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Repression Amnesty edition*

▶ Informed consent providers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/932389/Trans/Stepping%20Forward%20-%20Informed%20Consent%20Clinics.pdf
▶ Trans Info Dump: http://pastebin.com/h1vLPxyV
▶ Beginner makeup resources: http://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
▶ Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
▶ Transition timelines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
▶ Voice Training: http://pastebin.com/dgipdsge
▶ HRT info: https://web.archive.org/web/0000000000000/http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Hormones
▶ Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
▶ IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat#mtfg
▶ Zeemaps: https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1843968

>>6406475

*just admit to your desire to be a girl and we wont even attempt to try to convince you to transition that much
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leave the repressing guys alone, they can live however they want
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>>6407318
DON'T CALL ME FLANNEL
I AM THE BIRD
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>>6407467
You better not give them too many pics. I want more pics tho, send me some on skype bb.
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>>6407467
flannel triggers me
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>>6407467
cuddleplum :3
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>>6407467
nice neck ruffles and beak desu
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>>6407467
quite clearly I am the bird
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>>6407467
That post reminded me of the good old "incident with the bird" picture from rotten.com
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>tfw begging gf to communicate and getting quick answers that are completely off topic and hurtful

I wonder if It's because she's playing overwatch rather then like calling me and having a honest conversation about her feelings and how we should approach stuff


I'm like just sitting here crying and I don't know how to like talk to her as a person
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>>6407476
hello birdy
is there anyting you want to tell the thread?
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>>6407479
Please describe
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>>6407480
message her and say
>yo woman make me a sandwich
and then when she doesnt reply fly to new york and go to her place with all the stuff to make a sandwich and make one for each of you and then distract her from overwatch somehow
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>>6407480
I found a creeper pic of you in boymode!
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>>6407454
repression is a hell of a thing
like holy fuck I was text book
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>tfw no bf
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>>6407483
Well, it's a parrot. Perched on an erect penis.
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>>6407476
*hi-fives birdy*
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>>6407480
You are violently needy, not only for your age.
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>>6407453 #
I've gone over this. My life is literally a test of how patient a human can be before going on a homicidal rampage. My entire life is just waiting for shit.
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>>6407489
HEY KAYLA
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>>6407491
boys are dumb be agp instead

>>6407495
I'd try this but my brid tends to bite a lot
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>>6407498
Humans need companionship, nobody can avoid it forever. Except like, Buddhist monks or whatever.
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>>6407489
I never could. Even when I detransitioned, I kept my hair long and I still wore clothes from the women's section...
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>>6407480
call me
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>>6407507
it's like the third fight they have about Faye needing more attention and Edie doing her thing they had this month.
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>>6407509
well good for you, I was busting up driveways in 100F degree heat and drinking straight gin and getting into fist fights
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>>6407491
You'll get there sis. you're smart and pretty and dedicated.
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Will HRT do anything for my brow?
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>>6407491
>the feel when no repressed boyfriend
>the feel when he will never sneak out at night and go to trans nightclubs in drag
>the feel when you will never stay up drinking gin all night waiting for him to get home getting ready for yet another fight about him hanging out with other hons instead of just becoming a girl
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>>6407479
>rotten.com
wew lass it's been a long time since I've been to or heard about that site
>>6407481
it's hot and I wish the sun didn't exist
>>6407491
you can get a bf, it's not difficult
>>6407496
*hi-fives you back*
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>>6407514
Uh. Straight gin is a girly drink, you know...
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>>6407502
That sucks, sorry :c

At least if you get out of it with your brain intact, you shouldn't have to work anymore right?
>>6407512
So why do you default to blaming Faye, maybe Edie is neglectful, huh?
>>6407520
Get a surgeon for that lol
It should at least stop it from getting worse though!
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>>6407514
>gin
hah even your spirit of choice during repression was girly
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>>6407524
really? I did get made fun of my posture and even when I was all buff they said I carried myself like a woman.
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>>6407523
Well, I came here in 2004 because /b/ was touted as a better source for shock pics than rotten...
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>>6407523
>it's hot and I wish the sun didn't exist
no I mean something about thinking you were a girl at 14
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>>6407527
You were never actually buff
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>>6407532
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>>6407527
>tfw nobody makes fun of you for your womanly posture
:c
>>6407533
If that's actually for actual, then you're a pretty bad person for sharing that here.
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>>6407532
>2004
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>tfw you sucked at being a guy and couldn't convincingly repress
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posting it here, too.

>tfw wearing your boyfriend's clothes

Do i make a cute boy, /mtfg/ ?
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>>6407535
I was cut

>>6407526
why is gin girly? I thought it was the mans drink
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A cute male friend who isn't going to allow long term attachment wants tit pics... I'm really pure and inexperienced, should I explore or will it hurt me?
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>>6407545
ur a cute anything, top jelly
>>6407547
>should I explore or will it hurt me?
yes to both
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>>6407516
c:
>>6407514
U seem awfully proud of how much of man u were for someone who claims to be a woman
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>>6407544
same
>tfw tried to play sports with the guys but failed at it
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>>6407547
>should I explore or will it hurt me?
Both
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>>6407545
>icp hat
oh my fucking god burn it
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>>6407543
Yeah, I know, I'm old.
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>>6407547

>allow

That right there is a red flag.
If you want emotional validation, I wouldn't.

>>6407549

O-oh. </3
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>>6407557
>doubling down
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there are so many autists here goddamn, where do i find the normal trans people
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>>6407541
>If that's actually for actual, then you're a pretty bad person for sharing that here.
birdy said it already here >>6377073
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>>6407558
heya circe!
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>>6407547
Do what feels right for you
Not going to lie, you're probably going to get hurt, but getting hurt is a part of life
It's up to you if the chance of hurt is worth whatever you'll get out of it
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>>6407525
damn, surgery is expensive af I don't wanna be stuck with an ugly brow ;~;
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>>6407564

Oh, hey babe, sup~?
Haven't spoken to you in awhile.
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>>6407551
>U seem awfully proud of how much of man u were for someone who claims to be a woman
so do you, you rich piece of shit
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>>6407546
>why is gin girly? I thought it was the mans drink
okay, this is the best sentence of the night, no one can sincerely top it.
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>>6407561
/cislesgen/
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>>6407567
life had some ups and some downs I'm trying to figure out what to do next since school kinda fell through a month before graduation
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>>6407532
it used to be I guess, now it's just /soc/ 2.0 with a lot more dicks last I checked
>>6407533
was it not clear the other day? when I was an extremely horny and confused 14 year old boy I wanted to be a girl for like a week and no longer
>>6407541
I mean I shared it here to begin with
>>6407561
I'll point you in the right direction, you just gotta be my friend first
>>6407547
I wouldn't, but it's your body and you make the decisions
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>>6407568
Hahaha why am I not surprised that you have pics of me saved
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>>6407561
since edie went away this has really topple down, right? too many people in early transition chatting wbout absolutely anything except trans related stuff.
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>>6407544
Yeah... I settled into an (I thought) sustainable "feminine guy" thing when I realized I lacked the resources to transition, and used all the TERF excuses to explain to myself why that was best. Left me quasi-functional for years, and most people accepted the fem guy thing at face value.

I'm glad at least a few of my friends called bullshit periodically...
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Tfw ffs couldn't even fix your man face
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>>6407568
Kayla, just die already. Ask you mom to kill you. She would gladly do so.
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>>6407552
What sport did you play and suck at?

I played soccer like a limpwristed fgt lol
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>>6407572
>was it not clear the other day? when I was an extremely horny and confused 14 year old boy I wanted to be a girl for like a week and no longer
yes, okay
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>>6407569
but James Bond drank gin

>>6407573
I really hope horrible things happen for you with all my heart. I would sacrifice my own happiness if it meant tragedy would befall your fucking ass.
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>>6407568
>>6407573
WHEN ARE YOU TWO GOING TO STOP FIGHTING AND START KISSING?
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>>6407558
I guess just getting over myself, breaking down mental walls, and having fun for once is what I would hope to get out of it, but scared
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>>6407455
Yay! I finally have a friend
>tfw she ditches you when she finds out you're a hon
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>>6407579
What a coincidence. You are a limp wristed faggot.
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>>6407572
i'll be ur friend pls help deliver me from this godforsaken pit of autist hons
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>>6407583
Lol u have to get something to sacrifice first bb
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>>6407579
Football and cricket iirc, I did give soccer a try too
I played all of those games terrible, I was scared of the ball hitting me ;_;
Too bad the girls hated me so I couldn't hang out with them, all those lonely recesses
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>>6407579
When I was 7 I was on a soccer team and we lost every game I was in. That was the last time I ever actually played sports, in school when we had to do them I would just take a position where I didn't have to do anything. If the ball came towards me I avoided it.
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>>6407590
skype pls
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>>6407583
Nah, James bond drank Dry Martiniz, not straight gin. Straight gin is what teenage girls drink to get smashed as fast as possible. Well, that and tequila.
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>>6407583
>>6407592
WHY CANT YOU JUST LOVE EACH OTHER LIKE IN MY CHINESE CARTOONS?
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>>6407592
>Lol u have to get something to sacrifice first bb
yeah probably my family who loves me with all their heart unlike yours who dropped you like u were spoiled milk
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>>6407600
Rude
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Alright. That's enough hostility for one day. Good night mtfg. I like most of you, even if a lot of you are bad at being good to one another, and especially yourselves.

All the best.
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>>6407590
Fuck off hon
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>>6407547
>pure
All I've ever done is oral once. A-am I pure?
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>>6407596
rachel.lindstromm
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tfw ur a boy
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>>6407273
>http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/what-it-was-like-to-transition-50-years-ago.html

>It was a very different era[1982]. In healthcare, it was openly homophobic and transphobic.

>>6407544
I never was good at repression. At best I could be neutral, and try not to do feminine things.

>>6407579
I was a star crosscountry runner. 10k was my race I often won.

>>6407594
Sounds like me and soccer.
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>>6407611
I think you misspelled nana in your file name...
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>>6407603
Pls stop acting like being close enough to ur mom to wear her panties is something to be envious of>>6407603
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>>6407611
when will this "I'm not a girl" meme end?
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>>6407587
Well yeah obviously, I took hormones and cut my dick off for a reason.

>>6407593
iktf
I mostly kept to myself too at recess desu. It was a lonely time

>>6407594
Phys ed sucked ;~;

>>6407606
Goodnight akaka
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>>6407583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDIiPIJmXcE
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>>6407611
this is you?
don't you complain like all the time?
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>>6407611
is that your boymode? you look like a complete girl
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>>6407590
>interacting with the autist chaser will make this a better place
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>>6407617
Okay, I will act like having a loving brother and sisters who would die for me, or my mom and bio dad, or step dad, or aunts and uncles who all love me and care about me unlike your family which ditched you as if you peed on the pope.
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>>6407611
>tfw feel left out of all these qt passer only memes
my only purpose here is to make yall look better in comparison isn't it
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>>6407620
Primary School was shit desu, I can say I wanted to kill myself many times
thankfully high school was much better

>phys ed sucked
worst classes desu
>tfw people make fun of you for shielding your face from the ball
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>>6407628
>>6407617
Y'know it would probably be less effort to just ignore each other, just putting that out there
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>cant bother wiping off glasses cause hes home...they're just gonna get smudged again
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ive been spending the past like hour and a half watching nier automata videos and holy crud i havent been so excited for a game in a long time @___@
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>>6407636
and fuck our flannels
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>>6407636
everyone except me and sheen pass
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>>6407617
>>6407628
pls stop fighting, you're going to get married soon ;~;
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>>6407642
hot desu
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>>6407648
everyone except sheen passes
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>tfw ur bad at being a girl
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>>6407641
Bantz with bully anon is upsetting or taxing sometimes when I just want to shitpost but bantering with Kayla is fun. She's like a mean little kid
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>>6407641
Oh maddie can't ignore me, why else would he post here if not to gloat? I spoil his fun by calling out his bullshit antics because he is a rich man who purchases passing like any one of his fancy toys given by his parents in his spoiled ass life. Fuck "maddie." I hope he gets a blood clot from E in his brain and has to eat from a tube forever.
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>>6407646
did sony kinda win E3?
like, I hate that all their amazing games are exclusives, but the fact that they're all on ps4 means I can just get a ps4
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>>6407658
Like this post literally made me laugh out loud >>6407659
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>>6407648
lol. just, lol. you couldn't pass a tractor trailer on the highway bitch
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>>6407601
Long Island Iced Teas sans ice... I started out every dinner at the restaurant in NYC with one. I used the alcohol to deaden my nerves some so I could socialize.

>>6407620
At my second school, I got out of phys ed fast when I told them I was on hormones. I went to my guidance counselor, and showed her my pills i was taking, and told her what would happen. She wouldn't do anything. So I went to the nurse, and got her help. The next day I was in art class. That was back in 1981.

>>6407639
>>tfw people make fun of you for shielding your face from the ball
iktf
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like
GOG
DAMN
i love literally everything that i've seen about this game so far

>>6407660
i mean at this point it really seems so
i mean im kind of a sony fan anyway because all the kinds of games i like end up being on playstation sooo
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>>6407663
I know, which is why you are all fucking bastards living lies. You get to live like kings because everything was handed to you and its right time you were all taken down a notch.

>>6407662
filtered
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>>6407639
>tfw sad and mostly friendless in elementary
>tfw you bullied the shit out of another kid for being "faggy"
10 year old me needed a kick in the ass
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>>6407670
awh, kayla, i didn't mean this :( you know i think you're pretty, right?
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>>6407639
I hated phys ex because it was gender segregated and I had no male friends. However, everyone knew I was too proud to shy away from a ball, so I still got passes when I was doing nothing in the right place (at the wrong time). When playing rugby, that often resulted in a try because I really, really didn't want to be tackled and I was a fast, unpredictable runner. And because since I wasn't actively playing, the opposing team didn't pay much attention to where I was, to be entirely honest.
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>>6407669
OH! NIER. that game is top notch, girl. enjoy it.
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>>6407669
ive never played nier before but im getting really interested in it
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>>6407624
Leave the thread
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>>6407670
N-no... We had some good times Kay. Remember Amsterdam? Or the time you ate all that ice cream and got a brain freeze? Are you really gonna throw all that away?
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>>6407639
I haaated middle school. I was always super shy, trying not to look at people. Once we had to play volleyball and they divided the class in half and each half played their own game. I ended up on the woman's side and got a position in the back corner, the way the game was played was wired because everyone was layed out on their side like a grid and you didn't move, you just hit it if it came to you. I zoned out like I always did and the ball came in my direction and hit me right above the groin to where it didn't hit anything but it looked like it did and I didn't react. Some kidlet like 4' tall on the other team made fun of me asking if I felt that and some of the guys on the other team started laughing. A girl on my team told me not to respond to that like she felt sorry for me. I don't know if they thought I was retarded or just a faggot but I hated it. High school was so much better because no one gave a shit about anyone but themselves.
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>>6407670
Kayla are you gonna shoot up /mtfg/? It sounds like it.
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>>6407668
>not being athletic
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>>6407647
well i havent done that yet

>>6407648
nah you're just a memester

>>6407669
great concept art but that chromatic aberration is killing my eyes
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>>6407676
no you don't, you know I am just another suicide stat ready to explode into nothingness
meanwhile you and maddie and even elanna live like royalty and never have a worry in your life, you live like cis girls, something every mtf cant have and yet you get it and treat it like its no big deal even though its the biggest deal imaginable, you get what we never will, to be treated like girls. I envy alll of you to the point of hate, I just want to wrap a tow strap around my neck and throw myself off a bridge
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>>6407658
>>6407659
>>6407662
>>6407670
>>6407685
STOP FIGHTING
KISS AND MAKE UP
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>>6407690
kill yourself bitch
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>tfw I might get a console this cycle instead of upgrading my PC, because I don't game much anymore

>>6407669
I'm just watching the boss battle they showed, and it looks fucking AWESOME

>>6407675
>tfw I bullied a kid for being short
>tfw he was on T
>tfw he bullied me back for being girly
>tfw I should have been on E
middle school sucked
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All those memories... Lost like tears in the rain...

Time to die.
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>>6407682
Why?
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>>6407678
>>6407680
i havent played the original but im really considering getting a ps3 and getting it. since there's other shit i never ended up playing for ps3 that i'd like to, anyway...

>>6407695
true im not really a fan of that
the game looks so beautiful though, im a total sucker for empty overgrown ruined civilization

>>6407701
right???? RIGHT??????
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>>6407698
kayla, stahp
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>>6407689
That little pussy ass autistic faggot loser is too much of coward to do anything.
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>>6407668
I didn't need alcohol to socialize but it just kept flowing my way. Friends had a simple recipe for making any party less dull: add me, pour alcohol and stir.
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>>6407698
>live like royalty
>live like cis girls

neither of these are true. i am always anxious, am afraid to have sex, can't figure out my sexuality, and get clocked occasionally.

you're fucking gorgeous kayla. you have a great body, you're decent with makeup, you have probably the most passable voice out of all of us.

please just realize that you're being silly. i know one day you're going to be able to look back on all of this and realize how dumb you're being.

very very few of us have it truly easy. you're going to have to come to terms with it.
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>>6407675
I know that feel so hard
>most of elementary school years had no friends
>bullied relentlessly in year 1, teacher """punished""" the kid by allowing him to play games on the computer
>spent most of my year 4 recess lying around sad, pretty damn suicidal in this year and the next
>bullied by a teacher in year 5, parents didn't care enough to help

>>6407677
In my phys ed classes, genders played together
I never did well, I tended to just pick a position that would be away from the ball the most amount of times

>>6407687
>I zoned out like I always did
same, never focused in those classes
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>>6407698
Go on then idiot, if you're gonna live your life as a bitter cunt then stop being dramatic and fucking do it like the rest of the weaklings. You're a fucking coward Kayla.
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>>6407561
>normal trans people
???
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>>6407708
It's like
the best parts of Ys
mixed with some flavors of touhou
given amazing graphics
and this stupidly cool design theme

I'm gonna watch the trailer now, and maybe some other videos. You've got me hyped.
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>>6407706
>playing video games

ew fucking gross, i thought you liked art
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>>6407708
>im a total sucker for empty overgrown ruined civilization
One of the best aesthetics desu. Oh and this is an upcoming game I didn't even realize. I thought it was some console release from a few years ago, guess I shoulda paid more attention. Not really my genre nor platform but I can appreciate the looks.
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my boobs hurt
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>>6407727
its just a game though..
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>>6407708
the first resistance game was pretty fun. easy to find. multiplayer has a pretty nice community of hxc snipers and one hit meleers left. thats pretty fun. do you have a list of other stuff youre interested in? I kind of want to play more games now that i have the time to. thinking ff14. or is 15 about to come out?
>>6407706
what. i love ur snaps btw lol.
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>>6407728
>>6407706
whoops. wrong reply.

(blade runner is great btw, and its where i got my girl name from)

>>6407708
>video games

ew fucking gross, i thought you liked art.
>>
OK so I was getting some Pei Wei and I thought Teriyaki was a really pretty name, but I didn't want people to immediately think of food so maybe Terry Yaki Andrews?
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>>6407719
hugboxing at its best. At least you have friends and money in a bank account. I have nothing and I am nothing and I look like garbage. And with that I will call it a night.

here's to dying in my sleep hopefully
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>>6407734
:D thx bb. You should snap me more often!!
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>>6407737
ufufu looks like rachel

>>6407742
she was telling the truth though
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>tfw wasn't at pulse
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>>6407738
lrn2satire

you could be doing this so much better
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>>6407733
so? What's wrong with getting excited about a game?

>>6407737
>where i got my girl name
you have p good taste in movies, so it's a shame you don't consider videogames an art form
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>>6407467
YOUR PARROTLET IS SO CUTE
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>>6407743
im trying! sometimes they dont send bc connections weird around my work. also desu i wasnt sure if you even liked me.
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You're all pretty cool people, take care everybody <3
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>>6407727
yeeeeeees
yeah i honestly can't get enough, i think it's going to be amazing tbqh. gotta get a ps4 @_@

>>6407730
mhmm! well the first nier came out a while back for ps3, this is a sequel that's set in the same world but is sort of removed from the earlier game(s)

>>6407734
whats a resistance? and as far as games are concerned, not really, my taste is truly all over the place. ff14 is cool! i still play it. 15 will be out in september.

>>6407737
but rachel video games ARE art :^)
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>>6407722
;~;
That's awful.
Idk, bullying people is awful, I regret ever doing it. I started repressing pretty early and acted like an ass in the process.

>>6407701
Middle school was dildos :(
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>>6407749
whats wrong with waiting a few years and playing it later? its not like an actual physical item. the data will be virtually saved to be accessed in the future for whenever..
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>>6407744
she kinda does look like rachael, huh?

>tfw u will never b decker and have ufufu come and shoot someone who is tryna kill u

>tfw u will never tell ufufu that her life is all a lie and that all her memories are just manufactured bullshit
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>>6407742
your not trans sir
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>>6407757
idk if I ever really repressed at that age, in fact I can't really remember wanting to be a girl until around 12 years old
I may have bullied one or two people though, I'm not exactly sure but if I ever insulted someone and hurt them I hated myself for it
>>
>tfw ur a boy

;_;
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>>6407770
Everyone here is
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>>6407774
i don't want to be a boy
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>>6407766
dont bully kayla
she is just stupid sometimes
she is most certainly trans and she is pretty, she has a nice body and a nice voice
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>>6407690
I used to run to school so I didn't have to ride the bus. That naturally led into crosscountry because my parents required bot me and my brother to do sports in HS.

>>6407712
Alcohol, and later heroin, made me social. o.O I figured out the alcohol thing quite young. Maybe 12yo.

>>6407722
iktf
Looking back I see the first signs of PTSD somewhere from first to third grade. I know because of the playground where the memory comes from. I was heavily harassed all the way through freshman in HS. There was some decrease when I started taking home 10k race wins. Then I got beat up very badly after taking the county 10k race win when the soccer team didn't win that year.
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>>6407742
kayla, you're a retard.

see you here same time tomorrow
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>>6407755
>video games are art

>mfw
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>>6407752
I mean I have to stick up for edie bc she's my friend but I don't have anything against you and we have a shared history anyway. Ya we have to hang out when I move back down the coast
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>>6407787
>videogames aren't art
>mfw
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>>6407789
those are venomous
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>>6407798
yes
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>>6407787
its a joke u ding dong

i like video games a lot but they're mostly just enjoyable pop culture experiences that are in no way on the same level as film or books or art

tho some can be really excellent and tell powerful stories etc.
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>>6407767
Idk, I don't think I ever registered it as wanting to be a girl, but I do actually remember actively rejecting any and all things girly, esp the stuff that I'd been doing when I was younger. It didn't seem like repression, just doing what was expected of me because I was obviously a boy, and boys don't prance around in girl's clothes.
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>>6407793

Videogames contribute nothing to our culture or to the marketplace of ideas and are only distractions from the consumption of provocative/evocative culture
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>>6407787
The medium is still young and limited by it's stereotyped demographic. There are some great stories told via vidya but mostly it's just mass produced timesinks. You are part of the problem.
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>>6407759
>the data will be virtually saved to be accessed in the future for whenever
yeah, tell that to the DMCA
and what do you mean "playing it later"? It's not like they're launching it for PC or something.

>>6407755
I still kinda wanna get an xbone for ReCore, but if that's _all_ I'm getting it for, I'm making a mistake

>>6407757
I still have a scar on my shin from where he would kick me on a daily basis. I don't even remember it being immediately bullying though, I just remember it escalating back and forth, getting out of hand. Eventually, I was stressed out both at home and at school to the point where I just got fed up with it all and threw flour in his eyes at lunch.
sent to therapist
diagnosed with adhd
med addiction
developed a dependency problem
dysphoria got overwhelming
almost killed myself
now I'm here

>>6407787
>>6407807
what are you gonna say next, books, music and movies aren't art?
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>>6407801
>tho some can be really excellent and tell powerful stories etc.

>not reading a book or watching a good movie/show instead
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>>6407810
video games are abundant and easy to emulate. toys however, don't last forever...
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>>6407809
if you're trying to turn this into a "people didn't think photography was art" argument, you are not going to win it
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>>6407806
>but I do actually remember actively rejecting any and all things girly
fuckk, this brought back cringe worthy memories ;_;
I used to love the Powerpuff Girls, then I decided it was too girly and I shouldn't watch it ;~;
There are other even more cringey memories too, why did I do these things?
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>>6407812

> not having an open mind about all forms of expression through media

> not recognizing the potential in an interactive and complex format
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>>6407777
Well said, and quad 7s.

>>6407787
Is photography art? It all depends on the intent and reason for making it. It's an old question.
>>6407816
Agreed!!!!

>>6407801
>tho some can be really excellent and tell powerful stories etc.
and those are art. Video games have their own artistic styles.
>>
Dude i feel so ugly
Whats up
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>>6407819
i did this too and then i thought i was just an AGP because i did this.

but i was just Repression: The Real Life Experience brought to you by Roy Blanchard & Harry Benjamin
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>>6407812
back when motion pictures were a new thing cynical cunts had the same attitude
there are hundreds of games that are more worthy of the title of being art than the average hollyshit movie or crappy television ever will be.
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>>6407787
idk there are a lot of great games even if i dont really play anything anymore. ive cried a lot playing games.
>>6407788
yeah i get it. and okay maybe. i think i could try that. i dont really ever hang out with people so i'll be nervous..
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>>6407807
>Videogames contribute nothing to our culture
wrong

>or to the marketplace of ideas
wrong

>and are only distractions
wrong

>from the consumption of provocative/evocative culture
but all culture is consumption
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>>6407454
Is it wrong that I have a saved pic of Kayla's ass?
>>
So, is camming art? And if it's not, is it right to call Sophie Calle an artist?
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>>6407738
>Teriyaki
Why would you name yourself after a sauce?
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>>6407789
>>6407796
>>6407799
>>6407804
>>6407808
>>6407814
>>6407831
am i doing a good job
>>6407835
idk kind of weird i guess
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>>6407829
Videogames are all made with the end-user in mind. 20 year old angry lonely white neckbeards.

Any culture produced with that demographic in mind is going to be hot garbage
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>>6407836
porn isn't art
>>
what is art
>>
>>6407812
i love good books and good movies and shows

i also like video games

im sorry this is me rachel ACCEPT IT

>>6407809
video games have been around for at least ~40 years
at this point in film's history citizen kane had been made

>>6407821
i disagree but ok

>>6407836
performance art is art
sophie calle is an artist
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>>6407838
Tits or GTFO!
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>>6407819
Same, Sailor Moon was mine. I mean it makes sense, and it made sense at the time. Even a kid has some sense of what is acceptable gender appropriate behaviour and what was not. Repression starts early.

>>6407810
>kicking chin
Fuck ;_;
I'm sorry that happened to you. You're here now though at least.

>>6407841
Porn can be art
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>>6407838
i like the animal photos. keep going pls.

>>6407835
its weird that you're saving any pictures but at least kayla is cute
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>>6407841
nah
>>
Is Rachel one of the least likeable people here? She's only just started posting a few days ago and I already can't stand this cunt. I've very rarely seen such a self absorbed vapid personality. I wish she would fuck off and never come back.
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I made a cock out of wood in minecraft and lit it on fire once. That's art.
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>video games are(n't) art
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>>6407851
the only thing that is art are cave paintings
anyone who disagrees is a pleb
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>>6407843
>video games have been around for at least ~40 years
>at this point in film's history citizen kane had been made

FUCKIN REKT.

Art Lovers - 1
Neckbeard Autists - 0

>sophie calle is an artist
clappinghands.jpeg
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Where can I find a crybaby femboy bf to stick my gt in? Any in this thread?
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>>6407778
now THATS hugboxing
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>>6407840
Paintings are all made with the end-user in mind. 50 year old angry lonely white neckbeards.
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>>6407852
she's just misunderstood desu

>She's only just started posting a few days ago
kek
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>>6407852
She's cute
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>>6407852
you do realize that i love it when people post things like this, right? you do realize that i love your tears, no?

>She's only just started posting a few days ago
I'm Jennifer/Anteater I just changed the trip, dummy.
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>>6407860
but the last of us was made
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>tfw you've reached peak pretentiousness
>>6407822
>Dude i feel so ugly
same.
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>>6407866
Whatever dude ur new too DWEEB
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>>6407854
No one cares Elanna, why dont you go light up some more drugs you whore.
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>>6407866
>misunderstood
>constantly shits on everyone here
>hates trannies
>is a bitch 100% of the time
>literally constantly starting drama and picking fights
>misunderstood

yeah ok
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>>6407846
yeah, it got worse over time until maybe like 2 years ago I started accepting I was trans
I've been trying to act more feminine but still, I feel like I shouldn't be.
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>>6407873
your not ugly
>>
>tfw no one has talked to you in 2 days
Isolation is hell
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>>6407854
it is art, you are correct
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>>6407868
That literally has absolutely nothing to do with anything a person's looks has no bearing on their behavior.
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>>6407843
the first movie ever made (no audio) was made in 1889
so what movie from 1929 would you consider art?
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>>6407879
You can be trans and not act stereotypically feminine, you know. Just be who you want to be.
>>
>>6407881
add me on skype, we can be friends
rachel.lindstromm
>>
>>6407885
I like cute things tho
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>>6407852
she seems okay desu
>>6407862
yeah hey
>>6407881
hi amy. sorry for all thats going on in your life rn. it'll get better somehow.
>>
>tfw have to IP cycle your phone 3 times because of dumbshit Mexicans getting banned on their phones

>>6407843
>ufufu likes vidya
MARRY ME
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>Inb4 ban
Goodnight everyone, I leave you with ass
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>>6407886
>literally not knowing who DW Griffith is

laughinggirls.tiff
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>>6407809
games that are not art:
>assassin's creed
>actually, fuck it, anything produced by Ubisoft except rayman games that don't have rabbids, splinter cell and farcry blood dragon
>literally anything produced by EA at this point
>any competitive FPS
>any moba
>forza

>>6407812
Like, have you never heard of Life is Strange? Or the Stanley Parable? Limbo? Super Metroid?

>>6407815
we legitimately don't even have Xbox 360 or PS3 emulators yet, and we're moving onto the next console cycle.
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>>6407894
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>>6407860
i mean honestly tho i feel like there's untapped potential in video games/interactive media as far as artistic expression goes, it just has to be done in the right way

jon rafman did a piece last? year that he ran out of a hotel room, where people would schedule appointments to come in and experience this vr thing he had set up with an occulus rift

idk

>>6407886
un chien andalou

some others made before that would be metropolis (1927) and the cabinet of dr. caligari (1920)

>>6407873
dfw sux!!!!
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>>6407877
Well MAYBE I WILL

>>6407860
Citizen Kane sucks, they didn't even shoot it in 3D

>>6407879
Honestly, just be the person you want to be. Transitioning to be feminine is risky, because maybe you're not actually stereotypically feminine, or it may not feel natural. It's worse to end up in a scenario where you've transitioned to a person that isn't authentic.
>>
>>6407886
Pandora's Box, obviously. If that's not artsy-fartsy enough, one year off, but Buñuel's l'Âge d'Or definitely qualifies. And you have earlier examples. Some of Méliès's films...
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>>6407894
woah
>>6407822
but you shouldnt!
>>6407808
tfw no minipig
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>>6407894
idk how to feel about this
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>>6407898
and there are dozens of examples of games I would consider art
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>>6407852
I'm with you. >>6407868
>>6407892
have a short memory, she was shitting up the thread arguing with everyone a few hours ago.
>>
>>6407907
give me some and tell me why
im genuinely interested tbqh because i used to wholeheartedly believe in the stuff im arguing against right now but then i went to art school
>>
>>6407894
kayla i don't want to see that
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>>6407907
Custer's Revenge?
>>
>>6407892
>tfw I just want to be in the psych ward already
>tfw I just want my diagnoses already
>tfw I just want my disabilities already
>tfw I just want to move in with friends and have a normalize life again.
>tfw I just want someone to cuddle with each night to sleep
Waiting sucks, and it's all I can ever do
>>
>>6407893
Always blame the Mexicans
>>
>>6407843
What about the story in the game play? The choice of style of imagery? The choice imagery used? How is different from a movie?

>>6407852
Give her time, she may improve.

>>6407864
lol

>>6407882
I'd say it was a gender/political statement.

this >>6407887
>>
friday night ass posting
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>>6407898
>dfw sux

i mean, he sucks as a human. infinite jest is an amazing book though.

btw, i bought Nevada but i'm afraid to read it because i don't want it to leak into the narrative for the book im writing. (especially since it got mixed reviews)

i want my book to be pure of all "transgender" influence.
>>
>>6407880
i am tho. objectively.
>>6407898
but, i'm a 19 year old with memepression, i'm sorta obligated to love his work. i like him from what i've read, but i'm only partially done rn, so it's not a solid like onion of him. his essays are good tho.
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>>6407887
I don't wanna be stereotypical feminine, but I wanna act more feminine, it just feels weird to do so

>>6407901
I just feel awkward acting feminine because it's a relatively new thing and I've not done it for ages
I'm hoping with transition I can at least feel more like a human being and not some shell
>>
>>6407918
objectively qt
>>
>>6407916
wew/wew
>>
>>6407916
>not having the courtesy to hide your balls and penis

i really hate this trend in tranny ass photos
>>
>>6407917
Nevada is actually not a great book from an artistic perspective even if it's nice to read something that speaks to ur transness. In fact the only trans media I've consumed that was any good was tangerine. Boy meets girl sucked too
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>>6407918
partially done with infinite jest*
>>6407921
"no"
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>>6407454
BUT I HAVE A PENIS
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>>6407924
no gives a fuck dude
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>>6407898
I think VR is going to push an entire new medium within traditional art

>>6407819
you too?

>>6407882
I guess the question is, "what is art?"
because you could easily just consider that a phallic obsession mixed with pyromania
>>
>>6407928
'yes'
>>
>>6407924
I'll do better next time!
>>
Playing Overwatch with people from here was a refreshing distraction
I'm super sleepy now tho
>>
>>6407925
Thought Tangerine was brilliant. I can't even pinpoint where I was drawn in and away from the whole "shot on iphone" concept but it happened and was really beautiful/sad/fun
>>
>>6407924
What about tranny ass feature films?
>>
i beat vordt in dark souls 3 i feel accomplished now that high wall of lorethric is all the way best :3
>>
>>6407454
Didd
>>
should i watch tangerine right now
>>
>>6407946
Yes
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>>6407925
i mean, when ufufu mentioned that it came out years ago, i sort of figured this was the reason why i had never heard about it until this year

its okay guys, i'll write a book with trans characters that's not about being trans at all. (but at the same time is but it'll be so subtle you won't care eventually)
>>
HELLOOOOOOO
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>>6407816
I don't think I mentioned photography anywhere. If I were to use an analogue I'd use movies. Surely you wouldn't discredit film as a medium just because transformers movies or those horribly generic romantic comedies are a thing.

>>6407843
>video games have been around for at least ~40 years
>at this point in film's history citizen kane had been made
Film is also a very different medium, what applies to one thing doesn't apply to another. How do you write an interactive story where the person you're trying to tell the story to has some agency over the actions while still retaining the same degree of pacing and shit that you can have in an entirely scripted sequence of events like a movie, a play or even a book? Just because people haven't figured out how to make it work yet but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Scripts have been around for like millenia and now you gotta break the form surely it's going to take some time.

Another problem is the market forces driving majority of the money into the equivalent of transformers movies.

>>6407896
>games that are not art
There's a lot of art surrounding the games tho and you could argue that the beautifully crafted more or less interactive worlds are sort of art, even if the gameplay has nothing to do with that part of the experience. There are some games that I absolutely adore for their aesthetics even though I don't particularly enjoy the gameplay like Warframe.
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>>6407946
prepare to have fun and be sad at the same time.

or triggered. depending on what kind of person you are.
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>>6407951
PUREST FORM OF LOVE
>>
>>6407952
Yesssss that's exactly the problem with Nevada. It has no subtlety
>>
how can I find men? I'm soooo horny.
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>>6407936
>tfw not invited to grace's overwatch party
it's like high school all over again ;___;
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>>6407920
It should honestly do that much. Idk, I see transition as effectively shedding a false identity and starting fresh, it gives you a chance to reexplore yourself and grow within the correct framework. Idk, after I transitioned I didn't shoot for traditionally feminine because it felt inauthentic, so I shot for simple utilitarian clothes, and never did anything about my mannerisms. Over time I've grown into a more femme presentation, and it feels like it finally fits these days.

>>6407932
Something is art if the creator says it's art. It's how you can allow for weird retarded shit like dadaism. A urinal hanging upside down is art if the creator is pretentious enough to claim it is.
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>>6407962
Have you tried looking in the mirror?
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>>6407964
dadaism was just turn of the century vaporwave

or the other way around i suppose
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>>6407909
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_games_as_an_art_form#List_of_artistic_video_games
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>>6407966
#rekt
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>>6407972
>wikipedia
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>>6407902
I should know shit like this, but my memories are so full of holes and errors. I studied old films.

>>6407909
I didn't get traditional art schooling. My art history and philosophy came from reading and discussions with other artists. I think the intent of the creator(s) maybe weighs more than what it looks like in the end.

>>6407953
Hi! Hi!

>>6407964
Yes, art in in the intent.
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>>6407964
I don't wanna become traditional feminine, like I do definitely have some traits that wouldn't be regarded as girly
>and never did anything about my mannerisms
So did they never change or did they change naturally, I need my mannerisms to be more fem to pass
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>he was home

>everything was going so good

>he had his knuckles between my legs

>im frothing at the mouth

>not yet one

THE FUCKING CAT

it was the fucking gat

>got under his toes whilst he was rearrranging me on the bed

>sends him tumbling into the blinds with the fuck-me-fun-shattering sound of the window

ha

haHA

fuck you too god
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>>6407953
hey
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>>6407951
Purest form of love

Also started hrt and it's fucking amazing

Pic related it's how my roommate reacted to finding the pills
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Please shut up about what is art since all of u are completely uneducated on the contemporary debate or at least read something first before continuing

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conceptual-art/#DefArt
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>>6407979
i just took a valium and i feel fine and dandy
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>>6407963
Do I have your bnet? I'll invite you next time <3
>>6407978
WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A SOURCE
WIKIPEDIA LIES
ITS ALL LIES
DONT GO ON WIKIPEDIA
#lessonsfromhighschool
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>>6407984
hi sheen i did drugs
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here are my thoughts on 'video games as art' and i'm going to stop after i post this

there's no definition of what art is; it's become so nebulous in a contemporary setting

personally, and this is me: im interested in the context a work was created in and the intent of the work. does something take into account contemporary thought or attempt to tackle issues in a real way? the games that people often point to as being 'art' are games that try to tell a story with human themes. well, so do all kinds of shitty books and movies, so how are you going about expressing those themes? is it saying anything new or interesting?

it's easy to tell a sad story, but it's much harder to grapple with the complexity of existence in a video game. it's incredibly disingenuous to try to classify particular video games as art just because they evoke emotions in the player. at their core, most of them are just cheap melodramas.

i am very interested in video games as a medium and i have always been a video game fan. i just can't, at this point in time, say that the medium has any real artistic merit.
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>>6407972
>Portal
>Art form
It was just a fucking puzzle game. Didn't even have interesting scenery or narrative.
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>>6407912
>psych ward
iktf. have been.
its good youre making plans though. i feel like thats whats also helping me. lifes really difficult and then you realize its the only one you'll ever have, maybe. also lonely!
>>6407908
oh idk
>>6407925
tangerine. what is this?
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>>6407991
D:
wat else tho
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>>6408001
im falling into sleep land
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>>6407989
Wikipedia isn't lies. But for an article like "artistic video games" there is inherent bias because the people curating that article are going to need to have an interest in video games. And one with an interest in video games would be more inclined to considered their interest within the real of "art"


THIS is why wikipedia can be a garbage source.

>TL;DR: think critically, losers
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>>6407995
so much this.
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>>6407954
What's your opinion of Mirror's Edge?
I thought the aesthetics and gameplay were fantastic, even if the story was dull.

>>6407964
so it's just the intent behind it that determines it's artistry, rather than the quality of the thing itself?

>>6407978
>wikipedia
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>>6408008
why didn't you respond
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>>6407988
Is it helping?

I started buspirone on Thursday. Don't know how well it's working yet. It takes sometime to build up in the system.
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>>6407969
Regardless, dadaism is an artistic movement, and the point stands that art is in the creator's intention. As such, the vast majority of games that people claim are art, are not in fact art. The vast majority of films are not art either.

However, video games as art do exist. Some of them are pretentious and stuck up their own ass. Others, such as Journey, actually achieved some measure of mainstream success.

>>6407980
Idk, my mannerisms were never very masculine, so I actually didn't really have to do anything to them to pass. The very few masculine mannerisms that I had were not strong, and pretty quickly went away after fultime.

However, this isn't good advice. Change the mannerisms that you feel hurt your passing, it likely will help. I just didn't have enough of them to see it as worth changing parts of who I was.

>>6408014
Yes, exactly. Something can be art because the creator intended it to be art, but also be really bad art. There's museums dedicated to bad art.
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Videogames share a similarity to movies in that more often than not they are product first, art second.
It is very hard to come up with something pure art when you have to get some return on the investment.
You'd first have to define art and then decide which games are able to fit that definition
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>>6408025
<3 British food
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anyways, all that being said

IM SO EXCITED FOR NIER AAAAAHHH
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>>6408025
>tfw had to search all over san francisco to find heinz beans for my full british breakfast
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>>6408023
My mannerisms just make me come off as depressed, I mean I've honestly being trying to act more feminine but I get scared if I over do it people will insult me, so I just have a kinda masc/depressed looking demeanor
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>>6408005
yeh me too, but because I've been getting no sleep for the past 32 years
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>>6407995
This. No video game has impacted the world, no video game has spawned an original visual movement, no video game has spawned a new way of looking at the world. Video games are less detailed in narrative than Harry Potter and Harry Potter certainly wasn't an artistic triumph. However it was art for anything can be art therefore video games are art but not good art. So what you say is spot on, it doesn't have any artistic merit.
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>>6408027
>>6408032
You're both terrible "women" if you actually like that
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Just realized how turnt y'all get on hormones

y'all are wound tighter than a fuckin harp
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>>6407894
blueboard >~<
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>>6408039
Fuck you don't talk shit about baked beans
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>>6408031
is nier art?
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>>6408039
>not liking British food

What are you a man?
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>>6408033
Try feminine depressed, then...

http://fr.musicplayon.com/play-touch?v=259415
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damn, it's a friday night and I'm alone. How pathetic


>>6408041
I love injecting them!!
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>>6407989
>Do I have your bnet?
Yes ;_;
It's okay tho I was busy anyways.
>DONT GO ON WIKIPEDIA
>#lessonsfromhighschool
Our teachers always told us that they'd check that we didn't copy presentations 'n such straight from wikipedia and people did it every time anyways, sometimes not even removing the little brackets with source notations yet they still somehow got passing grades.

>>6407995
They certainly are no films in the "saying anything new or interesting" department, not even close and I don't see anyone arguing with that. I do think they got a lot of merit already in the visual arts department even if they're lacking in a lot of other aspects.

I think people in general try to force vidya to fulfill the role of film in storytelling even though an interactive medium is not really that well equipped to tell a traditional scripted story.

>>6408014
I never actually played that but the artstyle was great.
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>>6408046
nope
this concept art is nice looking though
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>>6408018
i only take it recreationally when i wanna sleep real good and i've not been sleeping good all week since my not-gf has been out of town

>>6408035
;-;
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>>6408039
>not mixing your bubble&squeak with heinz beans

ISHYGDDT
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>>6408023
So then why do people deem games created in the name of art, not art? I dun get it.

>>6408015
it makes your argument seem more sound when you pretend strong arguments don't exist

>>6408026
>Videogames share a similarity to movies in that more often than not they are product first, art second.
often.
The Beginner's Guide is a little different, because it was created to make a statement about the creative type and their interactions with inspiration, publicity and commissions.
It's a walking simulator btw, and I highly recommend it.
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>>6408049
idk how to look like that
depressed just looks the same to me
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>>6408025
>tfw the only baked beans my grocery stores carry are sweet and gross
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>>6408041
Nah, I'm cool, calm, collected.
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>>6408059
what about the ham beans?
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>>6408046
maybe. its really good. between the text chapter, the sadness, the dickgirl, boss fights..id say its art.
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>>6408054
oh so it ceases to be art once you're able to interact with it
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>>6408060
All these photos on 4chan, don't you worry about the neckbeards doxxing you?
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>>6408068
Which would make a decent part of contemporary theater not art...
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>>6408033
The clear solution to this is to transition and then see what you actually act like when you're less depressed and not subject to social expectations of males. You may not actually have that many masculine mannerisms.

>>6408059
Heinz British Style
Top tier beaaaans

>>6408057
People are stuck in old ways of thinking. If someone creates an interactive piece for the sake of being art, and calls it art, then it is by definition art. However, I do honestly feel that most games aren't art, and most video game narratives shallow and simplistic. That's what sells though.
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>>6408072
oh no you see
only videogames cant be art
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>>6408068
i didnt say that
where did i say anything about interactivity making games not art

you dont see me calling into question the artistic merit of early interactive performance pieces do you
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>>6408073
I don't think I have many masculine mannerisms, I think I'm more in a neutral zone atm.
Like if I compared myself to my guy friends, I'm not very masculine
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>>6408080
well where does concept art stop being art once its implemented into a game?
after all games cannot be art
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>>6408073
>most video game narratives shallow and simplistic
That applies to most books, films and tv too dunnit? Hell, it even applies to the mongolian quilt weavings that I steal all these pictures off of.
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>>6408071
So what, they'll burn an alias of mine or two? I can build another one...
There are a few people here who could actually dox me. They're not neckbeards and I trust they won't.
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>>6408080
>posting Imponderabilia
I love you ufufu
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art is when stuff asplodes
or when stuff endures

or when (or when-not) stuff (or the lack of stuff) is recognized (or significantly [or insignificantly] un-recognized) as art (or not-art)
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>>6408080
>tfw back arcs like the mans and not the womans
where can a nigga get a helium tank for cheap, /mtfg/?
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>>6408080
grade-a post right here
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>>6408073
>>6408041
>>6408026
>>6408015
>>6408089
>>6408080

Was John Cage's 4'33" art?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEFKFiXSx4
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>>6408097
Get a chiropractor

And helium suicide doesn't work anymore, you'll just get brain damage unless your tank is at least 100 years old.
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>>6408088
i realize that people on your side of the argument want hard and fast lines as far as what we can consider 'art' is concerned but i dont have those, sorry.

>>6408093
it's a good piece
as far as interaction as performance is concerned i also really like cut

>>6408097
o hi booger!

>>6408098
lol ty~

>>6408100
yes
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>>6408100
Only if you play it on a diatonic accordion, quite obviously.
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>>6408073
most movies are pretty shallow too. I'd say there's a clear division between competitive multiplayer games and the artistic medium though.
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>>6408100
>palm desert

hey, i lived there for a hot second
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>>6408089
Yes, but I also think that most books, films and tv aren't art either. Most books, film, tv and video games are made to entertain. They tell stories that are primarily made to build tension, release, and create emotional responses in their viewers. There's craftsmanship that goes into this, and it takes a lot of talent to make a good book, tv show, movie or game. However they were not created as art. They were not intended to be art. Their function is to entertain.

>>6408100
Yes, it's art. It was created with the express intention of pushing the boundaries of what's considered music.

>>6408086
You're honestly probably ok then. Neutral will generally get gendered female.
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>>6408097
wait
I thought you were detransitioned?
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>mfw someone said I'd look like a girl if I wore lipstick
>mfw first day of E
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>>6408116
I've been gendered female once (at least when walking) and I wasn't even trying to look like a girl, so I guess maybe you're right.
I just need HRT and work on my appearance and hopefully I can pass
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>>6408104
hi ufufu, long time no see.
i agree that video games aren't art.
maybe one day they could be, but video games have always been about finance and marketing.
i think, for something to truly be art, it has to come from the heart and not from the rubbing of fingers or the greasing of palms. ;_;

>>6408102
i'll look into it. thank you, anon.

>>6408118
i did, but i still want to be fem. im like those guys you bully on femgen...
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>>6407903
Cornflakes! Hi!
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>>6408129
>those guys you bully on femgen
oh I thought you wanted to go full man mode
are you on hrt like all those repressed cases in femgen?
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>>6408129
i met simon hanselmann and htmlflowers
they invited me to go drinking with them but i didnt go
i wanted to tell him i really liked booger as a character but i was too nervous :s
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>>6408129
H-hi
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>>6408105
a what?

>>6408116
>Yes, but I also think that most books, ...
I'd like to say that certain games, films, books, and musical works are artistic, but I see what you mean about entertainment vs art.
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>>6407903
Cornflakes hey!!! How are you??
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How come every cute tranny goes "oohhh I'm a femboy now plz no bully?"
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how to get neet bucks?
asking for a friend
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who wants to fucking kill me
I went to the lgbt thing and the first part was fine but everyone just started talking to eachother and they got along well and I just didn't talk and I'm pretty sure no one liked me and I just sat in the corner and ending up crying my way home
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>>6408119
>2016
>wearing lipstick
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>>6408151
be black
collect welfare
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>>6408131
y-yes i am...
i don't think i could ever go full masc and quit the est.
i just get really anxious off hrt. and i really enjoy the side effects minus the tits.

>>6408132
oh wow that's insane. ;_; were they cool?
they seem cool. simon needs to make more mm&o so i can support him.
>tfw never live in new york and do cool things with hip artists ;_;
youre so lucky ahhhhhhhhhhh
i dont blame you for getting nervous. i probably would have puked.

>>6408138
hi oddish. i watched boogiepop phantom. its one of my favorite anime. i really like the themes and the artstyle. the vignette really adds to those subjects of mental illness and despair.

>>6408150
;_; i wasnt cute. it was just angles.
i couldnt handle the pressure.
im not strong. im really really weak.
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>>6408150
I think with Red it's dysphoria about height and mental issues. Still qt tho.
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>>6408150
because they're pussies

>>6408151
you have to get doctors to diagnose you with a disability and write you a letter or some shit, then you wait forever to get approved and then you need to live on like 1200 a month with no job because once you get a job they take away your neetbux

this is why a lot of trannies on 4chan do neetbux+camwhore
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>>6408157
>tfw whiter than copy paper
shiiiiiieeeeeetttt
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>>6408151
http://imgur.com/a/OyOid
here you go
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>>6408162
Sorry, only negroes can get on welfare :D
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>>6408152
Oh, sweetheart, that's too bad. It's hard to open up at first, but you're surely going to get another chance.

When does the group meet next?
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>>6408116
>They were not intended to be art. Their function is to entertain.
I don't think those two are mutually exclusive, which is where I guess our thinking differs ^^
Like I can appreciate the cinematography of The Revenant even though I wasn't exactly moved by it's story and I can appreciate the story of Whiplash without being super into the music they were playing. They all got their artistic merits in various aspects to me and even the visuals or sounds can be a powerful experience like a great story is. In a similar way I can appreciate the art and aesthetics of Warframe even though that's it's only redeeming quality.
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>>6407601
>tfw straight gin is my go-to drink when I want to get drunk fast, or gin and tonic if I'm taking my time.
I swear, I'm not trying to be a stereotype!
>>
who is birdy's gf? sincerely want to know
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>>6408143
I mean, it's possible to both entertain and be art at the same time, but it's a difficult balance to strike, and it gets a little shaky when the goal becomes to satisfy an audience and make a profit rather than maintaining an artistic vision. That's why there's no real clear divide between what is and isn't art, there's a massive grey area, although there's plenty of clear examples of things that are obviously art and things that are obviously not.

>>6408171
See above I guess. I don't really think the two are mutually exclusive, but intention lies in if the creator is more true to their vision or to marketability.
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>>6408170
idk theres no regular thing but i think next motnth
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I was thinking about getting an arm tatoo to stop my self harm
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>>6408164
>>6408161
ty for your help, my friend really appreciates it
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>>6408100
yes but only as meta, but also yes generally because meta art retroactively becomes regular art
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>>6408182
What would you get?
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This whole thing is stupid but some popular games that I consider art:
Ff6,ff7,ff9,earthbound series, chrono trigger,nier..uuuh..Mario paint
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>>6408182
Oh hey pretty cool. Any ideas? I wanted space/ocean. Idk if that's common
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>>6408164
wait, is this legit? Can I actually get SSI for major depression?

>>6408161
will they take away my neetbux if I'm in school?

>>6408187
I think I understand.
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>>6408178
Couldn't building a world be considered art too? So would games like the Elder Scrolls and other similar titles be considered works of art?
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>>6408055
I'd wanted to get on a anti-anxiety drug for ages, but couldn't remember to talk about it with my GP doc. Finally went to a shrink for getting onto disability, and also had him prescribe the anti-depressant too.

>>6408132
I've jumped on those opportunities. Ended up knowing a number of authors, and becoming friends with an editor of a magazine. My meeting the authors got some of my traits used for three different important characters in books that I know about.
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>>6408195
Maybe idk
If you can convince them that you're a total fuckup that can't survive on your own it might work
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>>6408194
Uhm would flowery viney thingy be too girly >.>
>>6408188
Probably pic related, but with bubbles :p
>>
So, I sucked my trans girl friend's dick. She's pre hrt and I'm only 2 months into hrt. She was insecure about why I liked her and I explained to her I liked her sweet personality in her male wrapping.

It went on for... maybe 3 minutes? I thought she was close to cumming but she made me stop. Apparently it got too "real" for her and she didn't like all the focus on her dick.

I feel kind of like an asshole but there was a lot of mutual kissing and cuddling beforehand and she gave me a hickey so I don't know. We talked for like 3 hours afterwards about that and everything so we left on good terms but I kind of feel like shit for doing it.

I explained to her my theory that sexuality and genders are just messy for us in our life right now and that I just wanted to do it because I wanted to and not to worry about what she said in the moment or that she wanted it or whatever.

But I still feel like I took advantage of her because while I liked her sweet personality I was also attracted to her male trappings.
I'm an awful person for taking advantage of a vulnerable friend, right?
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>>6408158
I'm actually really overjoyed that you watched one of my favorite anime...how are you?
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>>6408182
i want something like this desu

>>6408199
yeah i realized after i left that it couldve been one of those opportunities. but i also realized that im just not the outgoing person that i'd like to be, and that that's also alright.

>>6408158
yeh!! it was pretty dope. there was a whole event thing at my job and i hung out with them. they gave me some of the grey goose they were drinking LMAO

i asked simon what he thought about people turning particular panels into memes and he was like "i love it! meme me up!" and i still think thats like the funniest thing

they were really awesome tho yah.
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>>6408202
Heck no that sounds qt af faye. I might steal ur idea even.
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>>6408130
hi bb
>>6408148
im pretty good! how about you?
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>>6408195
>SSI
scuba schools international?
I think it'd actually be easier to get in WITHOUT major depression honestly
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I always liked bird silhouettes too, but I think it might be very basic bitch
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>>6408176
>tfw no birdy bf
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>>6408178
>if the creator is more true to their vision or to marketability
With large projects like movies or vidya it's basically always a compromise between the two.

>>6408203
>I'm an awful person
You clearly feel bad about it and you didn't do it with malicious intent so I don't think you are based on what I see here.
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>>6408212
I'm okay!! Lots of changes recently.. new job.. no gf. I'm doing well for the most part. Almost at 8 months hrt now.>>6408214
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>>6408200
>tranny
>suicidal
>almost killed myself because I was dedicating my entire day to working for 3 months
>legitimately can't handle the pressure of a fulltime job without becoming too exhausted to work
>about as stable as a seesaw
>dependency issues
>abandonment issues
>trust issues
I mean, I think that makes me a total fuckup.

>>6408213
I-I mean they might let me in if I'm good enough at... whatever it is they want me to be good at...
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>>6408195
>Can I actually get SSI for major depression?
If it's untreatable, yes. Maybe a bit hard because most forms are treatable.
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>>6408214
Oops on mobile and messed up. I was going to say, you do you faye
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>>6408219
>You clearly feel bad about it and you didn't do it with malicious intent so I don't think you are based on what I see here.
Yeah, good point. Thanks, I needed that reminder.
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>>6408227
>on antidepressants
>they're partially stabilizing me
fuck me
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>>6408196
Building a large interactive virtual world in the style of a bethesda game could -arguably- be considered a form of Realism, although I would argue that the depiction of a large virtual world in such a game is not the primary purpose of the work.

>>6408219
In film, this compromise isn't always present though. Films made by auteurs are generally pretty true to what the filmmaker wants. Some of them are also borderline unmarketable, but generally the frequently cited large films that are considered "art" are the ones where the filmmaker maintained a strong control over all aspects of production.
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>>6408210
Wow both of those tats are horrible.
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what is wrong with me
ive never been properly happy in the past five years
whenever i see people my immediate first thought is that they wont like me and i would never get a long with them
i dont know what i want to do
i dont know if anythings going to get any better
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>>6408238
You have to realize that it probably won't get any better and take steps to correct the unfortunate situation you are in.
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>>6408210
I want a full sleeve tattoo
on my left arm when I lose weight
I want to get this
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>>6408232
Seems to be a pretty important aspect of the game tho, I mean I consider games like Dishonored to forms of art but what do I know I guess
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I'm probably gonna go to bed. I'm exhausted and always wake up depressed.

Gnight!!
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>>6408242
im taking what steps i can
i still dont think anything will change afterwards
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>>6408232
>Some of them are also borderline unmarketable, but generally the frequently cited large films that are considered "art" are the ones where the filmmaker maintained a strong control over all aspects of production.
Yeah that's basically what the indie game scene can aspire to be some day. It's pretty much brand new because there were little viable ways to create or market games with such small budget while still having good enough tools to fulfill a vision before. Hopefully this medium goes to places some day and we'll all be richer for it.
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>>6408244
haha aw sheen its perfect for you <3

>>6408238
/pet
i understand :( and its hard... but it is doable to come back from this place in your life.
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>>6408206
i;ve never been better.
well... idk sometimes i still get down about like body stuff... but besides that i'm great.
and yeah ive actually watched a lot of anime lately. ;_; got into animebytes so been hitting the medium pretty hard.
favorites are:
>texhnolyze
>haibane renmei
>serial experiments lain
>boogiepop phantom
>legend of the galactic heroes
>gankutsuou
>casshern sins
lots of stuff. ;_;

>>6408210
that's crazy. what do you do for work? art stuff?
also kek at "meme me up".
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>>6408247
That's what I am talking about. Stop being such a depressive defeatist.
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>>6408251
>haha aw sheen its perfect for you <3
yeh
also I want to get a tattoo for my mum and one for my siblings and a frangipani and I dont know what else
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>>6408206
ayyy i have to go. feel free to hit me up on skype. im usually unavailable but if you message me i will get to you asap. we can catch up and i can hear about how youre doing and stuff. ;_; toss a few film recs around maybe.
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hey nerds can I shitpost in here
I'm lonely
love y'all~
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>>6408263
>>6408264
why is there so many boys in the thread rn
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>>6408264
>can I shitpost in here
NO

HIGH QUALITY POSTING ONLY
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>>6408249
Yeah, I think the place where games as art actually will flourish will be in the indie scene. Hell there have already been some pretty impressive examples of what indie developers are capable of doing when wanting to express their artistic visions. Like, the game that just keeps coming to mind when we're talking auteurs is Fez. Then there's games like Journey, The Path, Thomas Was Alone. Idk, I think as a medium it does have potential and there have been at least a few examples of games as art that have emerged over the last decade or so. However, I hesitate to call anything released by a large studio art, at least so far.

>>6408246
Goodnight!

>>6408245
It's a difference of opinion really, I think the difference lies in how we approach the world as an artistic piece. I guess I see the art asset that comprises the world as a piece of realist art. The interactive experience of an open world game doesn't feel like art to me though.
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>>6408264
Did you do anything special to go from mtf to andro? I'm probably going to take estrogen eventually to get a more fem look, but I don't want to look like a goon.
>>
>>6408271
makeup
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>>6408151
This is why I despise trannies, so few of you actually have a work ethic.
I can't wait for normies to wake up to the disgusting abuse of our welfare system and start voting it out.
>>
>>6408270
I consider more the design of the game to be art, the interactivity is there to make it fun and enjoyable
Some games are truly beautiful in design
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>>6408251
pls dont get a tattoo they are unclean
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>>6408281
she already has a tattoo
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>guy wants to do stuff with me tomorrow
>lets me know at 1 am he's going to pick me up at 8 am
At least we'll be driving most of the day so I can nap in his passenger seat
but seriously
why are some people so bad at communication/pre-planning
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>>6408273
stay mad wagecuck
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>>6408270
I think Undertale is the most memorable indie game I've played so far. Too bad the fandom bastardized it pretty fucking badly but I guess that's how it goes these days when you make something super popular.
>>
>>6408272
I mean I would assume you were taking estrogen before, so is your change just in identity only?
>>
>>6408281
lmao i already have a really big one
>>
I swear this thread has been here for like a week, we are dead without edie
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>>6408273
this is you
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>>6408294
you truely are insane and/or mentally retarded, aren't you?
>>
>>6408292
Doesn't that tat clash with your withdrawn and timid personality?
>>
>>6407949
>>6407955
ok i just finished watching it
>>
>>6408294
the threads are fine stop sucking dollface ass
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>>6408300
time is moving very slow and I have no perception of it.
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>>6408283
that shit is annoying as hell
I've had friends cancel to show up somewhere at the last minute, leaving only me and another alone
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>>6408303
i think you probbaly have the wrong perception of how i act irl honestly ;o
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>>6408307
so you're acting like this just so you can get neetbux
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I'm a bit high rn
>>6408291
yeah, still taking hormones. Just feminine person I suppose. I hate all the big loose guy t shirts I gotta wear to hide my boyboobs
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>>6408292
what kind of tattoo do you have?

>>6408305
what'd you think?
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>>6408280
Yeah, and it's all down to differences of opinion. It depends on how broad you want to be with whether something is art, and whether a whole piece of work is art because it's composed of visual and audio experiences that are undeniably art. I can understand the reasoning.

>>6408290
I still have yet to play Undertale ;_;
Idk I think the most memorable indie game that I've played so far is Cave Story. It's not really arty but the experience stuck with me I guess.
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>>6408309
He's been good about showing up on time but I gotta wrestle details out of him usually
Same goes for a lot of people I've met up with
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>>6408310
So you are actually outgoing? Do you dance like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L_nf-NuSbes#t=20
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>>6408311
no, I'm legitimately fucked in the head
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>>6408264
no, you can't.
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>>6408252
I didn't really didnt get into casshern and haibane only sounds familiar...hmm.
Gankutsuou and texhnolyze are also in my top ten, and i plan on watching lain soon.
My top ten are ofcourse unchanged:
>Nichijou
>TTGL
>Ergo Proxy
>Boogiepop Phantom
>Code Geass
>Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
>Spice and Wolf
>Texhnolyze
>Gankutsuou
>Baccano!
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>>6408315
it's an arthur rackham alice illustration in a frame
i got it a bunch of years ago

>>6408321
l m f a o at this
no im not really outgoing but i am pretty loud irl
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>>6408316
>I still have yet to play Undertale ;_;
You should, hopefully you haven't been spoiled too much already it was such a great experience from a blank slate.
>Idk I think the most memorable indie game that I've played so far is Cave Story.
It was really cute but I sucked too hard at it to finish it ;__;
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>>6408316
I guess so, of course there are some games that are so shit overall that they cannot be considered art to be, same would go for a painting
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>>6408316
>Cave Story
>TFW elanna is literally perfect and will never ever be your bff
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>>6408326
Cave story was awesome and so was undertale but alphys kinda ruined the second half of the game for me because OF THE CONSTANT FUCKING INTERUPTIONS, JESUS ALPHYS, HOW DO I BLOCK YOU ON THIS SHIT.
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>>6408317
ikr
so fucking annoying
>"how do you wanna hang out tomorrow?"
>"sure"
>doesn't tell me anything
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>>6408325
>arthur rackham alice illustration
I just googled that. It looks nice. Beats the usual flaming skull with flowers for sure.
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>>6408210
I'm not outgoing either. In fact I can't go up to somebody new that I feel is interesting. I need somebody to make the first move. I see them as an invite so I can feel I can chat with them.

LOL NYC was a target rich environment. I was wearing a camisole that I got as part of my payment for modeling it. The editor who was working on that editorial piece saw me wearing it near where I was living on the upper east side, and she thought I looked like the model in the photo set. She didn't know who I was, and I wasn't the one she asked for. She tried to catch up to me, but I hailed a cab to quick. So, she went on to MoMA because she was playing hooky that day so she could see the exhibit. When she got there, there I was sitting in line, reading a book, and eating my breakfast while waiting for the museum to open. She struck up a conversation with me. We ended up talking to each other most of the day. We ended up friends despite out age difference.

>>6408231
Other issues? I'm starting the process for PTSD disability.

>>6408246
Sleep well.
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>>6408330
The portion where she spams pointless calls at you is actually very brief in retrospect.
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>>6408326
It's ok I couldn't finish it either, that last boss was brutal ;~;
I don't think undertale has been ruined for me but I did watch some of their playthrough on Steam Train

>>6408327
Fair enough yeah. I guess the other question is: is shit art art. I absolutely love bad films and the unintentional comedy that comes from it, but idk if I've ever considered that there is an art to making shit. Not all bad films are as good or as hilariously flawed.

>>6408328
;~;
I'm sorry, but I'm sure there's someone out there who likes Cave Story
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>>6408315
it was good

wasn't what I was expecting
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>>6408345
>>6408345
>>6408345
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>>6408341
felt like a lot longer to me. I might try again some time in the future, but my perception of the game isn't good even though I can tell it's a very good game.
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>>6407454
The hell?
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