is anyone else bothered by the fact that this shooting was the

>>6375445
I wouldn't expect anything less from America.

>>6375454
i forgot to include that when some professor got shot at ucla like last week or whatever that was trending for an entire day.

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Its just another fucking shooting, thats why.

And it was a hate crime.

>>6375445
you're learning that the narrative is bullshit, my friend. most of society is lukewarm to us at best

10 years ago, most of the people in the US were homophobic as shit

>shitskin being a shitskin
>yet another mass shooting (other countries have had bigger lately)
>at a bar
>islamic perp aligned with isis
>FLORIDA

The stars have aligned (or rather, this is the one moment they aren't aligned), if any of these were not true then people would care.

>>6375445

The Left doesn't know how to respond to this, and they're more vocal than the Right.

Also it's honestly not a surprise if you've been paying the slightest attention to current events, it's sad but it isn't at all shocking.

Oh look, some more people died.

Oh, they were gay? I totally care more now. Not.

Why should it matter?

>>6375474
>shitty memepost about how tangential factors made no one care
>worst shooting in US history

nice cognitive dissonance

wake the fuck up

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I'm more bothered that their is more defense of islam on left wing sites then gays.

Gay men for years have been easy targets for TERFS and transtrenders but it's now apparently perfectly normal to openly hate gay people cause trans lives matter more

>>6375493
Oh look, some edgy basement dweller posted on 4chan.

Oh, he's nihilistic with a wicked sense of humor? I totally didn't expect that. Not.

Why should I reply?

>>6375497
>in US history
Key thing here, there have been larger lately outside our borders, and with our global economy and media, ours is small by comparison. Think back to the paris shootings. It was almost three times as deadly, and well over ten times the amount of casualties. How long did people care about that?

We only ever get hung up on school shootings in this country.

>>6375493
They died literally BECAUSE they were gay. Are you dumb?

>>6375517

This is what you deserve for being leftists though. It's literally the future you chose.

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>>6375525
Stop posting before you hurt yourself.

>>6375530
Nothing can destroy my armor of dank memes.

>vote for importation of third worlders
>surprised when they chimp out

>>6375445
Why do you care how much reaction this garners on social media? The parties and organizations that are affected by this are concerned and are doing what they can.

>>6375536
>he thinks the people in the gay nightclub ever bothered to vote in their lives
doubt it

>>6375445
Pretty sure everyone is giving a shit you sperging retard.

>>6375508
Yeah its pretty fucking lame, but hey, at least we get to mock fools for it.

Is it really true that some cunt Governer tweeted "You reap what you sow"?

>>6375445
They give a shit about twisting the narrative this attack for political purposes. Some use the tragedy to push for gun control, some to push for muslim control, but none of them give a shit about queer people in reality. Don't kid yourselves, LGBT does not have an 'ally' in Clinton and certainly not in Trump. Nobody in power is on our side except to use us like pawns.

>>6375567
Welcome to voting. I'd rather the man who will allow me to defend myself and stop the importation of barely literate shitskins who do nothing but create crime and squalor where ever they go.

>>6375578
Yeah, me too. Trump may not be my ally but at least we have a common enemy.

>>6375567
An ally of convenience is still an ally, that word doesn't imply anything more than a shared common goal in the short term that you can both work towards, it doesn't even imply you have to like each other. The Soviet Union and the United States were allies from 1942 to 1945 for instance.

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Muslims shooting gays does not advance the narrative, it doesn't sell papers.

This is the time to make the democratic party pay for taking advantage of us, this is the time to start buying guns and stop playing according to the script.

Bash back faggots.

why should we blame muslims for something that is the fault of christian homosexual hatred in America? Christians have preached hatred towards gays for centuries, muslims who come to America have learned their hatred towards homosexuals from American Christians.

Don't let /pol/ make you racist /lgbt/! Stay strong.

>>6375684
I was racist before /pol/, it merely allowed me to create better arguments and source my shit better.

I sincerely hope you are trolling with them learning to hate gays from the west. Their practice of raping little boys predates Islam and Islam adapted to that but that doesn't mean they won't throw gays off fucking buildings.

>>6375445
What truly matters isn't how much attention it garners or how long it manages to do so, but rather what the people who do care choose to do in response to this in order to avoid this happening again in the future. So let me ask you this, what are you doing to contribute to this cause other then this post that is obviously butt mad simply because they are gay and you think that qualifies it as needing more attention? (implying all lives don't matter and that all shootings shouldn't have the same amount of shocking attention)

>>6375445

A) Boston Marathon bombing says hello
B) Literal nonstop coverage all day on every news network including hours on a major network preempting programing, flags at half mast around the nation and the President making a speech is "no one caring?" You fuckin delusional or what?

>>6375511
Oh fuck off. People get killed on a daily Basis for what they are or what they believe in. The other week 900 Refugees died in the same boat and nobody gave a shit.

Now you want the whole world to cry and be outraged because you are gay yourself? Selfish piece of shit. Same Kind of Person who votes Hillary Clinton because she approves gays but totally dismiss the fact that she orders children to be slaughterd in other countries.

>>6375716
>A) Boston Marathon bombing says hello
And I wave back at it's laughable THREE fatalities.
>LGBT
>not delusional
You have to ask?

>>6375445
I'm bothered by the fact that if you don't condemn every aspect of Islam you obviously must be a liberal cuck.

>>6375725
>Hillary Clinton because she approves gays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I
>I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman.
Riiight.

>>6375732
Name one redeeming aspect of Islam

hardmode: do not bring up cuisine

Yeah, to be quite fucking honest.

The left batting around the fact that this guy pledged allegiance to ISIS and simultaneously going straight into typical Islam-apologetics mode pisses me off. There are so many people ready to preach about this without addressing the religious aspect of the attack, except in the form of "But don't hurt the Muslims!"

Sorry to everyone - I have no intention to hurt the Muslims. I believe in freedom of religious beliefs no matter how fucking stupid or hateful they are... but once in a while, can't we just talk like adults about how fucking stupid and hateful some religious beliefs are and how maaaaaybe that contributes a lot to the mindset behind shit like this?

I'm not even anti-Muslim, but if someone has an emotional reaction to this and your first response is to go on damage control and shout them down for their ultimately reasonable anxiety, maybe you're a fucking asshole. I get that there are lots of wingnut trolls out there who love this shit, but people ought to be able to acknowledge how fucking horrible a lot of Muslim beliefs are without having to be associated with people with beliefs that are also shit. But if you talk about it, people go nuts, and even if you didn't they'd still be there on first response to tend to Islamic boo-boos. So the lesson we all learn from these patronizing twits is that we should all remember not to be mean to Muslims - forget that over a hundred people were just shot and about half of them died at the hands of one man.

>>6375737
The vast majority of the Sunnah is overwhelmingly positive. In summary 'Be excellent to each other.' as well as a few bits on how to properly fast.

The extremists choose to ignore it in favor of the Quran, which can be summarized as 'Fuck infidels.' and has a few bits on how to properly castrate and penoctomize your Christian slave if he refuses to convert.

Islam is a religion just as fine as any other... except some odd 60% of them are extremists.

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>>6375684
Muslims don't hate the gays because of American Christians. First of all, in the Quran it tells Muslims to kill a man or woman for being homosexual. Two, Muslim extremists have hated homosexuals for as long as the religion has existed. Three, Muslims who have had no contact or influence from America still hate gays. Four, Muslim extremists are too dedicated to their religion to allow anything that isn't from the Quran or their culture to influence them.
>implying American Christians are to blame for the shootings
>American Christians did not go to that bar and massacre those people
>shooter was part of ISIS and was violent and extreme already
>spaghetti spewing from your mouth intensifies

>>6375754
>The left batting around the fact that this guy pledged allegiance to ISIS

Oops, meant "beating around." They're often avoiding it in favor of a solely "homophobic dudebro" kind of narrative.

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>>6375755
>the Quran, which can be summarized as 'Fuck infidels.'

>>6375729

Literally hundreds of severely wounded horribly disfigured people would wave back too if they still had arms. Which, if you didnt know, wounded are defined as casualties. Live manhunt the entire nation watched. Easily the biggest terror attack on US soil since 9/11.

>>6375508
there was a trans headliner that got murdered at the club in orlando and nobody's talking about it.

>>6375729
>And I wave back at it's laughable THREE fatalities.

But people still died. Did there lives mot matter?
Almost 300 people were injured too. Im not that guy but he still prove your dumbass wrong. Plus, The Oklahoma City Bombings killed more people. Til this day, it remains second to 9/11 on acts of Terrorism in the US.

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>>6375508
>I'm more bothered that their is more defense of islam on left wing sites then gays.

They're clinging to a sinking ship and will cause Trump to win the presidency. Every cloud.

>>6375755
That's the issue. I was discussing the issue with my aunt and am personally anti-Islam, which my aunt immediately extrapolated into me being a racist and bigot.

"But Christianity has killed countless millions and you aren't anti-Christianity! People commit terrorist acts in the name of Christianity, too! What about abortion clinics?"

And I agree that terrorism under any flag is shitty and bad. I also know that, unlike Islam, Christianity has ultimately grown out of its brutal expansionist phase and many christians will go out of the way to show good will, even if it's not to someone that practices their own beliefs. I've already heard church groups in my area organizing to send aid and condolences to the victims in this shooting, but all I've heard pertaining to Islam is those practicing it trying to deflect blame and those who are pro-Islam and pro-LGBT simultaneously being retards and trying to pin this registered Democrat Muslim's terrorist actions on the guns he used.

>>6375776

Ok, let's revise:

Deadliest US terror attack since 9/11
Biggest mass shooting in US history.

OP fudged, but it's still a big fucking deal.

>>6375770
>Literally hundreds of severely wounded horribly disfigured people would wave back too if they still had arms.
You mean the exactly 14 that lost limbs?
>wounded are defined as casualties.
The majority of the CASUALTIES (this figure doesn't actually matter) were hit with a tiny piece of shrapnel and needed a bandage.
>Live manhunt the entire nation watched.
The activities of the Kardashian family are watched by millions every day, but that doesn't mean they matter.

>>6375776
>Im not that guy but he still prove your dumbass wrong
Shut your ass. You are the worst kind of person, not doing your own goddamn research and just trusting others who know as little as you.

>>6375734
Fuck off, I am aware of what she said there. But are you aware that she changed her mind as soon as elections started and you believed her?

Being gay may or may not be a sin but being selfish and retarded sure is.

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>>6375684
you're a fucking idiot for implying Christians are to blame, and hating extremists who are intolerant to the point of murder isn't being fucking racist you retard -.- MUSLIMS AREN'T A RACE IT'S A RELIGION YOU CAN'T BE RACIST TOWARDS AN INTOLERANT EXTREMIST RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.
this is the most ignorant thing i've ever read, you belong on /pol/

>>6375789
>are you aware that she changed her mind as soon as elections started and you believed her?
Yeah, I am aware of that, but I didn't believe her. Quite the opposite. She is a devout Christian and will never support LGBT.
>Being gay may or may not be a sin
Get out of here and take your collection of madmen's ramblings with you.

>>6375792
>Hillary
>Devout anything

This election is literally Machiavelli v. Machiavelli. If you think anything else, you're missing out on a riot.

>>6375777
>This much projection
>Milo implying Trump hasn't spent his entire campaign doing exactly this

>>6375784
>many christians will go out of the way to show good will
How is that different from many muslims doing the same. Most of the victims of muslim terror are other muslims.

>>6375563
yep and plebbit mods are straight up telling gay people to STFU when they even advertise orlando blood drives

shit is beyond fucked but these are the same people who hate anyone who isn't a transtrender or comfortable with the sex they were born as.

I'm not particularly wound up about it.

This is America, gun violence capital of the world. This is simply business as usual.

One day it will be elementary school children who are slaughtered, the next day a bunch of gays in the club.

When you have such a shitty society as America does, indifference is the watchword. It's how most Americans protect themselves from the cognitive dissonance that is living in their wacky society.

Although I admit I did find it amusing to look through my fagbook feed, and see all literally none of my SJW tumblrina acquaintances from college post a peep about it.

When you are muslim to a leftist mind, you are one of the holy oppressed who can do now wrong.

>>6375785
>OP fudged, but it's still a big fucking deal.

OP "fudged" by giving the wrong information to justify hating all people of Islam. Idiot didn't bother to look up more terrorist attacks. Yes, this is a fucking deal, but you can't go blaming people if you don't have the actual facts. This is a top story. It's trending everywhere on the News and social media. Again proving OP wrong.

Shit thread
>>6375787
I did do my research, senpai. It is you who haven't read shit

>>6375536
>Nothing can destroy my armor of dank memes
The gayest thing I have ever read

I love the narrative that this is all because of the lack of muh wall from the polfags
Because banning Mexicans (who are more pro-gay than white anglo southerners) from coming in would totally have stopped a guy whose parents immigrated in the 70s when Afghanistan was a secular socialist country from shooting up a club at some point.

But hey, at least the mujahideen weren't godless, right? Or has the alt-right finally given up on pretending Reagan was worth anything? I remember their love affair with his friends Pinochet and Thatcher never ended

>>6375445
These faggots hate Christianity so bad they're willing to defend their executioners out of spite.

You guys have serious mental issues. Pls sort that out

>>6375851
>We want them helped
>Pushes to make homosexuality a capital crime in christian african countries
>[Missionary intensifies]

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>>6375445
No, I'm actually happy with the result. That guy did a wonderful job!

I am fucking pissed off. I have written out and then not sent so many replies to the anti gun, pro muslim, and "oh don't judge....both gays and muslims are minorities!" type people on facebook. Haven't posted any for the sake of my career but this is a fucking threat against my goddamn life.

THESE MONSTERS WANT TO SEE US DEAD.

HOW CAN PEOPLE PRETEND TO BE SYMPATHETIC WHEN THE MUSLIM RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND HOLY BOOK CALL FOR OUR DEATHS!!!!?!!?!!!

>>6375824
how was i wrong? you shills are really good at not proving your case

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>>6375862
You know what they do with faggots in muslim countries?

There are tons of these pics too, all different people.

>>6375813
Trump is loyal, when that shrill jewess called assault on Corey he doubled down in support as his own side and the left poured criticism onto him. I saw the whole thing unfold and that is what convinced me he was my man after I was shaky on him. I voted for him in my primaries and I will vote for him in the generals. I hope you wake up and realize even if you don't like him he is the only one who can keep people safe.

>>6375887

There are choices besides supporting fundamentalist Christians who want homosexuals "cured" or arrested (or, yes, in some cases killed) and Muslims who want homosexuals killed. Shit dichotomy.

>>6375887
>You know what they do with faggots in muslim countries?
>ISIS
>Country
>implying Trump wants boots on the ground
>implying Trump won't defend Saudi Arabia

>>6375873
The book is not the real problem, it's the people offering young Muslim men a way to fight back. These people would hate gays no matter what the Quran said.

>>6375862
Wow, you know what you convinced me that what some niggers do in Africa totally affects some sign holding bigots in the US. Meanwhile a Muslim, who grew up in America after his parents were saved from abject squalor in their mudstain country shoots up a club full of gays.

Nice goal posts.

>>6375909
He had a job, a great job actually, suprising he got it after two outbursts leading to FBI interviews but whatever. He was living the peaches and cream American dream and he STILL goes ahead and blasts a nightclub into the stone age.

The religion is broken, ugly and backwards. If in the face of all the West has to offer it turns it's back, fuck Muslims it's not the West's job to put these savages on a pedestal .

>>6375873
Every holy book calls for our death, hth

The guy literally has the exact same profile as every beta who shoots up a school except islam gives him more ideological grounding in his hatred and designated targets.

>>6375563
>Is it really true that some cunt Governer tweeted "You reap what you sow"?

He posts automated scripture tweets like every day. I mean, hes an asshole and probably celebrated it or at least didn't care because they were gay, but the scripture post wasn't deliberate.

>>6375484
>The Left doesn't know how to respond to this

The initial panicked response was blame whitey and Christianity, now they've settled on gun control.

That's right, they are against gays owning guns to defend themselves against this shit.

>>6375919
>muh all christian homophobia is westboro
Sure is dumbass breeder in here

>a great job
He was a security guard, that's not "a great job" that's a shitty dead end job for people who are desperate to do anthing short of retail and prostitution. It also goes well with an us vs them mentality.

>>6375901
In American our two continents are Christian. In both of these continents there are open gays and transsexuals.
If you're atheist (because you hate your parents and/or heterosexual society) that's your choice, if you want to fuck other men like a fruitcake that's also your choice but if you think that by supporting Islam your faggotry will flourish you're in for a rude awakening

>>6375862
The Vatican has been pushing for an end to all capital punishment since JP2.

>>6375920
>Every holy book calls for our death, hth

Yeah but every major religion has reformed away from literal interpretations aside from muzzies.

>>6375445
>no one gave a shit?
it's not because they were gay that nobody cares, it's because they were men

>>6375934
Sufi orders emphasize allegorical/esoteric interpretations, but Wahhabis are obviously better at recruiting.

>>6375932
>Implying Rome matters to protestants and orthodoxes

>>6375948

And we should be encouraging / discussing the difference and trying to stamp out wahhabism and bring about a reformation for the rest of Islam.

But you can't say that without being called Racist and have retards bring up Westboro or the KKK or some other bullshit false equivalence excuse that does nothing but virtue signal and shit on any real discussion.

>>6375960
>bring about a reformation
The reformation is wahhabism, just like calvinist Geneva killed more infidels in a couple decades than the inquisition in a few centuries.

>>6375928
Security guard jobs that require the clearances he had pay well, he wasn't some broke ass college student and that doesn't explain why there aren't a shit ton more shootings from people without ANY job much less a 'dead end' one.

By all means, defend the shitstain religion and practitioners. It's a free country, just don't complain when they don't thank you and actively call for harm to come to you.

>>6375968

Then reform the reformation. Talk about it, let people know there are multiple factions of islam and educate them on the differences rather than just blanketing the entire topic saying "Not all muslims u fuggin raciss"

There is clearly a problem with Islam, it might be a small portion of it, but it's still a massive portion of the global population and ignoring any and all criticisms because of cultural relativism or white guilt or whatever retarded reason people have is retarded.

>>6375930
>In American our two continents are Christian.
>In both of these continents there are open gays and transsexuals.

They aren't all fundamentalists. Fischer is. If he ran the country, we would be fucked in a completely non-literal sense. Hence, there are choices besides supporting his ilk or Muslims. It is hence a shit dichotomy, and America historically opposes the kind of religious laws he supports.

>If you're atheist (because you hate your parents and/or heterosexual society) that's your choice,

You realize there are more religions than Christianity and Islam, right?

>if you want to fuck other men like a fruitcake that's also your choice but if you think that by supporting Islam your faggotry will flourish you're in for a rude awakening

I don't have to support Islam OR fringe fundamentalist Christians who are also anti-gay. Again, shit dichotomy.

I don't give a shit. Everyone uses this as political weapon and doesn't care. If the shooter wasn't muslim conservatives would celebrate it and stand up for the shooter. You need to realize that EVERY straight person is our enemy, they only see as trash or tools, if we get rid of them then we can finally have peace.

>>6375960
I wish more people paid attention to counterterrorism advisors and others whose job is knowing Islamic extremism inside and out, rather than claiming that it's all whitey's fault.

>>6375983
>reform the reformation
Or you know, don't reform and go back to before the reformation.

Ottoman Turkey was the first country to decriminalize homosexuality in Europe.

>>6375994
>and go back to before the reformation.

Almost like.... A reformation. We're arguing semantics here.

The core issue is this shit doesn't get discussed in the mainstream and swept under the rug for stupid reasons and bringing false equivalences to the table like KKK or Westboro doesn't help the situation other than virtue signalling how much you love brown people.

Sweeping it under the rug just makes people turn to /pol/ because its the only place discussing it.

>>6376002
Considering I've seen nonsense about muslim reformation in mainstream shit since the 00s, I'd say you're also dealing with some degree of confirmation bias (although usually it was pointing out that people who wanted a reformation already had it since Calvin and Wahhab would basically be best bros if they ever met like some sort of weird buddy cop movie)

On the left literally the only ones I've been seeing this shit have been Sparts, and liberals but liberals are the center, not the left, and have never had ideological consistency.

>>6375992
are you fucking retarded?

>>6376032
Remember how after Sandy Hook /polfags/ like you were outraged that the dems didn't wait until the corpses were cold to make political capital out of it?

You're doing the same.

>>6376002
Also like, one of the big issues is that the US establishment has been busy dismantling every remotely secular government in the middle east since all but one (Turkey) was run by socialists.

>>6375445
Because the shooter wasn't white.

The regressive left's hands are tied with this one.

>>6376074
If he isn't white then armenians and greeks aren't either.

>>6376027
Multiple 'reformations' can run laterally, just because wahhabists are for a brand of reformation doesn't mean all discussion of reformation is wrong, or proponents for it are uninformed.

>>6376044
I won't dispute that. America is shithouse m8. Saudis are #1 wahhabists and wahhabists are #1 terrorists, and we can't do anything to piss off wahhabists because America loves Saudi Dick. But that still doesn't mean every other sect of Islam are all peachy 1:1 copies of christianity only replace jesus with allah.

Which is why i find comparisons to religions who have already gone through reform (and still have issues despite this) disingenuous in this field of discussion.

All this is is a call to discussion. Making excuses or false equivalences do not contribute to the discussion in any way shape or form.

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Why is it that I so frequently hear that "nobody's talking about X" where X is the thing of the day that LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYONE is covering, and is the hottest news topic, and is the focus of most social media at the given time.

Does "X not being covered" advance your narrative? You're literally a fucking idiot if you think Orlando isn't receiving attention of news media and social media.

Naturally, everyone's more interested in spinning their own stupid story rather than just feeling sad about the deaths. Gun nuts say it's too much gun control, their opponents say the REAL ISSUE HERE is that there's not enough gun control. People who care mostly about race will insist this is ACTUALLY about race, people who care about religion will cite religion as the central issue. Hell, some dumbass tran on another site I go to was saying they "DOUBT IT WAS NOT TRANS* NIGHT" at the club with no evidence to suggest that it was.

The fact is that everyone's going to walk away from this feeling like "well this just proves my point," no matter how left right up or down their stupid goddam point is, and that few people actually give a shit or feel sad about what actually happened.

I hate this fucking world, too many god damn fuckers in it.
Too many thoughts and different societies all wrapped up together in this fucking place called AMERICA.
Everyone has their own god damn opinion on every god damn thing,
and you may be saying 'Well what makes you so different?'.
Because I have something only me and V have; SELF AWARENESS.
Call it exortenstiolism or whatever the fuck you want.
We know what we are to this world, and what everyone else is.
We learn more than what caused the civil war and how to simplify quadratics in school.
We've been watching you people and we know what you think and how you act.
All talk and no action.
People who are said to be brave or courageous are usually just STUPID,
then they say later that they did it on purpose cause they're brave,
when they did it on fucking accident.
God everything is so corrupt and so filled with opinions and points of view,
and peoples own little agendas and schedules.
This isn't a world any more.
It's H.O.E and no one knows it.
Self awareness is a wonderful thing.

>>6375985
>Fischer

Who..
You live in a snow globe, and you should be thankful for it. Look at what Christians have been defending you against. But if that's what you want, go hold up your banners in support of them. I'll be here laughing when they turn around and beat the living shit out of you.

We've been dealing with your degeneracy since Sodom & Gomorrah, going easy on you, living with it, and now coddling you. Islam doesn't have this sort of patience.. I'll give them that, they won't put up with you. There are no gay pride parades in the middle east

>>6376094
>Why is it that I so frequently hear that "nobody's talking about X" where X is the thing of the day that LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYONE is covering, and is the hottest news topic, and is the focus of most social media at the given time.
> at the given time.

Answered your own question fuckstick.

>>6376080
>religions who have already gone through reform
US style christianity still includes mormons, davidians and other people who think gays have horns and should be dealt with by biblical solutions. Literally without 90s era hate crime laws they'd still be chimping out on the regular (and still do it more than US muslims on a per capital level).

It's not that they're on the same level worldwide, but in the US it's still largely catch up. Should they, probably not, but when a christian shooter happens the media mostly raises their hands and goes #notmychurch, while anything a muslim does is insta-terrorism (in this case they're actually right for once).

The US in general also has a bug up their ass about secularism, which makes dealing with the core issue a problem, largely because christians know the writing is on the wall for them too if other religions start getting that treatment.

>>6375992
Hey look a hypocritical bigoted moron.

Do you have any conception of the sheer number of 'right wing' people who think everyone deserves the right to self defence?

>>6376101
>Look at what Christians have been defending you against.
Christians put these fucks in power because muh godless commies, moron.

Also Beirut has a gay pride.

>>6376044
>being outraged that hypocritical idiots use mass shootings for political capital makes you a /pol/fag

Also why aren't you outraged at all the left wing people throwing gays under the bus to defend their precious Muslims?

>>6375445
>and no one gave a shit?

Pretty sure people are giving a shit because it's blasted all over the news, social media, and will continue to do so for the next few months.

And both sides politically give a shit because they'll try to court various groups and demonize various groups and try to tell their group why the other is trying to ruin America and what rights we all need removed to be safe.

>>6375821
why don't you move somewhere else then faggot and see how they treat you

>>6376106
Is your point that people only become aware of what's trending on the news the day after? I'm saying that I often hear people bitching that X isn't being covered ON THE SAME DAY that X is at peak coverage.

I REALLY gotta stop posting here during hours that the USA is mostly asleep. We need a wall to keep ESL's off the internet.

>>6375684
>why should we blame muslims for something that is the fault of christian homosexual hatred in America?

Pretty sure ISIS and other muslim extremists would be hating us just fine without Christians. Think 50 dead is bad, they do that easy every other weekend in some of these places without blinking. Doesn't even phase them, and unlike here, everyone thinks they completely deserve it and this will get them closer to Allah.

Why are so many fags anti gun? They need guns more than most.
All it would have taken is one of these fruits to shoot back.

>>6375445
hi i'm muslim

>>6376115
It's hardly been a day and you've already forgotten what's happened. You're sick in the head

>Beirut
Yeah a tiny gay oasis in a massive desert, your optimism is at a point where it's called delusional disorder. Another clinical condition you can add to your list of deficiencies

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I like how Paulian sects now want to look as the saner religion despite what they are responsible for in the past.

>we want them helped
translated
>we want [to cure] them [and if everything else fails beat the faggos to death]

>>6376129

My point is, this being on the news, just after the event has occurred =/= constant discussion as you're implying.

Those people complaining about no coverage complain because the issue can't be fixed overnight and that any and all public attention is lost the moment the event is not fresh in everyone's mind.

The people who say "nobody is talking about X" are people who probably spend 12 months out of the year trying to scrape discusssion together, then when some event happens that brings everyone to the table, they don't actually fucking discuss the issue they just give platitudes, condolences, excuses and justifications, then 2 weeks later its back to not being discussed at all outside of the fringe.

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>>6376147
I'm anti-gun the way some conservatives are anti-recycling. Overall I think guns are actually a good thing, and a fun hobby, and I'd like to own one, but I get more mileage and enjoyment out of shitting on the rights of a demographic that I dislike.

If 2nd amendment shit wasn't so interwoven in hick culture, and fat, aging mall ninjas who think they're hard, I'd be all in pro gun. As it stands, anti-gun legislature hurts a disproportionately high ratio of enemies to friends.

>>6376154
Nonsense. Modern christians are not that religious and have sex before marriage 99% of the time.

They would never beat you fags to death.

>>6376163
Well fuck you.
I'm against gay marriage now.

>>6376154
>we don't think any less of gay people
>we just think it's impossible for them to have sex or romance without sinning

>>6375725
>muh peaceful refugees

Bullshit. They didn't have to get on a boat to Europe. There are plenty of safe countries to stop in. All they want is free shit. Good fucking riddance to them. Fucking invading scum.

>>6376164
You are right, they are not christians but southern hillbillies who use Christianity as an excuse to beat fags to death.

Christianity is still part of the problem when you have your Leviticus and when there is still used terminology like "we need to help homosexuals" as if there is anything homosexuals needed help with (except homelessness, co-morbid mental illnesses, etc)

>>6376164
But a lot of muslims are like that too

>>6375445
Well, according to Obongo it has absolutely nothing to do with radical islam. If it were radical islam, more people would care. But it's not radical islam.

>>6376163
You are a fucking sociopath.

>>6376164
>#notallabrahamics
>>6376179
The shooter had never left the US

>>6376170
My dad is firmly against the idea of net neutrality because every time the topic comes up, it's young people bitching about corporations, and he seems unable to retain a basic description of what net neutrality is even about. People care more about who is saying something than what is being said.

I really wish that a large enough group would do something confusing and out of line with guns. Imagine if there was a very sweeping nation wide "every single black person needs a concealed carry, just in case" movement. Bet you'd get a few current NRA members talking about "the gun problem."

Way I see it is that idk, I just don't see how it would help in mass shootings if a lot of people had guns. Having a gun doesn't make you a cop, doesn't mean you're trained to resolve conflicts. Imagine if everyone in Paris had a gun. How many people would shoot each other just because they're shooting the guy they see shooting, it's not like you get little red video game arrows pointing to the bad guys, and it's not like they're going to be dressed up in osama bin laden cosplay either. On the other hand, it's not like there's ever been massive instances of friendly fire while interrupting an act of terrorism, but I don't think there's ever been that kind of critical mass of guns present during such an act, so maybe I'm just being paranoid.

Anyways, keep in mind this was a bar. Even if gun laws were more lax, I don't think most bars want people who are totally wasted carrying guns. Getting so fucked up that you lose your keys or phone would be one thing, but imagine misplacing a gun? One fag with a gun wouldn't have stopped Orlando, it was closing time at a bar. It was really opportunistic to go after a place where people would be tired, drunk, crowded, and walled in. If everyone in that bar had a gun on them, I would have expected a shit show all the same, at least in this specific location.

>>6376101
>Who..

Literally the guy in the OP who >>6375862
was referring to. I don't have to walk you through this discussion, do I?

>>6375887 replied to that post about Fischer with a false dichotomy about "Muslim countries vs. Christian countries" when the person they were replying to was talking specifically about Fischer, who claims to want homosexuals "helped" but has sympathized with the (lethal) crackdown on homosexuality in Uganda.

>You live in a snow globe, and you should be thankful for it.

And you have poor reading comprehension and should look into improving.

>>6376246
So the problems of importing scum (in this case a literal Taliban supporter) from the Islamic world don't just last for one generation, their descendants will be scum as well no matter how much you try to teach them western values?

>>6376163
>>6376252
Everything about you reeks of narcissistic faggot. I'd say kill yourself but you would most likely do that once you realize plastic surgery for men is a not well supported field and you''ll off yourself once you botch something.

Everyone around you is a terrible person and you are too.

>>6376172
I personally think most people who die in an emergency deserve it for not being prepared enough, doesn't mean I think any less of them as people, just think less of them as survivalists. Same for Christians, if the chips are down they wouldn't associate with you for their spiritual salvation because to do so would mean an eternity of torment but they can think you are a swell person regardless.

>>6376281
I'm a tranny too. Does this increase your suffering?

>>6376327
For a second I thought you might be an asshole but you're just mentally ill. But the fun kind that'll statistically off himself.

>>6376246
Big fucking deal. His parents should have never been here. We have no obligation to change the basic structure of our society for some fucking ideal that will kill us! Deport every fucking one of them. The left and chamber of commerce on the right are both committing treason by letting these people in.

Also, your post was about the hundreds of drowned invaders.

And, also this http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi

>>6376212
Yes. Oh, I also support the minimum wage being $15 because it's practically status quo in San Francisco, but will be back breaking in less developed states. I do other rage inducing things too, just imagine all the stuff that pisses you off.

>>6376350
Nobody cares what a mentally ill man thinks.

>>6376318
How will being a 'survivalist' stop a train derailing or a gun attack out of nowhere from killing you?

Most people killed in emergencies do not have even the slightest chance of avoiding what happened to them. You cannot train your way out of being just as vulnerable to sudden accidents as anybody else.

>>6375445
>no one gave a shit

Its been the only thing on the news since yesterday.
i had to switch to the cooking channel last night because the police lights on the tv were disrupting my sleep

>>6376375
Should have specified natural disaster type events. Obviously having beans and bullets won't do shit against a semi with a dozy driver turning you into a fine mince.

>>6376074
>Because the shooter wasn't white.
THIS
people only care when the cute bowlcut boy next door shoots up his middle school, those kids are interesting. some jihadi doing what jihadis do is boring

>>6376350
There is no justification for hurting people just because it pisses off other people you dislike.

And you aren't pissing off 'hicks', you are pissing off anybody who actually has morals.

>>6375445
It was a Muslim.

Muslims > Gays

>>6376375
Well the faggot who barricaded the exit in panic and thought he was helping even as he heard people banging on the door may not have got himself killed, but a little bit of calm thinking in the face of a stressful situation, which you can in fact train for, would have saved many.

>>6376358
Oh no don't misgendered me that's my one weakness my blood is boiling oh no. Want to be steam friends I enjoy the cut of your jib

>>6376079
>If Afghans aren't white then Greeks and Armenians aren't
A++ logic there.

>>6376412
That faggot made a choice to protect himself AND the other people trapped outside in the alleyway (the way out of the alley was blocked), sacrificing those banging on the door. It must not have been an easy choice and I hope I am never in his position.

>>6376415
I already have enough people in my life I hang around to hate and be hated on. Also I'm not sure how to use a Steam account.

If it's any consolation I'd take you shooting in the hopes that you'd stop being such a fucking dick. But I'm sure surgery is probably going to 'fix' that soon enough.

>>6376397
I don't see guns as that big of an issue. Plenty of minor immoral shit happens and life goes on. Perhaps veganism is more moral as well, but I can't find the fucks to give about that either. One person who likes guns but hates the company of gun enthusiasts and who doesn't bleed out over every little gun law is not such a moral threat to you.

>>6376451
Not him but I believe in a republic every vote matters and every vote means something and to maliciously abuse the right just gets me angry. Also people being wrong on the internet and all that.

>>6376441
Then we could get gay married and realize each other's ways of life aren't so different after all

>>6376474
I wouldn't directly cast votes for gun control, in isolation I would likely be against but its never come up, but it's almost a non issue to vote for politicians who are anti-gun, if I support other parts of their platform, and I like to annoy people online. I don't actually shitpost this hard in the ballot box, I'm just being bored online.

>>6376485
>marrying a vapid shrew of a liberal degenerate
I already have enough issues with trying to not be my father. Maybe in twenty years after my first marriage ends with a destroyed family and a dead dog.

>>6376527
If I actually knew you in person I'd probably be friends with you. I dislike most of my friends.

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>LGBT hates christianity
>LGBT vehemently defends a shittier version of them
Sometimes I think the world would be better off without the LGBT community existing

>>6376831
Agreed

>>6375684
>learned their hatred towards homosexuals from American Christians.
You are too fat, try better

the left (including plenty of gays) won't call it a terrorist attack an instead calls it a 'mass shooting' (note that this term wasn't used for both Paris attacks) and goes on about muh gun control (it's more of an issue of the FBI fucking up HARD)
the right when it dares to speak calls it 'radical Islam' when it really is just normal Islam that's the problem in this case
there is no group that won't be thrown under the bus for Islam's sake

>ban guns so terrorists can't have guns
If you ban guns then nobody can legally buy a gun. Law abiding citizens can't get guns. This does nothing to stop a terrorist. Sure, the guns they use are legally bought, because that's currently easy enough. Take that away, and they will make them. It's not hard, guns aren't magic. Ammunition isn't made of unobtanium. All you do is take guns out of the hands of good people.
>not all people carry guns when they can
That's their fault for being stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzXG7MYX1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4McYKCd2Hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wiCAIwS-p4
Here, three Youtube videos to get you started on circumventing literally any gun control law that could ever be passed.

These weapons will never disappear from this world. You're delusional if you believe otherwise.

>>6375445
of course they gave a shit. worldwide as a matter of fact but the real question is that with emerging evidence that the shooter was in fact himself a gay how does it feel for the gay community to know that the largest hate crime ever perpetrated against gays on us soil was carried out by one of their own?

Instead of focusing on the killer, they focus on the second amendment and gay discrimination. Instead of focusing on the PROBLEM, they try to create more problems. I wrote a huge wall of text about it on /pol/ earlier today in sheer rage, and if I can find it I will post it.

>>6375536
he was born here dipshit

>>6381844

Please do, I really don't want to have to wade into that cesspit.

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>>6381859
Lucky for you I saved the thread, because I am weird and I archive the good threads I make. Here's a screenshot, I and others rambled on for a good hour. Really good conversations. If I can find a place to upload the html file ill do it.

>>6375445
The killer was straight. Of course straight people support him. They'd let him go, except that would be embarrassing in 2016.

>>6381884
Basically right.

Imagine if a Trump supporter opened fire in a Mosque. You would have entire city blocks in rioting flame.

But a Muslims kills 50 gay people. Yaaaawn, let's try and pin this on conservatives as a soothing blame and move on. #NotEveryISIS. Let's get some pictures of candles, a few facebook articles and move on.

>>6381884

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/77138520

>>6381957
Welp, your a wizard. Thanks for finding it! I hope my ramblings make sense.

>>6381884
how about the fact that the shooter was listed as white on his firearm license? would he have gotten more scrutiny if he had been accurately listed as middle eastern? would they have dug deeper and possibly denied him?

>>6381992

Apparently the FBI was already keeping an eye on him.

>>6382002
Then the FBI allowed him to shoot up the bar?

>>6381992
I didnt know that happened, that certainly puts a spin on the situation.

The thing is, I am all for tightening lax gun laws and loopholes, but I dont trust the people in office that want to do it. Our constitution gives us the natural right to bear arms, and liberals want to take that away and shred it. Hillary would be an absolute disaster for gun-owners. Even Bernie knows not to mess with people's natural rights as Americans.

>>6375508
>ut it's now apparently perfectly normal to openly hate gay people cause trans lives matter more
Except trans people are hated much more, and because of this shooting, gay men are for once going to have a higher death-toll of anti-LGBT murders.

>>6382056
Pretty sure that with this nightclub shooting, the number of gay cis men and women killed in the U.S. is higher than the number of trans people that have been killed. In all of U.S. history.

Which was actually probably already true what with certain straight people torching whole gay clubs with lots of people inside once or twice.

That's something that's not getting enough attention. This Muslim just murdered probably 5% of all the adult LGBT people in the Orlando area, which is a huge area. And will he even die for it? Does Florida even allow the death penalty? Will he escape it because of muh brown skin?

>>6382083
Is the murdered going to escape the dealth penalty because of muh straight straight? I'll bet he does, if the dealth penalty is even legal there. All of the jury members who will decide his fate will be straight people.

>>6375850
Illegal mexican immigrants are bad because of lax voting laws, and they consistently vote blue every election. California was once a red state in the 70s, which transitioned to a mixed state in the 80s, and is now a blue state. I blame this on illegal mexicans. Because of them we have cucks like Obama and Hillary controlling our country. Deport those fuckers.

Also, Reagan was great, and that isnt even an alt-right belief. He wasnt perfect but he fixed so much in our country in four years, far more than Bill clinton, bush or obama in their entire eight year terms.

>>6375919
Those niggers in africa were being led by an American "family" group to create harsher punishments for gay people you stupid fuck

>>6376252
Well, if you have a gun and someone starts shooting up everyone in the building you're in, then the obvious first step is to run and hide like a bitch.

Now, here's the difference the gun makes:

If you don't have a gun all you can do is text your mom and hope for the best.

If you DO have a gun, you can unload the thing at whoever walks into the bathroom.

Which one ends with a higher survival chance?

>>6376252
the NRA is basically pressing for an every black guy should concealed carry law they just don't restrict it to blacks. guns aren't the issue and the sooner you red pill and stop drinking the cuck-aid the sooner we move closer to what you want. a more peaceful world.

>>6375850
America had double-digit inflation before Reagan you retard, his term set the path for 20 years of continuous growth and innovation. Same shit for Thatcher, the UK was going over 20% yearly inflation in the 70s, her reforms were so successful the Labour Party never dared to revert them.

>>6376418
greeks aren't they are mediterranean. whites are caucasian

>>6382278
not to mention that reagan accurately predicted that we would be moving from a production based economy to a serviced based economy. tru shit i lived thru it.

>>6375445
well, that's because it was just a gun regulation failure. we'll just pass a few more gun bans and everything will be fixed.
just got to make sure the damned right wingers can't twist this into some sort of support for their crazy ignorance that islam is anything other than completely universally welcoming of all ways of life.

in the breakroom today, there were a few of us watching news coverage of the shooting (mostly queerdos) and someone else came in, walked up to the tv, and then changed the channel to basketball.

we were all like...uhh?

>>6381818
>Here, three Youtube videos to get you started on circumventing literally any gun control law that could ever be passed.
You did not seriously just post this, right?

Congratulations on being put on every watch list ever forever.

>>6381992
>how about the fact that the shooter was listed as white on his firearm license
>firearm license
Explain yourself.

>>6376252
>Having a gun doesn't make you a cop, doesn't mean you're trained to resolve conflicts
You're right. Ordinary gun-owners are on the average better with their weapons than cops (and they don't have the almost infinite lack of accountability cops do so they're more careful when it comes to use of force because they'll actually get fucked if they screw up, cops don't)

>Imagine if everyone in Paris had a gun. How many people would shoot each other just because they're shooting the guy they see shooting
Kill yourself.

Only a fool would prefer a group of bad guys being the only ones armed and somehow delude themselves into thinking someone shooting back would in any way make it worse. I heard the same ignorant bullshit back for the Aurora shooting as well.

First, no one is advocating that EVERYONE has to carry a gun, they want it to be an option. Obviously the people who are afraid of guns or don't trust themselves with the responsibility won't carry. That's fine. All it takes is one or two in a crowd of hundreds. Granted, terrorists are a different breed but most spree shooters don't expect armed resistance, and when that resistance presents itself they usually retreat, kill themselves, or die from the good guys.

>Even if gun laws were more lax, I don't think most bars want people who are totally wasted carrying guns.
Designated drivers could carry. Bouncers could carry. The owner could carry. Hell, the bartender could have a shotgun behind the bar, locked with a thumbprint triggerlock.

>One fag with a gun wouldn't have stopped Orlando
All it would have taken was one bullet. One person could have stopped it, but once inside his victims were entirely unarmed.

>If everyone in that bar had a gun on them
This is why we don't take gun control advocates seriously. You guys are fucking idiots who strawmen even the most basic ideas. No one is saying that everyone should carry. They are simply saying it should be an option.

>>6383272
>thumbprint triggerlock
You realize these are an extremely bad idea, right? Immediate response is necessary. Like hell if I stand for someone dying just because people who don't understand guns thinks this would make them safer. Precious seconds...
>No one is saying that everyone should carry.
Everyone who values their life and the lives of those around them should carry.

>>6375445
>is anyone else bothered by the fact that this shooting was the biggest mass shooting in american history and the first major terrorist attack since 9/11 and no one gave a shit?

Muslims are a protected class and the liberal left is more concerned about protecting them than they are about the dead gay people.

Too bad for the gays but they sort of deserve it for embracing progressive ideology. They should have realised they would be thrown under the bus by their allies as soon as it was convenient.

Even other gay people in America are more concerned about the shooting not harming Muslims or stopping immigration by Muslims than they are about the threat to LGBT people.

>>6383369
>Muslims beat gays in oppression Olympics
>Muslims discriminate against gays
How is this allowed? I thought the Liberal meme was all about whom has historically fucked over who more.

google wounded knee

>>6383422
Aunt Mavel this isn't Google, this is 4chan. You can't just ask Clover to Google something for you.

>>6381856
His parents weren't, and he and his islamic friends in the usa made a conscious decision to mirror the same practices and beliefs their ancestors had in the desert they fled from. They don't deserve sympathy, whether they are first or third generation citizens.

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>>6383413
>I thought the Liberal meme was all about whom has historically fucked over who more.

No.

Progressive politics is simply anti-White male. The more a class of person is different from White men the more protected it is.

So even though Muslims as a group are far more misogynist, homophobic and racist than White men they are still considered higher up on the progressive privilege stack because they are racially and culturally different.

Gay men (especially white gay men) are currently being moved from the 'protected class' to the 'oppressive class' because they are no longer sufficiently different from straight men.

Asian men (Oriental not Pakistani) are also considered 'honorary whites' and part of the oppressor class because they are very successful and mesh well with western society.

>>6383479
Fascinating. Thank you professor.

>>6383430
Google what is an edgelord?

>>6381856

2nd gen. A lot of terrorists are actually 2nd genners.

>>6382170
>Also, Reagan was great, and that isnt even an alt-right belief. He wasnt perfect but he fixed so much in our country in four years, far more than Bill clinton, bush or obama in their entire eight year terms.

In one breath you hate on illegals, and then praise Reagan. Reagan gave massive amnesty to illegals.

And Reagans tax cuts, and de-regulation of everything are at the root of the problems American now faces.

>>6382239

Easy access to guns is a major factor in these shootings. Jihadis have the same ability to get guns as anyone else, and they're now taking advantage of that. You reep what you sow. You wanted zero restrictions, well you got them. Expect a jihadi massacre every few months now.

>>6383568
You can't expect anyone who thought Reagan was a good president to have a solid grasp on politics.

>>6383574
>guns for everyone
>deport shitskins
Problems solved. Now we just need the teacher to shoot Johnny 'CRAWLING IN MY SKIN' Jameson when he comes to school ready to exact vengeance upon the popular kids. A perfect society.

>>6375454
>I wouldn't expect anything less from America.

This, fuck AmeriKKKa

>>6375445
>no one gave a shit?
Its huge news in western europe

>>6382170
Illegals cannot vote

http://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/

Latinos make up 28% of the current voting population. In the 70's that would have been even less. So how are you going to say that illegals and mexicans caused california to shift? If latinos are the problem then why is Texas so red?

>>6383631
It's huge everywhere, there are vigils all over the damn place, but this is 4chan and people here selectively choose their information. God forbid it's outside their conservative leaning media

>>6376192
>when you have your Leviticus
There's the brand spanking new thing called the New Testament that's literally the difference between Judaism and Christianity.

Maybe learn about someone's religion before shitting on it.

Besides, a devout Muslim is to blame for the deadliest mass shooting in US history.

>>6383661
Texas has a law where you need to have a state issued photo id in order to vote.

California doesn't.

So, in California illegal aliens can vote.

>>6383670
But it's been discussed on lot on /lgbt/, /pol/, and /b/. Tons of people on 4chan and off of 4chan gave a shit. Mods have been deleting the threads here when they become to Islamaphobic. Hopefully the next time something like this happens the shooter is Christian so we can openly talk about homophobia in religion

>>6383948
>Islamaphobic
kill yourself, im serious

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>>6383950
Do you have some sort of problem with people pointing out that Islam isn't perfect and has some bigoted views?

>>6383954
you validate it when you use that word unironically

>>6383959
If I don't use it then how will Islamic apologists know that I'm talking about them and how much harm they're doing to the LGBT community?

>>6383963
just call them mudslimes like everyone else

>>6383940
And that's patently false

Potential voters have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That’s arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury.

You poltards sure love spewing bs

>>6383971
Good idea. That way the people enabling them will see that and just automatically tune us out and lose any chance of seeing concerns expressed from someone they don't think is just some /pol/tard pretending to be lgbt

"Helped" through gay conversion therapy, which has destroyed far, far more lives than the Pulse shooter.

Believe what you want to believe about Islam, but don't think for a fucking second that evangelical Christians and the /pol/ crowd give a shit about you.

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>>6383989
i agree, islam did nothing wrong fuck christianity

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>pissing contest on who hates gays the most/least between Christanity and Islam
>literal chosing between plague or cholera
It's almost like the only socio-political organisation to ever give a shit about the gays is the very secular, liberal leftism this board spends 99% of it's time making fun of and deriding. You're welcome, guys, you're fucking welcome.

>>6383989
This. It doesn't matter who, they're all out to get us. Because these whoresons won't tolerate anything that deviates from the norm, from tradition.

The only allies we had, liberals, have been infested and bought up by corporate shills masking as progressives.

There's no one left to us, but us. That's really it.

>>6384474
>pissing contest on who hates gays the most/least between Christanity and Islam
Incorrect. The pissing contest only exists in the minds of the Islamic apologists who are trying to create a meme out of it. People who speak out against Islam are pro-Christianity. For some reason every time we say "Islam has some bad parts to it" some jerk pops up and says "And Christianity doesn't?" and claims that what we were saying. Never assume that someone pointing out the flaws is Muslims culture/region is someone who's praising or making excuses for Christianity unless they're wearing a cross or something. The majority of us hate both and don't need your commie nonsense to do it

>>6384474
Yup, especially when you see these so called christians praising the attacks. A fucking pastor said he wasn't even sad about the attacks, because we are sodomites, pedophiles, and sinners. He's not the only example, people for themselves can go on news articles and look at the comments section. I was on Breibart news and saw christian douchebags calling us villains.

But hey let's vote the party that's full of people who hate us into power, so they can push us back down

>>6375516
Since when do US citizens ever give a shit about anything outside their borders? Lol, bad argument if you're trying to rationalize the Pulse Shooting. It should be a national tragedy.

Not that anon. But again with the cognitive dissonance.

>>6384474
ALL. MY. THIS.

Stop rationalizing this crime. Stop believing that anyone is on our side. Our only ally was bought up by corporate shills. And the conservatives and Islamist don't tolerate either of us. Raise your fucking voice instead of letting yourself get whipped into silence.

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>>6384531
>Raise your fucking voice instead of letting yourself get whipped into silence.
>mfw
Amen.

>>6384580
I'm mute you shitlord.
Do you even know how triggered I am right now.

>>6384585
No clapping either that's ableist AF

>>6384505
No sorry, I guess you're not choosing between plague and cholera then; you've chosen the cancer of right-wing ideologies. I mean they've tried to kill queers literally always, but I'm SURE that THIS TIME things will be different! So just keep on calling those liberal-leftist allies "cucks" and "numales" or whatever new meme you have in liue of an argument! TRUMP 2016!!

>commie nonsense
>liberal leftism
>these are the same in my twisted mind

>>6384585
You don't need an actual voice to raise your figurave voice, comrade. ;) Look at the picture; with silence and a simple gesture they said it all.

When do we stop shitposting and meming, when do we stop being arm-chair critics and philsophers? When do we DO something? Clearly the bs queers are facing isn't over, clearly there are plenty of people out there who want us dead - is this infighting and ironic bs all we have to come with in respone?

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>>6384585
Mute people can speak too my friend. Sometimes louder than those with a voice.

>>6384630
So true.

We have no allies anymore. Queer people are the only ones they can rely on anymore. And even we are split.

The times for us are getting darker.

>>6384630

And another one falls down to propaganda. You sheeple should not be allowed to vote. Liberal media has condemned the attacks. The distinction between liberal media and conservative is

conservatives blame all muslims. Every single muslim is the enemy. Whereas liberals know, that there's a distinction between normal people and radicals. Liberal media also knows that it's dangerous to attack muslims who already feel unwanted here thus spurring more attacks. Conservative media does not and will not look into these issues any further than muslims are evil.

>>6375725
>900 Refugees died
Oh no, 900 future shooters drowned trying to illegally enter a sovereign nation and displace its people? That's so heartwrenching, especially in light of recent events.

>>6384630
Are we witnessing the rise of the next Ben Garrison

>>6384688
Maybe we should just extermine them all, just to be safe? A "final solution", if you will, to the moslem problem. What's the worst that can happen?

>>6384668
Obviously not all Muslims are evil, retard. Nobody actually believes that.
What we do believe, and is true, however, is that wherever Muslims exist, there will be Islam-influenced terrorist attacks, attacks targeting LGBT people, they will push for Shariah, they will use violence and oppression to get what they want. It doesn't matter if only 30% of them are going to do it, do you eat a whole piece of meat only 30% covered in mold? Why should we even accept these barbarians with their shitty religion into our countries to begin with? They bring nothing but terrorism, censorship, women's oppression, and LGBT oppression. They literally set back all the progress we've made. The only one good thing imaginable they bring is maybe kebab shops and 7/11 workers. Is that worth all the fucking deaths caused by harboring them?

I'm voting for fucking Trump, I can't stand this shit anymore.

>>6384708
We should kick them all back to their sand holes where they came from, that's the best option. But since pussies like you would stand in the way, blocking more of these assholes from reaching our shores is the next best thing. Anything it takes to reduce the bloodshed caused by their dogshit religion.

>>6384602
You're doing the same thing the people who chime in with "Christians too!" do. I did not say that I or anyone else is siding with /pol/tards or any other right wing groups. Hating Christianity and Islam doesn't make me or anyone else an alt-right loony.
>commie nonsense
>liberal leftism
>these are the same in my twisted mind
You posted a pro-communist pic so I assumed you were a communist. I don't consider Communism and Leftist one in the same and no were in that post do I hint at it.

>>6384723
>>6384723
>Obviously not all Muslims are evil, retard. Nobody actually believes that.

You expect me to believe that. Especially coming from the party whose candidate said Mateen was a foreign born from Afghan. Please.

> Why should we even accept these barbarians with their shitty religion into our countries to begin with? They bring nothing but terrorism, censorship, women's oppression, and LGBT oppression.

Because they're already here, and there's nothing short of government sponsored genocide that will remove them. Do you really want to give the government that much power. The power to pick and choose groups of people. Say we don't kill them, we just get rid of them, somehow, what's to stop X group from removing Y group?

>They literally set back all the progress we've made.
Bitch, where? Give me one example in the united states where progress has been set back?

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>>6384736
Cue the big government conservative

Hey, as a homophobic white Christian I really don't give a shit either way.

I'm going to stand back and watch how the coalition of the degenerate minorities and foreigners implodes in on itself as its constituency eats itself as the only thing in common they have is hatred of western society.

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>>6375445
>mfw repressed
>mfw this happens

HAHAHA feels good

Build your house on the rocks faggots

>>6384761
>and there's nothing short of government sponsored genocide that will remove them
What about rounding them up and deporting them to another country, like Sweden, that will take them? Americans won't have Muslims, Sweden will have more, and those Muslims will have a higher standard of living. Nobody dies and everyone wins

>>6384791
Someone call the FBI, we have a potential killer here!

>>6384778
>big government
>conservative
Are you literally retarded?

>>6384811
Oh my god, you're literally giving whichever party is in power the ability to pick and choose people for exile. Once given the power to exile muslims, do you think the government will willingly give up that power? Expanded government is not the solution.

>>6384668
You're a fucking retard.

>>6384827
lol actually you are because you don't understand figurative speech and what an oxymoron is. Also you can't understand that the policies you retarded conservatives are pushing requires big government.

Fuck off

>>6384836
I agree. The government should only be big enough to provide the conveniences we want them to and small enough that we can oust whoever in power turns on us. I was just pointing out that genocide was not the only option for big gov intervention

>>6384850
I'm actually not.. Maybe I've lost some brain cells from seeing shit for brain poltards post babble. But you cannot deny the veracity of my comments.

>>6384827
I don't understand where this concept of conservationism = small government came from.
There can be authoritarian and libertarian conservatives and authoritarian and libertarian leftists.
It's so much more nuanced then "muh big/small gov't"
and most people usually prefer it bigger in some areas and smaller in other regards.

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>>6384761
>Because they're already here, and there's nothing short of government sponsored genocide that will remove them. Do you really want to give the government that much power. The power to pick and choose groups of people. Say we don't kill them, we just get rid of them, somehow, what's to stop X group from removing Y group?
When you start eating berries and keep having diarrhea splatter shits and feeling nauseous, you don't keep fucking eating them. What kind of backwards ass logic is this? "Oh Muslims are already here so let's just keep importing more of them." Are you for real stupid? And like I said removal of Muslims already here is simply a fantasy, I don't believe it can actually be done. Why? Because the government DOESN'T have that much power, it has to be voted on by the people. And the people are still too ignorant at this point to realize what a malignant tumor Islam is, which is why it's not being removed yet. But hopefully one day, it will be.

>Bitch, where? Give me one example in the united states where progress has been set back?
Oh I don't know, how about every single Muslim community in their home countries, as well as the ghettos they've formed in their host countries, all across the globe? Where if you walk through it as an openly gay man, a Jew, a woman with her ankles exposed, or a child, you're going to get assaulted and raped/sold in a sex ring? You're completely ignorant of reality. Stop this doublethink, Islam is the absolute worst thing on this Earth for LGBT people. Stop trying to protect the people who want you dead. You're suicidal.

>>6384474
Where would you rather live, faggot, a christian country or the middle east? oh but never mind that, keep pretending they are equally bad.

Christians: say mean things, won't bake cakes
Mudslimes: ALLAHU ACKBAR HANG THE FAG CUT HIS THROAT

anyone who denies the difference is an islamist shill and should be laughed at

>>6384474
>>6384907
>>6384922
(You)

>>6384952
(((you)))

>>6384922
ideologically they are the same.
there are more violent Muslims sure.
but if you are gonna defend or say non-violent Christians are fine I don't see how you can't also hold that standard for non-violent Muslims.

We should be criticizing the doctrine, not fear mongering about the people

>>6375445
LGBT will always be a fringe group minority and frowned upon by society. It's the just the way of things.

>>6384965
christianity created the western world, that's why it can stay, but islam needs to fuck off

>>6384965
Jesus was a peaceful guy who taught tolerance and literally let himself be killed in the service of others.

Mohammed raped a 9 year old, beheaded people on a regular basis and literally wrote the book on how to invade and conquer others.

Islam's deepest taproot is violence, it cannot be compared to Christianity. Even in the middle ages warriors were told by the church they were probably going to hell for doing violence and had to do penance. In Islam warriors are rewarded for their violence.

Not that any of this really fucking matters, I wish Christianity wasn't brought up every single time the problem of Islam is brought up.

>>6375445
I'm bothered by the fact liberals are downplaying it

>>6384954
{{{yOu}}}

>>6384978
the enlightenment is usually where most of the ideas and values we attribute to the western world today came from.
Usually in direct opposition to Christianity and the church.
>>6384982
i'm not saying the religions are completely comparable.
but they are both abrahamic religions, there is a basis in the bible for hating gays, the church used to kill people for being gay. there are still Christians today who will cherry pick and ignore the good stuff Jesus said and hate gays.
they aren't violent granted.

I'm not trying to pass the buck to Christianity, I am simply saying if non-violent Christians are tolerated regardless of the bad shit in the bible why should we not tolerate non-violent muslims regardless of the bad shit in the quran.

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>>6375445

>50 innocent people were killed

well...........

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>>6384737
>You posted a pro-communist pic
Yeah I was joking; pay attention to the words and not the joke-pics and memes.

>I did not say that I or anyone else is siding with /pol/tards
Jumped the gun then, didn't I? My apologies. What IS your position, then?


>>6384836
This. It's not about loving moslems, or even denying the problems inherent in the religion and ideology of Islam. It's about asking whether it is prudent to set a legal precedent where the government has the power to deport people or deny them entry based on their ethnicity, without conseqence or without them being found guilty of any crime. Yes, ETHNICITY, because you can't damn well tell what people BELIEVE since they can LIE about that, you have to resort to discriminating based on ethnicity and/or origin.

Pic somewhat related.

>>6384977
bitch please, you aren't a fringe group, you're mainstream. You fell for the fucking meme and now you are nothing but a fucking label. Stupid fuck

>>6384867
He cannot, hence him resorting to insults instead. Don't get mad, it's basically /pol/tard-speak for "I concede that you've won the argument".

>>6375445
>we want them "helped"... to the gas chambers

>>6385145
lol so much hate inside of you young blood.

I went to a vigil for the victims, and I was kind of annoyed about how they talked about gun control during it.
I understand their view point of why it would be appropriate, but I just don't think it's the time nor place.

We're here to gather and mourn and respect those who were effected. I don't want to argue about guns. Can't we all just hold hands and think about how scary homophobia is and how grateful I am for people in my community who accept me?

>>6383989
/pol/ and christians may not give a shit about the gay community, but they certainly give a shit about foreign threats killing our own people. Liberals seem to be perfectly fine if muslims come in and slaughter their own kind. Which would you rather side with: a group that wants to take out radical islamists or a group that deluded by stockholm syndrome?

>>6385120
>What IS your position, then?
I've always considered myself a liberal by classic standards

>>6385243

but anon, this is a great opportunity to talk about gun control. everyone is angry and emotional and irrational. that's what you need to pass this stuff.

you can't get people to agree to gun control when they're calm and collected. don't you know that?

seriously, liberals have been writing in public for years that their strategy is literally to ride every tragedy they can all the way through congress. they know that it won't work any other way.

>>6385390
As opposed to the republicans who use it to fear monger about immigrants and Muslims and to start wars

>>6385413
Isn't that just another reason why it's a scummy thing to do? Being like the Republicans is not ok

The narrative is this: rich college graduates with connections to international corporations are correct. Their opinions, which are correct, are:

The class just beneath us is terrible. Poor white people are terrible. Small white employers are terrible. The class just beneath them we never interact with except to give them middle class money and ask for their votes.

Poor white people are Christian, so Christianity is terrible. Religions that aren't Christian are therefore good.

Poor white people have a tradition of keeping firearms, therefore guns are terrible.

Their frictions with the class beneath them, poor black and brown people, are reprehensible. How dare these underlings look down on anyone?

Poor white people are homophobic, therefore homophobia is terrible. The majority of gays are necessarily white and poor, therefore non-Christian brown people are less terrible than they are, therefore rappers and muslims get a free fagbashing pass along with their foodstamps and military equipment.

>>6385458
...Republicans traditionally represent military-industrial corporations and foreign resource corporations. They have the angry, steak-eating, team-sports watching demographic on lock, so it's easy for them to advocate adventurism, which they and their allied corporations use to pocket taxpayer money.

The Democrats traditionally represent transnational corporations, and they rely more on pork barrel environmental and social projects to pocket taxpayer money. They advocate internationalism so that their corporations can benefit from foreign slave labor and imported illegal labor. They have a devil's bargain with the black "working" class.

So really elections cycles are more about rival factions of the upper class and their useful idiots below. Ideology is just the color of their chess pieces, completely irrelevant.

Trump represents the middle class. He wants to shut down both adventurism and globalist trade. Some say he's a traitor to his class, but I don't think he ever felt at home in it. He's more of a cowboy than George Bush ever was.

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>>6385413
>constant Islamic terror attacks
>calling this out is fear mongering
Is it possible to unfuck your brain?
Bet you're one of those lunatics who say "The worst part of this latest terror attack was that it proved Islamophobes right :( "
Scary how deluded you people are, your heads are in the wrong place and you're all mixed up.

>>6382091
The shooter died during the attack. What are you talking about?

>>6375445

Things tend to be buried when white people are explicitly or implicitly to blame. The media is too invested in its narrative to change it.

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>>6385519
>Islamic terrorist with Arabic ethnic roots kills homosexuals
>white people are to blame
Back to tumblr you subversive filth.

>>6385519
>>6385534

Whoops, actually meant to type aren't*

>>6385345
I'd rather flip them both the bird because both still kinda hate and want to kill me at the end of the day. I'd rather avoid black-and-white thinking and false dichotomies, and then organise with the reasonable people who want me to live and be happy, and there's actually plenty of those people, except they're currently being marginalised from the debate, because the media is all about extremes because that's what generates views/clicks. You don't have to choose between the plague and cholera; you don't have to choose between radical islamists and nazis. There are sides here besides those two and the stereotypical "liberal" hippe coward.

>>6385357
Kewl. I'm a democratic socialist by classical standards. Man, our sides usually hate each-other because of the different economic policies but we better watch each-others backs in this time of extremism vs. complacency... Like, can we have a side to this debate where I don't hate everyone from a moslem country and am happy when their kids die, but don't defend literal terrorists and accept their bullshit either?

Relevant: Swedish Green Party lets their quasi-"liberal" touchy-feely acceptance bullshit lead to them being literally infiltraded by radical islamists:
http://www.thelocal.se/20160423/green-party-may-have-been-infiltrated-by-islamists-researcher
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/sweden-green-party-infiltrated-islamists-160426130534157.html

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Join /pol/
We're the almighty, we possess meme magic to save you from ISIS

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>>6385657
We love you!

>>6375445

>terrorist attack

It was a repressed homosexual who frequently visited the bar and had an account on gay dating apps.

He had no political motive. It's funny that ISIS took credit for some free publicity, but it's not a terror attack. Just a guy with mental issues that didn't get the help he needed.

>>6375484
>>6375927

fucking bullshit. The left is just as much saying Islam is to blame and just as bigoted as the right against Muslims.

Only the right thinks the left isn't as racist as you idiots.

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>>6385666
You are very pretty
>dem trips
Hello Satan

>>6385706
The shooter said to the police that he supported several Islamic terrorist groups.
I'm not saying any of the groups were behind it, but he did

>>6385605
>Like, can we have a side to this debate where I don't hate everyone from a moslem country and am happy when their kids die, but don't defend literal terrorists and accept their bullshit either?
When most people, in my experience, say they hate Muslims or whatever they're not saying they hate that person as a whole. They hate the culture that comes with being Muslim. They hate that they are a Muslim especially when Muslims choose to ignore the problems within their own community due to a tribalistic mentality. Only rednecks, /pol/tards, and Israelis actually cheer the deaths of Muslims

>>6385714
>Islam
>racist
kek you retard. also look at >>6385706
leftists are already trying to change the story and say it had nothing to do with the fact that he was a radical muslim and listened to his imam that preached death to gays. they're trying to say it was some elliott rogers tier bullshit, in order to not blame radical islam.

>>6375463
>hate crime
Religious crime. Islam.

>>6375684
sage

>>6375445
>we want them helped, they want them dead
How about they don't exploit this tragedy to pat themselves on the back for being less shitty to us

>>6385706
>It was a repressed homosexual

Because Islam and his society told him that Homosexuality is the worst thing imaginable, and that they deserve death. He struggled with these issues for years. Likely had tons of self-loathing.

>He had no political motive.

He called 911 to pledge alliegence to Islamic State and he praised the Boston Bombers.

Islam gave him the perfect out to his problem. He kills gays, which he hated because of his issues, and he gets to die as a martyr. That's a one way ticket to heaven. It's win-win for him. And who is telling him it's win-win? Islam.

When was the last time a Christian repressed gay shot up a gay bar killing 50 people? They often just kill themselve.s

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>>6375445
>/lgbt/ trying to politics
>anti-american regressives everywhere

Beautiful. I hope the kebabs shoot you fags over and over again, until you join the right side.

>>6386070
>regressive
I never got the bigot's use of that word. What are we regressing towards? When was it ever not ok to be homophobic or otherwise bigoted before?

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>>6375445
>the biggest mass shooting in american history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_of_Native_American
Not even close.

>>6375517
They died BECAUSE they were shot you moron.

I'm a pretty milquetoast liberal when it comes to politics desu but I've never understood the thing with guns and I wish someone could explain it to me.

Social progress and political reform is cool and all, but if this has highlighted one thing for the public it's that there are still people in the country who want gays dead. I get that guns are scary and I get that you don't want people on the terrorist watch list running around with assault rifles, but if a bunch of assholes want to kick my teeth in for going out in public with a boyfriend, why wouldn't I want a gun?

If you take away all the guns nobody can shoot anybody which is cool and all, but we're a minority population and we're always going to be, so I would rather have some sort of equalizer to leverage against strength in numbers?

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>tfw straight as an arrow
>tfw browse this board only for the past 2 days since the shooting out of curiosity
>tfw seen how left and right trying to court this community, both online ans off, for political scoring points

I'm sorry. I really am. Fuck, even /pol/ and /k/ were unironically trying to recruit you guys as warm bodies into the culture war. Not going to be sappy or try to bullshit you but I really do apologise for the way straight people have been so callously interacting with your community since this shooting.

I hope all of you stay safe.

>>6386113
those filthy injuns had it coming

>>6386113
You know the messed up reason why that kind of stuff isn't counted? Because native americans have only received universal american citizenship since 1924.

>>6375530

Sauce of that cunt making that poor girl love niggers?

>>6386241
Thanks, anon.
Many people cope with this tragedy by trying to gain control over the situation. By feeling like they can make a difference.

I just want to clutch my partner (read: dakimakura) and grieve.

>>6375445
Some people care, but what is truly disgusting is the ( many ) people who try to use a massacre for their own gain. Just look at how shamlessly people have tried to court our community just so they can use it to strenthen their own agenda. It's not saying "this happened in part because of this" is neccusarily bad, it's saying "heyyy, we hate you fags and trannies but come over here and say how terrible ____ is and how much our group likes you over ____ group".

>>6385976
Exactly, but this rather rational attitude has a risk of being co-opted by actual racists who just hate the s.c. "shitskins". Evidence: all of 4chan. And the "liberal"* fear of seeming "racist" for daring to criticise any aspect of any culture just fuels that flame: people observe that the only ones targeting their enemies seem to be racists, and assume that the old adage is true and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend... Black-and-white thinking, like in >>6385345 is the end result.

We lack a third option - one that is strongly against ALL religious fundamentalism and does not discriminate, but still recognises the fact that in this particular period of time Islamic fundamentalism simply happens to be the most problematic form, and that Christian fundementalism might exist but that there is no Christian State waging war on the rest of the world. An option that is not racist or presents simpleminded and dumb solutions like "lol build a wall" or "just kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" or whatever platitude attracts the most idiots. An option that looks closely at the problem, and it's historical and political roots, and tries to actually resolve it and prevent this kind of fundamentalism from taking root again, while shilding as many people as possible (and that's ALL people, even those from predominantly moslem regions) from fundamentalist violence.

I believe a broad collaboration between the "right" and "left" (inlcuding liberals, moderates and whatever else that isn't batshit crazy) is needed here. We have our differences, to be sure, but surely we can all agree on the basics here?


*i.e. the pussies who get labeled as liberals, but actually aren't classical liberals in the Lockian or Ricardian sense.

>>6385988
>leftists
Bro, listen. Like, really listen to what I'm about to say.

I'm a Marxist. I'm a literal Marxist. A Communist. Red to my very soul. As Left as they come. Listen. Radical Islam is a terrible threat to western civilization and all the values we hold dear, and the pussified quasi-liberal, semi-lefist apologetics of fundamentalism are letting wolves into the sheep-pen. They're being taken advantage of by an enemy that laughs at their stupidity and their idiocy will be the death us of.

The problem isn't the "left". Actual Leftists are fighting ISIS as we speak. It's that we don't have an actual "Left" in the West to speak of; we have Carl the Cuck and AIDS-Skrillex sceaming about identity politics and feeling superior to everyone because they have the right oppinions. Is there an organised working-class? And ARMED working-class? The Left in the West has basically died out, and these annoying idpol hippe weaklings just somehow ursurped the name for reasons that are currently unknown to man or God.

>>6386424
Moderates don't get to create paradigm shifts. Mandela, King, and Ghandi were extreme in their views and dedication to their causes.

>>6386466
Should have clarified: moderate in political leaning, i.e. centrist or centre-right/centre-left, NOT in their actions or dedication.

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>>6375445
Homosexuals just shouldn't be allowed food.

The presence of one near me makes me physically sick, gay """men""" eat the ass and swallow the intestinal bacterial load of their multiple partners of which they promiscuously fuck every other week.

When you have a multitude of bacteria from multiple partners that give rise to a generous flora of bacteria that will cause stank. As in if you get bacteria that process sulfur from the gut and they take in residence in your upper intestinal tract, you will smell like sulfur AKA shit.

I have encountered multiple homosexual """men""" in the past few years and you can actually smell their faggot shit breath which has defaulted to their natural faggot breath smell and it is absolutely fucking nauseating.

>>6386474
>The presence of one near me makes me physically sick, gay """men""" eat the ass and swallow the intestinal bacterial load of their multiple partners of which they promiscuously fuck every other week.

Bro I'm as straight as an arrow and I eat more ass than colon cancer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddG7aUWdTAs

>>6386463

In the west we have:

>Corporate Left
>Post-Modernist Left

That's it mostly. The Corporate Left killed the workers left decades ago. There's a lot of problems and anger, so the post-modernist "SJW" Left has filled the void. They portray themselves as progressive, and the internet helps them spread their ideas. Their goals are fine, but their analysis is very simplistic, very black/white, very rooted in American politics.

The Atheists were very, very critical of Islam and other religions. But they got trashed hard by the Left. Remember how Richard Dawkins was considered one of the cool scientists just a few years ago? He spoke out against Islam though. And he's "a fucking white male" so that's a sin. So the left has done everything to bury him. The current Atheist-left is very weak, very divided. Most are SJW types now. They tried to turn the atheist movements into their own SJW movements and it destroyed them.

We really need an atheist center-left right now. Critical of all religions. Their voices are really needed in times like this.

We need a Workers left. Sanders is one of the last remnants of that, but again, the Corporate Left did it's best to kill him and his movement.

>>6386474
will u give it a rest

>>6384668
You do know that the average muslim is an ultraconservative compared to the average catholic?

>>6386516
When was the last public execution for a gay man in the West?
I hope you're joking?

>>6384668
>Whereas liberals know, that there's a distinction between normal people and radicals.
Right, the problem is that liberals don't know when the line is crossed between radicals and neutral muslims. Look at these numbers, the number of people who support ISIS is ridiculous.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

>>6384668
>Liberal media also knows that it's dangerous to attack muslims who already feel unwanted here thus spurring more attacks. Conservative media does not and will not look into these issues any further than muslims are evil.
Hello there, 2004. Enjoy your innocence while it lasts.

>>6386561
...Also, are you German? Germany tends to be behind the times on this kind of thing. Michael Moore is probably still considered cool there.

>Sir, what do we do, these innocent women and children are drowning trying to escape their horrible terror ridden countries
>nothing, there's a possibility they could kill some people
>why should the innocent have to pay fo-
>Shhhhhhhh... terrorists.... muslims...

>>6386424
I say withdraw NATO altogether from the Middle East, recognize ISIS as a political state and say fuck it

They keep saying they want to kill us because they are autistic as shit and can't stand (mostly Christian) soldiers being stationed or deployed in their lands

Thats what pushed Osama over the edge to finance 9/11. He was mad about American soldiers being stationed in Saudi Arabia so close to Mecca during Desert Shield (never mind they were protecting it from Iraqi invasion but again ultra religious autism). Let them fight each other into the 30th century over whose definition of an, immaterial by nature, abstract concept. Just stop fucking with the whole region.

(Side question, what did Brussels do according to ISIS to warrant an attack? I know ISIS claimed they attacked France over the enforcement of the no-fly zone over the Libyan civil war)

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>>6386576
Forgot my pic of the innocent women and children.

>>6386576
I don't like Islam but this is how I feel about the refugee crisis.

All our nations signed the universal declaration of human rights. Getting asylum in another country if you are in serious threat of death or displacement in my opinion is still a human right regardless of anyone's feels. I don't like Islam, but who gives a shit what my opinions are when innocent peoples lives are at stake.

I think Germany is doing the best job by acknowledging there are huge cultural differences between Euros and refugees and passing out those pamphlets about sex and consent.

>>6386579
If NATO stopped attacking, and let the war between those :
1. Middle Eastern refugees would keep coming.
2. Whoever won would get stronger over time.
3. Muslims in EU/USA would keep doing terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS

>>6386616
But why would they attack us if we just said fuck it and let them duke it out?

>>6375445
Boston, Paris, Brussels, Orlando, why do you think the left now cares

There are more Muslims than gays, so they will side with the Muslims they can ultimately get more votes from. Double sided fucks.

>>6386615
>innocent peoples lives are at stake.
They aren't. Most of them aren't, anyway. However, they all are put in danger by human traffic between the Middle East and Europe just to get there. Remember the boy who drowned? Besides, it would be 12 (IIRC) cheaper to keep those people in safe zones with the same resources they'd get from the EU governments.
They come for better living conditions and welfare, which is why almost no immigrant wants to go to Portugal lol...

>>6386507
You're a smart fellow, friend. Especially the part of their goal not being wrong per se, just their analysis being shallow, is something I've often repeated on this very site.

The "Left" tried to do to Hitchens what they did to Dawkins, and did not really succeed. Hitchens was more eloquent, more charming, more of an actual Leftist, and he also expected that sort of BS and knew just how to counter it.

>atheist centre-left working together with a worker's left
A-anon-kun, h-how do you know my wet dreams?
>>6386579
>recognize ISIS as a political state
>what did Brussels do according to ISIS to warrant an attack
The fact that the answer to the second part is "exist" shows why the first part can never work. They aren't a country like others; they literally want everyone who is not them to die. They'll keep attacking the West and commiting acts of terrorism. Their whole shtick is to provoke more wars, which will radicalise more people. They don't even care about which way people are radicalised - turning more people into radical Christian crusaders who want an all out East-West confrontation on a global scale is an explicit goal they have and are 100% honest about. Western islamophobia is something they are purposefully cultivating, and responses like those of Trump and his ilk play right into their hands.

Recognising them might only give them some legitimacy and allow them to fund terrorist crap while denying it (not that they WOULD deny it, they'd brag). Not that they even give a shit about infidels "recognising" them - they are, in their own eyes, the only TRUE nation since they are true to Islam.

>>6386620
Because they want to kill us all. And not just the West, but literally everyone who is not them. Including other moslems. Including fucking Al Qaida. Everyone. Their goal is not independence: they want a global war where their side and their side alone survives. These are not people who can be placated by some symbolic political gesture.

>>6386653
*12 times

>>6386620
Muslim extremists hate gays, Christians and other religions. They also hate any symbolism of Muhammad, and jokes about their religion. Some hate women's sexual liberation.
Plenty of reasons for them to go crazy and bomb Western locations.

>>6386608
>men dont deserve to be saved
Thats a little sexxist there, bud

>>6386709
Saved from what? They should be saving their own territory.

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>>6386511
Never, plus we need something to do while watching this shit show lol see what i did there! while we watch you all fight and cry over a pretty clear reason as to why this hiv bloodbath occurred