>cis people say allowing a trans kid to undergo hrt and be

>>6617376
circumcision stops you getting stds

>>6617376
There is absolutely nothing wrong with circumcision. I'm circumcised, my first son is circumcised, and my second son (on the way) will be circumcised as well. I refuse to force them to be self-conscious about their penis, and I refuse to deny them the benefits of modern medicine because of some mentally ill autists on an anime image board. Millions of men are circumcised, and none of them have problems.

It's less harmful to cut off your pinkie toe than it is to take artificial hormones and fuck with every cell in your body just so you can look like a 3/10 of whatever gender you tell yourself you are

>>6617376
Trans mtf here
Id kill myself if I was uncircumcised
It looks fucking degenerate.
/thread.

>>6617408
>americans

>>6617423
Theres other effects besides looks, I dont even present as female because I dont pass but I'll never stop taking hormones, they make me feel so much better

>>6617431
No trolling or baiting, I just want to know. Is this the only thing in the world to make you happy?

>>6617423
If I want to cut off my pinkie toe I will. And you can do the same. But that doesn't mean you should cut off a baby's toe.
There's a fundamental difference between modifying your own body and modifying someone else's without their consent.

>>6617452
I could have cut off something the size of the pinkie toe 8-9 months before and people would rally around me having a choice

>>6617442
Nah I have hobbies and stuff

>>6617458
I'm pro choice, but that's an entirely different argument. Circumcision damages the baby's brain and it doesn't recover. Not to mention potentially damaging the penis.

>>6617408
Yea well so does cutting off your dick and not having sex. There's also this amazing invention called condoms and not being a retard. I'm very sorry that they don't have those in the third world country you hail from.

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>>6617421
>deliberately mutilating your children against their will

good goy

circumcision is terrible
completely ignoring the fact that circumcised penises are less functional sexually, its absolutely barbaric that its done to newborns

>>6617468
There is credible study that proves such a thing. In fact Jewish people rank much higher on most metrics of success and intelligence.

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>>6617428
>It looks fucking degenerate.
>mtf tranny talking about looking degenerate

>>6617499
Least I'm not a goyim.

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>>6617492
>against their will

>>6617442
Lol no, but being on the right hormones gives you a normal baseline (from which you may still be chronically depressed or whatever). It just stops most of the fucking constant error signals that come with being trans.

>>6617519
Describe these feelings. What are the error signals?

>>6617522
like feeling constantly uncomfortable, being unable to think about certain things without nasty unbearable thoughts coming into your head, constantly feeling under pressure and like time is running out in a battle you are losing, being irritated with everything but hiding it under a guise of self loathing, not having sense of self preservation, being constantly morbid, feeling disgusted at the thought of sex, finding bodily sensations that are supposedly normal to feel alien and uncomfortable- if not outright painful- , dissociating from reality almost constantly, being constantly on edge and anxious, obsession with self harm and mutilation, and so on. These were all negated or gradually diminished upon starting HRT, for me.

>>6617522
I dont know how that person feels it but I was always somehow restless and uneasy, no matter what the situation was or how well I was doing in life

When I started HRT it felt like a burden was lifted from my shoulders, like I could finally relax

>>6617538
>>6617543
Hormones have been shown to cause happiness for the sake of simply being injected. I've know 2 people who have undergone hormone treatments for non-gendered reasons. They were happy and smiley at the time but once they were off the hormones, they returned to their normal. In fact, they were much more irritable once they stopped. Cows are injected with hormones to increase their happiness and therefor their produce more milk. They question is, are you happy, or are the hormones making you happy?

>>6617572
I dont particularily care which way it is, I'm just happy to feel really good for a change, also testosterone is a poison

>>6617376
Boipussi

>>6617572

> Hormones have been shown to cause happiness for the sake of simply being injected.

source? because googling the cow thing, they were inejecting seretonin, which directly affects happiness and mood, wheras trans HRT is sex hormones only.

>>6617522
(Ftm, for clarity.) There's just a feeling of wrongness when I look at my body. I look down and see boobs, and my brain goes "wrong." I see the curve of my hips, and my brain goes "wrong." I look at myself in the mirror, and my brain goes "wrong." Everything I do, every interaction I have, screams wrong to me.

I'm not on T yet, but when I got a binder, it alleviated a lot of that (I have a pretty big chest). It allowed me to be more comfortable and interact with the world in a way that felt more right. It let me look in the mirror (clothed, of course) and not be bombarded by the constant screaming that something isn't right.

I mean, I still have dysphoria, and I still feel like shit a lot of the time, but the binder helped. It's like an error message saying you've connected incompatible hardware or something for your computer. It just... Doesn't go there. I can't do anything with it. It's incredibly uncomfortable.

>>6617421
Good God you are horrible

>>6617421
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being retarded. I'm retarted, my first son is retarded, and my second son (on the way) will be retarded as well. I refuse to force them to be self-conscious about their brain, and I refuse to deny them the benefits of the modern society because of some mentally healthy people on an anime image board. Millions of men are retarded and none of them have problems

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>>6617376
>Ben garrison

>>6617421
I guess you've never actually watched the procedure being performed then? The little boy feels immense pain and screams throughout this operation. There is also the possibility of complications and infections.

>>6617376
I'm mgtow because I find sex disgusting, not because I'm gender confused.

>>6617376
>tfw you are trans and wish you had known about hormones and transitioning at a much younger age
>then you would look cis and people wouldn't hate you for "looking weird" because you transitioned in adulthood

>>6617423
>It's less harmful to cut off your pinkie toe than it is to take artificial hormones and fuck with every cell in your body
are you mentally inpaired?

>>6619122
If you merely find sex disgusting, you'd be asexual or celibate, not MGTOW. MGTOW is a movement inherently focused on sex (with women), because MGTOWers define themselves by avoiding it.

>>6617428
But if you're circumcised srs is less likely to be successful and the odds are already stacked against you to begin with

uncircumcised dicks are the hottest dicks

>>6617505
"Dad, i want to get my dick mutilated"
"oh son i am so proud that you made this decision yourself without any peer pressure from your religious community, chopping your dick means god loves you more than all the other people on this planet"
"wow dad for realzies?"
"super for realzies son, it's all written in this book that i won't let you read"

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>>6619354
fuck I hate my life

>>6619387
I don't get why parents so it, it still bothers me that I'm circumcised and basically sol for srs because of my parents choice. And then they have the gall to complain to me about genital mutilation

>>6619423
As a eurofag I'd also be curious how that started in a country with a Christian majority.

>>6619451
Because of paranoia about babies masturbating. Seriously.

>>6619423
thinking about it still upsets me and a little bit of me resents my parents for it cuz it really affected me. I've always been embarrassed and ashamed of my body and it being all scarred and misshapen made that worse and made me hate my penis even more

>>6617408
This. I dont need condoms because I am circumcised.

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>>6617421
Good goy

>>6617408
i would say this was a bad bait attempt but you caught 2, so... well done.

>>6617428
you would kill yourself if you were not circumcised?
please dont let that stop you

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>>6619387

>>6617376
anyone have sauce on original pic?

>>6619387
>pic
we are reaching levels of cuck not thought possible

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>>6619512
Same, and it doesn't help because of their decisions I won't even be able to turn it into a """good""" fake vagina like what's the point, I'll probably just have to stay a virgin forever because I'll never like my genital configuration

>>6619354
>Jews control the media and world banks
>America is the most successful country in the world
but cur-dumb-cis-scum coses brain damage

>>6617504
so you're a Jew?

>>6617452
So, let's say you're now an adult without a pinkie toe and people are crying

>You don't have a pinkie toe, you'll never experience life to the fullest
>People without pinkie toes are mentally impaired
>Cutting off a babies pinkie toe ruins its life and is inhumane to the highest degree.

You can conclude from this that people are pretty fucking stupid and should be gassed.

Complications from HRT > Complications from Circumcision

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>>6617376
>Don't be silly Billy, you're a boy.
>Don't be silly Billy
>silly Billy

>>6619387
Here is a resource that talks about this stuff in detail:
http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/immerman1/

Circumcision (like all religious practices) has a logistical benefit to societies that practice it. In this case it is the sedation of male sexuality through trauma associated with the mutilation of the genitals

STOP MUTILATING BABIES

>>6617376
>pic
MY S I D E S

>>6620431
You're mistaken. Assuming proper medical assistance, HRT has roughly the same impact on physical health as a placebo in the short term. A complete dearth of longitudinal studies of trans health means that any claim you make about it will fail to yield a citation, be your claim positive or negative.

>>6620413
THIS

>>6620431
Complication: short term dysphoria, safe to get off it and body returns to normal.

Or

Complication: painful erections due to skin tears, insensitive genitalia, lack of glans, amputated penis, death.

>>6617408
If I'm going experience less physical pleasure in order to reduce my chance of getting STD's then I might as well just wear a condom. They work a lot better and I can choose not to use one if I'm with a trusted partner

>>6617376
me on the left

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>>6617376
That pic.

1: Circumcision is horrible too, and it's disingenuous to pretend that there's no """cis""" backlash against it, particularly outside of the States.
2. You're crazy.
3. Trannies don't exist. You're the victims of identity snake oil and psychological quackery.

>>6619386
nice le straw man XD
parents make medical decision for their children all the time. that's literally one of the purposes of a parent

>>6617421
>modern medicine
>the bronze age is modern

>>6620885
>body returns to normal
tell that to the bodybuilders who are growing tits once they stop using steroids.

>>6622070
testosterone and estrogen have pretty different effects

>>6619129
>tfw you knew about hormones and transitioning from the time you were like 12 but you were too scared to do anything about it
>tfw you're finally acting on it at 23

Am I too old to be trutrans?

>>6620431
Even if that were true, HRT is given to a consenting person, circumcision is forced on babies.

>>6622906
You heard it here folk. HRT has NEVER been forced on anyone.

>>6622176
i'm 19 now and am too scared to transition.
i'll probably be in your position at some point,
so no

>>6617376
Where can I find the Original image?

>>6623322
I'm sure it's happened sometime in history, but it's not routinely done to half the infants in first world countries to this day.

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>>6619836
Here ya go

>>6624523
>>6617376
I want to FUCK the black haired mom so hard oh my god

>>6624523
Not as good as the edit