Lockheed Martin reveals its model for America's future

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Gee, Bill. Why does your mum let you have 16 AShMs?

>>35148836
It's just an extra 10 meters. I feel like you could fit all this stuff on a normal Freedom if you wanted.

>>35148862

Probably won't actually carry that many in practice, but having that capability should shut up the people who think that the LCS needs more firepower.

>>35148967
Imagine the possibility.

http://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-07-27-Lockheed-Martin-Demonstrates-New-Anti-Ship-Missiles-Surface-Ship-Launch-Capability

>>35148967
I think they actually will, since the intention seems to be to fire them from canisters, not vls.

>>35148862
>future frigate
>mounts LRASMs in canisters instead of making the VLS block bigger and stuffing them in there

what did they mean by this, /k/?

>>35149350

Making optimal use of available deck space.

>>35149350
Most frigates in general (Western and otherwise) put ASMs in canisters instead of using VLS for them.

>>35148836

They couldn't even get the LCS right, why the fuck are they even considering their shit?

>>35149536
Cause it's a lot faster to make a new frigate this way then spending another ten years designing a fresh one, then working through it's inevitable teething problems as well.

Plus most of the problems it had came from the retarded Gold/Blue crewing bullshit, which they're redoing from the ground up.

>>35149536

>LCS

Those fucking turds. We should have stuck with PHMs.

>>35149350
>There are also 16x Mk 41 VLS cells for ESSM and/or Standard Missiles.

It seems to have VLS too.

>>35149350
Mk41s come in various sizes, these canisters might not be able to fit bigger missiles.

>Smaller than Gorshkov
>More missiles than Gorshkov
>More defences than Gorshkov
>More aesthetic than Gorshkov
>More boats bought than Gorshkov

Russins BTFO. They really should've just boat Chinese.

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Where do people get blue pebbles? Do they stockpile them from fruity pebbles? Must be a real pain picking out all of the blue pebbles from the others.

>>35149584
It's a fucking frigate, just put off the shelf stuff on an off the shelf hull
Who cares if it's not cutting edge, it's supposed to fill in the gaps

No Air search radar?

>>35149350
The USN is probably not going to buy VLS versions of LRASM, especially with the AShM seeker upgrade of Tomahawks starting next year.

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slightly related question, Whats the smallest ship capable of carrying a blackhawk? bonus points for open water ability

>>35148836
Cool, I can't wait for Congress to cancel the programs three hulls in.

>>35148836
Why is there a spanish frigate in the background?

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>>35150799
It's a literal equivalent of Grigorovich, gook clown.
>More aesthetic than Gorshkov
This is physically impossible.

Should have bought chinese.

Will this be the first frigate to break 1 billion?

The undergunned as fuck LCS is already 550 mil as of 2015 and it's not even a frigate

>>35150851
Royalties would fuck you harder then a domestic design

>>35153140

Not really given the prevalence of designs exported between western nations.

>>35153170
Yes really.

>>35153021
Lol, keep being angry vatnik.

The new super ship is far more powerful than the shitty Gorshkov. Not only does it have the impressive Harpoon bins but it will also carry the superior LRASM, what will Gorshkov even get? A shitty short ranged Hypersonic missile that's too easy to shoot down, kek.

>>35153397
>>35153397
Reminder that the last test on May 2017, they only got it to go for 200km for 90 seconds, which is a hella slow.

>>35152058
Sort of a hard question to answer. There's a difference between having a helipad and having aviation facilities.

>>35153375

No. There's a reason why some consider it cheaper to buy a design than do it themsleves.

>>35153499
Because they don't have the institutional knowledge and/or facilities. They get raped via royalties.

>>35149491
This.

The only thing wrong is that they're not recessed into the superstructure so there's no LOS to them like has been common with other designs.

>>35150799

>more aesthetic than the Gorshov

Not even a Vatnik but that isn't true. That's a beautiful boat.

>>35150824

you can get them from pet stores for fish tanks

>>35148836
Remember when /k/ told that frigates are shit?

>>35153739
OK buddy, slow down and try that shitpost again.

>>35153573

Okay, so why does domestic design not get fucked by royalties? Because you're still required to pay for royalties to the designer, unless it was done in-house by the customer.

>>35153434
> between having a helipad and having aviation facilities.

You mean like a proper hangar for it vs just a pad it can land on?

Id imagine "carrying" means everything related to operating one

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>>35148862
Well, Sven slapped half of that on a 240 ton torpedo boat and called it a day.

Won't all those launchers and bobbins have quite the RCS?

>>35153425
I like this completely fictional statement.

>>35154319
>Be head of Swedish admirality
>"Oh boy! Can't wait to see the new budget and get those frigates we need!"
>Defence minister: "Sorry, our budget has been allocated to the social sector in order to help integrate all our new Swedes! You'll have to make due with missile boats and corvettes :-)"
>"But we already bought the fucking missile systems!"
>Defence minister "Well you figure it out!"
Such is life in the Swedish military.

>>35154116
>pay royalties to a ship for an domestic company you contracted

No.

>>35154381
This being back in the early eighties when the problem was getting enough people to move here to cover the industry's need of workers, but why let facts stand in the way of sucking that Putin-blessed alt-right cock?

>>35154398

Why not? If they've designed the ship based off the requirements you've given and have design authority / ownership. What stops them from charging royalties since the customer does not own the design.

>>35154471
The customer does own the design if it's contracted out from a domestic builder, because they are paying for the entire design process with their input.

>>35154361
Lol. Butthurt Vatnik, its a failure of a missile. They wanted hypersonic missile but it only went mach 6.1, too slow. Even China has faster cruise missiles.

>>35153434
bare minimum aviation facilities, i suppose. enough to where it can keep a helicopter on board for the majority of the time, but as an extension of ship capabilities, and less of just being a ship for the sake of the helicopter
any of that make sense?

>>35153397
arguing about a hypothetical desing that will probably change quite a lot
with a ship that is already out and about

the state of /k/

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>>35154420
>Eighties
>Not enough people
Yeah, back in the 80's early 90's when Sweden was having a recession and a fucking socialist government that thought it was a good idea to invest money in public projects and raising taxes thus harming the private sector and foreign trade? Yeah, no it's totally an alt-right fantasy...