No matter the amount of time you're on hormones, etc. it

What did you expect? If you were ugly to begin with you aren't going to magically turn into a beauty.

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Just get in the robot.

>>5377758
I guess if you assume being Masculine looking is ugly, then you're right. Not quite the response I'm looking for.

>>5377740
It plays a huge role, and the "oh, it's just beauty standards" sjw shit is a fucking delusion. I just gave up. Threw out all my girl stuff. My hair is getting cut short again next week. Life was better when I was an angry cynical asshole and had no hope. Fuck all this femmy shit.

>>5377740
shoulda started before male puberty affected you so much.

>>5377869
>Threw out all my girl stuff. My hair is getting cut short again next week.

did that many times during last 3 years of hrt

but always come back to that

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>>5377869
How many times am I gonna have to post this

>>5377869
>I just gave up
Same tbhon except I am in the middle or transitioning so I am not going to get any "girl stuff" at all and just continue presenting as a boy forever.

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by the time you actually know your identity and can do anything it'll already be too late, the human skeleton cannot be changed, everything can only go so far to hide proportions of a man, and genetic features you cannot control. some people might be lucky and their face fits just enough, or they're asian, but something like 31% of transsexuals commit suicide.

even so, i'm still stuck as an 18 yo anorexic male longing to be beautiful and feminine, knowing it is completely impossible. glad I stopped trying to be a girl didn't catch fucking aids at least. I still have my hair down to half my back and frighten at the thought of cutting it...

>>5377869
>oh, it's just beauty standards
>>5377869
To some extent this IS right though. Advertising and the media has warped our perceptions of what is acceptable as beauty, many CIS women are deluded about their own looks. As a society we're becoming more and more superficial & shallow every year.

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>>5378442
Don't cut your hair, anon. If you are trans, your life is probably over anyways, might as well transition and try to snatch life back.

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>>5378461
Transition seems impossible for me though, I tried for several years to "be myself" and had a lot of supporters I was always buying new outfits with friends and was even in love with a guy, who later said he was trans, and we were happy together. Then I said something politically incorrect and we broke up, and he beat my face up like a week later. My faith in everyone was lost.

But I found comfort in my family, which is mostly right wing, and felt very relieved to give up the idea and try to make my parents proud. I just can't shake this feeling that I've already wasted my life.

>>5378539
So you got beaten by someone you loved, and decided to go back to being comfortable in your weakness around those who dislike what you really are? Go for it anon, just know you threw your life away because you chose to.

>>5377768
Being masculine is ugly for girls, yes. Sorry. Get FFS. Thats the only option. Your bones wont magically change on their own. Someone has to cut and grind them down.

>>5377987
Oh like you miku? Stfu. You started at 19. You got lucky. End of story.

>>5378539
It's really awful that happened to you but I don't think detransitioning will make you happier

>>5378461
>might as well transition and try to fuck your shit up
FIFTY

>>5378539
That guy sounds gross. I doubt hes actually trans, what a gross person

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>>5378552
I never ended up doing HRT so i'm still fertile, there's the chance of me having a normal life and raising a family of my own, being happy. My body is irreversibly male at this point, yet I still value being called cute and it makes me happy - it's just never going to be the same as if I were a woman. I also really disliked sex when I had it with a man, even though it still seems like it could be fun, so I dunno. I'm weak and indecisive, and often set myself up to fail.

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>>5378445
Yeah, I think it's important to note that different people find different things attractive as well. If you post on 4chan rate threads or whatever you might think you're ugly when in fact the demographic that finds you attractive is just underrepresented on 4chan. And 4chan is not very fair in its representation of demographics

>>5378442
I was in sort of the same position. Anorexic. I started hrt at 20 and I'm fairly happy with where I am now. Yes, my shoulders are a little wider than most cis women but it's honestly bearable, my body is feminine, my hips became nice after I started working out and eating more (fighting anorexia.) If you're 18 I recommend getting on hormones asap and you'll be fine in a couple years. Stress on a couple years. It really takes that long.

This is a pic of a cis woman's weight loss that I saw on reddit today. I saved it because her body proportions are very similar to mine. You can probably expect something like this if you go on HRT and take care of your body.

Your shoulders will keep getting wider. Believe me when I say at 18 you're probably not as masculine as you're going to get.

>>5379183
I'm a different anon, but the problem with that pic is that my hips are smaller compared to the part just above them. There's a little bit of curviness around my abdomen, and somewhat on my thighs and hips, but they're so mismatched that it will never look like a woman, and clothes will never fit right. When I gain weight, it all goes to my abdomen instead of filling in around my butt. Even after being on estrogen for a long time.

>>5377869
I would have taken that girl stuff off your hands tbhf ;-;

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iktf, I'm pre-hrt and my body currently looks like
>>5379183
But with more muscles. My only hope is that losing those muscles might make ligaments shift around. I've heard of girls getting much less broad shoulders after starting HRT.

The way I see it, most people who wouldn't mind dating a tranny like us also wouldn't mind our bodies being a little masculine, especially chasers. So why worry? Maybe that's wishful thinking. Is it? idk.

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>>5379424
>>5379183
>broad shoulders
>small hips
>big ribcage

Yeah, and guess who else has all those features? Literally the most famous porn star in the world.

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>>5377740
tfw no transgender anime gf

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>what's the alternative.
Vr, second life, shit like that. If you're OK with being a virtual person then there you go. Having a nice voice also helps.
But shit, fuck transexuals. Go full transhumanism.

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>>5378563
Don't worry i still love you ;_; i'm sorry not everyone started out as a twink like me.

>>5380200
miku, ur still a twink. you don't pass for shit lol

why do you continue to lie on the internet?

>>5379890
Yes, this. My goal is to start my post-human transition sometime in the mid 2020's. By 2090 I want to be a full body prosthesis connected to a biological brain.

>>5380200
do you have any pre-hrt pics?

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>>5379183
Didn't see your reply until now. I'm 112lbs 5'8 so actually maybe not too skinny but you get the point. I took a photo to show my proportions or something like that, although not in a bra and panties. I think selfies are allowed on the board? If not I'll delete it.

I'm really scared at the thought my shoulders will get even bigger if it's like you say. Maybe I could buy estrogen pills secretly online and just see if I like it, I don't think it'd be noticeable for a while. My face is a little too much for me to even look at, no matter how I frame it with my hair. It just ruins everything for me, stupid german genetics.

Hope you live long enough for biomechanic scientists to make Ghost in the Shell real.

>>5378442
You literally just described my life, it's nice to know I'm not the only one that crazy about my hair too.