/ftmg/ FTM General - Manϟon edition

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How do you have sex without feeling dysphoric as fuck?

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>>6446898
you don't that's the joke

Hey guys, mind if I lurk here :D (mtfg got really toxic again...)

Raise your hand if you've foolishly fallen in love with an actual gay girl/straight guy.

Literally the worst.

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>>6446995
you must be this big to post here

Are we still doing nudes?

How fucked am I, /ftmg/?

http://m.imgur.com/xdSo95c

>>6447025
>How fucked am I, /ftmg/?
so fucked

>>6447024
come on man

>>6447025
Wow. You make me grateful for my chest size now.

>>6447024
Well I have a bf, so no posting butts, I swear I can be alpha too though, I used to be a lineman

Grr, scary

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I feel like I have such a feminine body shape T made my fat distribution better off my hips and I've been working but I stI'll feel like I'm forever doomed because of my bone structure

>>6447025
Dude, I am so sorry. How much dysphoria does those puppies give you?

>>6447100
It's not bone, it's fat. I recommend losing some weight and gaining more muscle mass.
Everyone looks like a 12 yo boy when skelly enough. Get to that point, then put muscle on it and achieve twunk mode.

>>6447100
You look oddly bloated. Not trying to be an asshole or anything. You're skinny, but you have this bloated look that doesn't seem natural. Are you okay?

>>6447025
Jealous/10

That being said. Testosterone is pretty good at fucking your shit up fampai. Just about every trans guy has to get a mastectomy anyways, so that plus T and youll be golden

>>6447130
Im not skinny Im 5'7' and 150
I don't know though I feel healthy but I do some a pouch of chub in the front

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>>6447025
tfw no anon bf

>>6445552
I don't know the real name for the method that was used on my chest, I've heard some people calling it "the london underground" as the scars make the same kind of mark. They cut around the nipple and about 1-3cm next to it to remove excess skin.

The only way I'd go to a gym if I had a friend to go with me but no such luck, I'm a bit antisocial and trying out new things is scary. :D I have weights, pull up bar and other stuff at home and I did actively train few years ago, but then I lost interest and it's hard to get it back. Maybe some day...

>>6447518
Today is that day!

>be me
>have thin, slender shoulders
>softest jaw in the world
>fat hips and thighs
>soft fem face
>short as fuck (5'6")
>tiny fem hands
>family history of male pattern baldness
>father hates trannys
>no benis
>no cute gay boyfriend
Why even live?

>>6447100
That's not a feminine body shape that's just because you're fat, haha. Start cutting asap and you will be fine.

>>6447518
Go to the gym, 1/4-1/2 of the people there are out of shape and just as embarassed about it as you are.

>>6447636
If you're complaining about being short at 5'6" I'm assuming that the rest of your problems are made up too and are just excuses for your lack of willpower.

got my results from the doctor either yesterday or the day before (i'm not sure, my s/o's anxiety issues and dogsitting has been stressing me out, and i have trouble keeping track of time to begin with) and the good news is my bloodcounts and vitamin levels are great, so is my thyroid, kidneys, liver etc ... don't have lupus so that's nice... and the lyme is out of my system finally...

the bad news though is that i'm still sick cuz lyme and the treatment for it fucked me pretty bad (at least that's the doctor's theory, the lyme lowered my immune system and treating it brought it down even more which fucked me over pretty hardcore) and i have chronic epstein barr issues now, neuropathy, and chronic fatigue... and the only thing i can do is eat healthy, exercise as much as possible in spite of all the pain and being so tired all the time and hope for the best... and well, gotta discuss pain management with the doctor in a couple of weeks... stomach issue too, but the meds she gave me when i was there fixed that in all the ways it can be fixed... but my nerves are damaged so all the pain and numbness and weird feelings are all just something i need to get used to and learn to manage... at least i know for sure that all the times it felt like i should've gone to the hospital and people were telling me to that i did the right thing not bothering... but she basically told me this is my life now and asked if i wanted prozac to deal with it...

>>6447156
>fucking your shit up
improving*

fixed for accuracy

>>6447025
holy shit your shoulders are wide
you are going to make a hot twink one day, aiden

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>>6447973
It's never lupus.

>>6448012
Matter of perspective :p

>>6448055

lol... i actually thought the same thing when she told me that was negative... and i didn't think it was... but i had to get tested for it cuz it runs on both sides of my family... and my cousin whose mother died from it had tested negative when she was younger (so did i at 13, but still negative) and now has it, so that had to be ruled out due to that...

>>6448137

i didn't think it was lupus* my bad...

i was really hoping it was something that could be treated though, i was walking the dog here when she called and we were talking about exercise and eating habits... and she just told me i was doing everything right and to keep doing what i'm doing... and that's kinda shit cuz if i feel like this doing everything i can and that's it... well shit... you know?

>>6447636

The deck is stacked against you, why not just be an athletic tomboyish girl and find a qt straight guy?

>>6447119
You have no idea. Binders work better than I expected, but not as well as i hoped.

>tfw 110 degree summers
Maybe I'll die of heat stroke before I have to sudoku

>>6447156
Testosterone won't shave down my hips or make me any taller. Wanna trade?

>>6448022
d-do you really think so

It might just be the angle
I just wanna be a manlyman

>>6447025
I'd hit it. Though I'm a straight cis male. So, yeah, I guess you're fucked

>>6448423
I'd trade in a heartbeat lol, I still wouldn't worry too much you may end up having some feminine traits still but overall you should pass after hormones and top surgery

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>>6447636
>short
>5'6

>>6448425
>wants to fuck a wide shouldered skeleton with fat grandma boobs
means nothing since 4channers will literally fuck anything

>>6447636
Holy shit, that's too bad. Wish we could trade bro
Here's sneak preview into what you'd get:
>Tall as fuck (5'11)
>Benis (7")
>Linebacker shoulders
>Objectively handsome face (only flaw: big eyes, full lips)
>Big wife-beating hands and big yeti feet
>Narrow hips, manly H-shaped butt
>No genes(tm) for male pattern baldness

The only thing that concerns me about going on T is going bald. Other wise I'm not scared at all but how do I stop thinking about if I'll go bald or not.

>>6448661
Does it run in your family? That usually gives you an idea.
In other news, is anyone else drowning their sorrows about the fucking Brexit?

>>6448661
does it really matter at the end of the day? lots of bald men can be successful, have friends and relationships

if you go on t you'll get the masculinised body you need to feel comfortable, the rest is up to you to work out

>>6448671
me and mr weed are having a consolation party

>>6448671
>>6448683

I'm having celebration drinks

>>6448661

If baldness is something stopping you transitioning... how valuable is your transition? Dudes go bald all the time and they deal with it OK.

>>6448765

their dick doesn't fall off with tgeur hair though... and plenty of guys handle going bald poorly... baldness isn't something i wanna deal with, that doesn't mean transition isn't important to me... having concerns and caring aboit certain negative aspects of transition doesn't minimize the issue...

>>6448785

their*

>>6448785

It's a fair point, but the thing is it's not really up to guys not to deal with it, it's something they have to deal with, taking the good with the bad.

All I'm saying here is, OK there are negatives to transitioning, but if it's balding that is the key thing to stop someone transitioning then... well I dunno, it doesn't seem like there would be particularly strong reasoning to transition in the first place.

Anyway, this is kind of a moot point. I mis-read the post and thought he said he wasn't going to transition because of it instead of it being a simple concern.

As for that anon, baldness for some guys is just a fact of life. Just accept and own it if it happens and realise it makes you look more manly.

Something to keep in mind, when men go bald, they'll often have other masc traits to make up for it. Suppose a guy is bald but is 5'9" with a 5" dick and 18" shoulders(bideltoid), no girly pear hips either. He's really not winning the masc lottery, but he's miles ahead of the average FTM.

>>6448827

idk... personally my hair is the only thing i like and being 5' tall, bald, and dickless is pretty unappealing... though i would've taken t and just stopped if it started to go downhill + meds for it...

which is another moot point i suppose... cuz there's a high probability i could die of liver failure from the shit that's wrong with me in the next 3-10 years or so... or have an aneurysm, develop ms and so on... so t probably isn't a good idea for me at all

but really you can't tell the severity of an issue based on how someone deals with it... or doesn't or what they value... the thing about being trans is it doesn't entirely matter what someone cis would go through or has to go through, we're never gonna be cis so... yeah

>>6448852
>>6448875

Fair points. Maybe I'm thinking that you'd deal with being trans differently than you would another insecuirty like going bald.

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>>6448896

>mfw there are weeaboos in this thread RIGHT NOW who aren't being bullied

>>6448896
fuck off weeb
>>6448906
not RIGHT NOW

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>>6448917

>mfw I'm gonna bully you

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What the acutal FUCK famalama, I DIDN"T SIGN UP FOR THIS SHIT

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>>6448946

April seemed like happy times

>>6448956

Back to MtFg with you

>>6448963
In april people started talking to me for whatever reason and afterwards, currently, I want to talk to people but nobody wants to chill with me so ive been depressed. Appearing fem to passgen just worsened it.

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>>6448983

Come over and hit my bong with me, bud

>>6448988

pls go

>>6448827
I'm the one with the concern of going bald. My dad is bald but my dad's dad isn't. My mom's brother isn't bald and he's like 48, he is rather handsome. I guess I'll just have to see.

I dunno it's just that my hair is one of my most attractive features and I like it a lot, it makes me sad thinking about losing it, but some dudes still look good while bald and getting to pass as a man and getting the voice and body I want is honestly the most important part anyway.

I can always start with small doses of testosterone I guess.

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>there are unironic weebs in this thread right now

>>6449197
>weebs outnumber nonweebs on 4chan
>expecting ftmg to be any different

>>6449228
What is the matter with you

>>6449192

There's more to a man than his hair, I won't dwell on it because it's obviously your decision but as I say, for a lot of guys going bald is a sad thing and you definitely wouldn't be alone.

At the end of it all, you could always just shave your head and grow a beard MC Ride style

>>6449197

They disgust me

>>6449228

No poo, shoo

>>6448946
holy shit you looked more masc in your march 2015 pic

>>6449250
I know, what even happened? is my body just now releasing XX related hormones? what the fuck mate

>>6449250
In all fairness, he isn't really making a good face there for proper comparison.

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>>6448852
>tfw 5'9, 19" shoulders,10" dragon dick of her choice and a beautiful head of hair

>>6447100
My body looks similar. I've been working out and eating so much less and completely, miserably healthy all month, and I can't lose that goddamn pudge. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. My upper body is doing great though.

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I need some advice, y'all.
I recently became friends with this guy who I think is really cool (I also have a bit of a crush on him, but that's secondary). He didn't know I was trans when we met, and yesterday I ended up in a position where I kind of had to tell him. He doesn't have an issue with it, but I can tell he's never had a trans friend, because he said some shit that was really fucked up. What really got to me was what he said about the way I look. He mentioned that he didn't know if I was male or female when we first met, which after a year on T is really not something I want to hear. When I got angry he apologized, and that was the end of it.
But now the more I think about it, the more insecure and depressed I feel. I thought I was passing a lot better, but apparently not, and now I'm honestly kind of suicidal thinking about it.
We hung out today, and I was feeling so low I had to leave early. He was concerned and texted me asking if I was alright, but I just kind of dodged the question. Should I bring it up again even though he said sorry? It kind of makes me not want to be around him.

>>6449518
Real men don't feel sad

Okay, shitposting aside, just talk to him. You're only a year on T, so don't be so harsh on yourself, you're only going to be getting more masculine in the next few years. And smile, okay? Getting clocked or people not quite knowing sucks, but you'll get over it, and eventually (especially for trans guys) it stops happening altogether. So yeah. Smile ^-^

>>6449540
(Sorry if this sounds fragmented or repetitive. Really tired right now and should be sleeping lol)

>>6449540
Yeah, you're probably right. It just feels weird having to have a Serious Conversation with someone I've only known a few weeks.
And I know I shouldn't be so hard on myself for my looks, but I really thought I'd be much farther along by this time. At least my eyebrows got better, I guess.
Thanks for the advice.

>>6449553
No problem, just stay tough and keep your head held high, you'll make it though this.

Probably gonna sleep now, gotta be up for work in 5 hours x-x

>>6449518
post a pic

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>>6449598
Why not get knocked down a few more pegs?
Not crazy about posting my face, but here's the ol flesh prison. Sorry for the potato quality - my phone's broken.

>>6449636
Eesh, I didn't realize how weird the lamp in the background made the image look. I promise I have normal arms.

>>6449636
Start lifting. All-in-all not too bad for only a year on T. You shouldn't expect magic, as much hype as T gets. If you look andro with a deep enough voice at this point, that tips you male.

Remember, you're only a year into puberty. How many cis 14-15 year olds look like men?

>>6448946
you got more feminine? mtf?

>>6449770
Why would I post in the ftm thread if I were mtf? No lad, I am ftm.

>>6449636

Hate to make you dysphoric, but those thighs are an issue. On my stocky male body the crease of my armpit is in line with the widest part of my thigh.

Doesn't mean you can't pass, but you got a pear thing going on, very uncommon for a dude.

>>6449790
Yeah, I know.
It's almost like that's the main reason I'm so fucking suicidal or something.

can one of you hold me especially if ur tall and have muscles

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>>6448946
what are the ages of the pictures?

>>6449636
>>6449807
my body used to look exactly like this, now it looks like pic relly.
i'm almost 90% pos that your 'hips' are just fat and you would have a normal male silhouette if you lost the weight.
you also have a shit haircut and shit interior decorating skills just btw

>>6449449

but healthy food tastes better than shitty food... how could that be miserable?

>>6449259
i think you got fatter and all that fat went straight into your face tbqh familia

>>6447973
>neuropathy
I have that too, except it's caused by joint pressure. Shit sucks, but you can learn to live with it.

Get SNRI-type antidepressant, that should help?

>>6449807
You would be fine losing weight, m8. You've definitely got some real chub going on there. It's not the end for you.

Funny how many trans people don't realize just how much losing weight changes things.

>>6449861

Not to mention the test may widen the shoulders and ribcage over time.

>>6449807

Don't be suicidal, get swole and lose weight and see how you feel next year. How old are you btw?

>>6449937

after the zoloft incident the idea of antidepressants freaks me out... but does it significantly improve the pain?

>>6450080
Post pics

>>6450086

+ i have been living with it...

>>6450080
are you mtf or ftm i thought mtf but i dont know anymore

>>6450080
im only 5'3" tho

want to trade genitals too

>>6450213
Where you form again
Cos I'd hit that

>>6450213
post your boobs :3c

>>6448380
Why don't qt straight guys just become hons, anon?

>>6450240

Cus the average qt straight guy would be horrified by HRT, and society would treat their trans hon ass like dirt.

>>6450213
it's not fair ;_;

>>6450305
The average ftm doesn't want to be stuck as an athletic tomboy girl with qt straight bf either, anon.

Song relevant to OP pic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_5GIIMOLMo

Are tumblr snowflake meme genders the ftm equivalent of hons? If so do we have a name for them

Why can't I just be a girl. Finally on T and all life is throwing at me are reasons for me not to transition when I want and need to do this so badly.

I don't know if I'm strong enough to get through this.

>>6450396
>ayyydens/any sort of form of the name aiden
>tucutes (as opposed to truscum)
>transtenders
>tumblrtrans

>>6450349

Yah I guess not. It'd sure make life easier though in someways. If dysphoria runs too deep than all your lfe with is transition.

>>6450413
How long have you been on T?

>>6450414
>tucutes
This word makes me feel physically sick and angry. I hate these types.

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>>6450424
Going to be 8 weeks. I'm probably just feeling really fucked up over my relationship starting to go South, likely because of this tranny shit honestly.

It's hard to handle the stress of transitioning mostly alone on top of a bunch of other things I have going on and now this. I don't know what to do with myself.

On top of that, the person I might potentially lose is one of the only people who treats me as a male, uses the proper pronouns/name while it feels like no one else knows how to handle it, or doesn't want to handle it.

I feel lost.

>>6450458
Give the T more time. I'm not saying everyone will change, but I know a lot of people took me way more seriously once I had my voice drop and facial hair.

>>6450458
you only get one life, best to live it for yourself

>>6450213
oh im mtf invading your thread i thought you could tell

>>6450458
Why would you lose your relationship because of transitioning if that person "is the only one who treats you as male"? If he really does transitioning wont probably change her/his mind, unless s/he's just doing it to be nice to you and doesnt actually treat you as male.

Anyway relationships can end for many reasons, people change etc. No one should postpone transitioning because they fear they might lose their relationship, you might lose it anyway at some point and then you're just going to be depressed you didnt transitioned earlier.

>>6450469
Yeah, my voice has actually already started to drop and it's really throwing people off and making them uncomfortable, especially at work. I'm not sure how to deal with this. I never asked anyone to change pronouns/name yet because I didn't expect T to work its magic as fast as it is for me.

Now we're all at this weird stage where people are noticing changes and they don't know what to do with me.

>>6450475
I know. And that's why I refuse to not transition for my relationship. I love them, but...I can't not do it. I'll kill myself eventually if I don't make changes. And I know that they know that. It's all bad. It's all a shitty situation.

I just wish I wasn't trans. I feel so alone and it's driving me back toward the bottle.

>>6450506
I think he's going through an identity crisis right now. His family is insanely conservative and doesn't even know how to deal with gays let alone trannies. It's something he's been ignoring from the beginning that I tried to address, and it's just now hitting him. I also think he's afraid he won't be attracted to me the longer I'm on T.

I actually ignored transitioning and being trans for a relationship before this one. I tried really fucking hard. It obviously ended up ending and I was right back to square one and probably more fucked up than I ever was.

But this is one of those situations where neither party has done anything wrong, both people still love each other and don't know how to get past the blockage.

It fucking hurts.

>>6450509
Please update when you do come out at work because it's something I'm probably going to have to do at work soon and I'm shitting myself about it.

>>6450560
Well, I've already come out to everyone at work, I just haven't asked them to swap pronouns and shit yet because it feels really awkward and I don't like to make people uncomfortable.

I basically came out to everyone one at a time over the span of like 8 months or so, before even binding or wearing men's clothes. It's such a fucking awkward situation, especially since it's a mom and pop place in a small town. My manager has actually had customers ask about me, one in particular even guessed that I was trans and was really cool and supportive about it. It was fucking weird.

I dunno, man. Life is fucked.

>Talked to a nice FtM guy online
>Talked a long while, lots of interests in common, aside from just sex and stuff
>Planned on meeting today for froyo to get to know one another and chat in a public place
>Suddenly stops responding to my texts today
>Didn't meet at the froyo place at all, which was pretty out of the way for me to drive to
>Still hasn't responded to my texts

This is the third FtM guy to flake on me. What the fuck.

>>6450639
Why are you after ftm's?

>>6450651
I like masculinity.

>>6450639
): i would eat froyo with you anon

>>6450639

probaby all different reasons... i can be flaky though i usually get in touch first, like i've gotten too high to move after deciding on having a bbq the night before or to go to a bar and then had to explain that i'm too high to go outside...so like an hour before meeting up i've been like "sorry that's not happening"

my guess though is it's anxiety... really common in transpeople and just talking isn't as big of a deal as meeting so talking might've been in his comfort zone whereas actually meeting might've been beyond it... and him taking you seriously is probably why he just stopped talking... some people do that kinda shit

>>6450675
I mean, I get that, it just makes me feel like ass, you know? Like, what was I doing wrong? I don't really consider myself a chaser or anything, I don't really care too much about gender, I just like masculine attitudes.

>>6450639
Trannies have social anxiety

>>6450686

nah you don't get it cuz you're blaming yourself... chances are it has nothing to do with you and you've just spoken to a lot of anxious trans guys... unsurprising when you meet people online, and dealing with people who are trans... but yeah a lot of people with anxiety issues will be both anxious about meeting and anxious about canceling or saying no or speaking after they flaked out

>>6449259
are you on T? because yeah, it's a pretty common thing for people to gain water weight/get bloated/gain weight in general in their first 6-10 months on T

>>6450560
i came out and transitioned while at my last job, i'm a little too drunk to just type up a big post about it but ask me anything you want

>>6451002
Is it wise to just not come out and transition anyway while not giving a fuck what other people think? I figure my coworkers will get it eventually once I start growing facial hair and my voice drops considerably. Since as of right now they still use female pronouns but it's very obvious from their POV that I'm a crossdresser at the least.

It's not that I'm worried that they'd care or not about me being trans. I just hate the idea of making people gather around and interrupting both their work day and mine for something that's not really relevant to them or the job.

If I end up being underweight will the doc still give me T shots? is it dangerous?

>>6451393
it's not really a matter of it being wise or unwise, it's just cowardly and will not solve any of your problems. trust me, it is way more awkward for everyone involved to work with a "woman" who looks and sounds like a man than it will be for you to come out. and no, people will not just automatically "get it" no matter how obvious it is. i was on T for 8 MONTHS before i came out at work and no one said a single word about the fact that my voice had dropped a few octaves and i routinely sported a five o'clock shadow. cis people are remarkably ignorant about trans shit, especially trans male shit.

also, being called by your deadname and female pronouns in and out every day will eventually become unbearable, especially if the workplace is the only place you're not out.

spoiler alert: unless you live/work in a very conservative place, no one gives a single flying fuck about your transition. people will gather around and listen to the announcement and in 5 minutes they will go back to their jobs and completely forget about all of it. or at least file it way in the back of their mind, behind all the TPS reports they have to write that afternoon.

yes, you will have to grin and bear it through a couple of awkward days. but it's worth being able to put it behind you and live openly as a man.

>>6451562
Once I change all the legal and paperwork stuff, they'll probably at least ask why my name tag says something different when I print myself a new one. But I really hate when people "draw attention to themselves" like that. Especially with personal shit no one gives a fuck about. So it'd be hypocritical of me to do the same. At most, I'll eventually get to correcting them if they're still doing it once I get so far along that they'll end up being the ones who make themselves look ridiculous by calling some short lumberjack lookin' dude by a female name.

Also I don't hate cis people. Some of them get it, some don't. And a few are assholes but who gives a shit. There's trans assholes too. But I understand that it probably would take a while. I'm thick skinned enough to deal with it.

Though it also helps that I avoid being very close with my coworkers. Like, up until now, the most personal thing I've ever disclosed to any of them is that I have a dog and I listen to rock music. And I've worked there for almost 2 years now. So they can call me "sparkle-butt-jo-jo-unicornfarts" for all I fucking care. As long as work gets done and noone breaks any of the expensive equipment or gets electricuted. So I don't see how what I'm doing is cowardly.

At most, I'd have to make a phone call to HR to get my records in order and give a brief explaination. But that'd be about it.

>>6450415
True. I know ftms who lived years trying to be straight girls or butch lesbians (myself in the latter), but that dysphoria doesn't go away. If I could press a button and be happy as a cis girl maybe I would do it but I'd still rather press the button to be a cis man.

>>6451688
>But I really hate when people "draw attention to themselves" like that.
i do too. i'm an exceedingly private person and coming out was very hard for me. but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. coming out is not hypocritical at all and i would argue that it definitely DOES affect your coworkers because it's changing the way they will be interacting with you. trust me: it will be way, way more awkward for you to explain your new name tag over and over again than to come out formally. seriously.

>Also I don't hate cis people.
neither do i? i never said i hated them, i just said that by and large they know nothing about trans men and you absolutely cannot depend on them being able to just figure stuff out without you explaining it to them in very clear and unambiguous terms.

>So they can call me "sparkle-butt-jo-jo-unicornfarts" for all I fucking care. As long as work gets done and noone breaks any of the expensive equipment or gets electricuted.
you say that now. wait until you're a year on T and come back to me and tell me how you feel about being called a woman.

>So I don't see how what I'm doing is cowardly.
unless i misunderstand you, you're avoiding something (coming out) because you're afraid it will be awkward. that's pretty much the definition of cowardice.

come on, dude. look at what you're saying here. what do you think a mature, self-assured man with his shit together would do in this situation? you asked for advice, but you don't want advice; you want someone to tell you it's fine to live in your little bubble for the rest of your foreseeable existence.

>At most, I'd have to make a phone call to HR to get my records in order and give a brief explaination. But that'd be about it.
that's a really big assumption. HR might not be okay with this, i.e. they might want you to do more, they might require you to come out before you can change your records or your name tag. don't assume what HR will want or not want, you have to talk to them.

>>6451721
maki please let me fuck you with a strapon

>>6451851
step off, i claimed that ass first

>>6451892
you'll know me by the time i'm done with you

>>6451893
try me

>>6446898

SMOKE WEED ERRYDAY

No but actually it's the only way I can cum if I get laid, and penetration is a big no. Fuck yeah dysphoria.

>>6447025

fucked/fucked. You can't change them birthing hips.

>>6447025
Thank you for making me feel better about myself

>>6452571

Sorry m9. At least you're thin? If you put a fuckload of work into your shoulders and arms you might be able to shift attention away from the waist/hip ratio you're rocking, but no amount of T is going to change that bone structure.

That said... some men have slightly wider hips. It might not be too noticeable if you work on your upper body enough.

>>6452605
That picture isn't me, I think you made a mistake. But can you tell me how fucked I am? I'm starting T in a few weeks.
http://imgur.com/nPEwQX6

>>6452626
>http://imgur.com/nPEwQX6 If that's you, then it's a different story...

Good news! Not very fucked at all if you get a good surgeon. Getting a surgeon who has worked with breasts that size is fucking KEY if you don't want to end up with a completely ruined chest.

Otherwise, you've already got a fairly masculine waist/hip ratio and your shoulders will put you squarely in twink range but they're straight enough that no one should question much.

>>6452637
Oh that's good, thanks. ;_; I was worried my hips were too wide.

>>6452665

Yeah I have no idea how the replies got confused. Sorry bout that.

>tfw still remember a ftm
>male name but didn't even pass remotely, probably just because no T
>kept talking about how they could beat guys up
>wrestle them to the ground, pin them and give them a noogie
Good times, FtMs are fun.

>>6448946
Elliot Rodger/10

>>6451892
You know, avatarfagging is against the rules....

>>6452522
Yeah well you're a faggot.

>>6452605
I'm >>6447025

Yeah, I kinda thought so. That's what I'm most afraid of, is looking like I have some kind of disease when the fat distribution changes. I also took that pic from a weird angle so it wouldn't show my face, my hips are even wider and my shoulders are smaller than they look there. I'm too depressed and lazy to work out, someone hold me ;_;

>>6452626
You already have a pretty masculine bone structure, just big tits. I'm so fucking jealous.

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>>6453062
but maki a cute, so it's okay

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WHY DOES SHARK WEEK HAVE TO SUCK SO MUCH SOMEONE SHOOT ME ALREADY THIS IS GROSS

>>6448946
I think the glasses and having a shorter hairstyle like in the first couple of pics would make you look more masc
Although don't expect much without T

had a dream last night of me going through a character creation in real life and making myself female, it even had a slider for boob size.
please kill me ;_;

>>6453385
being agp ftm is a hard life

>>6453385

i've always hated those character creation things... they're painfully boring with too many options... only game i never minded it for was halo

>>6447636
You consider 5'6" short? Lucky bastard.

>>6453440
most of the people i know are way over 6'

>>6453469
Yeah but 5'6 is still belivable for male height, anything lower than 5'5 starts to look really weird for males.

>>6453477
yeah, my main problem is how inadequate i feel to other men, it doesnt help that i have wide hips and tiny shoulders. they all look so masculine and i look like a tiny lesbian.

>>6450086
>>6450093
sorry went off to sleep

yeah, it does. for me it's bad in my neck, jaw, face, and arm, and they all feel fresher, more responsive, more "properly plugged in" than when i don't. i get lots of aches, pains, and zaps, and those definitely go down in frequency and severity with the meds. doesn't cure everything though

that being said i've been terribly inconsistent with them and it's been giving me headaches/making me more depresssed. if you have access to it smoking a lot of weed is just as good

>>6453492

i know already i'll be really inconsistent i forget things like that all the time, so if that's the case i'll stick to weed... i never forget to smoke weed (i do nearly every day), and missing a day isn't gonna fuck me up that was actually a big concern of mine the missed dosage thing with it...

i have pain and all that throughout my entire body, but if weed is just as good fuck that... thanks for telling me though, i've been really debating it since i found out but yeah... it's guaranteed i'll be inconsistent and miss doses after doing things like be unsure if i took it already or not then decide i shouldn't since i don't know and skip it altogether

the doctor was pretty positive i can keep it from progressing and that this is just how it'll be at least given my eating and exercise habits as long as i give up cigarettes (which i did immediately) so i guess it's just a matter of hoping for the best and doing what i normally do... if she's right about the time frame between this and lyme then i've managed to stay pretty healthy in spite of this for around 2 years so far... it feels near identical though which is why i couldn't tell whether or not the lyme was still around or it just permantly fucked me... turns out it just permantly fucked me

>>6453561

permanently * and permanently * knew that looked wrong...

>>6453491
I know the feeling. Being on T and working out helps with that a bit and will make you feel better overall.

>>6453561
i actually misspoke a bit haha: weed helps in dealing with pain, but the SNRIs with it help my body to stop burning in the first place. both is def better than just one

neuropathy tends to worsen with depression so that was also a motivation for me to go on them. it was especially bad in my arm, i couldn't write to take notes

>>6453644

i'm sure it is, but i'd rather deal with some of it than a prescription that can make things worse when i inevitably miss doses or take extra by accident in conjunction with me having a pre-existing anxiety about that kinda med cuz of some shit that happened...

i feel like unless it eliminates it completely it's not worth the chemical dependence and possible side effects

>>6453852
Fuck off.

I don't know if this is the right thread, but I don't really understand FtM transitioning. I'm honestly not trying to troll, I just don't understand it.

>>6453900
I don't understand how anyone could possibly want to be a woman.

>>6453919
That doesn't really help?
What's so bad about being woman?

>>6453900
Which part of it? Is it "I don't understand why anyone would want to be a hairy, smelly, ugly, angry little man," or "so what hormones do you take, and what surgeries can you get"?

>>6453948
>"I don't understand why anyone would want to be a hairy, smelly, ugly, angry little man"
that part, but not as aggressively stated, or as, i don't know, "troll"-y. I don't see what's great about being a man, but my views are obviously biased.

>>6453956

I enjoy being a man but I think the reasons for that would be different than an FtMs.

>>6453964
>In your world view feminity is more attractive and more ideal.
>you're attracted to females and view feminity as attractive
I'm gonna say yes to both. I can appreciate men who work on their bodies and acknowledge they "look good", but nothing beyond that.

>you don't have to get it
but I want to. I think transsexuals are fascinating. I don't get it at all.

>>6453956
Eh, I was just stating it the way MtFs here generally do.

The obvious "can't help it, mental illness" thing aside, there are pros and cons to both being a man and being a woman. Think of it in terms of difficulty curves and short-term vs. long-term benefit.

Being a woman:
-Very low difficulty curve, provided your goal is to get laid, or to acquire money and status with minimal effort on your part
-At a disadvantage if want to be taken seriously in professional environments, it will always be assumed that you traded dick-sucking for status thanks to those who took the easy way out
-Your advantages decline sharply around age 30
-Low risk, low reward

Being a man:
-Extremely steep starting difficulty curve, especially if born without a predisposition towards being tall and muscular
-However, sufficient talent and drive can break through the hazing and exponentially increase status over time
-Provided that you were able to acquire sufficient talent/assets by 30, you're set for the rest of your life, otherwise you're twice as fucked
-High risk, high reward

If we take gender dysphoria out of the equation, then it stands to reason that the men who can't hack it in the highly competitive and cutthroat world of masculinity should become female and the women who thrive on that sense of competition and conquest should become male. Maybe that's the way it will end up going, once we all become AI and gender is a matter of avatar selection. It'll be fascinating to see if gender becomes obsoleted entirely in the event of transhumanism, to say the least.

>>6453956
I'm trying to get by as a masculine woman at the moment, but I'll try to explain anyway, make of it what you will.

Hairy, gritty and sweaty appeals to me, in a salt of the earth sort of way. It's not sterile or artificial like femininity, it's real and feels more like life.

>>6453985
>I was just stating it the way MtFs here generally do.
that's a sad way to view things, honestly.
And yeah, I'd like to know more beyond "mental illness". That doesn't help me understand.

> then it stands to reason that the men who can't hack it in the highly competitive and cutthroat world of masculinity should become female
> the women who thrive on that sense of competition and conquest should become male
that seems very strange to me. I don't personally see why a woman couldn't be a CEO etc., so that doesn't make sense. (But on the other hand I can somewhat agree with and understand your part about "men should be girls if they aren't ambitious enough")

>gender dysphoria
do you think you could give me a tl;dr?
>>6453998
huh. Well, personally I disagree. (Unless I were a girl. For some reason I can see the appeal of being a girl and sniffing a guy's sweaty clothes. Don't really know why). but I can understand your explanation!

>>6453900
are you mtf?

ftm transition is not about 'wanting to be a man
but having gender dysphoria that makes the perception of yourself male

you should know that,, hon

>>6454097
>are you mtf?
no
>gender dysphoria
that other guy left, would you be willing to give me a tl;dr? Not a copy-paste from wiki, but your own opinion.
I know nothing of transsexuals.
>you should know that,, hon
I don't.

>>6454097
>ftm transition is not about 'wanting to be a man

Actually that's one of the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder. It's just not sufficient by itself.

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>>6454115
>would you be willing to give me a tl;dr?

It is possible that some transgender people, want to be the opposite sex as well as having gender dysphoria;
it's not entirely the case for me, i don't care about what sex i am really, i don't see male or female as being better for whatever reason.

But all trannies have Gender dysphoria which feels as though you're unable to perceive yourself as the sex you were born.
Your brain just 'expects' you to be male, when you're not. and its a really bizarre and foreign feeling to look at yourself in the mirror and see a female, or to be talking with someone and realize they see a woman when they look at you.
Which is why transition is necessary, because otherwise you would feel like you were constantly in 3rd person, piloting around someone elses body.

Everyone has this perception of themselves, like Intersex people, who have in some cases, been through 2 puberties, and have had both male and female secondary sex characteristics, or have ambiguous genitalia, or atypical chromosomes,
Still perceive themselves as either male or female, when technically they are a mixture of both.

>>6454215
>Gender dysphoria which feels as though you're unable to perceive yourself as the sex you were born.
>Your brain just 'expects' you to be male, when you're not.
okay, I can't comprehend this at all. It's a too alien concept.
I do, genuinely, appreciate you taking the time to write this. I think this is just one of those things I can't understand.

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>>6454231
>okay, I can't comprehend this at all. It's a too alien concept.

understandable fampai
i can't explain it any better than
imagine you were in one of those nightmares, where all of your teeth fall out, and you start panicking, but then you wake up and you're relived because you still have all your teeth.

except, you're in a nightmare where you are a woman, and you keep expecting yourself to wake up to your normal male self, but you never do

>>6454006
Dysphoria is really hard to explain if you haven't experienced it personally. But you know how guys get gyno? They get little man-tiddies and are super self-conscious about it.

Dysphoria is kinda like that, except our bodies look normal. Like for me, I'm a hot ass girl. I have giant tits and hips for days. I could have a really easy, nice life. I'm well-liked because my tits outweigh my social awkwardness, I'm smart and everyone will hire me because I'm a girl in engineering and muh feminism.

However. My body feels like it's wrong. I look in the mirror and while cognitively I know it's fine and sexy, but it feels foreign to me. My hips should me smaller and my tits shouldn't be there. I can't explain why it should be that way, I don't really know. But I feel ashamed about it the same way a dude with gyno would feel about his. There was recently a femboy in these threads who grew tits because he was taking estrogen and was dysphoric about them. There was nothing wrong with them, by all accounts they were very nice. But again, he just... Felt uncomfortable about them.

I've always been really uncomfortable with my body and specifically with my tits. I assumed that that was just the way I was, that it was my social anxiety and self-esteem. I had always wished I had more dude-like features, but it never occurred to me that I could actually have them until I learned about transgender men. I got a binder, looked in the mirror, and went "yes, this is correct."

Tl;dr you'd feel like shit if you were dickless with moobs too

>>6454260
>i can't explain it any better than
I genuinely thank you for trying!

I can kinda see that analogy, I think. Like feeling like you're living a dream (well, nightmare), hoping to wake up?

>>6454215
I had the feeling of piloting someone else's meat suit too, like I was interacting with the world by proxy.

Haha holy shit. I'm actually going through the whole "guy loves you but he's straight" dilemma. I'm a real gay guy now and it fucking sucks.

Not only am I a tranny but I get to deal with this shit too. I'm going to be alone forever.

I want to die.

>>6454291
>"guy loves you but he's straight"
what?
>I'm a gay guy
>I am a tranny
what?

>>6454330
Are you retarded?

>>6454345
no. Please elaborate what the hell you tried to say.
What does gay guy + tranny mean? Are you a guy trying to be a girl who likes boys, or a girl trying to be a boy who likes boys?

what does
>boy likes a boy, but he says he's straight
even mean?

>>6454366
>trying to be
baka desu senpai

anon is ftm, straight guy is attracted to his fem qualities, dysphoria intensifies. there's returned attraction because anon is attracted to men, which makes a gay trans man.

>>6454366
You do know testosterone eventually makes you look and sound male, right?

I've been on T for a while now and my partner is losing his attraction to me. It's not that difficult to understand, dumbass.

My initial point is that I'm going through what a lot gay men do. Their straight best friend or partner realizes they prefer women. I am not a woman and I won't look or sound like one. Ever.

No I'm not gay. I actually prefer women. But I just happened to fall for a guy unfortunately.

>>6454381
this is my first day on this board, please be nice.
I didn't understand anything you said. So the guy is attracted to anon as he/she is now, not how he/she wants to be and feels like?
>>6454404
>dumbass
>are you retarded?
wow rude.
I had no clue what in the hell you tried to say, and asked you to elaborate. You chose to be a cunt. That's on you.

>>6454428
You have to understand that we get a shit ton of people here who will try to belittle you and who you are. They often say things similar to or what you said just to try and manipulate you or what you think. We go through a lot of mental gymnastics over this shit, so it can be kind of sensitive.

I wasn't trying to be an asshole, I'm just used to people trying to troll the hell out of us.

>>6454462
>we get a shit ton of people here who will try to belittle you
yeah, I imagine this board gets trolled the fuck out of. Which means it's hard for the (few) people like me who want to understand.
I'm far too drunk, I want to get more drunk, and I'm trying to figure out what in the fucking hell my sexuality is, so I came here. I'm confused as fuck, I don't know the language, so I accept people will think I'm baiting.
I really don't know anything, anon. My dick got hard reading the bisexual thread, IIRC it was boys describing what they liked.
I'm not in a happy place right now, so I accept you think I'm an asshole or a troll. That's fine. I jsut want to drink and not think, and I am not happy that thinking about being a cute boy seducing guys makes me diaminds, so excuse me.

>>6454484
please, anon, I just want to learn and understand. I mean no harm.
I seriously do come in peace, to try and figure out what the fuck I am.

>>6454501
If you want someone to talk to about it, I'm always open. I went through similar shit not too long ago. [email protected] if you want

>>6454618
you know what? I think I'll take you up on that.
I'd really appreciate that.

I'm just..... I lack words, you know? Or maybe you don't. I don't know. I just....
i'm frustrated?

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>>6453385
>Not making a slutty woman character to stare at all ingame
>Not making the titties look like giant watermelon sized tumors

fakeboi plz

>>6454291
I don't get straight people, especially straight men who are attracted to women. It just seems so dull. That 2.5 kids in a 2 story house with a white picket fence that 90% of the straight people I know want... like why would you willingly choose the most boring existance possible? Was just being straight not boring enough for them?

>>6454272
pic related basically

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>>6449876
I love healthy food, my misery comes from quitting my soda addiction, and exercise/lifting which BORES ME TO TEARS. I have never experienced this "high" people get from exercise, no matter how hard I'm pushing. But I'm also narcoleptic.

>>6454654
>pic related basically
I don't really understand it, but again, thank you for responding.
Your picture is just way too "out there" for me.
>I don't get straight people, especially straight men who are attracted to women
do you think you can elaborate? I'd like to hear more.

>>6454654
man... that pic... right in the feels. that's exactly what it was like for me. the worst part was feeling like i didn't exist, and now that i'm post transition the worst thing is realizing/remembering that i spent the first 25+ years of my life not even existing. i feel like my life didn't even start until like a year or two ago. what a fucking joke. i'm so glad i figured shit out. i would have eventually suffocated to death in that miserable woman meat suit.

>>6454687
>1000mg of caffeine
jeesh
I have to pee five times in two hours if I drink an energy drink with 320 mg in it.

>>6454618
anon please, I sent a mail.
I don't want to sound needy, but honestly, I think I am right now.

>>6454679
You realize you probably are never going to "understand" right? If you're not trans you're never going to fully understand what being trans is... Just like I'll never "understand" what being schizophrenic is or any other mental illness like it. Yes I know the signs and symptoms but I don't "get" how people can hallucinate and mistake it for reality because I'm not schizophrenic. All you have to do is trust in other people and believe them when they say they feel something you can't relate too like they have hallucinations, or have depression, or are trans and not treat them like shit because of that.

>>6454874
>If you're not trans you're never going to fully understand what being trans is
but I can try. And I believe that's worth at least something.

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>>6454926
holy shit you are dense... The important thing to take away from this is not that you should keep wasting your time and energy trying to understand, it's that sometimes you need to accept there are some things you won't understand and still be able to respect others and treat people the way you'd want to be treated. In fact one of the most annoying things about being trans is being forced to tolerate the allies who think they understand what being trans is like, and then tell us we're "not really trans" or something stupid.

>>6454656

oh got'cha... i can't even remember the last time i had any soda, maybe around 8 years ago? something like that... idk, i've never been very good at keeping track of time and i've only gotten worse

and i actually really like exercising, i just can't do it the way i did before i got sick... i used to work out an hour or so a day + go on these long fucking hikes for hours all the time... now it's like... i try to every day, but i usually have to do it in spurts cuz otherwise it's just not happening...

if it's boring then maybe you just need to try different exercises 'til you find ones you like or you need more stimulation while you do it... i've always liked the complete lack of thought required desu, i wouldn't say i ever got like a high from it but it's definitely a nice way to just turn off and not exist and get caught up in doing something

>>6454656

Then you aren't liftingheavy enough.

The light headedness after some heavy squats or deads is a wonderful feeling.

>>6454656
>>6455107
You actually need to be already in a quite good shape to get to the point where you can reach the high from exercising, as it requires that you do heavy training/running for long periods etc. I've never reached it yet so training feels fucking boring for me too.

>>6455286

It's about patience and dedication. It's really, really worthwhile you simply have to stick it through.

>>6455107
I only every get a 'high' after workouts that are at least partially cardio, never from lifting.

>>6455310
Yeah I know, I've been trying to train my legs slowly to withstand running... It's a really slow process though, I get really painful shin splits easily. Kicking myself in the head now how I was really lazy as a kid and never had any active hobbies lol.

>>6455359

With gains, highs

>>6455386

What about weightlifting?

>>6455286
IDK if this is true or not. I've been going to the gym a lot recently and one of my favorite parts is the endorphine rush, which is literally one of the only things that makes me feel good in life besides masturbation. Anyway, when I first started going to the gym, the rush would start about 10 minutes into cardio and last for basically my entire workout, made me feel fucking awesome. Now that I'm more fit and going to the gym 3x a week for the past 3 months, it'd harder to get that endorphine rush. The last time I went to the gym I didn't get it through my 20 minutes of hard cardio, I finally got a really short rush (like 10 minutes long) when I was doing machines... sucks because it's basically one of the main motivations I have to keep going back.

>>6455471
I do some weight training at home, but for me it's more important that my body is in a really good shape overall, more endurance for longer hiking trips etc. And I hate gyms and don't want to waste money on the fees, proper weightlifting is pretty impossible if you dont do it in a gym.

>>6455501
Resistance training is part of being in really good overall shape, Anon.

>>6453956
>>6453964

I'm AGP so the FTMs baffle me too, but I've started to understand them. Femaleness is utter shit to them.

>>6454654

Wow thats harsh, no wonder FTMs are willing to transition.

I've experienced dysphoria, but not to that degree.

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I'm doing all the exercise I can without going to a gym, and not buying weights or machines. I have a nice bar I do pull-ups and chin-ups on, which is my favorite thing to do, and I do it as much as I can.

I do a lot of push-ups, sit-ups, jumping jacks and squats. I run along this steep hill as far as I can which is not far, never been a runner, but most of the time I start yawning. Even when I'm sweaty, sore, and my legs are jelly.

My diet has been homemade salads with little to no dressing, fruits/berries, granola/oatmeal, extra lean beef, fish/crustaceans, and a variety of nuts. I read labels and watch my caloric intake like a boss and avoid carbs/sugar.

I mean, I'm not gonna quit, but it's been a month doing all this and I don't think I've lost a bit of fat on my belly or hips. I can feel and see results in my legs and arms, but not the areas I need to lose weight.

I also wrestle the dog a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqINyBai9wM

>>6455770
The most discouraging thing about working out is the fact that you'll have to do it for atleast few months to really see any difference... I get discouraged and bored of it really fast when I'm not seeing any improvements fast enough.

>>6455671
Yeah sure but I can achieve what I want by running and working out at home etc. I'm not looking to bulge up a lot which would require weightlifting in the gym.

>>6455770
Well what else has the faggot got to do? stay home and play with sticks?

>>6455770
>squats
>bw
ayylmao
>avoids carbs
>tries to make gains
dawg. By the way, you can't "avoid carbs" and at the same time eat "fruits/berries". That's not how that shit works.

I rarely have dysphoria so that makes me feel bad but then I get dyshporia and I feel bad. Always feels bad :^)

>>6455770

a month isn't gonna do jack shit for belly fat... just saying

and salads are mostly gross... especially with nothing on them, there's better more pleasant ways to be eating greens and vegetables no wonder you used the word miserable...

>>6456004
>>6455770

+ fruit and berries are carbs/sugars... not saying you should avoid them, but they're both those things...

btw when you're making salad without dressing i hope you're at least using seasonings, lemon juice, apple cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar etc ... shit like that... olive oil is a healthy fat you could make salad less shitty like that if you're gonna constantly eat salad...

>>6455921
I'm trying to lose weight, then work on "gains" once my waist looks fine. Am I doing it wrong? I swear to god I read this on one of these threads.

>>6456023
I don't mind the plain salads. Theyte usually half spinach too. It's having to drink water I hate, which I know is very sad

>>6456025
>Am I doing it wrong?
yes
Resistance exercise + calorie surplus (assuming all other factors in order) = gains
Resistance exercise + calorie deficit = muscle retetion. Basically, you're risking losing some gains.
There's no reason not to lift. Assuming you're a newbie, you'll make strength gains through 'noob gains' anyway.
>trying to lose weight
>eats fruit
fruits are great, they have vitamin and some have fiber. Then there's shit like apples that are just sugar.

>taking lifting advice from the place that tells people to wear corsets
(okay I don't actually know if you people do that)

>>6453956
I love how men are, i want to be like that. But i also feel extreme disgust towards my female characteristics, it gets to a point where feeling my breasts on my chests makes me want to drive a nail through my fucking head. I am terrified of growing older as a woman, of getting pregnant.
>"I don't understand why anyone would want to be a hairy, smelly, ugly, angry little man"
I guess its not just that, but more "I don't want to be a woman"

>>6456084

you should eat food you enjoy not food you "don't mind" cuz i mean... it's not like you're gonna lose the weight then you're done... this is gonna just be your life now and eating shit you "don't mind" is gonna get really old... just saying

and spinach is great, but there's so many ways to eat it that aren't that... like i said it's not surprising you're using the word miserable... btw if you don't like plain water there's shit like herbal tea or you could put fruit or whatever in water... personally i'm lazy and the effort to infuse water with any kinda flavouring is more than i care to put into drinking water cuz it's fine on its own... but no offense it sounds like you're eating like someone who's eaten like shit their entire life imagines eating healthy is...

>>6456108

apples have fiber, what are you talking about? and green apples are low sugar + the fiber

>>6456004
>>6456023
I find it funny how people say that plain salads are shitty etc, for me all kinds of dressings, seasonings and oils just ruin the salad and it'll taste like shit with them.

>>6456108
I'm retarded. I meant I'm trying to lose fat, not weight. So if I continue to do all the workouts I'm doing now, should I be eating more calories then? And I guess I should eat less fruit.

>>6456183

well... i find nothing appealing about a pile of leaves and chopped up fruit and vegetables just thrown on top of each other personally... i don't tend to eat salad at all though unless my s/o makes them and i don't use pre-packaged dressing and shit ever so yeah... if that's what you're thinking of then sure it's gonna taste like shit

>>6456195

if you wanna lose fat not weight your goal should be eating to build muscle... and you know, be more patient, you're not gonna get significant results in a month like that

>>6456197
>>6456183

+ if most people think something is unappetizing and you disagree you probably just have an odd eating habit... it's like me preferring cold chinese food the next day, i fucking love it but i'm aware that's not something most people find appetizing and i get why... to most people plain salad is at best edible simply cuz the things in it are usually good, but it's not like if there's a choice they'd rather eat it with nothing on it

>>6455770
You are still going to gain weight if you eat a ton of "healthy" food, just saying...

No offense, but this whole post reeks of fatty logic, mostly because if you actually were doing what you are saying in the post, you would be loosing weight. Stop trying to pretend your perfect and try to recognize what's keeping you from loosing weight. I know me personally, I can keep up a good routine if all the food in the house is healthy, but if someone brings me cake or snacks I will literally eat it in a day by myself. What's really keeping you from loosing weight? Are you really working out as much as you say? Are you REALLY eating this healthy in moderate proportions?

Dating a girl but I think I may be crushing on my cis gay friend who will probably never be romantically interested in me. feels bad

>>6456295
Yeah, I'm not exaggerating. And I eat small meals throughout the day or small snacks. I mean I'm really, really trying. I would kill for a pitch black mt dew. KILL

I'll post when I get some good results. It's hard to be patient and fight off cravings.

>large hips
>fairly skinny

is there any hope for fat redistribution or am i fucked?

>>6457000
yea u can get a beer belly.

>>6457000

You're fucked if you have large hips because of bone structure. Might not be fucked if you just have a fat ass.

>>6457020
no you were right I just wanted to see what someone would say in this context. I guess i could ditch guymode at some point.

>>6457049
lol. im fairly new to hormones, not really trying, and my hair is kinda short. not really expecitng to pass yet.

Does anyone wanna be my bf

>>6457707
I'm kind of cute but chubby, but I'm also loyal and affectionate

>>6457712
Btw what happened to your face? 1-2 years ago you had an awesome smile and a really healthy face.

In your most recent pictures you look like a gutted train wreck.

Wuh ha happened?

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>>6455770
Take measurements every few weeks - at least waist, hips and chest, maybe upper arms and thighs at the widest spot, too.

Progress is slow and creeps up on you, especially if you stay at a similar weight. I wasn't sure I was making progress at all until I looked at older pictures. Just by looking in the mirror I missed the gradual changes.

It's also possible that fat deposits in your arms and legs just go first.

>>6456195
>if I continue to do all the workouts I'm doing now, should I be eating more calories then
I don't know how much you're eating, what your maintenance intake is, how patient you are, how much protein you're getting, if you're on hormones or not etc etc
If you want to lose weight, you need to eat less than what your body requires - you need to give your body a reason to tap into its resources, basically.
But you also want to gain muscle?

The usual advice is either lose fat (eat less + lifting), OR eat a bit more (a very small surplus since you're converned with your bodyfat + lifting + more protein).
Sorry for the late response, I managed to sleep.

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>>6457753
Idrk what yr talking about senpai, I think it just depends on whether im wearing makeup or not, like most women

WHY CANT THE FUCKING HONS AND CHASERS BE CANCER IN THEIR OWN THREADS? NOONE FUCKING WANTS YOU HERE YOU ATTENTION WHORES!

>>6455693
Femaleness is like if you won the wrong prize at a carnival and weren't allowed to trade it in for the one you actually wanted.

I love beautiful women. I just don't want to be one. And as long as there's no "grow-a-dick-from-stem-cells-and-graft-it-on" deal, I'd never feel complete or comfortable being with a woman, no matter how hot she is. Bottom surgery fucking blows for FtMs.

someone explain this to me; won't estrogen blockers drive you right into menopause if you're not on T? won't you basically be running on no hormones at all? why would you give kids that then?

this also goes for me. well, not a kid (though I'm pretty damn retarded a few years). I'm pretty sure I went through puberty long ago but shit man, I'm starting to notice changes at this late age and it's freaking me the fuck out. Either I'm growing a distorted vision/figure of myself, or my diet or lack of exercise is adding up to it, I don't know, but I'm going nuts. my tits have suddenly grown huge (was A, probably B-C now) and no longer a candidate for keyhole because of this.

thing is, thanks to quite amazing and very humane country laws, because I have not been accompagnied by a gender therapist for at least 2 years (1 and a half in some special lucky cases), I cannot even be considered for T. I asked said therapist about blockers and she had no idea the fuck I'm talking about, told me to ask my doc, got appt in 2 hours, but still.

does ftmg have any experience or knowledge?

>>6459075
how old are you? if you're past puberty they'll be actively harmful, it's not healthy for an adult to have no sex hormones.

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Just wanna remind you boys that I love you all and that all your transitions will be successful. Despite sadness and set-backs now, you will one day make and find true happiness - the struggles now will be a distant memory which paved the way to the excellent person you will become.

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>>6459531

I'm gonna beat the shit out of you, son.

>>6459514
>>6459531
daddies pls

>>6459531
>>6459534
Don't fight, we have complicated love/hate relationships with you both. There's enough angst here for everyone.

>>6459514
Reading this made me happy. I wish I could hope.

>Guys get insulted if I hold the door for them
>Guys get insulted if I give them flowers
>Guys get insulted if I pay for the date
Fuck these insecure faggots. I'm going straight.

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>seeing gp on tuesday
>toby is a really cool guy
>100% sure hes not gonna turn down the recommendation and is gonna fill my script

oh god i dont know what im going to do now hold me ftmg

Can I post here if I'm a boi but not a boy

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>>6460373
We're excited for you, anon
>>6460451
The fuck is a boi?

>>6460490
DYE queer??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boi_(slang)

Boi may also refer to someone assigned female at birth, who generally does not identify as, or only partially identifies as feminine, female, a girl, or a woman. Some bois are trans and/or intersex people.[8] Some "bois" identify as one or more of these, but they almost always identify as lesbians, dykes, or queer. Many trans bois are also genderqueer/nonbinary (in itself a trans/transgender group), or might identify as cis persons or trans men, and yet practice genderfuck in which they do not fit in either masculine or feminine binary gender presentation. Bois may prefer a range of pronouns, including "he", "she", or non-binary and gender-neutral pronouns such as "they", "co", "hir", "sie", "zie", "xe", and "ey".[9] The term has found increasing usage in the larger LGBT culture.

>>6460505
Wow that sounds like some tumblr 'I'm actually a girl but I want to feel speshul' bullshit.

And god no, I avoid the 'qweer community' as much as possible. All my fellow legbutt friends are normal.

>>6460526
I'm not actually a girl though, I'm a boi

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>>6460531
No

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>>6460531
:)

>tfw i look like a fucking noodle 8 year old dude

>>6460573
>>/fit/
1.Read sticky
2.Go do
3.?????
4.Profit

>>6459534
>>6459531
>>6459514
Are you two in gay with each other like good parents

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I'm living with a FTM, and I just have to ask.

Why is it that every FTM I see, basically him and his friends all wear snapback caps and those college jackets and in general just dressing super "male lead in high school musical"

same goes for MTF with miniskirts.

Not baiting here, I'm genuinely curios what's so appealing about those styles of dress to you lot

>>6460622
Because the FtM who don't look cis so they become invisible.

>>6460622
I know about 3 ftm's including myself and I'm pretty sure none of us even own snapbacks... it's probably a regional thing desu, most "fashion" things are. If every other male in the region wears snapbacks every day, the ftm's are going too follow by example like any other insecure young adult..

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>>6458298
Thank you for the advice. And everyone else too, thanks. Hip fat sucks.

>>6459531
>>6459560

Get ready for a beatdown

>>6459544
>>6459551

son no

>>6459554

There's always hope, bud

>>6460121

gibe that, it's sweet and thoughtful

>>6460611

n-no....

>>6460622
Gotta imitate what fashion sense they think defines masculine to them.

For example, I used to wear office clothes. Nowadays it's whatever is clean, whatever is on sale. But I've also transitioned and don't have to try to fit any binary or presentation to convince people I'm male.

>>6460622
Basically this: >>6461867

>gotta wear what fashion sense they think is masculine

Also, many ftms were masculine women before they transitioned, but don't make the connection that masculine women's clothing is different from men's clothing.

I also do it because I was robbed of my teenage years and I never got to be the handsome bad boy I know I am inside :^)

Also, snap backs make my tiny head look better and baseball caps look stupid.

>>6456315
depends, is boypussy and ass training included?

>>6456315
Do I get to wear cat ears and be pampered as well?

all i've ever wanted is to be able to live a normal life as a gay man, and it's kind of dawning on me that it'll never be possible because i'm trans. i felt so alone at pride today. before i transitioned i felt like i was on the outside looking in to the queer community, now i feel like i'm finally inside but now that i'm here no one wants to talk to me. i think i'm just kind of destined to feel like an outsider forever, like being sad and alone is just part of my nature. it can't be this bad though, maybe i can't have a totally normal gay life but can't i at least have a good gay life? idk, i'm rambling. does anyone have any tips on finding decent guys to date? i'm good-looking and get a lot of responses on dating sites and apps but the reactions i get when i tell people i'm trans are really disheartening.

>>6462396
Why not just be upfront about being FTM on a dating website? IDGI you could just bypass the whole awkward coming out bit if you put FTM in your bio or profile.
I live stealth but have found plenty of gay and bi men interested online, and had a long term relationship from that.

>>6462396
>before transitioning don't feel like a real part of the lgbt community
>during transition realize that trans people might as well not be a part of the lgbt community because no one gives a shit about us in "the community," despite the fact that we are the most misunderstood and mistreated by society
>post transition deal with all these lgbt- I mean gay, bisexual, and lesbian- twats who played life on easy mode being gay in first world countries tell you how "hard" being gay is and talk condescendingly to you if you have any of your own opinions because they just think you're a straight male and you are either forced to out yourself and have them forever not treat you like a real person or treat you like you're a stupid straight male who isn't allowed to have opinions.

Being trans is the ultimate, unending circle jerk of oppression and hatred.

>>6462658
probably SJWs

>>6462687
Let's be honest though. No one really gives a shit about trans people, not even the lgbt community, not even other trans people most of the time. We're all unfortunate souls and the only time we really need the community or help is when we're at our ugliest, mid-transition, unpassing, full angst selves, which is also why people try their best to pretend we don't exist. We're too "unseemly" to be a part of the lgbt community except after transitioning when we pass and look pretty in our 'new' genders. But even then we're always outsiders and only tolerated.

Also I used to go to an lgbt support group for lgbt youth which was anywhere from early teens to early 20's. Anyway about 3/4 of the adult leadership would misgender the transgender kids just because... "damn those unpassing kids going through their fad!" "they're not real transgendereds until they start hrt and start passing.... even though they're underage and can't actually transition because they're too young for hrt and their parents would beat them and kick them out of the house if they tried to transition... they're just silly kids playing with their pronouns!"

Yes I am was only trans person who didn't get misgendered by the counselors because of my cushy, middleclass upbringing with a liberal mom who supports me led to me getting hrt earlier and starting to pass as male. Yet they are the ones who really need the support but don't recieve it because they're not "serious" about being trans, aka they're too poor or living with people who would kick them out for transitioning if they tried, usually a combination of both.

I'm kind of in a salty mood right now so sorry for the rant but I'm not sorry.

>>6462578
i do put it in my profile, but no one reads profiles apparently. also i live in an area with lots of immigrants and people who don't speak english very well, i am totally open to dating people who speak english as a second language but often they don't understand what it means when my profile says that i'm a trans man.

>tired as all fuck
>busy ass day at work
>Actually fucking hearing every time someone says 'she' today when usually I can ignore it
>accidentally fucking deadname myself in a moment of "dammit, me"

just fuckin end me familia

>>6463464
i'm 3 years into transition and i still deadname myself when i'm chiding myself in my head. it's fucked up but i try not to beat myself up over it too much, it's really hard to get out of a habit you've spent like 25 years getting yourself into.

>>6463489
yeah it'd been better if i hadn't lost the ability to internal monologue due to sleep dep and fucking said it out loud.

But yeah, i'll be better about it when i get some more sleep in me. Thanks man.

>tfw constantly wanting rough and degrading sex with cis men

Why can't I be a normal hetero boy? Why don't I want a wife and 1.5 kids and instead crave dick?

>tfw glue some hair on your face with mastix
>tfw it actually doesn't look bad
>go out like this to test the waters
>friends don't seem to notice at first but then they ask you since when you can grow such facial hair

>>6463778
u r a str8 grl

>>6460566
I don't get it.

I just want to say that I hate you guys

You look like men than you match with me on a dating app and then you pull the rug from under me
I hopefully broke the guy up a bit because he decided to make a connection with me before spilling the beans

It's like you all have hiv and still try to go after normal people

Yes I am a bit salted

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Every doctor/specialist I see puts up another roadblock in front of me when it comes to starting T. All this time and money wasted trying to get set up on hormone therapy and they turn me away because of their own bias.
Makes me want to give up and off myself.

>>6464861
Fuck you too, I'm in no way required to tell you what I have in my pants unless it seems like you might have actually something to do with my genitals. Ofc it's different if those guys and you are just looking for a hookup and the genitals are all that matter, in that case they should be upfront about it.

>>6465040
Relationships involve sex believe it or not
In fact it's a major part of a relationship
Youre genitals in fact do matter when it comes to love
Anyone who says otherwise is lying to your face

If you're on a dating app and not up front you deserve the hate that comes to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55BFSUxiuxA

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>>6464861
Well, I for one, am a cis gay man who loves these guys. ftms are such bros, the person I love to talk to more than anyone else is a ftm guy, and sometimes think I get on better with ftms than other cis guys.

anyway, that aside, I was really coming into this thread to post my observations that of all the types in LGBT+, ftms appear to be the biggest dank memers. So how often do you guys pop into /tv/ and "JUST" or "BANE?"

>>6465058
Sure sure but I'm not going to end up in a relationship with most guys who I'm talking to in apps. Not every random fucker needs to know such an intimate thing about me.

>>6465177

FtMs are everywhere on the internet. They're like the meme illuminati, steering the tides of meme.

There's a solid chance that all meme/bait threads started on all boards are started by FtMs. They're like reptile jews except they don't eat children and have big noses.

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>>6465241

Also pic related. It never was testosterone that they were injecting.

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>>6465058
>typical gay men being a massive dickslut that only cares about having unprotected sex with the bbc that can fill his asshole up with aids

Have fun being a cock warmer for about 5 years before you catch the aids I guess

>>6465040
It's probably best to be up front about it anyway on a dating site. Weeds out a lot of the people who aren't into trans people right off the bat, and makes those who are into trans easier to connect with. Plus you won't have to face rejection based on the fact you're trans.

>>6462949
If those people don't understand due to language barriers then what are you going to do? if this is a common problem you have maybe try to learn their language or date people who are fluent english speakers only. Where do you live?

>>6462949
If they don't know what it means because they only speak taco then that's their own problem desu. It's not your fault they can't read english properly.

>>6465358
Well as I'm completely stealth it's either no mention of me being ftm if I show my face, or just a body pic with a mention that I am ftm. Not taking unneccessary risks about randon people knowing my personal business.

>>6465478
Unnecessary risks like what? You're not putting your home address in your bio...
I live stealth too but I'm always upfront on dating profiles and use privacy or visibility settings they may have like being required to log in to view my profile, or not allowing straighties to see my profile. Never had any complaints personally.
Best of luck tho.

>>6465600
There is always a risk of running into people you know and who dont know your past. I live in a small european city, it's nothing like huge cities in the US etc.

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>>6449861
you are so hot jfc

i'm a pre t transboy what are some exercises yall reccomend for achieving boy figure

>>6465177
I shitpost often but not on /tv/ usually.

>>6465822
>>6449861 sorry that pic is obviously a cis boy

>>6465851
i will never look that good i should kill self

>>6462658

>post transition deal with all these lgbt- I mean gay, bisexual, and lesbian- twats who played life on easy mode being gay in first world countries tell you how "hard" being gay is and talk condescendingly to you if you have any of your own opinions because they just think you're a straight male and you are either forced to out yourself and have them forever not treat you like a real person or treat you like you're a stupid straight male who isn't allowed to have opinions.

That's one of the gotchas of being FTM. You have a high chance of passing, now you gotta deal with being super duper privilieged. Might as while wear a MAGA hat while your at it.

The opposite happens for MTFs, they tend not to pass and SJW types assume on their behalf that they're super oppressed.

>>6465886
Having SJW racist morons discount your opinions because you look like a "white cis male" isn't really a privelege tho.
"Passing privelege" is just more regressive shit they use to silence people who disagree with them.

>>6451501
I'm 18 pounds underweight and I get my T shot no problem.

>>6465227
He told me the fucking faggot

>>6465259
Your prosthetic dick created from plastic by some middle eastern doctor is not a real dick and never will be
You can not please women or men with it

>>6465997
>implying my strap on isnt made by quality sex toy companies from the best silicone

unless youre talking about phallo in which case i think you have a bit of a misunderstanding about basic surgery

in summary: 2/10 try harder next time bud

>yes i am bored why do you ask

>>6466015
All fake
If I wanted to be fucked by a dildo I would just use a dildo

Besides that I'm more of a top any way but it's no fun if your partner has a fake dick
Fuck all of you deceivers

>>6466087
youll never know the joy of being fucked by someone with a really weird dragon dick

sucks to be you boo

>>6466094
What part of
>I'm more of a top anyway
Don't you understand dumb fuck?

I don't want to get fuck a weird dragon dick

>>6466087
No one is forcing you to fuck ftms, I'm pretty sure if you're looking to hook up you pass on many cis guys too for different reasons (too fat, too tall, too small cock, etc), a guy having a pussy is just another reason. I dont disclose on the profile but I dont get butthurt either if they arent into ftms, I skip on many guys too if their looks/personality isnt to my taste, or if their cock is too small (would also pass on ftms).

>>6466118
variety is the spice of life

>>6465941
>18 pounds underweight
You're 18 pounds beneath the 18.5 bmi level? Are you 8 feet tall or completely emaciated?

So, what do FTM vaginas taste/smell like? Like a cis penis? Cis vagina? Something different?

>>6466283
Kind of like cock and cum desu

>>6466283
like sweat, booze, and gasoline

>>6466729
You might want to get that checked, m8

>>6466094
I wish dragons were real and sentient so I could be fucked by his really weird dragon dick

>>6465040
If you don't state it up front you're in for a world of suffering. This is the problem I have with going to bars and stuff; I don't want to hit on or be hit on by someone who doesn't like vagina and waste everyone's time and probably be put in an awkward situation
Bottom gay trans guys are better off than straight trans guys at least. No difference between the asshole of someone with a penis or a vagina

>>6466283
Dirt and rat BO

>>6467007
Lol havent suffered until now and I doubt I'll ever will. Maybe some people get butthurt when guys suddenly arent interested after you tell them but I'm not. And some guys who would have immediately wrote you off just for the fact that you're ftm might actually be more ok with it and give it a chance if they know you first and are into you.

>>6467007
>tfw bi top trans man
>tfw straight girls and gay guys don't want to get fucked with a fake dick
>why live

>>6467303
Why not fuck biscum?

How many people are in the Skype group?

Can chasers come in?

>>6463778
AAP

>>6467391
Are you male/female?

>>6467643
Cismale

>>6467852

Add duckduckfrog, ask him and call him a giant poo from me.

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>tfw straight
>tfw like the taste of transboy piss

>>6449192
if you're still here you should be able to take finasteride to slow balding
BUT the stuff that causes you to go bald is also responsible for beard growth and clit growth.

also, hair transplants.

>>6467348
that's the plan fampai
i just have to find fellow biscum first