Lever Action General Want a quality rifle within the 1k price

>>35122250
How is the Marlin 336C in .30-30?

>>35122272
I own one. Love it. It's great fun to shoot.

>>35122250
>quality rifle within the 1k price range
>something that really kicks
>not more than 70¢ per round
Yeah, no. Not factory new, and not unless you roll your own ammo.

.45-70, older Marlin or Winchester 1886, before Marlin got bought by Freedom Group, and before Winchester started their rebounding hammers and tang safeties shenanigans.

>>35122331
The main concern here is the price per round, correct?

>>35122367
ho ly shit 1.50 cpr fuck that mane

As someone who has gone down the route of high recoil guns...don't do it. I've had a .45-70, 458 Lott, and .338 Lapua. It's stupid as fuck. If you already have a shotgun, go get some slugs or turkey loads and call it good. Otherwise, for a legit, fun lever gun, the 1894 in 44mag is fun and can have ammo for relatively cheap. You can even hotrod 44mag to get some pretty good performance.

>>35122250
>Range Queen General

fixed

thanks for the idea chum>>35122503

>>35122476
Yeah, but it can't throw a 500gr hunk of lead at 1,800fps. I got my marlin .45-70 because fuck my shoulder, and it's cool as shit.

>>35122393
You will never shoot more 40 rounds in one sitting. Cpr evens out.

>>35122250

>reddot on lever action

Pig disgusting

Any pre 64 Winchester model 94's I find in local gun shops are priced at least $700-$800. I get they're nice, quality guns; but I feel like they just aren't $800 nice. Should I try negotiating?

Also, unrelated: How does one go about checking the bore of a rifle in the store without looking like a dipshit? Looking down the front end just feels wrong, but how else are you gonna do it?

Got a Marlin 1895SBL a while back. Loads of fun. It'll kick your ass if you're a pussy, though.

>>35124071
>>35124071
Up to you man. 45-70 doesn't even kick in the realm of 458 Lott. It isn't an unbearable kick by any means. Go try 460 Weatherby magnum; 500gr at 2700ft/s if you're really wanting to do that.

>>35122476
You can hotrod .45 colt to easily surpas .44 magnum. With less recoil because less pressure, bigger case

Is there a lever action rifle chambered in an affordable caliber that doesn't load through the tube ?
I really like the Chiappa .22LR one, and it definitely should be easy to clean but fuck I hate the way you have to load it.

>>35124250
Pre-64 94s can be had lower than that, but generally only by $100 or so. Takes some luck to find them much cheaper.

Just look down the barrel, nobody who knows anything about guns thinks its wrong.

>>35122250
Henry All-Weather in .45-70, the only Government you can trust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXMfeR6vTcA

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>>35122250
All hail the best levergat
>>35124969

>>35124075

You should give it a try, actually works pretty damn good.

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I just ordered a Henry big boy steel in 357 magnum

>>35125836
does it have a loading gate

>>35127529
It's a Henry, they're tube fed.

>>35127546
I really like loading gates

>>35122250
Any Henry

Yes this argument is going to devolve into
>MUH GATE

But the quality on the Henrys is better. In addition, the All Weathers are sexy AF and good if you live in the south.

Get one in 30-30, 45LC or 357MAG/38SPL.

>Want a kick
They make a 44 MAG/44 SPL Big Boy

Here is the current market for 44MAG:https://ammoseek.com/ammo/44-magnum?co=new

Alright /k/ I need help and I figure this is the best place to ask.
A friend of mine just inherited a Savage 99 in .300 from his dad, and since he's fairly inexperienced with firearms and knows I'm /k/ tier he asked me to give him the rundown on it.

Now the problem is, I'm also pretty out of my element with lever actions as well and have never owned a Savage. So I ask that someone gives me the TLDR on it so I can save face.

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>>35122250
I have a new Marlin 1895

It's crazy fun, recoils hard with stout loads, but has given me some problems.

>>35127574
Savage 99s are awesome, but the ammo is expensive AF: https://ammoseek.com/ammo/300-savage

>>35127596
I know that pain. My main heirloom gun is a Remington 700 that for some goddamn reason is chambered in .270

>>35127608
Wait, no. .280.
I'm retarded.

>>35127608
.280

OH FUCK:https://ammoseek.com/ammo/280-remington

>>35127625
five goddamn quarters a round
feels like I'm driving in Pennsylvania on the turnpike

>>35127625
>>35127667
You wanna know the real shitty part. It's functionally a 30-06. It's -just- different enough to fuck you over.
It has some slight differences in range and dropoff but not enough for the rarity or cost

>>35127695
lube it up and put it on a shelf somewhere
put an ad out asking for twice what it's worth and wait for bites

Is .45-70 worth it?

I want a big motherfucker, but how is .44 compared to it? or .357?

>>35127709
It's his sole family heirloom you fucking heathen.

>>35127777
.45-70 is looooong
.357 is a juiced up 9mm in a long case

>>35122250
How are the new Marlins? The more I look at stuff like this, the more I want it. Maybe with a 2.75x for removing pork in the brush. I hear a lot of mixed stuff about them, some really good, some really bad. Is it just a QC thing and I'll have to send in my gun 3 times until it's 100%? Can problems be solved with a little aftermarket ricing? Or are the flaws inherent?

>>35127906
there are inherent flaws in the current lever action design that hasn't changed much in 150 years
they will not impact you in the slightest if you buy one, they're absolutely great hog removers in brush

>>35127906
I bought a 2016 and a 2017 Marlin 1895SBL/1894 (.45-70 and 44 mag). Both are/were great out of the box. My only complaint is the loading gate is a bit sharp, so you want to take a file or (dare I say...) dremel carefully to it and the 'door' to break the edge. I had an issue with feeding semi-wadcutters into the 44mag but fixed it with 3 minutes and a round stone to deburr the chamber entrance.

The fitment of everything was great though, just that they didn't break the edges on a few spots.

>>35127596
>>35127625
At least you guys can find ammo for your leverguns.
I have a Winchester Model 71 and can not find any ammo for it. When I do find any its often $3.50per round.

Looking at getting a lever gat in either 357 or 45LC which one is better? I want something with a decent range and that's not super expensive to shoot

I'm looking to get a lever-action as my first gun, but from what i'm reading they are in a shit state right now due to manufacturers wanting to make them a cheap as possible.
So far ive been looking at:
Savage 99 in .308 Win.
Rossi 92 in .357/.38 special
Henry in .357/.38
And a Browning BLR in w/e
Was looking at winchester, and read they make them in Nippon now, how the fuck is a country that is no funs supposed to make a good gun???
Also used vs New?
I'm also in No-fun Jew York so lever action is really good for the shitty laws here.

>>35122250
>acquire singleshot shotgun
>buy slugs
>remove recoil pad from stock

>>35128653
Just look at a drop chart for a few 357 and 45lc rounds, and cpr for each of then

>>35125720
Thanks.

>>35128508
.348 Win? or BP .44-40?

OH WAIT. IS IT 50-100???!!!

>>35125836
Good on ya, you'll love it

>>35129478
.348 Winchester, its the only gun chambered in it.
Always seem like a hipster when looking for ammo cause most people haven't ever heard of it.

>>35130001
how old is your gun
how does your century old meme round taste

>>35130116
Was made in 1947 and it shoots very well, the kick isnt even that bad for how big of a round it has.
I inherited it from my grandpa so it also tastes like memories and regret.

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I was dead set on a Marlin .45-70 like OPs pic. Really like the looks of it, but my pop picked up a Henry .45-70 and goddamn, it's a nice rifle.

Great finish in the blued steel, flawless walnut furniture and overall very well built gun.
Not to mention the tube magazine really grew on me vs the loading gate of the Marlin.
Quality control is much better than Marlin to boot, however I think the Marlin still looks better overall.

Just my $0.02

>>35125818
Kills aesthetic i did it on my 1894 in 357. Was accurate i just wanted cowboy aesthetic more real.

People bitching about the Henry loading tube need to GTFO. In any situation where fast reloads are an issue, *neither* the tube nor the loading gate is a good system. In fact, a levergun probably isn't a great choice for those kinds of situations at all - for those, bring an AR with some 30-round magazines. Most Henrys hold 7-10 rounds in their tube. That's plenty for the intended use cases of those guns - hunting, home defense, and range trips.

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>>35127582
What problems?

>>35130526
What's the difference between loading gate and tube? They look the same from outside.

>>35130526
>tube loading has been obsolete for anything over .22 for 150 years
>"n-no guys, my Henry totally isn't a joke"

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>>35130641
A loading gate allows you to add rounds to the magazine by pushing them through a spring-loaded door on the side of the receiver. A gun set up for tube loading requires you extract the inner magazine tube forward out of the magazine and load the cartridges in through a cutout in the barrel end of the magazine, before reinserting the inner tube, compressing the magazine spring, and locking it into place.

The latter system is unwieldy, slow, exposes parts of the gun to potential damage, and requires you to put your hands close to being in front of the barrel. The loading gate on the other hand is easier to use and has the added benefit of being able to quickly top off the magazine if necessary, which is why it has been on every tube-fed lever gun of note since the Winchester 1866.

A variation on tube loading found in the original 1860 Henry rifle and authentic replicas requires the user to manually retract the magazine spring to the end of the magazine via a small handle on the underside, and twist the end of the magazine to the side (pivoting on the barrel) to open up the end of the magazine to drop cartridges into. Then the magazine end is rotated back into place and the magazine spring is released. For several reasons, including the inability to mount a forestock and the slot in the bottom of the magazine exposing the contents to fouling, this system is not used for anything except replicas.

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I have a 30-30 Marlin 336ss, bought it in 2009 in for my first gun, I love it and have never had a problem with it but have heard that later marlins can have problems.

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>>35125836
Mine is now my favorite gun by far.
If you don't like it you're a faggot.

>>35130819
A 2009 Marlin is a "later Marlin".

Marlins were good in the 60s

>>35130835
I understand its after the Remington acquisition, but I've only heard about problems with rifle past 2010.

Maybe I just got lucky and what I've heard is bullshit.

>>35125836
I really like mine. Construction and fit/finish are great. Wood is nice. Balance is nice.

>>35127529
>>35127546
>>35127564
Unfortunately, no one really makes good .357 carbines unless you go to Winchester, and even those are like $1000 at least. I've looked high and low for Marlin, and I had an order placed for a Rossi .357 that just sat for 5 months without them delivering; when I told my LGS I wanted to change my order (Rossi apparently can't ship them in-country for whatever the hell reason), they got me a Henry within a week. Yes it was more expensive, but I really am satisfied with it.

One caveat, I hate buckhorn sights, so I got some skinner aperture sights, much MUCH better.

>>35127777
in terms of expense, it is a LOT more expensive than .357, and more than .44 mag.

In terms of hunting, it'll kill anything that has pretty much ever lived as long as you do your part and aim. In terms of fun... well it's kinda like a 12-gauge slug in terms of recoil for a lot of the hotter hunting loads, which is made worse by many brush guns being small... But hey, everyone at the range will look at you when they hear a .45-70 brush gun fire.

The great thing about all of those rounds is that you can reload them for a fraction of the factory ammo cost, and you can load .357, .44, and .45-70 to almost suicidally hot loads.

>>35130657
Since my state forbids hunting with more than 3 rounds in the gun anyway, tell me exactly how I'm losing out with a loading tube. I'd prefer a gate, but since a lever-gat isn't a tactical M4gery in either form or purpose it frankly doesn't matter

>>35130657
>complaining about obsolete things in a lever action thread
are you fucking serious

Does anyone on here know where a guy could find a 45-70 guide gun mares leg? My boss lent his out to me all last summer while working his placer gold claim. It was the perfect hiking weapon other than having a hand gun. I ve asked my boss where he got his but he cant remember.

>>35130921
>I only use my gun for hunting

fudds go home

>>35122250
What gun is this?

>>35130968
>.45-70
>mare's leg

two memes for the price of one

>>35130907
Yes, the 45-70 was originally a black powder cartridge, so modern powder has way more space than it needs for the pressures and energy you want
>>35130921
it's easier, faster, and safer to put three rounds in your gun with a loading gate than it is with a loading tube

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>>35130968
If you want a short, hard to aim high recoil curiosity, just get this

>>35131015
the gun I was using wasnt that hard to aim, though i admit I was using it more like a shot gun than a rifle at the time.

>>35130974
I don't use it just for hunting, and I also have an AR. It isn't a "fuddy" concern, if I want to go full-dakka I have the semi, but I can't legally hunt with 5.56 or .308 in the state of Ohio, and I'm not willing to buy a bunch of .458 SOCOM or .50 beowulf stuff to take advantage of the straightwall law.

Don't get me wrong, I would PREFER a loading gate, but Henry, like it or not, is one of the better lever action manufacturers out there right now, priced competitively between Marlin and Winchester. They also make a lot more straight-wall lever actions than either, so if you want a lever-gat .357 carbine you pretty much have to either accept the loading tube or just move on to shotguns with slugs for the closest approximation.

>>35130995
yeah, .45-70 has come a long way. IIRC, the original ballistic specs with black powder weren't that different than modern .30-30 and aren't that impressive. But now it's basically an irl BFG-9000 for the animal kingdom.

>>35130657
Yeah, what >>35130958 said. Again, if you need to reload fast, everything that isn't a detachable box magazine is "obsolete". And if you don't, then it doesn't matter which "obsolete" system you use.

>>35131032
it was lighter than the two shot guns my boss had. It was shorter than the two long rifles he had, which was a god send for bush wacking through the utter crap of forest I was dealing with as well. I could also carry it in either my pack or one hand while going up steep wet terrain. I know i could have just gone with a hand gun but I admit i am a shit shot with them.

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>>35130958
>>35131090
keep moving them goalposts

>>35130526
Tube loading is only good when you're dumping 15 rounds of .22 out of a rotary speed loader into a Marlin Model 60 or other fast firing .22LR.

It blows ass in any real caliber or in any gun over 5 lbs.

Fuck centerfire rifles without loading gates.

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>>35122250
Can anyone identify this lever action rifle?

Are there any good side-loading 357 mag lever guns?

>>35131211
yes

>>35130852
Marlins were only bad for 5 years, but it was a really bad 5 years.

Don't trust anything with mfg dates from 2010-2014.

The 15s and 16s that I've seen were fine, or maybe needed an edge or two broken (as per >>35128076), and I'd presume the 17s would be the same.

>>35124969

BLR. Available in most conventional hunting calibers. Takedown models are over 1k, but the regulars are DBM fed, albeit at like 4 rounds at a time.

>>35131211
Marlin used to make one, but it's unobtanium as far as I could tell while I was hunting for one.

Winchester makes one, but it is comparatively expensive ($1000 <)

Rossi makes one for about $500-600, but they suck dick at actually delivering products. Ironically this doesn't seem to be an issue with their .44 mags rifles.

Hence why many people get the Henry Big Boy carbines, while others just get ass-blasted about the loading tube. There's a serious need in the market, I wish Browning would make one. Ruger iirc had a bolt-action .357 rifle too.

>>35131175
>It blows ass in any real caliber or in any gun over 5 lbs.
Literally why, other than muh cowboy nostalgia?

>>35131190
almost certainly a Winchester 1894. the receiver looks to short to be an 1892.

>>35131211
Winchester 1892
Chiappa 1892
Marlin 1894
Uberti 1873
Winchester 1894 (rare in .357)
Browning B-92 (also rare in .357)
Rossi R92 (if you are poor)

>>35131108
Not at all. Again, all non-box magazine systems are obsolete if you need to reload fast, and arguing about whether one is more obsolete than another is pointless. BTW, Henry actually does make a box magazine loading levergun - the Long Ranger - if that's what you want.

>implying I care about my Henry being tube loaded
It's not like I intended on going to war with it.
It would do you fucks good to let go off the larping once in a while.

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>>35131290
>>35131301
>taking this much pride in you cumbersome bullshit for the sole reason that it is cumbersome and also bullshit

>>35131318
Just let me know when you actually have an argument.

>>35131318
Where the fuck did I say I was proud of it

>>35131032
If the recoil is a problem then just get a muzzle brake on your maresleg.

>>35131328
Let me know when you have anything but salt.

>>35131190
>>35131262
I'd guess a toy or something, my first thought was 94 as well but comparing it to mine the screws in the receiver aren't right. I know there's some difference in pre vs post-64 but this is a pretty big difference.

>>35131350
wait would that work or would it turn it into even more of a meme ?

>>35131364
I think the pins and screws are hidden in the patina, because if that is a fake it's the best fake I've ever seen.

>>35131350
>telling someone to put a muzzle brake on a lever action
Get the fuck out of here

>>35131397
Yeah that's true haha, toys dont typically patina. Good point. If this is from a film i'd suspect it's missing internals, because to me it looks like there might be screw holes with nothing in them.

>>35131350
I was using it like a shot gun at the time because it was shorter than the other rifles available to me and lighter than the shot guns too.

>>35131301
>It would do you fucks good to let go off the larping once in a while.
Yeah, well, that's /k/ for you. A lot of people here can't wrap their head around the idea that anyone would ever buy a gun for any reason *other* than that the RAHOWA is going to start any day now and they'll be defending their mom's basement from the bix nood hordes. And listen, don't get me wrong, I have my SHTF guns, too. But I also have hunting guns, and fun guns, and historic guns, and black powder guns. I have different guns for different purposes, which I find more fun and satisfying than having a half-dozen virtually-identical ARs and polymer semiauto handguns.

That said:
1) Don't get a levergun for SHTF.
2) Don't get a levergun if you're a poorfag looking for a "one gun that does it all" kind of raifu.
3) For all the use cases that a levergun is actually a good choice for, a loading tube will work fine.
4) Henry knows this, which is why they designed their leverguns with loading tubes in the first place.
5) Except for the Long Ranger, which uses modern, detachable box magazines. If you want a levergun that uses a non-obsolete method of holding and feeding rounds, then Henry's got you covered, so stop bitching about how much you hate tubes; just buy a Long Ranger and be happy.

>>35131391
muzzle brakes/compensators would totally work
they'd also make you deaf and they'd look dumb

So I'm wanting to get into cowboy action shooting, and plan on doing it in a Revolver Ocelot cosplay that I can get dual purpose from at cons.
So the handgun ill be using should go without saying, but what rifle and shotgun do you guys think Ocelot would use? Want to keep the rifle in .45 Colt to share ammo with the revolver.

>>35132699
You probably won't be able to carry at cons

>>35132853
I'll use replicas at cons of course, real steal will just be for cowboy action shooting.

>>35124969
Ruger used to have the 10/96, which was essentially a lever-action 10/22 that took 10/22 magazines. Pity they stopped making them.

>>35127568
Why doesn't Henry just put a goddamn loading gate in their rifles? It's like the simplest possible mechanism and it makes the rifle so much more comfortable to load.

>>35127695
Honestly 30-06 is also kind of a stupid round unless you want to load 220 grain bullets for elk or grizzlies, but then you probably want a heavier bullet already. 308 is functionally 99% equivalent to 30-06, but you can actually find 308/7.62 NATO as surplus or as animal-themed steel case for ~40 cpr.

Other people's interests are so fascinating. OP is looking for a $1000 weapon while I post this using a $700 gpu to display images on a cambodian turban tips and tricks forum

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>>35130526
People bitching about the matchlock need to GTFO. In any situation where fast reloads or wet powder or EXPLOSIONS are an issue, *neither* the match-lit fuse nor the muzzleloading smoothbore handcannon is a good system. In fact, an arquebus probably isn't a great choice for those kind of situations at all - for those, bring a GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm autocannon and ~1,300 shells. Most arquebus' hold one round in their barrel. That's plenty for the intended use cases of those guns - hunting, killing new world savages, and suppressing protestant peasant rebellions.

>>35133058
because henrys gimmick is nostalgia

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>>35133212
>>35130526
>>35133191
>nostalgia is an excuse

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>>35133191
I'd say that was a good try, but really, it wasn't.

Sorry. I'm sure you'll do better next time, anon.

Whats up with rossi/bratech ? They are in a drought.

Did that presidential impeachment and favala uprising fuck over the country in shambles or is it simple paper work going through bueracracy here?

>>35133191
>there are people out there who get buttblasted that much over people using something they don't like
wew

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Anybody have experience with a Chiappa 92 Alaskan takedown? I really want one in 44 mag but for 1,250 I gotta know if it's legit.

>>35133574
at 1300 why not just get a shooter grade 94 take down?

>>35133597
Because it's very pretty and I prefer new to used.

>>35130381
God that is a beautiful rifle. That wood is just. Fuck. Sends chills down my spine looking at it.

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>when you hoped your thread would just die after a few decent responses but then it falls to /k/ retardation like all long threads here.

are there any lever gun cartridges that would be adequate in a SHTF/invasion prep gun?

most of them are chambered for stuff that would be stopped by soft armor (44, 45, 357, etc)

or are the velocities high enough from lever action carbines to get through some armor?

>>35135037
That's what you get for having the nerve to like other guns than ARs and glawks on /k/

>>35135066
30-30 best all around cartridge but a .45-70 would work too might not go through but would feel like taking a sledgehammer to the chest. Can't fight if you can't breathe properly. Just ask general grievous.

>>35135390
45 70 would be too heavy for shtf

>>35133250
Taurus bought Rossi and apparently their import license got fucked up somewhere along the way, so now half their catalog isnt delivered.

So i was told trying to buy a 92.

>>35135898
Taurus bought Rossi over 9000 years ago.

This isn't actually true unless a import license has a 10 year duration or something equivalent.

>>35133079
See I'm a minimalist, I don't care to own my own personal fucking aersonal just a handful of guns that can fit all in one safe. So when I think of .308 vs 30-06 I'll go with the 30-06 because it has the ability to achieve light magnum status where the .308 can not. And since I'll never go safari hunting I'll never need an actually magnum just a .22lr, 5.56mm, 30-30, 30-06, and govt 45-70. With those 5 rounds I can adequately kill any animal in North America including the godless killing machines known as polar bears.

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how shit are new production marlins?
I want to get a .44 mag lever gun and suppress it

>>35136467
>how shit are new production marlins?
The opinions are that they are great again.
>.44 mag lever gun and suppress it
get a 45-70, heavier bullets mean more power. But only if you reload:
Trail Boss 12.0 gn = 971 fps with a 405 grain bullet.

>>35131328
Except that he already had an argument in that it's cumbersome. It is, considering you're having to take an integral part out of the gun just to reload it. It's also mildly unsafe compared to a gate loading lever gun. Henry lever guns are simple range toys because of this, while Marlins and Winchesters can actually be loaded quickly in hunting situations that require a quicker reload.

>>35136467
Like really bad

>>35130526
People forget you can just load a round directly into the chamber with the bolt back.

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Lever actions never appealed to me until I started binge watching Westerns and now I just want like 5 more of them.

What's the best pistol caliber lever gun in production today?

>>35139217
I used to have .45 levergun and that thing was fun as fuck to shoot.

>>35131429

>using it like a shotgun

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

>>35122272
Most fun gun to shoot I own.

>>35133232

It is... some people just wanna LARP with it. Give it a try, Mr. Cool-Guy.

>>35136467
If I were you, I'd wait until the new models actually have a good track record, my salesman tells me he has about 50-65% of his buyers come back with problems related to how the new Marlins hold up. If you want a Marlin now, you'd be best off spending a little more for an older one. My friend has a 30-30 that is smoother than a worn in pussy, but it is an older one so he spent a pretty penny on it. All in all though, it's up to you and your research, don't fall for /k/ memes

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>>35136816
>.45-70 meme when someone asks about .44 mag

>>35139217
>What's the best pistol caliber lever gun in production today?

Probably a 3-way tie between Winchester (Miroku), Chiappa, and Uberti.

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>>35139448
But which model? I always thought it would be the 1892 but recently I've been reading more and finding that people have better reliability with the '73 as long as they aren't running particularly hot loads.

>>35139493
When in doubt always go with John Moses Browning. Go with the 92.

What would be a better option for general fun use/possible hunting, a old used 30-30 or a 357?

I plan on hand loading either way and maybe casting. Main appeal to me on the .30-30 is the availability, probably could find one for $300ish used if I find a decent one, vs something like $650 for a henry .357 that doesn't have the loading gate.

Even when handloading .357/.38spc would be cheaper, but since muh .30 cal I could try wierd shit like loading .30 carbine bullets with light powder charges and shit.

>>35139421
I seem to see a lack of constructive criticism in your post. Will some other anon friends help me further analyze this post for content?

>>35140854
no less content that talking about .45-70 when someone asks about .44 magnum. sorry if I triggered you.

>>35139493
No matter what the gun, SOMEONE is going to eventually post "reliability issues".

Remember like MAYBE 5% of the posters here have actual firearms experience.

>>35133574

>Italian 1892 for $1250

Christ anon, for that price just get yourself a nice used Winchester 1892.

>>35139493

Reliability in the 92 is basically a solved problem at this point. Get a decent one and watch your OAL and it'll run all day long.

>>35122272
>30-30
>kick

hahaha