How can you tell if a transperson is AGP or not? What are their

>>6736087
boners when in girlmode

>>6736087

Why does it matter?

Anyone who is
>non passing
>attracted to women
>obnoxious
>ugly
>didn't know he was female (agp are not women so do not get "her") from the first thoughts of gender
>doesn't consider himself female
>didn't attempt suicide or get hormones by puberty

>>6736087
They are a transbian

>>6736772
>>6736812
Basically this. I know a 26 y/o degenerate who's not on HRT and not planning to be, even tough he has perfect circustamces. He didn't finish the high school and he's stuck in his parents home, or rather a basement with a lot of old crap like atari and always blabbing around about linux (and nobody wants to hear that).

He's oblivously overweight and delusional, not a trans. But he thinks that he's a transgender and lesbian. Pathetic.

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>>6736087
I actually know someone just like this AGP thing thats being described. Was a normal dude all through HS then suddenly in his 20s he starts crossdressing. Still claims he only likes being dominated by girls, but sometimes guys. Pic Related. I dont think hes going to keep it up for long, my guess in two years he gets bored with it.

>>6736772
So in other words you're it's archetype

>>6737099
>always blabbing around about linux
>(and nobody wants to hear that)

Kill yourself you filthy casual

>>6737284
please, tell me more.

>>6737099
Or they're Trans and just very scared.
>>6737142
Or they're Trans.

>>6737291
Stop being a walking embarrassment and install gentoo

>>6737099
>always blabbing around about linux
kek

>>6736772
I'm non of these apart from being unpassable and not starting hrt until this year, I'm 19. I realized something was wrong when I was at Christian summer camp when I was little. I saw all these kids around me and I felt like I should've been one of the girls. I tried telling my fucking parents once or twice but they brushed it off like nothing. I so wish I was smart enough to tell the doctor that my parents abused me or some shit, like getting adopted by parents that would've let me transition would've been nice, maybe then I would have been able to stay alive

>>6737908
Please stay alive <3

>Christian summer camp
You sound like me. When i was young i didn't like being with the boys, even though i /like/ the boys. All my friends in school were girls.

>tfw almost no male friends ever in your entire life aside from sexual partners :(

I've been able to supress my gender dysphoria fir a while, dealing with depression and meds. But my dysphoria is stronger than ever now and i want to die. I also feel too old/masc to transition now, and I'm afraid if i go on hormones i might get depressed from that and die too.

>>6737099
This scenario is so common. Nerdy computer beta boy thinks that REALLY hes just a pretty girly "Lesbian" waiting to blossom.

Its really bad these people have their delusions fed by online trans communities and the like

>>6737142
>implying more than .001% of girls actually enjoy "domming" men. Becoming a sissy freak is not attractive to women.

>>6738259
>Becoming a sissy freak is not attractive to women.

I disagree. Most sissies are ugly, but the cute ones are a lot more attractive than "real" men.

>>6736087
Clothing choice is a big indicator to me. I'm content with a T-shirt and jeans. Yet there's timelines on Reddit where they dress like some kind of fetish object.

Basically, if you dress like a woman, you're more likely to be trans. If you dress like a girl, you're more likely to be AGP.

Being extremely kinky otherwise can be a tipper. There are definitely legitimate trans women who have fetishes unrelated to being trans, but on websites on fetlife the AGPs seem much more common - especially if they're into adult baby stuff, being dommed (by either gender) especially if there's humilation involved... it doesn't always have to be outright shit like sissification or forced fem.

And before a bunch of people jump in and say they're an adult baby or into being dommed and NOT AGP... I realize there are always exceptions.

>>6736772
>>non passing

A lot of this is just genetics though.

>>6738259
>tfw I'm a sissy freak with a dominant girlfriend

I'm sorry my life's better than yours

>>6738396
sorry, no
agp fetishists don't put any effort into transition

>>6738527
If anything I've found that agp fetishists often put more effort in and are more likely to wear a ton of makeup and go for things like breast augmentation because they wanna look like the porn stars they jack off to.

>>6736087
If they watch anime.

You can also identify them online with this, they will have anime profile icons, or on this site they will samefag with anime images.

Chris-chan is the Ur-AGP. The rest are variations of him.

>>6737099
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>6738631
If they say shit like this they are def agp.

>>6736772
Oh wow, it's happening. Just because you live in a faggot rainbow land and can access hormones easily without being beaten doesn't make others any less trans because they had to start at 18+

>>6738700
the non AGPs who couldn't "access hormones" before 18 killed themselves before them, retard

>>6738706
Aww well good for you, I started at 19 and pass, because I have a life, am strong, and I can afford surgeries.
Good thing my suicide attempt failed.
Enjoy your bitter hon life :)

>>6738717
found the AGP

>>6738724
I was going to make a long winded reply explaining why you're stupid, but i realised you're just a dumb troll.

hon/10

>>6738739
lol
you're the one who started this weird talk about hons, and your own life, as if this thread is some kind of personal attack on you (self-absorbed much, lol?)

>>6738759
No actually, i'm not the anon you're arguing. I just find your criteria to be retarded with no basis.

>>6738766
>>6738724
was my first post. i just like riling up the easily triggered

>>6736087
If they watch anime or use anime avatars

damn, you're still at it

>>6738396

And there are hons like Kay Brown who believe HSTS transsexuality and AGP transsexuality have different genetic markers.

>>6739238
I mean.. If it is genetic, why not? It doesn't seem like a large claim to say there are significant differences between people who vehemently insist they are women from a young age and are attracted to men and people who want to be women but didn't learn this or express it until after puberty and are attracted to women

>>6739355
>didn't learn this or express it until after puberty

I think saying "didn't learn or express this until after the age of 25" would be more accurate. If it takes you that long to start transitioning I'm kinda skeptical of you

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>>6739759
the majority of "HSTS transkids" were in modern terms late transitioners, the majority of them were effeminate gay men until mid/late twenties, they are not so much different to the AGPs late transitioners that they hate, they hate the end of the gatekeeping and that a lot of early transitioners (early adolescents or pre-adolescents and not twentie something like them) are gay, debuking their shitty theories.

i'm happy than the era of "AGPs, HSTS, homophobic transsexuals, trutrans, transkids with 25 years, division in the transgender community, trans men erasure, homophobia in the transgender movement, etc." is over.

>>6739941
to clarify, with gay i refer to same gender attraction, i know more adolescent trans girls who are lesbian than straight ones.

>>6739941
Oh yeah all the Blanchard typology stuff is bullshit, I'm just saying that in this day and age if you don't realize you're trans and do something about it before your mid/late twenties then I think something's up.

Also just because all the theoretical models are bullshit lets not pretend that there aren't fetishists who transition or claim to be trans, it's obvious there are. I don't think they're anywhere near being a majority but there's definitely a relatively significant amount of them.

>>6739961
>tfw you can't tell whether you're legit or not

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>>6738706
Found your picture hon.

I'd find that a whole lot more credible if it weren't coming from a big booming preachy man like you.
Don't get me wrong, manbeasts in dreses is disgusting but don't kid yourself, you're one.
>>6739941
This desu, there isn't a single person who's called themselves Tru trans I've met that isn't some sleazy old fully grown man. They're all pervs, even if they claim hsts

>>6740042
Kek

>>6739961
yes, pretty much, still exist a lot of transphobia, but were are not in the 80s when someone can lost all for being "a faggot"and nobody care, even the transsexual community of the era could no give a shit for you if you were not the right type of transsexual, now in the U.S. at least you have a lot of resourses to transition and a lot of information unlike the 80s, there's less and less excuses to transition in the 30s or 40s.

about AGP, i don't believe it exist, until i began to meet more and more trans and "trans" people, and then i see AGP for disgrace is real, unlike a lot of trans websites and reddit says, my ways to spot a AGP fetishist are the typical ones; if she dress in a slutty way when she is only 6 months in HRT and is unpassable and ugly, if her personality totally change bc "muh girl", if her begings the "girl mode" withouth even start HRT, if her have a obssession with youth and "girly things", if her behavior is creepy, if her have 50s and behaves like a steriotypical dumb teenager when she haves adult kids and is married.... i still think that blanchard dichotomy is pure bullshit, i've met a autogyneophile who like and only men, not bisexual not women in any form, he only like manly men, and still, "she" have clearly autogynephilia, she identifying a lot with the gay community in which she step the majority of her life, chasing gay men bc "she still have a penis" and sometimes mocking trans women attracted to women.....

i believe in autogynephilia unlike a lot of trans people who don't have experience with these people, i think the trans movement should acept 2 things, AGP is real, and that being transgender is determined by biology, is not a trend, is a medical necessity, dysphoria is needed to be trans, not gender euphoria.

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>>6740042
>this people believe they are passable
>this people thinks unironically that they are better than non straight transgenders
>they think "their kind" pass effortless
>they think mainstream society acept them bc they are "normal feminine women who likes men like any normal woman"

if you think about it, is very sad.

>>6739355

Here's the thing about that, if we keep going down Kay Brown's concept of transsexuality, gays and HSTS have the same causes, and one is just a different degree of the other. She supports this with two findings that HSTS and cis gays have in common that AGP do not. More older brothers, and a higher number of maternal aunts than uncles. Going further, she also believes homosexuality/HSTS and AGP don't run in the same families. The other stuff is believable, but I don't know where she decided to pull this idea from.

The issue with that is I would be classified as AGP, yet I have a gay cousin. My gay cousin doesn't fit the "more older brothers" bit because he's the oldest, but he does have four maternal aunts to two maternal uncles. My father is one of those uncles. And I think my father has admitted something of an AGP fantasy to me, so that would support the supposition AGP runs in families. However, if I got AGP from my father, then he got it from the same family that my cousin got his homosexuality from.

>>6740218
not sad, they're conceited, homophobic misogynists and being ugly does not excuse that.

>>6740148
AGP here. Not transitioning because there's basically no way I'll pass.

I feel that things are more complicated than you think. I both clearly have the fetish and feel awful about being a man. Been having AGP-style fantasies since I was in kindergarten. I really can't tell whether I'm trans or not. However I've spoken with a bunch of self-admitted AGPers in /agpg/ and a few of them admitted to having similar fantasies (which usually started as sex-free fantasies during prepubescence and became sexual at 12ish) as well as feeling dysphoric. Two transitioned and said that they were both much happier. One had their AGP go away after transitioning while the other did not.

I don't know how to make sense of this either.

>>6736772
>tfw agp
>passing
>attracted to women
>not obnoxious
>not ugly
>wanted to be a girl since age 9 or so
>consider myself intersex (HRT but no SRS so not female)
>started hrt at 20
>never been suicidal in my life
>>6738531
Basically this desu. We aim to look like the girls we're attracted to, the whole "agps not putting any effort in" is just a meme invented by bitter non-passing trutrannies kek.

>>6737434
>gentoo
install Arch nigger.

>>6740148
This anon is right.
Add ageplay and diaper-fetish to AGP indicators.

>>6740498
It's your choice to transition or not.

But what are your "agp-style" fantasies in particular?
Since you are experiencing dyphoria and are sensitive to your passing abilities (you don't seem to be delusional) your agp-level might be just fine.

>>6740743
As a kid I endlessly fantasized about boys turning into girls. I knew boys weren't supposed to want to be girls so it was usually done to them by force. At puberty these fantasies started to arouse me. I started to crossdress in secret. Aside from a few rare occasions they are all I've ever masturbated to. In time the "forced" portion of the fantasies became less and less prominent. I came to the conclusion that I was just a straight man with a very weird, very powerful fetish.

A few years ago, at 21, I started to have my doubts about that. I was always a depressive sort but everything just seemed to get worse and worse as I grew older. Out of seemingly nowhere I started to experience bouts of desperate yearning for womanhood followed by periods where I was more or less fine with being me. Numerous times I thought myself to be cured and each time the feelings returned with a vengeance, growing more intense and frequent. Nowadays if I don't occupy myself with something they tend to surface naturally.

The worst part is that I still can't imagine myself as a woman that strongly conforms to any aspect of stereotypical femininity without getting turned on, even as I feel that it invalidates me. I have to imagine myself as a defiant woman in unfeminine clothes to avoid that.

>>6740148
This

>>6740342
Interesting. I only have aunts on my mom's side.

>>6740720
>>6740148
Doesn't that mean Brown and all of those "hsts Trans kids" who are really old masculine men are the very steryotype of AGP?

Funny, it almost seems like calling yourself true trans is a type of cover for being a hon

>>6741049
>>6740342
>>6740148

Most boys, gays included are only children, hick. Large families with multiple boys are a rarity.

Birth order hypothesis is just P-hacking and no serious transitioners clinging to the HSTS/"trans kid"/true trans lable and using it against the young who get meds without doing their ridiculous caricature of a woman shitick.

Not only are those old preachy hons sleezy really uncomfortably touchy and intrested in younger HRT users, but femboys and stuff enrage them and they actually try and (fail) to keep them from getting meds.

Fact is those petverted old men simply can't handle cute boys looking more normal than them.

>>6740367
for me their desilusion is sad, their misogyny and homophobia just show how patethic they are.

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>>6741466
>Doesn't that mean Brown and all of those "hsts Trans kids" who are really old masculine men are the very steryotype of AGP?

Yes.

this woman is the principal advocate for HSTS shit theory.

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>>6736772
>non passing
formerly, got FFS and really good at voice now
>attracted to women
bi
>obnoxious
no
>ugly
no
>didn't know [she] was female from the first thoughts of gender
nope
>doesn't consider herself female
no
>didn't attempt suicide or get hormones by puberty
attempted suicide, but i found a way to pay for FFS; SRS is now covered by my new insurance

so where do I stand?

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>>6740148
That post was rambly but otherwise based

>>6736087
if they call themselves Robin

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>>6741727
You look like a female version of this

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>>6741524
"homosexual transsexuals" are just victims of their times, they are the embodiment of the worst aspects of early trans activism, they are homophobic, sexist piece of shit, waiting to be consider "normal" by mainstream straight society while they try to destroy gay people and transgender people who are not "normal", wanting to restrict hormones simple bc they don't like GNC people (femboys), forcing young transgender people to pass puberty against their will "to be sure", having gatekeepers who love "feminine and heterosexual transsexuals" who play to dressup in public having a 3days beard, forcing trans people to lie if they want to get hormones, scorning trans men even if they are "normal" (hetero and masculine).

they are not much different to your christian house wife who hate with passion "fags, dykes, trannies and all degenerancy" but with Stockholm syndrome, a lot of self hate and less religious.

>>6741776
english is not my native language, i'm from spain, and english here sucks, so sorry of the post was bad structure and written.

i was just my believes about "agp", the blanchard theory is just.... bad, too simplist, a antique homophobic shit, but blanchard theory being wrong doesn't mean autogynephilia don't exist, you just need to search some "sissy porn", experience of confesses crossdressers and our post about AGP on /lgbt/ to see AGP is pretty much real, for me AGP is just autogynephilia, "men who are sexually aroused at the idea or act of having a female body or being sterotypical feminine", liking men, women or both should not affect to the diagnosis of the fetish, i believe AGP should not be ignored in the transgender movement, right now is like the big pink elephant in the room, nobody want's to believe in it but it exist you like it or not.

and about "tru trans" i just want to say that for my the only requisite to be trans is having gender dysphoria. reducing being a woman to being 100% heterosexual and a submissive wife like "HSTS" and "tru trans" believe is precisely very fetishist bc they reduce woman to just liking men and being fucking barbies....

if anyone wonders my sexual orientation, age, etc.
well i'm a trans woman of 20 years, 4 years in HRT, planning to have SRS, bisexual and spanish, since we are talking about sexual orientation and autogynephilia i think is matters.

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>>6736772
>non passing
nope, totally stealth with the exception of roommate and family

>attracted to women
I'm currently bi with a preference for men, but pre-transition my sexuality was somewhat complicated. I was "attracted" to women but in reality I was simply fantasizing about being them with attractive guys.

>obnoxious
People have told me that I'm quite charismatic, but something like this is subjective.

>ugly
Doubt it, I get hit on all the time. Being AGP, I was unsatisfied with my appearance until I looked like the girls I was attracted to, and worked on it over the course of a year until I got to that point.

>didn't know he was female (agp are not women so do not get "her") from the first thoughts of gender
I had non sexual AGP fantasies prior to puberty and thought I should have been a girl since I was 6.

>doesn't consider himself female
lol no

>didn't attempt suicide or get hormones by puberty
I started at 17. Would have at 15, but I was too scared to ask my parents.

>>6741687
Jesus he just looks like a fat old dude with hipy hair, cringey knowing he acts like a princess.

The real gag is that even if hsts weren't a bullshit category made by sleazy old men, the only people who'd meet its criteria would be AAP femboys.

>mentally ill degenerates arguing about who is a true mentally ill degenerate

kek

>>6742059
Nobody asked you

>>6740148
most of those hons are actually hsts though.

>>6740342
you share two grandparents with your cousins. you may have very little genetic material in common with them

>tfw trutrans and have known since at least the 2nd grade that I wanted to be a girl but wasn't able to get on HRT until 18 and now don't pass

>>6742302
sorry, your just agp

>>6737908
19 is still early, you are probably still going through puberty.

>>6736087
Look for the ones who seem to "get off" on their own femininity. For example, I would classified as a tomboy because of my interests (vidya, programming, running/outdoors) but I have a very fem outward appearance and mannerisms. Therefore my femininity might seem a bit out of place and is mostly there because it feels good to me to be girly.

>>6736087
>gets off on the idea of being a woman
>hyper feminine
>either fucks men vigorously to reaffirm their femininity or just faps to her reflection
>is trans

>>6742397
>either fucks men vigorously to reaffirm their femininity or just faps to her reflection
They're "lesbian".

>>6742402
not necessarily
for agps tge sexual partner doesn't matter much and men seem to be preferred by virtue of fulfilling their fet made idea of "a woman gets fucked by a man"

tl;dr : AGPs fuck everything as long as it reassures their stereotypical idea of womanhood

>>6742425
>>6742397
But you're an agp bud. Like a portly German boy who keeps insisting that getting his dick cut makes him a real woman.

And calling yourself a lesbian at that.

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TruTrans:
>mentally ill fag who wants to be a girl
>also wants everyone to join in the fantasy
AGP:
>mentally ill fag who wants to be a girl
>not triggered when people have chromosomally based definitions of male and female

>>6742267
>hsts
Use quotation marks around it cause that fat man in >>6741687 acts real creepy around young hrt users

Femboy is hilariously enough the closest thing to hsts

>>6742614
>>Sex (It’s a Phenotype, "Not a Chromosome!"):
http://biologyclermont.info/wwwroot/courses/oldlab2/old%20m2%20geneprob.htm

Uh, only trailer trash who never took a college class would think that controlls bio.

It's sperm/egg production that's the rule of thumb.

>>6742577
ahem. lily is a cis woman, bigot

>>6742641
Fine then. My initial point stands. The only difference between TruTrans and and AGP is how triggered they get when someone refers to them by their biological sex.

>>6742657
Which if they can't produce sperm is null

>>6738421
Oh have no worries. I am not attracted to women no matter how "dom" they are

>>6739941
Thats false equivalence though. Them transition in their 20s in 1980 is equivlaent to starting prepuberty now adays. It was unheard of back then. ANd their "peers" were transiitoning as old men when they had nothing left of their masculine lives to interest them anymor.. they aren't really like agp honss in that aspect. You have to take history into account. ANd what society was like at the time

>>6739948
Yes you know more NOW. Because its all over the media NOW. So everyone transitioning NOW is doing it young REGARDLESS of their sexual orientation.


The only reason you know so many young transbians is cause you live in AMerica. In asia and south america lesbians trannies are pretty unheard of ESPECIALLY asia

>>6740148
i agree with you. these are all good indications of agp. Don't forgot the "hrt changed my sexuality now I am into men!!" after jacking to femaless their whole life (besdies the sissy porn)

>>6740218
they are accepted somewhat beter. Everyone feels more comfortable about a tranny that acts naturally femmme instead of the forced femme uncomfortableness of agps

>>6741727
are you asking if you pass?

>>6743052
Nah, they're creepy old men, very large bodied and they leer over effeminate boys in the creepiest way possible. They also think acting like some caricature of a woman and being against gay boys makes them legit.
If those self proclaimed hsts dudes aren't the archetype of AGP, then I shudder to think about what kinda perv they are.

>>6742014
it will never be acknowledged because the majority of trans activists and people who love being in the "trans community" in the west are agp. Especially in online spaces

>>6742059
most everyone starts young now. Means nothing. 10 years ago you would never have started in your teens

>>6742366
>programming
>vidya
You sound autistic. And I doubt you act feminine because to act feminine you need to socialize femmininely which implies doing things that girls do, ie. not programming


This is simple fact of socialization, has nothing to do with "being a stereotype" its simple socialization. A boy cannot be naturally feminine if they hang around boys all day and do boy things and boy interests

>>6743071
But the hsts are all old hons and everything they do is unnatural and caricaturish fem. They're basically straw bathroom perverts.

Ain't no way cute boys on moans would ever disturb people near as much.

>>6743060
So then you agree femboy-twinks are way more legit than you, right man?
I mean they're the closest thing to the third sex groups Asia has.

>>6742425
men are not prefered. You just want this to be true because you are lesbian. Agp preferred partner is a dominant women every time and they love and obsess over the purity of lesbian relationships. Two girls is the ultimate feminine experience, no icky masculinity to ruin things

>>6742319
I wish there was a chance, but I look like a young man. I'm cooked

>>6743110
Uh, not them, and not a tranny but But saying your doing girl stuff/not programming makes you a girl, is AGP as fuck

Creepy as fuck too. Your bad caricature is pretty much a punch line.

>>6743088
shrug. I don't know any but my point is simply that people its completely disingenuous to act like people transitioning in their 20s in the 80s are less trans than agps transitioning at 19 in 2016 when everyone does it young because its plastered all over the media and talked about positively by the godamn president of the united states even

>>6743140
Nope. I knew you would respond this way. Read my post again stupid. You clearly didn't read it clearly enough. You think socialization is just magic.

>>6743120
Wtf are you even talking about with this. I can't follow you on "femboys".

>>6743141
They're the creepy old bathroom petverts, that's all I need to know

>>6743140
It's pretty much the opposite, senpai. What normal girl do you know, does programming?

>>6743173
So you get what I'm saying. There's sick men who think staying away from that magically turns them into girly girls. That's not only just textbook AGP, it's also creepy caricature stuff.
>>6743147
Anon, all I said is that only a creep would think tha acting like a caricature of a woman makes them legit

>>6743224
Sure there are the AGP caricature types, but there's also the AGP programmer/nerd types too.

>>6743234
And you think by deliberately acting like some trashy girl caricature that it makes you less of a man?

That sounds ridiculous to anyone who hasn't crawled into your mindset.

>>6743094
>"trans community" writes constant diatribes about how agp doesn't exist and is only ruining everything for trutrannies and how fetishists should never NEVER be mistaken for trans
>"trans community" is just agps

>>6743266
Did you read my post? I said there are ones that act like caricatures. But, simply having girly interests is not being a caricature. Nuance doesn't come easy for autists, I suppose.

>>6743173
uhhh, a lot of them? i take it you didn't go to university (or at least not a very good one)

>>6743234
I don't really want to post a pic because this is 4chan and all, but I definitely don't look nerdy and people are surprised when I tell them what my interests are. I get comments from people all the time like "why do you have so many guy interests when you don't seem butch/tomboy blah blah blah"

>>6743141
The popular media and the president don't really show a real representation of how society feels about something. Even the most liberal of media outlets paint it with moral ambiguity. Young kids transitioning is still extremely controversial and most parents do not approve of it at all. There's a very real backlash against. Not everyone in the west gets the luxury of transitioning at a young age.

The problem I have with what a lot of you are saying is the implication that one cannot both be an autogynephile and experience dysphoria.

>>6741727
Nice scar, Frankenstein

>>6742577
I am aap you retard
>>6743127
kek you obviously know nothing about AGP and the theory behind it

>>6744571
Wouldn't you be like femgen then and be a boy who's into boys?

>>6744684
no because I don't live out my fetishes outside of my bedroom

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>>6744701
But you don't date boys either?
If you we're AAP wouldn't you larp as a boy with boys?

>>6745057
nah fucking my gf satisfies it more than enough

>>6745140
Then you can't be AAP

>>6745735
>fucking gf plays into my fet of being male
>"nuhu you can't be"
k anon M.D.

>>6745749
That isn't boy on boy no matter how you spin it

That's AGP, not AAP

>>6745749
>my fet of being male
But you're still a boy-girl. Having boypussy won't doesn't make you stop being a boy.

>>6745810
>AGP/AAP is really just another expression for gay/straight
I think you don't know anything about the theories behind AGP and AAP

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>>6745935
Never said that, and most self proclaimed HSTS are pretty much perverts and creeps anyways.

All I said is any AAP worth ther salt would be turned on by being a cute boy having sex with other boys.

Femboy in femboy satisfies cm/y fantasies femboy on girl doesn't

>>6746802
I see your point and sure it applies to some but just as blanchard and others like him noted AGP doesn't translate to "only fucks girls" and AAP to "only fucks boys"
for me fucking my gf and some other stuff does it for me
doesn't mean it does it for other AAPs tho

>>6736087
AGP is something radfems came up with. Modern medical professionals don't think it exists.

>>6736087
transgenderism is a mental illness. If you seriously think you are the opposite sex, please seek mental help.

What do I do if I have some agp stuff and some trans stuff?

[spoiler]kill myself ?[/spoiler]

>>6747361
AGP is a form of trans by definition
sooo talk to a therapist

>>6747097
then how was I AGP before I ever even knew what feminism was, let alone radfem

>>6747102
*gender dysphoria is a mental illness
Fixed

Can't tell where your standing. Post full length photo.

>>6743173
Okay, now you're definitely trolling.

if you
>are a crossdresser, transvestite, or drag queen
>have pictures of yourself on the net that are sexual in nature or of you in a hotel room
>if female clothing turns you on
>go to meetings at a crossdresser club, a transsexual club, or a gay rights group
>are "out and proud" (lesbians don't count)
>took a bastardization of a male name for your female name
>took something like "Luvs" or "Aphrodite" or some other overly-feminine, ridiculous, childish word or name as part or all of your new name
>hang out in drag bars
>if your friends hang out in drag bars
>have a "drag mother"
>own 6" heels and mini skirts
>do not own a pair of jeans and sneakers
>penetrate men in the anus during sexual intercourse
>"dress up" to masturbate
>can't have sex naked
>think playing with your breasts after they grow would be "cool"
>can't visit with every single one of your co-workers, friends, family, children, parents, or anyone else on the planet for that matter, afterwards
>still own a single item of male clothing
>display photos of the "old" you
>still have a single piece of your male life intact
>still go out as a male for any reason now
>do not plan on, are not working towards, or have not tried to get GRS
>do not have a plan that will see you through to stealth and beyond
>think your voice doesn't need work
>consider yourself a "transgender", "gender fuck", or label yourself as anything other than a woman
>describe yourself as "sexually confused", a "freak", or un-definable
>plan on being a transsexual rather than a woman
>think it will be easy
>start a fight when you get clocked
>haven't seen a psychiatrist, a doctor, and a lawyer yet
>get your hormones without a legitimate prescription while under a doctors care
>want more out of the transition than what any other woman out there has now
>think transitioning will make you happy
>want to become a transsexual, or, if you want to become a woman.

your AGP
Women are born, they are not created.

>>6748684
Because you're anonymous and anyone can say they're anybody with any array of experiences.

Is there such thing as a reverse AGP? Like a FtM who's turned on by their female body despite legitimate dysphoria.
Are there fully transitioned transmen who are also transvestites?

>>6750121
that would still be AGP

>>6742616

>Use quotation marks around it cause that fat man in >>6741687 acts real creepy around young hrt users

I thought she might. Even though she wrote this, the way she writes, especially about how she would help young, disowned trans girls by taking them in, seemed suspect. Like a pedophile attempts to make themselves seem safe to children to make them drop their guards.
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do/

>>6751734

That's what people say since she only started doing stuff related to transition after she had a domme prostitute encourage a sissy fetish. People also generally say anyone who started after 25 is AGP, some people place the cutoff lower.

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>>6750088
>tfw I know the source of this pasta

>>6750088
>do not plan on, are not working towards, or have not tried to get GRS
I am, and I agree with most of this It's just 4chan is confusing. If you don't want to get GRS you're agp, but then the thread about SRS is filled with whiny bitches.

>>6751726
That's kinda scary imo. Taking in disowned girls is bad enough, but disowned trans girls? There's a lot of opportunity for a bad person to be able to be abusive

As an AGP, Blanchardism seems more likely than repressed transgender. Kay's site is persuasive but I have trouble believing this hon is really an hsts. Agps with a technical background are common but a technical minded hsts should be really rare. Which is why Andrea James claims Kay is an asexual agp not an hsts.

>>6754096

I'm confused, where does Sillyolhon say that she takes in wayward transgirls?

>>6756164
I've read that post 10 times but I still have no idea what it means.

>>6756164

>Kay's site is persuasive but I have trouble believing this hon is really an hsts.

I got the same feeling. Especially how she talks about AGPs having a habit of reinventing their past to appear HSTS, even to themselves. It honestly sounded like she was talking about herself.

>I'm confused, where does Sillyolhon say that she takes in wayward transgirls?

This isn't the only place she mentions it, if I recall correctly.
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/all-the-wrong-moves/

i don't get why transpeople are so quick to shove people into categories considering, well, what being trans is about.. this whole thread is embarrassing.

99% of u would think i'm an agp because i do lewds but the truth is it's because that's how i make a living. i don't even masturbate how could i be an agp?

>>6756644

So you do sex work? If you're talking about real-life prostitution, that's actually associated with HSTS. Camwhoring is too new to know. Because HSTS usually realize so much sooner than AGP, they insist on transition usually while they're still living under their parents' roof, while AGPs finally realize they're fighting a battle they can't win when they're middle-aged and financially independent. Because of that, HSTS get kicked out and then depend on sex work to survive while at that same time, AGPs pass on undetected and unhassled into establishing careers that will allow them to avoid sex work later on.

Of course, this is more for the past, the internet and social progress have changed this a bit.

>>6756618

Oh I get it yes she does help wayward transgirls.

>>6756692

I dont blame AGPs for late transitioning. I'm 32 and still in the closet. Survival is more important to me then indulging my AGP.

>>6757174

If you're 32, what do you have to be afraid of?

>>6738371
If you don't dress how I like you're agp.

>>6759189

Well im far too old and masculine now. Dont want to deal with transphobia and dont have lots of money.

>doesn't have feminine interests
>not sexually attracted to men
>plays video games

>>6756164
If you talk to members of community you find that Lots of people claim to be of the "homosexual transgender " group and even talk about the two groups. There so much delusion in the trans community it's hard to tell. Obvious people with agp that have wives and kids and don't even transition fully still claim to be in the "homosexual transsexual " group. Its really funny to see such delusion.


My point is you can't trust people to self identify. All you can do is look at them and watch them and Make judgements from that.


I agree kay is probably asexual agp. Which is extremely common. Iv seen a lot people say "hurr I'm asexual I can't have a fetish". First all. Being asexual is like being sexually dysfunctional which isn't normal. It means your damaged psychologically. And these people still have qualities of agp. They just aren't as blatantly sexual as others. Also being a beta hyper omega male can make one asexual cause they just divert their pleasure centers into video games and shit.

>>6750088
Some of these are stupid and have nothing to do the agp vs homosexual dichotomy. Many of the things you have written just contrast the life of a passing ts vs. Passing. Stupid.

>>6751734
Yes. She's an extremely obvious agp.

>>6769408

Also worth noting that later transitioning gay men exsist. So a drag queen could become a transwoman and still do drag for example.

>>6769965
Yes definitely. Iv seen lots of later transitioning gay men. And frankly most h9homosexual are just that. People too homosexual to feel at allfulfilled living as a "gay men ".


I mean really being fucking sucks. Being a woman is like being a goddess compared to being a stupid gay guy that everyone secretly feels superior too because hes stupid dumb faggot. Even asshole"social progressive ". Being a passing trans women is way better. Too bad most don't pass though

>>6769382
Frankly, the only people I've ever heard use the "homosexual transexual" and "true trans" lables are old men that give off a sleazy vibe. The same I kinda pick up from old trolls even though at least I've got more potty for those.

They're really all creepy hons who overcompensate and mak themselves preistesess. Those madeup titles are just their way of raging against Femboys and other male identifying "fakers" passing far better than them.
>>6769167
>doesn't have feminine interests
Liking guy stuff is cool and dignified.

Only a monster would think that acting like a caricature of a woman would make him anything more than that

>>6770767

The theory here is that agp types will be extremely likely to have masculine interests that are uncommon among ciswomen.

>>6770767
liking guy stuff is agp

Okay, I've scrolled through most of this thread and I still have no idea what agp is.

>>6772834
accelerated graphics port

>>6763321

And I'm guessing you're not on HRT, either.

>>6775466
This is literally the only thing that came up when I tried to fucking google this. I'm so confused.

>>6777071

Autogynephilia. There you go.

>>6737908
>to stay alive

anon posts from beyond the grave

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>>6738637
Richard Stallman confirmed AGP

>>6736087

dare I ask what AGP stands for?

>>6775466

Ironically both wpath and the pc industry started to move away from AGP at roughly the same time(mid 2000s).

>>6736087
whats agp

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>>6777454
>>6777186

It means the [dumb bitch] you quested for is queer, so by the time you get to the second bull colossus, you pretty much just want to have sex with your horse exclusively. A bunch of soccer moms get upset because they think it means that you actually want to have sex with their aborted fetuses, and they send a bunch of knights to kill you. AGP stands for Atrophied Gains, Pussy.

Does anyone have a picture of that motorcycle with the NERV sticker?

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also, I had imaginary friends and after puberty a lot of them became female. they started out as animals because of the stuffed animals.

don't have kids!

sage

>>6777186
>>6777454
see
>>6775466
and read the thread