Scientific and Medical professionals release a shocking statement

I'm in no way interested in reading anything straight people have decided.

>>5891430
Link:
>http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

>>5891433
>i'm in no way interested in facts or reality

from reading some of the other articles on there site it looks like there trying to push there own agenda

>>5891430
>Pre-puberty transition is retarded
>98% of boys get over the thought that they're a girl
This "Pre-puberty transition" meme needs to stop

>>5891444
>implying straight cis scientist won't put their own biases into their findings

My mind agrees. My penis does not.

What now bitch

>>5891463
>i do not understand science or academic peer review

>>5891444
The American College of Pediatricians is just another hate group using a name similar to that of an official association. In this case, the American Academy of Pediatrics.

This isn't a "release", it's just another batch of hastily-assembled mesh of factually-incorrect research stretched out over an opinion that was never questioned.

>>5891463
>Genetic Fallacy
WEW
LAD

>>5891444
I'm not interested in anything that gives straight people a job, or life. I would quit breathing air if it meant that no straight people would ever get to enjoy it again. Your kind are shit.

What irks me about this is that they don't bring up the fact that gender identity is indeed a physical trait held in a certain structure in the brain. Being trans isn't made up and I am sick of people thinking it is. Sure there are posers and liars but for the majority of trans people we are in pain and transition is the only cure thus far. What happened to brain research, did everyone abandon it to argue about social bullshit?

>>5891472
>>5891470
Damn son, Poe's Law is at it again

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>>5891470
>everyone i disagree with is a hate group
>everything i disagree with is hate speech

>>5891472
>i am mentally damaged beyond repair yet somehow still permitted to vote and receive benefits

this group supports abstinence education over normal safe sex education and also has it out for planned parenthood if you look at the rest of the site, its obvious someone is trying to push there bullshit here

>>5891490
If I were to do a Reliability Analysis, I'd probably put this at "Cautiously Reliable".
First off, it's unreliable because of the bias you pointed out and they really do support abstinence sex ed, but I didn't find any anti-PP shit.
It's reliable because it was peer reviewed by another uni, but, only one. It'd be more reliable if it was peer reviewed more.

Thus, considering the bias, it's still reliable, so you shouldn't dismiss the findings. Although if someone's willing to do a deep analysis feel free to do so since this was p.much a summary analysis

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>>5891505
there is obvious bias are you kidding me?

>>5891482
>I'm straight dogshit and I am still straight dogshit meme dank!

>>5891510
That's not even the actual fucking researchers you piece of shit liar

>>5891518
go look at the other articles you retarded moron its obvious as fuck

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>>5891515

>>5891430
>Scientific and Medical professionals release a shocking statement on sexuality!

Nothing really shocking about it since the American College of Pediatricians is thoroughly discredited political group. The organization was actually founded solely to spite the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples. Despite its name, there's nothing scientific about it.

The group also opposes vaccinations and the legalization of marijuana, encourages corporal abuse against children, is opposed to abortion and euthanasia, and pushes for abstinence-only sex education.

>>5891476
every part of "identity" is held in some structure of the brain, doesn't mean it's essentially rooted in the brain from the birth, and it doesn't change the fact that gender is in fact a social construct and that one can live by that social code despite having some insignificant brain pattern
you trutrans people really are delusional

>>5891522
>Genetic Fallacy
>AGAIN
Come on man

>>5891538
go look at those other organizations and garbage on that site and seriously tell me there is no bullshit going on

of course this is trolling and this obviously christianity-inflected science could only come out of america

not a tranny nor do i even really sympathise but this definitely belongs in the trash

>>5891527
Why is it pedophile always like to post pictures of laughing things?

>>5891430
>The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.[1][2] The group's membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members.

You're literally quoting a fringe group that was thrown out cause they declared jihad on liberal western values.

They're a laughing stock you sad man.

>>5891430
>trans is mental disorder
it's a neurological disorder, stop overstepping your mark.
>gender is a social construct
i guess they believe brains are socially constructed during gestation too.
>the "gender variance is a phase" meme
quoting the DSM as well, baseless and written by a bunch of fluffy psychiatrists who don't into science.

they're constructing an entire straw man whilst not disproving the existence of GID as it presents and persists within an adult population who were not exposed to this kind of socialising as a child. of course due caution should be exercised, i don't dispute that there probably are children who mistake phases of gender variant behaviour for something more severe if prompted improperly by adults. but that doesn't refute that for some children, it is as neurologically hard wired as it will ever be and childhood and early adolescence afford plenty of time to make sure treatment is right for them, and should not be withheld if it is.


>>5891454
pretty much

>>5891467
in principle it should work, but in practice, large amounts of junk with poor control of variables and small study groups are published all of the time.

>>5891467
It wasn't peer reviewed. In fact the apa disgraced Paul and threw him out for academic fraud.

>>5891430
There's already an accepted study proving the opposite... So no, this has no attention, I don't even know why you'd post this here, since it belongs in >>>/pol/

>>5891591
link to study?
helps if you cite your claims, for both those who disagree and agree with you.

>>5891482
Groups assembled to oppose the rights and well-being of a class of people are counted among hate groups.
The ACoP was assembled to oppose the rights and well-being of gays and lesbians.

Do you really quote from organizations without any research of your own?

>>5891482
>crackpots kicked out of ama and other groups are legit
Heh

>>5891482
>i dont understand academia and think a bunch of random religious fanatics making a list of their opinions with no research or unbiased statistics to back it up is "fact"

>>5891594
http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1635&pk_association_webpage=4905
Here, the apa DSM and wpath committees all said the study Paul tried to cite proves him wrong.

>>5891482
>>everyone i disagree with is a hate group
>>everything i disagree with is hate speech
Nice ad hominem, lad. The ACP is a socially conservative group with only a few hundred members, they're just an anti-LGBT group masquerading with an official sounding name. They were literally formed to prevent gay couples from adopting. The actual legit organization is the AAP, with 300 times as many members. And their statement is signed by Paul McHugh of all people, the guy who was kicked out of medicine for blatantly misrepresenting research on trans people. He's also a Christian fundamentalist who thinks underage rape victims should be required to carry their children to term.

>>5891536
The area of the brain that controls gender identity is known to not be susceptible to neuroplasticity, it's basically unchangeable after early development. That's why it can't be treated with drugs or therapy. And if you think you can just "live by that social code despite having some insignificant brain pattern", why don't you try living full time as the opposite sex for just a week? Clearly you believe it's possible. Any argument against the legitimacy of trans people's genders is just as much an argument against the legitimacy of the genders of cis people.

>>5891538
It's not a genetic fallacy. It would be that, or maybe ad hominem, if someone made a valid argument which was rejected because of who they are. However, being skeptical of unsupported claims from a clearly biased source is not a fallacy, if anything it's the opposite.

I love these groups that name themselves something really similar to a well-known, well-reputable group. They're hilarious. It's like when shitty scientists pad their credentials by paying to get "published" in "peer-reviewed journals" that have names almost identical to legit journals but actually just print the shit people pay them to run. I see what you're doing, and you look fucking dumb.

>"The ACPeds letter to the superintendents primarily addressed same-sex attraction, and recommended that “well-intentioned but misinformed school personnel” who encourage students to “come out as gay” and affirm them as such may lead the students into “harmful homosexual behaviors that they otherwise would not pursue"

These guys don't even believe gay people are real. Why listen to a word of them?

>>5892916
but muh confirmation bias!

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>>5892926
Oh, come on. My mum has a friend that honestly believes Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokemon are spreading the devil's gospel. She was the same person who printed pages and pages of 'research' from these guys to show to my mum, about how I'm going to hell, and that I'm living a sickness..

seems pretty normal in Thailand

>>5892926
A disgraced fringe group is still a disgraced fringe group no matter how much lipstick you try and put on

>>5892938
yeah. they latch onto these crackpot studies because it goes along with what they expect. that's confirmation bias.

Isn't this the same organization that thinks vaccines are evil and abstinence-only education works?

>>5892938
reminds me of evangelical fascination with Harry Potter.
It's just a fucking story, jeez! it's not satan weaving actual witchcraft into modern day society.

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>>5891430
It's just a BS scare sheet full of lies.

>>5893127
The pendulum has swung the other way now and the far left is attacking Harry Potter, calling it racist for casually mentioning that Native Americans exist in the HP world and that some of them are wizards.

>>5893165
Uh don't see that. I do see a pathetic group of disgraced former doctors who have been stripped of position by all other groups claiming that it's a ploy to make all kids gay or trans though.

Them citing studies that the apa says directly contradict them to claim some evil lgbt agenda shows just how pathetic they are.

And that's not even getting into the part about how they try naming themselves similarly to legit organizations to try and hide their disgraced status.

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>mfw transphobic gay people come out of the woodwork to defend an aggressively homophobic organization just because they happen to share a bias with it

>>5893165
Uh, I haven't heard anything about that. You don't get to characterize a group based on a handful of extremists with no significance in the real world.

All of those are true except #5.
It's just telling parents to be cautious.

>>5893407
They're going far beyond "telling people to be cautious" when they make blatant lies to make the cure sound worse than the disease. It's the difference between "look before crossing the street so you don't get hit by a car" and "look before crossing the street or you and everyone you love will suffer excruciating pain for all eternity".

I would appreciate a statement telling parents to be cautious if it weren't so obviously transphobic.

Families should be cautious about the decisions they make. It's reasonable to ask kids to wait until they're at least 16 to do shit like this.

I promise I'm not trying to turn people into hons.

>>5893421
>>5893421
I would thing "being cautious" would be an argument in favor of putting people on blockers at a young age. Choosing to go through natural puberty is just as much of a drastic decision as going on HRT is.

>>5893372
It's all over the news dude.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160311-history-of-magic-in-north-america-jk-rowling-native-american-stereotypes/

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/14/jk-rowling-comes-under-fire-from-native-americans-over-new-harry-potter-series-history-of-magic-in-north-america-5750936/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-native-appropriation_us_56eac8ace4b0860f99dbb98e

>>5893436

>letting your body go through literally one of the most natural processes inherent to a human being is drastic
>ingesting chemicals to fuck with your own body's development is being cautious

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

>>5893448
>one of the most natural processes inherent to a human being

you realize HRT makes you go through puberty too, right? just female instead of male or vice versa

>>5891430
amen

>>5893448
So I suppose you think we should put trans kids on cross-sex HRT immediately rather than messing around with blockers? After all, hormones result in something that's basically identical to natural puberty, just the opposite sex version.

>>5893490
>basically identical to natural puberty, just the opposite sex version.
No it results in demons and witchcraft

>>5891430

So a sourceless blog post from an offshoot of the AAP (because they got extremely butthurt about not getting their way) is supposed to be trusted?

>>5891430
>former psychiatrist in chief
Who lost his position and respectability by pursuing his personal agenda against trans people to the point that he relied on an obvious misinterpretation of data in his most famous and damning "study", which relied on the data of others who themselves condemned his academic dishonestly/incompetence.

>>5891458
That percentage is based on a study that counted ALL gender variant behavior as trans instead of actual diagnosed cases and counted all subjects that they lost contact with as having stopped trans inclinations, so obvious bs.

>>5891430
They're not wrong though. Moreover, the whole trans community needs to get the fuck back on earth. Some of them are so stuck up in their fantasy world where calling them with the right pronouns automatically, and magically, turns them into the opposite sex and failure of doing so results in you being labelled as an intolerant bigot. And don't come and tell me that GID isn't a mental disorder, otherwise trannies would be perfectly adjusted individuals after transitioning, which as far as I've seen, isn't exactly how things are. It's not just about feeling more appropriate in a different gender role, because that's entirely possible and understandable (and flexible), it's the whole fixation of mutilating and altering that creeps me out\makes me strongly believe it's mental. I'm more comfortable doing things normally done by men, not very feminine in my appearance, so I could easily say I'm more towards a "male" role, that I don't fit into the female stereotype. I'm not obsessed with the thought of having my breasts removed or my vagina altered in grotesque ways because it wouldn't change shit. No amount of mutilation and hormones will ever turn anyone into something they aren't.

>>5891430
I think I know the reason why 98% of guys and 88% of girls eventually accepts their biological sex
>It's because they gave up and they knew that puberty messed with them too much
>They gave up thinking that they could live on
>the years later, they start getting those feelings again and decide to transition to hons or manlets
>Something like dysphoria just can't go away
>It can be repressed, but It'll just come back
> Dysphoria can never go away

I know because when I was about 5 or 6 I was praying at night for god to make me a girl
That carried up all the way to now
I can agree with them some, but not all
and I don't care if this is a mental disease or not
It's me and I just have to accept that

>>5891568
Liberals should be put on a leash though, they'd use anything as an excuse for crying "oppression, fuck rich white males and normal people", normalizing freaks should never have happened. I know I'm not the norm, I don't give a fuck and do my business behind closed doors without giving hormones to boys playing with dolls and flaunting my cock-loving rage in front of the masses.

>>5891430
>The American College of Pediatricians
is a conservative, fundamentalist Christian pressure group, not a medical organization. It was formed in opposition to gay adoption. They have a lot of praise for reparative therapy and these statements pretty much mirror their views on cis GLB youth (ie most will turn out to be straight in adulthood, that their "behavior" should not be endorsed or even tolerated, and that doing so is harmful to their sexual development). Groups like this have been using trans children as a wedge issue (to great success, to date), with the goal of provoking an eventual backlash against recently secured gay/lesbian rights. Gay inc. ignores/entertains this bullshit at their own peril.

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>>5893448
You're playing doctor despite not having the qualifications.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1474442210701824

The puberty delaying meds aren't just fully reversible and safe. Adolescents who use them will grow taller and healthier than normal kids if they don't take sex hormones till later.

Really, the only thing it does is push puberty back to European levels. They have theirs later cause of low dietary fat and are better for it.

You don't have a right to abolish other people's bodily autonomy when you aren't even qualified to weigh in on the medicine.

>>5893564
I think refusing to correctly gender a trans person does make you pretty clearly a bigot. I'm not talking about when you slip up or don't know, I'm talking about the ones who are like "well you're still a man and I'm going to refer to you as such". It literally costs you nothing, the only logical reason for misgendering people is that you somehow gain pleasure from making them uncomfortable.

>>5893564
>A fringe group of disgraced doctors who got together to fight the "gay agenda" speak the truth
Right Ms.Hon

I'm sure you can tell me how a group created from a couple dozen people no longer allowed to practice medicine should be trusted over all the medical organizations here. https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/fs_professional-org-statements-supporting-trans-health_1.pdf

Why do you want to ban universally accepted highly effective medicine just on account of your feelings? What makes your infantile control fantasies more authoritative than every major medical organization in the States?

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MTF tranny here, who the fuck actually went into transition without knowing it's super bad for your health? I don't think anyone was this autistic, desu the doctor should tell them and their parents that it's awful for their health.

TLDR, HRT is bad for you, but should be soneone's choice.

Only reason to transition is if being your assigned sex makes you suicidal, in order to increase your lifespan.

>>5893564
>Jew doctors are all part of a tranny conspiracy
>They lie, only my tinfoil knows the true truth
>Government has to ban everything that makes me uncomfortable

>>5893630
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713

They aren't though, not according to the doctors. As safe as sugar pills according to all the largest studies.

>>5893633
I just wish the Nazi won the war

>>5893630
Is it really that bad for your health? I mean if you live in an unaccepting place it might cause problems with your mental health if you don't pass, but I wouldn't expect it to cause any problems other than that beyond what the dysphoria does in the first place.

>>5893620
Because that's how it works, right? Say something contrary to the almighty propaganda and you get banned from your profession. Makes perfect sense. Wake me up when we'll stop validating mental illnesses.

>>5893664
Did no one tell you about the osteporosis, blood clots and cancer risks. or did you think that pumping your system with hormones linked to tissue development was gonna be just OK?

>>5893643
Sure mate, go ahead, it's as safe as licorice. Nothing wrong with fucking up your body's natural state.

>>5893673
>Protocols of the elders of zion 2!
Right, keep telling me how all the evil jew doctors are oppressing you in some massive conspiracy.

>>5893664
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713
Is safe it seems
>>5893674
>>5893683
Well studies say it's safe so take it up with the researchers.

Also, women take deadly xenoestrogen contraceptives that kill thousands each year. Shouldn't you be worrying about that rather than this safe bioidentical stuff?

>>5893736
Not even saying they're oppressing me, just that there's some sort of massive effort to brainwash new generations into thinking mental deviation is a normal thing and no one is actually different, no such thing as a "delusional schizo" exists anymore. No, let's validate all of it, let's lead everyone to a progressive downfall

>>5893741
I'm actually cautious about the abuse of contraceptives too, people who don't want to procreate could stick to condoms or take it up the ass. Or fuck less maybe, but that's just me.

>>5893745
>massive effort to brainwash new generations

Uh, you're literally saying the medical community is part of some Illuminati group.

You're the literal archetype of a delusional schizo.

>>5893758
Have I said "illuminati" anywhere? No. Denying that there is always a certain trend the mass media and the big elites want you to follow is being blind though. Doctors come out of colleges, and are often part of elite social circles. Colleges are also the primal spring of indoctrination, because it's very easy to divert a person's opinion if you educate them a certain way. Not saying that every doctor actively wants to push propaganda on you, some just follow the medical trend that happens to be en vogue. Don't come and tell me that medicine has always been stationary and is set in stone, because it isn't. It's constantly evolving and changing, especially the branch regarding psychiatry. According to what, it's clear. Both new discoveries and the outlook of the moment.

>>5893673
>Because that's how it works, right? Say something contrary to the almighty propaganda and you get banned from your profession.
That's right! Start talking about the four humours or miasms, and you're "a quack". Challenge the Germ Theory of Disease and all of the sudden you're "dangerous" and "fringe". Fucking big pharma, man, they just wanna make us all sick and dependent so they can make more money. Just exploiting the huge and highly profitable Dysphoric Child demographic.

>>5893745
>Not even saying they're oppressing me, just that there's some sort of massive effort to brainwash new generations into thinking mental deviation is a normal thing and no one is actually different, no such thing as a "delusional schizo" exists anymore. No, let's validate all of it, let's lead everyone to a progressive downfall

Treating mental illness is "validating" it? What does that even mean? Oh yeah let's just tell people to suck it up and stop being crazy. ???

>>5893786
See, if the Nazi had won the war, genetic engineering would have prevented all of this shit. No batshit insane people around. If not genetic engineering, Tarpeian Rock.

>>5893674
Isn't osteoporosis caused by a drop in female hormone levels?

>>5893673
If you say something contrary to scientific consensus without providing proper support for it, of course you're going to lose your credibility.

>>5893683
Here's more of that "it's natural so it's safe" nonsense.

>>5893771
Of course the medical profession isn't static, but implying the changes are due to some SJW agenda rather than due to new findings is ridiculous.

>>5893795
Gender dysphoria isn't genetic. And killing trans people wouldn't fix it either, since stopping them from passing on their genes would obviously only eliminate genetic disorders. The only way you could conceivably prevent gender dysphoria is with nanobot brain surgery or eliminating natural birth and instead grow babies under precisely controlled conditions. And I don't think Hitler winning the war would make either one any more likely to exist today.

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>a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones

>implying testies/male bodies don't produce estrogen
>implying ovaries/female bodies don't produce testosterone

>cross-sex hormones
>toxic
Did a group of hons author the entire article or what?

The title of this thread is some gawker tier clickbait shit. I thought /pol/ hated that stuff? :^)

>>5894771
Only if it disagrees with them.

>>5894785
>when SJWs and /pol/ are literally the exact same thing.

>>5891430

so basically they're saying don't give it your kids unless you want them to die of cancer, stroke, or kill themselves

i think its a pretty good summation of why trans people are mentally ill

you can't give in to these sick fucks, they're so bought into their dillusions

>>5894399
estrogen and testosterone are very toxic, why do you think people have to keep drinking kale and activated charcoal smoothies to detox?

>>5891430
stopped at "The norm for human design.."

over zealous deists pretending they aren't just holding religious bias

>>5891430
More like The American College of Patricians

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>>5894812
you're only half-right, estrogen may be toxic to reproductive and breast tissue while it acts as an antioxidant in heart and some parts of brain

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>American College of Pediatricians
> "The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States."
>socially conservative
>" The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples."

So a socially conservative group who only came into existence to oppose gay adoption?
yep they totally aren't bias, or have some kind of agenda.
we can totally trust them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

>>5895150
I know right, I'm not a doctor and I can even refute what they're saying

eg: part 7 where they say
>Rates of suicide are twenty times greater
Comparing it to the normal population is not how this works. You don't test a new antidepressant by comparing to non depressed people, you compare to depressed people. Otherwise even if it did work to some degree, it will always be seen as ineffective.

>>5891463
hurry up and kill yourself, you waste of human life

>>5891430
>Human sexuality is binary by design with the obvious purpose being the reproduction
Ban birth control then.

>>5894790
The "delusional sick fucks" are those who insist on denying their children appropriate medical treatment simply because it goes against their worldview.

I agree with all of these points, This should go away from the medical realm into the psychological. People have to remember gender dysphoria is a mental disorder and you do not play around with mental disorders.

HRT and comedic surgery is not a cure, doctors need to stop pushing them as one.

>>5896110
>Implying Christian conversion therapy is the cure.

Back to /pol/.

The people who wrote that should be forcefed girl pills until they become addicted.

>>5896110
It may manifest with mental symptoms, but the cause is physical, that's why it can't be cured by therapy. The only actual cure would be to physically alter the structure of the brain, which is something we currently can't do safely. So since we can't actually "fix" someone's gender identity to match their body, the most we can do is help them to live with that conflict, which is what HRT does. It's not a matter of "if you can't cure the disease, you might as well do nothing", by that logic we shouldn't give wheelchairs to people who can't walk. The real goal is to improve someone's health and ability to live their life; if you can't cure the disease, you can at least take measures to make the symptoms less limiting. Which is what HRT does.

>>5891529
/thread

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>>5896122
>Christian conversion

Haha no. Accepting your body, your gender, and reality is the cure.

>>5896134
>if you can't cure the disease

But being gender variant isn't a disease, it just happens.

But gender dysphoria is, they even changed the wording so they wouldn't get triggered. They ask us to call them opposite sex pronouns even though they don't look like the opposite sex, and when we slip up, they get triggered.

They live their whole lives in fear and anxiety, HRT can make it worse and creates a co-dependency. They need mental help above all the medication and surgeries.

>>5891433
Lol, I'm gay and this has been coming for a long time.

It's not straight people vs. "us". It's trannies going against the medical community.

>>5891580
If gender is just some "social construct" then what is the point of playing dress up as an ugly woman?

>>5896184
>Haha no. Accepting your body, your gender, and reality is the cure.
You cannot be accepting of both your body and your gender when the two are in conflict.

>they even changed the wording so they wouldn't get triggered
They changed the wording because calling it gender identity disorder could be taken to imply that gender non-conformity is inherently a disorder.

>HRT can make it worse
[citation needed]

>They need mental help above all the medication and surgeries.
Mental health is already part of the treatment, but by itself it's not enough. Taking away the medication and replacing it with more talk therapy would just make things worse.

>>5896184
>Accepting your body

Of course that will happen after they get HRT and surgery.

>your gender

Yes when they are accepted as women.

>reality

Of course after the other two happens.

>>5896243
Trannies aren't the ones going against the medical community. It's the right-wing Christian fundamentalist hate groups that are doing that. Trannies for the most part are only seeking treatment for a medical condition. Whereas the hate groups think scientific research should only be accepted if it's consistent with their ideology.

>>5896250
Gender isn't a social construct.

>>5896243
>going against the medical community.

Socially Conservative Christian 50-200 member group ≠ Medical community

Here's what the APA says about gender dysphoria.

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

>>5896259
>Gender isn't a social construct.
Only when the argument isn't going your way.

>>5896282
Nah, "gender is a social construct" originated with John Money and was picked up by feminists, but is pretty much inconsistent with the notion of innate gender identity. The most we can say is that certain aspects of gender norms are learned, but gender roles still =/= gender.

>>5892380
>they're just an anti-LGBT group masquerading with an official sounding name.
But they are making some pretty good points about not giving 3 year olds hormones and plastic surgery like the rest of you nutjobs want.

>>5896296
>3 year olds hormones

Their given testosterone blockers starting when they reach 8-10 before puberty happens and fucks everything up.

>>5896296
>>5896296
>3 year olds hormones and plastic surgery like the rest of you nutjobs want
You're not educated on what you're arguing if you think anyone other than the looniest of loons is advocating that.

>>5896296
Pretty much no one is advocating that in the first place. The most that's done when it comes to 3 year olds is letting them crossdress, which is really a matter of freedom of expression and has nothing to do with whether they're really trans or not. And even by early adolescence they generally don't do anything more than put them on hormone blockers; actual HRT and surgery doesn't happen until they're adults.

>>5896243
>The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.[1][2] The group's membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members.[1][3]
stupid mentally ill faggot

>>5896322
>>5896319
>>5896311
no no no! Gosh no! We're just going to ignore the statement in Op's pic that condemns treating small children with hormone treatments while advocating for it our of the other side of our mouths. . .

>>5896243
>against the medical community
A group of sixty disgraced doctors who say they exist to fight the "gay agenda" aren't the medical community.

The ama APA aap, DSM wpath and every other medical organization says transition Is vital and effective. http://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/ll_trans_professional_statements.pdf

You're mentally ill enough to claim you know better than 99.9% of all doctors.

>>5896256
>of course they will start accepting their bodies after hrt!!

I guess all those trannies that killed themxirces really accepted their bodies for what they are

>>5896373
No one here is advocating ANY kind of hormone treatment whatsoever to 3 year olds. We are okay with giving blockers to 12 year olds diagnosed with gender dysphoria, because that's what is found to be the appropriate treatment.

>>5896448
More have accepted their bodies after HRT than commit suicide over it. And it's not like forcing them to pretend to be cis would improve their mental health either.

>>5896451
>We are okay with giving blockers to 12 year olds diagnosed with gender dysphoria
LOL, they can't diagnose most mental disorders for 12 year olds, but suddenly they can for GD and start treatment.

Tell me, if they decide they made a mistake are they mentally ill in your eyes? Maybe all children need hormone blockers according to you?

>>5896454
Who is forcing who to pretend here?

No one is "forcing" you to be the normal version of yourself you were born as. All this comes down to is that youre mentally weak. Mentally weak at others challenging your "sexuality" and so mentally weak you feel the need to define your status as a person around it.

We get it. Your pee pee doesnt fee fee right.

>>5896448
They don't http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1635&pk_association_webpage=4905

Multiple studies say that after transition mortality drops to the general pop level, a full recovery in other words.

Pathetic weak minded fool. Your delusions can't trump medicine.

>>5896464
Doctors can make mistakes, but I believe the rate of GD misdiagnosis is relatively low even for young people. And even if doctors do occasionally make mistakes, that doesn't make anyone mentally ill.

>>5896485
So you're okay with boys crossdressing and taking hormones to look feminine? Or is freedom of expression a sign of mental weakness?

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>>5896464
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1474442210701824

Meds are fully reversible and safe. The only thing they do is push high fat American puberties r around the time Europeans get theirs and that allows eurofags to grow taller and healthier.

We ain't gonna kill a bunch of doctors just cause weak minded fools like you are so frail that they get triggered by safe and reversible meds.

Get help, loony you aren't fit to manage your life let alone tinfoil about babies and doctors.

>>5896494
>multiple studies
> links to that website

And there are other studiesthat state the opposite, degenerate. But of course it must be THOSE studies with an agenda, not the ones from the always morally and socially correct gay people!!

>>5896504
Anon is too mentally weak. He gets triggered by femboys taking moans cause it conflics with the way he thinks things should be

>>5896504
Act any way you like, faggot, but giving kids hormone drugs because you think thats "expression" is retarded

>>5896519
> other studiesthat state the opposite

There aren't. The only study Paul tried to cite actually proved the mortality drops to normal after transition for everyone w after 1989. He barbecued his own point and the apa and others promptly called him out on it.

Cite some evidence, don't just tell me your feeble minded rants should count as more than studies cause of your feels.

>>5896519
Post those studies then. If you refuse to do so, we'll be forced to conclude that they don't exist, or that even you know how horrendously flawed they are. But if you're so confident in the validity of those studies, why don't you show them so we can judge for ourselves?

And by the way, calling people that disagree with you degenerate isn't going to make people think your rational and objective. It just makes you sound like some shitposter from /pol/ that has a nervous breakdown every time someone considers violating your sacred traditional gender roles.

>>5896527
They don't. They give fully reversible proteins that just use the body's natural regulatory system to delay puberty by a year or two.

That just means they get puberty at European timelines and grow larger and healthier for it. You just want to meddle in safe and reversible medicine why?

>>5896527
We don't give kids hormones, just hormone blockers. And it's just a way to AVOID forcing expression on them. Letting them take blockers means they can put off puberty until they're old enough to decide for themselves which kind of puberty they want. Forcing gender dysphoric children to go through natural puberty is child abuse.

>>5896537
Fair enough, maybe im thinking of post surgery trannies not hrt

>>5896557
Yeah that study talked about SRS, not HRT, and even then it doesn't say what Paul McHugh said it did. It didn't show that SRS made things worse, only that it wasn't perfect, but even then that only appeared in the pre-1989 data.

>>5891476
meth addicts have different brain scans too, this is the dumbest argument I've ever heard


also I'd like to hear a trans person address the 88% of girls and 98% of boys statistic
Do you think we should transition children knowing that 88% of girls and 98% of boys grow out of their confusion after puberty?

>>5896555
Would you really trust your pre-pubescant self to have that type of self awareness to choose your identity??

Okay maybe you do, do you trust all these other retarded little normies, because this thing is kind of hard to "prove". if you understand what im saying.

>>5896573
>meth addicts have different brain scans too, this is the dumbest argument I've ever heard
Yes, but do differences show up in areas of the brain not subject to neuroplasticity for meth addicts? They do for trans people, and that's the reason why it's believed you can't really "cure" someone of their gender identity.

>also I'd like to hear a trans person address the 88% of girls and 98% of boys statistic
I'd like to see an actual source on those statistics. They claim it's from the DSM, but I haven't been able to find anything about it. It's silly to make decisions based on statistics that you can't even find a source for.

>>5896595
No I wouldn't, and that's why I'm in favor of blockers. Pre-pubescent children don't really have the self-awareness to choose to go through natural puberty either.

>>5896573
Fabricated stats don't count for much. DSM never said that and the fact they couldn't cite a study just shows it's more lunacy from Tiny finge group that's been condemned by the DSM.

>>5896606
Because its not a choice... ???

>>5891430
Genders don't really exist. The SJWs should have fallen on that - just be who you be. Instead, they've taken to this ridiculous narrative of labels.

>>5896618
We can make it a choice though. Puberty, whether natural or artificial, involves really drastic changes. And I don't think it's logical to assume the "natural" version is somehow automatically better or safer. I think people should be free to choose which version of puberty they go through, once we have the technological ability to enable people to make that choice. And if they're not ready to make that choice in early adolescence, then there's no harm in waiting a few years until they are ready.

>>5896621
The social norms surrounding gender may have no concrete physical existence, but the vast majority of people accept it and so long as they do everyone is forced to operate within those norms. A person can't really choose to be seen as genderless, people will always see you as male or female. Personally I'm in favor of eliminating this notion of male/female gender and instead just having individual people with different traits, however most people don't accept that view.

>>5896631
>then there's no harm in waiting a few years until they are ready.

Agreed that by 9-10 they should be allowed puberty blockers to prevent changes like beard growth, masculine facial features and deep voice.

Or if the kid is ftm then blockers that prevent them from growing breasts.

>>5896642
>I'm in favor of eliminating this notion of male/female
please for the love of god advocate for this in public, people NEED to see how insane the progressive movement has become

>>5896252
>You cannot be accepting of both your body and your gender when the two are in conflict.

Which conflict? It's all in your head. Even the same doctors I went to said that.


>They changed the wording because calling it gender identity disorder could be taken to imply that gender non-conformity is inherently a disorder.

No, they changed it because they believed "gender identity disorder" wasn't a disorder and it failed because it has the same interchangeable meaning like: "sex" and "gender"

>>HRT can make it worse
>[citation needed]

Yes if you're un-passable or you look uncanny. Go to MtF gen right now.

>Taking away the medication and replacing it with more talk therapy would just make things worse.

I agree, but the plans need to be changed in order for them to accept their natural state without going too far.

>>5896555
>AVOID forcing expression on them
>puberty is forced expression

>>5896716
>Which conflict? It's all in your head. Even the same doctors I went to said that.
Just because it's in your head doesn't mean it's not real. Pretty much everything we do is regulated by what's going on in your head.

>Yes if you're un-passable or you look uncanny. Go to MtF gen right now.
If someone really is trans, they'd be better off as an unpassable hon on HRT than they would be living as a man. Either way, they don't look like a woman, but at least if they're on HRT having the right hormones in their system can help with dysphoria somewhat.

>I agree, but the plans need to be changed in order for them to accept their natural state without going too far.
And that's my understanding of how it's currently done. The talk therapy done alongside transition is to help people deal with the fact that they'll always be trans even if they successfully transition.

>>puberty is forced expression
It is, basically. It's non-consensual body modification. The only reason we consider it acceptable is because for much of history there wasn't really anything we could do about it.

>>5896741
Thats not the only reason we consider it normal. Lets not be delusional

>>5896791
It pretty much is, we accept it because we've been forced to, not because we particularly liked it. Dying at a young age used to be considered normal before modern medicine came along, but that doesn't mean it makes sense for us to start considering it normal again now.

>>5896808
the maturation of our youth is NORMAL because it allows them to pass on their genes to continue our species LOL
you act like a significant portion of mentally stable individuals would choose not to have puberty forced on them, and to instead remain androgynous girlyboys into adulthood

>>5896819
No, I'm not saying most would prefer not to go through puberty, I'm just saying people would prefer to be able to choose which version of puberty they go through. Even for those who do choose natural puberty, it would be better for them to choose it rather than being forced into it.

>>5896741
>doesn't mean it's not real.

I didn't say it's not real, it's all you head, a psychological conflict.

>they'd be better off as an unpassable hon on HRT than they would be living as a man

Do you really believe this? Would they really be better off living as an unpassable hon with no relationship or job prospects other than to become a streetwalker or pornstar?

>>5896741
>having the right hormones in their system

There is no right hormones, they're just all hormones according to your body. The are chemical messengers.

You cannot simulate a natural endocrine system with HRT. There's a reason why less women on menopause take HRT now.

>>5896741
>It is, basically. It's non-consensual body modification.

It's how human bodies work. You get older and become an adult who can make offspring.

>>5896827
no it wouldn't be better
you'd have significant portions of the population infertile and regretting making a life changing decision at 12 years old

>>5896829
>I didn't say it's not real, it's all you head, a psychological conflict.
Yes, but it's caused by the physical structure of the brain, which can't be changed through talk therapy.

>There is no right hormones, they're just all hormones according to your body. The are chemical messengers.
If that was true, testosterone and estrogen would be interchangeable. They're not.

>It's how human bodies work. You get older and become an adult who can make offspring.
Doesn't change the fact that it entails massive changes to your body that you likely never consented to. Sickness and death are part of how human bodies work to, but that doesn't mean we never take actions to try to prevent them.

>>5896829
>Do you really believe this? Would they really be better off living as an unpassable hon with no relationship or job prospects other than to become a streetwalker or pornstar?
If you have gender dysphoria, you won't really care about relationship or job prospects.

>>5896847
With blockers, you wouldn't have to make the decision at 12. You could wait until you're like 18 or 21.

>>5896851
and deprive yourself of transitioning into adulthood with your peers
you act as if a decision like this is as simple as choosing what to have for lunch today. there are major social consequences to blocking puberty

>>5896861
>there are major social consequences to blocking puberty
You're leaving your options open until you're mature enough to choose. The consequences to going through either natural or artificial puberty are even more severe, as you can't go back if you change your mind. Besides, in such a society where this sort of thing is done, EVERYONE would have delayed puberty, since no one is mature enough to make that decision at age 12.

>>5896849
>They're not.

According the trans people and doctors they are, but your body is made to produce one or the other in varying levels.
In all they are essential to a person's health.

>massive changes to your body that you likely never consented to
You don't have to consent to breathe, you can try stop if you want.

>>5896851
>you won't really care about relationship or job prospects.
Then that's really short sighted because you'll need both to address the issue and live a normal life.
This is one of the reasons why it's considered a mental disorder.

>>5896868
sounds expensive and impractical, as most leftist solutions are
the amount of money required to implement something like this would have negative effects that far outweigh preventing 0.1% of the population from experiencing something they perceive as "wrong"

>>5896880
>According the trans people and doctors they are, but your body is made to produce one or the other in varying levels.
>In all they are essential to a person's health.
Sure, everyone has both, but there's a clear difference between male and female hormone levels, and those levels aren't interchangeable.

>You don't have to consent to breathe, you can try stop if you want.
I really don't see what that has to do with anything. Breathing is not a form of body modification. And choosing not to do so will kill you. But wanting to go through a different version of puberty isn't fatal. I don't think it's a very good comparison. More like you just got all emotional and posted the first "argument" that popped into your head without considering whether it actually makes sense or not.

>Then that's really short sighted because you'll need both to address the issue and live a normal life.
Dysphoria is really the first priority, because you won't be able to hold a job if you're constantly miserable about having dysphoria. Once you get on HRT, then you can afford to worry about other things.

>>5896883
>sounds expensive and impractical
That's why for the time being it's only done for those who show strong signs of being trans. I'm talking more about in an ideal world where all this stuff is more developed and affordable.

>>5896913
>and those levels aren't interchangeable.

If they aren't interchangable, why take HRT?

We have different names for hormones, but our body reads it all as chemicals and messages that tell cells to respond in certain ways.

>I really don't see what that has to do with anything

Breathing is a process that naturally happens like puberty. Breathing can promote growth, as we need oxygen to move blood around and continue body function.

>But wanting to go through a different version of puberty isn't fatal.

But this case it can be, you could be pushing the delusion that they are the opposite sex, instead of easing their anxiety they have more because they want to chase something not possible or detrimental

It's like giving less food to anorexics or cutting off the extremities of people with body dysmorphic disorders.

>Dysphoria is really the first priority

But it shouldn't, survival and independence should be. Mental illness shouldn't control every aspect of your life.

>>5897017
>If they aren't interchangable, why take HRT?
I meant there's a clear difference between the male and female hormone levels. The reason we take HRT is because women are supposed to have female hormone levels, and vice versa.

>But this case it can be, you could be pushing the delusion that they are the opposite sex, instead of easing their anxiety they have more because they want to chase something not possible or detrimental
It would reduce anxiety because they don't have to worry about puberty and can put it off until they're mature enough to know what they want. And for people who are specifically trans, making them go through natural puberty has no upside whatsoever.

>But it shouldn't, survival and independence should be. Mental illness shouldn't control every aspect of your life.
Mental illness needs to be addressed first if it's something that impairs your ability to function and survive.

>>5896883
It's actually not. Preventative medicine - which this is - is far cheaper than waiting for things to go catastrophic, and the treated trannies are exponentially more productive economically. That doesn't just help communities, but allows them to be taxed more, too. This is exactly the problem with your way of thinking. You always assume the status quo is a form of the ideal, so when it's pointed out that a change would have net benefits you disproportionately focus on what's potentially lost. It's irrational.

>>5897078
>The reason we take HRT is because women are supposed to have female hormone levels

But they are not women and vice versa for transmen.

>who are specifically trans
There is no objective tests to diagnose a true trans person, even if we did find brain differences, that person could just be gay.

Impeding the development of a child just because he or she "feels" like something else is very risky and dangerous, even the warnings on the packaging say so, yet: "muh feelings, be yourself, YOLO" lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbPosiMxng


>Mental illness needs to be addressed first

Yes, but don't let it control your life. You have to eat, you have a job, you have bills, you have your friends and family.

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>>5891430
>shocking statement on sexuality
>it's all about trannyfucks
I don't know why I was even surprised.

Nonetheless they are correct.

>>5897203
>But they are not women and vice versa for transmen.
Not genetically, but in terms of what hormone levels their brain requires to function properly hey are.

>There is no objective tests to diagnose a true trans person, even if we did find brain differences, that person could just be gay.
Many conditions don't have 100% objective criteria for diagnosis. That doesn't mean such a diagnosis is worthless however.

>Impeding the development of a child just because he or she "feels" like something else is very risky and dangerous, even the warnings on the packaging say so, yet: "muh feelings, be yourself, YOLO" lol
The effects of blockers are negligible, so if the child turns out to be cis there really aren't significant negative effects. Whereas there are irreversible negative consequences of letting someone go through natural puberty when there's a high probability of them being trans. Sure, doctors aren't 100% reliable, but they're better at knowing what's good for someone than nature does. Denying children medical treatment because of your blind faith that nature knows what's right is literally child abuse.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbPosiMxng
Youtube is not a valid source, even Wikipedia is far better. If blockers really are so dangerous, surely you can find at least one study describing their effects?

>Yes, but don't let it control your life. You have to eat, you have a job, you have bills, you have your friends and family.
Yes, but if mental illness is preventing you from those things, then you need to deal with it first. Despite what the alt-right may tell you, you can't just magically wish away mental illness the moment you have "real problems". Mental illness is a real medical condition that needs treatment.

>>5897241
>Nonetheless they are correct.
Based on what?

I'm so glad that I don't need to care about all those shit you guys are producing right now because I'm stealth.

>>5897288
>but they're better at knowing what's good for someone
But sometime they don't, they are human, humans are not infallible.

>your blind faith
Transitioning is bind faith as well, why do you think they want you to sign all those consent papers? It's experiential treatment that does not ensure you'll get better, but you can't sue them.

>literally child abuse.

No it's wanting the child to have a normal life instead becoming a potentially unhealthy freak. Children lack the capacity to see long-run consequences of their actions, let alone people above the age of 18. Let them hit the age of consent first and make their own decision without guidance from the parents

>you can't just magically wish away mental illness the moment you have "real problems".

One of the ways to address it by facing reality and interacting with other people. Mental illness keeps you from doing so, it makes you delusional, psychotic. Your focus shouldn't be squarely on it or else it will distract you.

>>5897357
>But sometime they don't, they are human, humans are not infallible.
I admitted that, but nature doesn't even THINK, it does not REASON, it does not even care about your life. It just is. Whereas doctors use scientific research to find the most effective treatment.

>Transitioning is bind faith as well, why do you think they want you to sign all those consent papers? It's experiential treatment that does not ensure you'll get better, but you can't sue them.
It's not really fundamentally different than any other medically treatment. You may be thinking of informed consent where people can get hormones without being prescribed them, but agree not to hold anyone responsible if anything goes wrong. That's not how it works when you're actually prescribed by a doctor. And it's not experimental, it's been around for decades and is safer than many other medical treatments.

>No it's wanting the child to have a normal life instead becoming a potentially unhealthy freak
Yes, we all wish our children don't have medical conditions. But if they do, you have to face that fact, and let them receive appropriate treatment. Thinking you can make unhealthy children healthy by pretending their medical conditions don't exist is pure insanity.

>Children lack the capacity to see long-run consequences of their actions, let alone people above the age of 18. Let them hit the age of consent first and make their own decision without guidance from the parents
It's not really the children that make the decision though, it's the doctors who diagnose them and prescribe treatment. No different than any other medical treatment really. You seem to think it involves nothing more than kids telling the doctor they want to be a girl and they get hormones automatically, just like that. If it was like that, there would be no need for doctors in the first place. You don't leave ill children untreated because "they don't understand the consequences of their actions", that's absolute nonsense.

>>5897357
>https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/fs_professional-org-statements-supporting-trans-health_1.pdf

The AMA and every medical group says there are countless studies proving its the best treatment.


Please tell me why your pathetic delusions should take priority over the science all the doctors cite.

We won't stop vaccines just cause you feel they're unproven.
>>5897241

>“An established body of medical research demonstrates the effectiveness and medical necessity of mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery as forms of therapeutic treatment for many people diagnosed with GID ... Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that the AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender identity disorder.”

https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/fs_professional-org-statements-supporting-trans-health_1.pdf

Your delusions don't make facts

>>5897357
>One of the ways to address it by facing reality and interacting with other people
That only applies for mental illnesses CAUSED by isolation, a category which doesn't include gender dysphoria. Sure, if dysphoria drives you into isolation it can cause all sorts of other problems, but having an active social life won't do anything to actually make dysphoria go away. If anything, it makes the dysphoria worse, because you're surrounded by people who see you as the "wrong" gender. That's a large part of why trans people end up in isolation in the first place. Isolation is a problem, but the ultimate cause behind it is often dysphoria, which must be dealt with first. Otherwise, you have a choice between living in isolation, or going out in public and feeling disgusting because of your dysphoria. Neither one is going to be good for your mental health.

>>5897357
The gender identities of children presenting with dysphoria won't change*. At this point, that's known. Just like the gender identities of adolescents and adults do not, will not and have not. You have blind faith in a treatment method that has failed to yield any results *other than* damaging the lives and functionality of transgender persons for over seventy years, and atavistic terror of a treatment that produces significant mental and emotional improvement *on its own* in over seventy percent of cases. Just... maybe go live your life and let people not so profoundly ignorant talk about these things?

Thanks.

>>5893795
It's hilarious how the obvious delusional schizo is ranting calling everyone who listens to doctors delusional.

>>5896110
>People have to remember gender dysphoria is a mental disorder and you do not play around with mental disorders.
Neurological but regardless do you think treating a condition is "playing around"?
You do realize that we treat most conditions to the best of our ability and those treatments vary widely.

>>5896184
"just get over it and accept reality" Is not the actual treatment for any mental or neurological disorder no matter how much your feels tell you it should be.
>they even changed the wording so they wouldn't get triggered
Yeah obviously all medicine that disagrees with your feels must just be pandering to the feels of people you don't like.
>They live their whole lives in fear and anxiety, HRT can make it worse and creates a co-dependency
The actual statistics and facts show it's extremely successful at helping them and no other attempted treatment comes near, you're just insisting we reject science that upsets your feels.

>>5896373
That's a fine looking strawman you've made. Makes a good distraction from being a retard claiming people want to give three year olds hrt

>>5896464
Good thing it's reversible if they change their mind.

And we do in fact actually diagnose and treat kids for various conditions despite your weird delusional insistence that it can't be done.

>>5896573
And all brain differences must be exactly the same thing right?
lol

>also I'd like to hear a trans person address the 88% of girls and 98% of boys statistic
See >>5893523

I don't need a doctor to tell me how I feel.
Before hrt I was miserable, now I'm happier than ever. Who ever wrote this just wasted their time throwing words at the wind.

>>5891430
they look really rational and everyone should follow their suggestions, although i would like to see more sources on "98% of gender confused boys stop being confused after puberty".

>>5897776
>>5891430

>The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples.[1][2] The group's membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members
Tiny fringe group formed to fight gays. They aren't credible in the least.

And ever major medical group in the country has contradicted them. https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/fs_professional-org-statements-supporting-trans-health_1.pdf

If you can't do research and are citing fringe disgraced physicians to claim the system lies, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to dictate the way others live their lives.

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>>5897776
>Crackpots tell the truth
>science organizations lie
>Everyone has to do things my way or else!

>>5896243
Hate to break it to you anon, but the "medical community" is against you too boo boo.

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/pr/say-no-to-same-sex-marriage

>>5897812
>feminism on lunatic fringe
Maybe if you mean tumblrites using it as a buzzword, but actual feminism isn't lunatic fringe

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>>5897891
Radfem despising effeminate gays comes pretty close to /pol/

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>>5897891
Also make light of racism and claim that femboys using makeup is the equivalent to slavery.

Dunno about you but the radical feminists seem pretty indistinguishable from radical /pol/.

>>5897387
>>5897400
>>5897403

I literally can't make out all of these mental gymnastics. Your not going to bend reality to cater to dysphoric colored glasses and constructs.

>>5897405
>You have blind faith in a treatment method that has failed to yield any results *other than* damaging the lives and functionality of transgender persons for over seventy years

Oh please... This trans-kids non-sense is going to backfire and it will be one of the final nails in the coffin for these so called "gender experts" and social justice warriors.

>>5898159
>I literally can't make out all of these mental gymnastics. Your not going to bend reality to cater to dysphoric colored glasses and constructs.
So you think your "common sense" makes you more of an authority than educated people who dedicate their lives to studying this sort of stuff?

>Oh please... This trans-kids non-sense is going to backfire and it will be one of the final nails in the coffin for these so called "gender experts" and social justice warriors.
Again, based on what? What background do you have that makes you more qualified than the experts?

>>5898246
>What background do you have that makes you more qualified than the experts?

I had many trans girlfriends, I should know, am an insider.

Free your mind.

>>5898159
If science and academia didn't disagree with you almost completely, you might have a case.

There is no evidence that sex or gender is bound to the chromosomes you are born with. Chromosomes are a part of your DNA, which is a structure in your cells that tells the body what kinds of proteins to produce. From there, the body uses complicated structures to produce hormones and grow intricate, complex body parts and other things. The X and Y chromosomes only act within the womb and from there determine the sex of the baby.

Is it really that much of a stretch for you to admit that sometimes the body produces the wrong hormones or makes a tiny slip-up when making its hyper-complex brain? Babies have been born with far worse, from blindness to serious birth defects to missing limbs to severe epilepsy. Gender dysphoria only really requires a couple things to go wrong.

>>5898159
https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/publications/downloads/fs_professional-org-statements-supporting-trans-health_1.pdf

Every medical group says you're wrong. You're a delusional fool who thinks he knows better. You aren't fit to help anyone.

>>5898290
>I had many trans girlfriends, I should know, am an insider.
What specifically about your experiences with them suggests that there is a high incidence of people being incorrectly diagnosed with gender dysphoria?

>>5898301
>There is no evidence that sex or gender is bound to the chromosomes you are born with. Chromosomes are a part of your DNA, which is a structure in your cells that tells the body what kinds of proteins to produce. From there, the body uses complicated structures to produce hormones and grow intricate, complex body parts and other things.

You literally just explained why sex and gender is bond to the chromososomes you are born with. Intersex people are outliers and cannot be compared to transgender people who have otherwise normal bodies.
Which and how hormones your body produces depends on how you were born, is in different combinations from person to person.

>>5891430
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

>>5898319
I bet you think circumcision is necessary treatment, right?

http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/social-psychology-biased-republicans
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/19507-the-transgender-con-many-transgender-people-regret-switch
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/#.VhE7_nrtlBd
https://radfemrepost.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/kathy2/

The thing is there is obvious bias, people who would probably rid their dysphoria in talk therapy or who have fetishes get to transition and few know how many people drop out or regret.

Most 'merican people are drugged and SSRIs and ADHD drugs makes lots of money even though most children who are prescribed don't need them.

The medical industry is a business and when dealing with all businesses you have to read the fine print.

>>5891580
Neurological and mental disorders are the same thing, stop being a dumbass.

Come on, trannies. At least own up to the fact that cis women who take estrogen and cis men who take testosterone, are also putting their health at risk. GID and gender fluidity aren't nonexsistent, but it's the disparity between socialization and inclination that leads to the diagnosis. Just because for you guys, dysphoria is easy to write off as 'born in the wrong body' doesn't mean it's super special and different than, say, the way cis females who are hirsute hate their body hair, or cis males who can't grow beards, desire to. The desire to be seen a certain way is a human universal. It's just that some people take diet pills and get nose jobs, and others use the gender excuse for their bodily alterations. Doesn't mean it's right or natural, but doesn't mean it should be illegal, either.

>http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/02/24/peds.2015-3223
>https://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/transgender-kids-show-consistent-gender-identity-across-measures.html
>http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958.abstract
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3114100/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9031580

Since you morons are just going in circles with obvious bait I figured I'd link some actual information.

>>5898490
The statistics I've seen indicate that the regret rate is extremely low, even compared to other medical treatments. The studies that claim a high regret rate are only able to do so by assuming everyone who drops out of the study has detransitioned.

Its a scam.