction into anyones throat and are very vocal.

Top 10 porn searches on pornhub in 2015 for example, shemale doesn't even make it into that list.

>>7042482
Depends on the person.

Are we talking transvestite or a transsexual person when you said trannie.

A cross-dresser and someone transitioning to another gender seem totally different.

>>7042501
Is this chart actually saying that women's most-searched porn is "lesbian"?

>>7042549
Yes. And it makes sense because lesbian porn is way DIFFERENT from straight porn. It's more sensual, they kiss and cuddle. Straight porn lacks that aspect heavily. But they recently started to produce more porn in this style with men too and that's called porn for women.

>>7042496
Neuroses is a plural term that encompasses a wide fucking variety of mental symptoms. It isn't an archetype, rofl

>>7042394
>trannies don't just transition because they want to
I do

I totally get men better than any cis woman

>>7042573
Chaser Scum here

Well I feel that ftm ladies are trying to be feminine more than cis ladies. Its super attractive.

>>7042601
you mean mtf?

>>7042601
Nonsense. You're a chaser because you like the cock.

There's thousands of super feminine cis girls out there and there's plenty of trans girls who aren't hyper-feminine.

>>7042636
yeah sorry. I'm tired. Regardless the femininity aspect is really nice. There's other stuff too but it varries from person to person.

Me:

Cons-
>Has moments of extreme stupidity - would get on anyones nerves from time to time
>Hates self far more than anyone realizes, will probably commit suicide in the next few years regardless of relationship status
>Will have some days in a row where I just want to be left alone. Wont treat people any different if they try to socialize anyway though
>No future to even think of. Career? Whats that?
>no real skills to mention
>Have a bunch of scars on my thighs where I used to self-mutilate, probably a huge turnoff for anyone
>Doesnt fully look like a real woman
>No vagina

Pros:
>Even though I dont do much, Im more or less up to almost anything. Want to go hiking? Not my thing, but Ill gladly go with you anyway
>Clingy. Can I has pets and hugs plz? ... Wait whyd you stop?
>Good at vidya, if thats your thing
>Very experemental sexually
>Would never cheat. Against what little morals I have, not to mention my obvious lack of self esteem disallowing it.
>Gives pretty decent advice when it comes to personal friendships and some general life stuff.
>Usually extremely socially aware. Sometimes has its moments of usefulness
>Dont like my own penis (Could be a con, depending on your taste, I guess)

With me, youd be getting a 'That one weird friend' with benefits and cuddles until you got bored of me.
One other major downer of me is that, no matter how much you told me you loved me, I will 'never' believe you. I wouldnt rub it in your face though, I just would never really believe you. It would probably only get brought up in serious talks though.
I would hold firm in my mind that you will eventually leave, no matter how much time passed. Id get into a relationship accepting that fact, so when you did leave, I wouldnt freak out as badly as some would expect.

So yeah. Im mentally ill.

>>7042549
yes
mostly because it focuses on female pleasure, which straight girls like, since straight porn
is mostly degrading to women and focuses only on male pleasure

>>7042648
Maybe its in my mind. I don't know if I like the cock so much to be honest, the girl I was with wouldn't let me touch hers and wanted me to fuck her ass alot. She didn't like her penis.

That being said I think I wouldn't mind the cock. I've just never tried it. If I did have it though I'd want it from a ftm girl. I don't find men attractive for some reason.

>>7042674
Women love being degraded though, so that's a crock of shit

>>7042679
There's no reason to chase mtf or prefer them over real women unless you had a fetish for penis or get off on the idea that you are fucking someone who was born male but looks feminine. Anything else you find in cis-women.

>>7042686
According to?

>>7042669
Not really mentally ill. You sound like my ex. Her problem was the last bit of what you said, she kept pushing me away because she believed our relationship was doomed.and I'd leave her.

>>7042686
>this is what men actually believe

>>7042686
Women don't like being degraded.
women want to please men and want men to like them,,
so they put up with it, because men enjoy degrading women

just like men don't like being vulnerable and sharing their feels but they do it anyway cause women like it

>>7042692
Im pretty good about having the "Do it anyway" mentality.
I like doing things that are different, or doomed to fail, to at least try.
Maybe some day life will prove me wrong.

If I got into a relationship, id do my best to make sure it lasted. Communicate a lot about most things that would actually matter.
I wouldnt doom it off my beliefs alone. Thatd just give me more reason to hate myself- and I dont need that.

I can see how Id come off as one of those types of people though. But no, Id give it my all to try anyway. I would just firmly believe in the back of my mind that it wont matter, anyway.

>>7042690
Maybe I'm chasing a bit of my past there? Honestly I don't know myself but I find MTF cuter in some regards.

Regarding regular CIS women however: this just came to me. I do not really care what is down between someone's legs because honestly I'm just there to please the other person. I don't find the vagina particularly beautiful nor do I think cocks look great.

I'm fucked up. I know.

>>7035108
I think the biggest con is that they have a huge inferiority complex towards cis women and it makes them insufferably depressed, insecure and incapable of loving or accepting themselves.

>>7042735
I'd also like to add that it makes them push people who actually like them away because they're always second guessing you and believe deep down that you either want them as a feminine man or some weird in between sex toy. I won't deny that there are people like that but there are others who aren't and they're too blinded by their own dysphoria and insecurity to see that.

>>7042718
You sound like someone I would get along with and love to hang out with actually. You seem like a people pleaser like me.

You just had some similarities as far as my ex goes and she would look for reasons why I might be breaking up with her. I'd catch her browsing my internet history and when I confronted her about it she stated "Well you might have something to hide". She started deleting people out of my phone (work contacts) and things started getting bad. She stated it was just for the good of the relationship.

It was exausting: I ended it. She was so worried about losing me that she ended up losing me because she was worried I guess you could say.

>>7042501

http://www.ibtimes.com/transgender-porn-best-seller-it-good-trans-people-2028219
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/27/transgender-porn-quickly-growing-in-popularity.html

>>7042674
>since straight porn is mostly degrading to women and focuses only on male pleasure
Actually the man is often reduced to being a walking penis. All the focus is still on the woman even in porn for men, because male sexuality is all about desiring and often pleasuring the woman. The first rule of porn is that the woman has to orgasm first, only then is the man allowed to. And when the man orgasms at most he'll muster up a "aww yeah". The woman is always portrayed as enjoying it more.

There's a point in it being unappealing to women watching it but I think the phenomenon is more complex than you're implying.

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>>7042772
Your point being? It's still not under the top 10 most popular searches for most porn consumers.

It's not common for straight men to like shemales, bisexual men do. I'm a straight woman and I like to watch shemale and gay porn. It's double the dicks. My straight boyfriend has zero interest in it.

And considering that I watch a lot of gay porn and browse gay porn-places, I can tell you that those have a lot of crossdressers and trap videos too. For some reason people in denial think that men who are gay ONLY like big, hairy muscle men... not true at all.

>>7042794

From the IB Times article

>On the free porn site PornHub, which offers 69 different categories of porn, the so-called "shemale" category ranks 22nd in most searched, with 1.51 percent of all category views. Although that doesn't sound like a lot, a PornHub data team member explained: "Shemale’s 1.51 percent of category views is still quite significant when you consider that Pornhub sees 60 million visitors per day. Over the last few years our search and category diversity has grown, so individual types of porn are smaller proportionately." The number one searched category is lesbian at 6.39 percent, while amateur, for example, gets 2 percent.

Do you see that? Even lesbian is only 6.39% of total views.

>>7042816
1.51% compared to all the cis-alternatives which probably take up the other 98% is not that much, no?

But all these things aside, I don't know why these is such a strong denial and shame about these guys being bisexual.

If a man actively fantasizes about girls with dicks and looks it up, he's not straight. And honestly most shemale pornstars don't look like flawless no-doubt passing women, you can still very much tell and hear that they were (or are) men.

>>7042850
There isn't such a thing as straight to be honest.

>>7042496

I was looking into Freud's theory on the mind and I felt it explained a lot even if it's not considered all that accurate anymore.

The id wants to represent the self as a woman and be recognized that way, while the ego recognizes that the people around me in real life make that an impractical and dangerous path to pursue.

Simultaneously, the superego imposes onto my ego the ideal image of the perfect little Catholic boy who is sexually pure, obedient, and offers nothing that could be offensive to anyone, especially not his parents.

The ego represses the id's desire, and seeks to pursue the superego's ideal ego. However, because the id's desire in this case is so charged with libidinal energy, it isn't something as easy to ignore as the desire for an extra slice of cake, and the ego is overwhelmed in attempting to reconcile the image of the ideal ego and the id's desire to be a woman. Thus, neurosis develops.

In my case, something like OCD. Saying to myself, "I'm not a tranny." Always closing the shower door or curtain. Not stepping on lines and preferring to always have the left leg cross over lines and changing the length of each stride to make that happen. If I scratch my head, making sure I do it at least 5 times at a certain rhythm and if I mess up having to do it again.

Or at least, that was how I understood and applied it.

>>7042928

I forgot to add about the head scratching thing: sometimes I would feel the need to go past 5 even if I did them all correctly because each one would not feel complete. Like it would feel unfinished to leave it there, and the more I went the more anxiety would build up.

pros:
>
cons:
>damaged goods

>>7042756 #
>Have problems with trust in a relationship
>Dig into significant others privacy instead of talking about it
I dont quite understand this. Doing this ruins trust even more, if not with the other, then with ones self.
Its pointless and stupid.
Also if your trust is so broken that you need to invade someones privacy, you shouldnt be in a relationship anyway. Its doomed to fail with no real chance to work unless youre a doormat.
With my last relationship, we were in a state of trust where we knew eachothers passwords to pretty much everythung, if we wanted. Not that we asked though, really. It was a 'just in case' measure really.
And we didnt check eachothers crap even once. Even with the privilege to.
I hope I find another relationship with the same level of trust someday.

I feel bad that she is in that position to begin with, but good on you for being the better half and keeping your integrity and self worth high enough to realize you should leave.

You sound like a mentally strong person, I hope you find someone else in the future.

>>7042973
>>7043002

There's a chance I find someone some day but I don't want to do dating sites online and most of the people around me are mormon so it's very slim pickings.

There's also the normal stuff where I have standards like any other guy and I might not fit the requirements of the the girl.

As far as the previous relationship goes it wasn't a good break (she was crying and telling me I shouldn't go and how she'll be alone forever now and how horrible it was ect ect )

At some point I realized it wasn't healthy for me. She called it "protecting what was hers" but it wasn't good. I kinda realize now that there is a level of privacy I do like.

Anyways I'm sure you'll find someone good too.

>>7042283
This was established with the fact that you're dating an MtF tho

>>7035108
HIV

>>7042162
This is pretty much me except these two:
>I'm a NEET
(Currently studying at uni but I'm thinking of leaving)
>I don't pass

>>7042816
why do people assume that pornhub is the google of porn? there's way better sites for tranny porn than pornhub, so the search statistics don't speak for every user on the internet.

>>7043179

What's the best site then? I have heard ashemaletube is pretty good. sexchangetranny seems like shit. I guess Evil Angel is another source but I haven't checked it.

>>7043197
there's ashemaletube, vividtranny, sexix. i'd say the last two are the best because they have a lot full scenes.

>>7042794
>I'm a straight woman and I like to watch shemale porn

You're not straight.

>>7043296
I'm actually not even a woman.

>>7043305

Hello, my fellow plant-kin.