Why are cis men generally less salty about FtMs than cis

>>6673085
Oh good heavens no, not the PENIS! ANYTHING but the PENIS!

This is hilarious by the way, thanks for that.

>>6673109
Dear Poster,

You have been charged with one Internet Rape. Report to your local Reeducation Center immediately, or you will be extracted. That is all.

>>6673085
Lesbians oft make their entire identity their sexuality and lack of want for the penis. They're kind of like how straight guys are with gay men and MtFs.

As for FtMs. Cool dudes who indirectly worship us, have that vague smell of woman to them. And a brojob isn't gay from an ftm. At least that's what FtMs who want to suck a cock tell straight guys. That and angry balls deep pounding of tight burning hot front hole on the DL is always a plus.

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Just gonna post my theory about terfs again because it's applicable

I actually kind of agree with terfs that unless you are medically transitioning, you should not be considered a woman. Like they say, a dress and panties doesn't make you a woman any more than jeans and a flannel shirt make me a man.

However, I understand that most trans women are on estrogen, which I believe is the crucial element which makes me consider them women. Most people, including terfs don't realize that your sex hormones control a shit ton of things, from your immune system to your moods to your sexuality etc. etc. once you're on E, you're woman, IMO.

I think if more terfs realized that and also realized that most trans women (my trans friend included) don't like crossdressers any more than they do and would like them removed from women's festivals.

>>6675227
can you elaborate on terfs and top surgery?

>>6673085
Because men are taught to support each other while women are taught to be catty and tear each other down.

>be lesbian
>would be down with dating a post-op trans chick, but generally don't like penis even when it's attached to a qt gril
>most of the pre-op transbians who have shown interest in me want various types of sex that I'm not interested in having anyway
>terrified of being labeled a bigot or a TERF like this whacko

>>6675305
You're fine, senpai.
If I was a transbian I wouldn't mind if you turned me down because of my dick, it's just preference.
The ones who make a big deal about it are probably best avoided anyway.

>>6675305
Trans lesbian here, I think you're just fine and it's totally understandable. Like, it's completely different anatomy.

>>6675301
Oh y'know, they say shit like "It just breaks my heart to think of you just lopping off those supple, soft, womanly breasts. Just stay a cute lesbian and date me! I will make you love being a woman again" and so on and so forth.

>>6675322
>The ones who make a big deal about it are probably best avoided anyway.
Exactly. They're just annoying sex maniacs who don't understand boundaries. People like that exist and belong to all genders. TERFs will make you think that trans lesbians are all like that of course, just like sexsts will make you think that all women are dumb and can't drive. Nothing but stereotypes and discrimination.

>>6673085
But at the same time, Cis men are generally more salty about MTF's then Cis women are to FTM's.

Everyone hates MTF's.

>>6675439
Pretty much true. Its really sad.

>>6673085
it's okay because cis women are literally the last people i would want anything to do with.
men (cis or trans) and trans women i'm fine with, but there is nothing appealing to me about cis women. it's like they live on a different planet

>>6675605
>it's like they live on a different planet
This is why you're not a woman :)

>>6675416
Yeah. My straight mom got brainwashed by TERF rhetoric when I was a teen, and she pigeonholed me into being a butch lesbian. Suicide attempts only made it worse. I almost cut off my boobs at home with a knife. Now she's coming around to me being FtM.

Either way I'm a loser autist so it's all good.

>>6675618
cis women are socialised differently as they grow up and have no perspective on how it was to deal with being seen as a male.
serious trans men gain that perspective.

you're not triggering me though lol i'm well aware i'm a biomale, nice try though.

>>6673211
>Lesbians oft make their entire identity their sexuality
You know, gay dudes do this too, you'll notice it very quickly if you go into any LGBT+BBQ gathering.(I'm a dude, by the way).

>>6675605
I've been really coming around to this way of thinking lately actually. I've had way better relationships and friendships with men than I've ever had with women.

>t. Bi trans woman

>>6675618
You're not in a magical club, you just have a bleeding baby hole between your legs that makes you hard for animals to resist.

>>6675303
Closer to the reverse. Men show much lower in-group bias than women.

>>6673085

>mfw reading that pic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

>>6675378
Asexual ftm here. Of all the creepy shit I've read on the Internet, that easily makes the top five of "creeps me out personally."

>>6675293
Uh, you do realize Radfems in Washington started a campaign to sexually harrass women and threatened to do so until they signed their petition to get rid of trannies.

You're nuts if you think protecting women is something they care about when they're willing to sexually abuse women who don't help them.

>>6673211
>tfw straight men, gay men, straight women, and lesbian women all hate trans women

Who here fukken /playing real life on the hardest difficulty/?

Ironically a lot of TERFs I think are failed FtMs who feel a weird mix of jealousy and anger towards MtFs for being born male and not wanting to stay male.

This sounds like a conspiracy or something but a lot of them openly admit they thought about transitioning or tried to transition and then detransioned, etc. and they always talk about how butch they all are and how much better they think men have it and how they think they would have better lives if they'd been born men and so on.

>>6680541
Welcome to the world of MTFs dealing with "versatile" chasers.

>>6683709
Oh shit I just realized this. They literally are the female equivalent of those chaser weirdos.

>hey trans girl, no one else will ever love you but me please don't chop off your sexy penis
>hey trans guy, no one else will ever love you but me please don't chop off your sexy breasts

>>6683728
Both critique SRS as "mutilation".

>>6675305
>>terrified of being labeled a bigot or a TERF like this whacko
I'm pretty sure this "if I don't date trans woman I'll be labeled a trans hating bigot" is one of those things that only ever happens in TERF imagination and in super hyper liberal identity politics places. If you're in one of those then my condolences and try gtfoing out of there as fast as possible, there's nothing less psychologically healthy than being in one of those groups. I've seen them and they're genuinely bad.

>>6680608
I didn't, link pls?

>>6673085
all radfems need to be exterminated.

>>6673085
>Women are sacred, their virginity makes them prime goddesses
>mtfs are predators!
Does that guy not realize how much of a predator he sounds like?

>inb4
>But it's a lesbian
No, butch "lesbians" are just beta males too afraid to transition.

>>6683728
maybe I'm just a biscum chaser but i feel that you've got to work with what you've got.

with genital srs i think you are sacrificing so much for so little and you're burdening your partner with the knowledge that they can't ever please you as you can them.

>>6685753
And by discouraging srs to your partner you are sacrificing so much for so little and burdening your partner with crippling dysphoria both during sex and just day to day life because they can never go out wearing any tight pants or a swimsuit in fear of their tuck failing in public.

Do you chasers ever think about anyone but yourself? I'm not transitioning for your entertainment faggot.

>>6685856
Of course they don't. Remember most men still think "I think you're beautiful without make-up!" is a smooth line.

>>6685856
Not every transwoman gets the op because of genital dysphoria though. Sadly these types tend to be regretters afterwards and write off transition altogether when they could've just been nonops.

>>6685879
It's true though that less is more. That, and poorly applied makeup tends to result in hideous acne that needs even more makeup to cover up.

They want to protect their female privilege. They're feeling threatened the same way whites were when blacks started to be allowed to own property and shit
>female privilege doesn't exist women are an oppressed minority!!
lol maybe 100 years ago that was still true

>>6685896
The point is that it's indicative of how entitled they are and how much they believe women exist for their own amusement.

I don't understand the notion of a "safe space." I mean, I'm exclusively attracted to men and the thought of any form of sexual activity with or in the presence of women is just too gross for me. But I couldn't care less if women showed up at gay clubs, or FtMs hit on me or something. If I'm not interested in someone, I'll just politely decline, or maybe try to hook them up with a friend who happens to swing that way.

As for FtMs, they're on the same wavelength as me, so it's like hanging around with any other guy. I'd possibly even be open to dating them. They also generally seem to pass better than MtFs, if that has anything to do with it.

>>6686195
>They also generally seem to pass better than MtFs, if that has anything to do with it.

It's entirely this. TERFs are just hypocrites who get grossed out by ugly/unpassing MtFs and subconsciously try to justify that revulsion in a feminist way so they don't feel like they're just upholding patriarchal beauty standards or whatever.

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>>6675605
>cis women are the last people I want to interact with
Good. Now can other trans girls adopt this attitude so I don't have to deal with getting hit on by a sweaty 6ft hairy "woman" next time I go to lesbian pride? Thanks.

oh no...not the WOMEN'S FESTIVALS!

>>6673085
Women don't like anyone intruding on their special club. They like having their special club.

>>6675227

Don't know much about TERFs at all, just want to address your point on being "brainwashed by society" into having sex with one person: many gay guys I know have had their first experiences with women, same thing goes for lesbians I assume. So the norms of society in a way pushed them to do something they probably wouldn't have done otherwise. Now I'm not going to use the word "rape" in the liberal way Tumblr uses it because I imagine it's incredibly offensive to actual rape victims, but it's still some form of coercion. If something pushed straight men to try stuff out with other men (peer pressure or other forms of sociological coercion) while deep down they didn't want it, people would be outraged. It's not the case at all the other way around.

>>6691222
I think it's more likely that cis women in those kind of relationships just aren't so hung up on genitalia really.

I mean, I think it's weird as fuck that TERFs always assume that just because a penis is there that means it must be or has to be involved in the sex somehow. There are a lot of different sex things a cis woman can do with a trans woman that don't involve the penis at all, I'm speaking from experience because I won't even let my girlfriend look at mine let alone touch it in any way.

>>6673085
>I have to share a planet with this breed of failed abortions.

This is no longer flavortown, lads.

Cis men are not threatened by FTM because cis men have no benefits in society that women don't already have.

Cis women are threatened by MTF because cis women have many benefits in society that men don't have and they do not want men to have.

No one cares when a white person walks into a black neighborhood, but they care when a black person walks into a white neighborhood.

If a rich person goes to MacDonald no one bats and eye, if a poor person walks into a fancy restaurant he gets kicked out.

>>6692148
Women's club is not a privilege, it's a containment board. MtFs leeching on cis women is like liberals trying to change /pol/.

>>6692180
If we are containing women it is to there benefit. Women always moan about the glass ceiling but they never look down to see a glass cellar full of me. We allow men to fall through the cracks of society, becoming homeless, destitute, and dying. We don't care when we ship men off to war or bus them to prison or traffic them to do hard labor. Women have so much privilege it is silly but they are constantly blind to their privilege.

>>6673085
Despite the lies spread by regressive feminism females have always been respected when they want to be "one of the guys." Tomboys have always been a thing. A girl who dresses like a boy, cuts her hair like a boy, we've played ball on the street with them since the dawn of time. It's nothing new. Women who wanted to act like men were already more accepted. Growing a beard thanks to science is a tiny step beyond wearing flannel, so it's really not a huge issue. No one really understands why a woman at any point in history would want to willingly give up their comfortable EZ Mode life and change into the disposable gender liberals despise so much, but if you want to watch Football with us, nobody really cares.

They also have the benefit of being "passing" through their entire transition. At no point is it really unnerving. At every point where they can still ping as just a woman wearing male clothing, it's something we grew up with anyway. Even very feminine-structured men are even considered attractive by many of both sexes.

Men who want to put on their mother's dress and suck dudes off they meet on Craiglist have always been freaks. They weren't accepted by men or women before they put on the dress, and they're even less accepted when they wax their eyebrows and demand we call them Tiffany. Through 90% of the transition they're never passing, and many never are since biology and bone structure is cruel to them. It's just a freak in a dress. We didn't like you before you transitioned, and we don't like you now.

It's pretty simple, really.

>>6692461
>They weren't accepted by men or women before they put on the dress,

No one cared who I was until I put on the dress

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>>6692266
Jesus fucking christ

it's because 99% of people don't know ftms exist

or, if they do, it's a far away vague blurry concept that holds no relevance to their life

>>6673085

Men narturally assume women want to be men because men are superior.

Women think men becoming women are invading female space.

>>6694851

It's true though. Men are superior. We're stronger, we're smarter, we're better at business.

Why wouldn't a woman want to be like us?

>>6694912
Men are also responsible for 99.9% of the world's most pathetic degenerate perverts and losers like Chris-chan, all the Hitlers throughout history, the Islamic State, fuck, all the Abrahamic religions in general, most of the prison population, most of the people who commit violent crime...

Yeah, why wouldn't a woman want to be like a man? A gender that has such pathetic sexual urges that people can actually make money by selling dirty panties to them... and that's just one of the tamer fetishes men develop.

>>6692538
If I take that dress off will you die?

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FUCK YOU YOU COMMUNIST SCUM, YOU SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF A HELICOPTER OR FORCED AGAINST A WALL AND SHOT- Pinochet

I'd be a socially inept loser as either gender. In a full-on matriarchy radfem wet dream femtopia where anything man or manly except *beautiful butch womyn* would be treated like shit, I'd still want to look like a balding manlet and cut off my tiddies desu.

>>6675305
As a bi trans gal, thats fine. Just don't say that you don't want me because I'm "a man" or some other shitty thing. I get it, I don't like my penis either.
That being said, it does suck when I get told how pretty/cute I am, and how I'd make a great girlfriend only to have that "little issue"(heavy emphasis on the air quotes) get in the way of that. But disappointment is all I feel.