>Tempted to buy an Uzi How bad of an idea is this /k/? I

>>35122063
first off, NFA or not?

If NFA, bank account decides.
If not, then let us consider what manufacturer.
Tell us, OP.
Which brand made the semi auto uzi you are considering?

>>35122063
If I ever win the lotto I'm getting a 9mm F/A with both the folding stock and a wood full stock.

I shot a F/A one in Georgia and let me just say after 2 mag dumps the black bulls-eye was completely gone and only the white outer paper remained.

Most fun gun experience of my life.

>>35122090
Semi-auto, probably IWI.

Just bought a Norinco one with 12 mags and the folding stock. Are the norinco ones any good?

>>35122063
my roommate has a vector arms one with interchangeable calibers and he's real happy with it. it's 9mm.

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>>35122063
They're good, but dont have any illusions about them being anything besides a range toy.

>>35122150

Those IWI models are very good. My buddy has one and loves the thing.

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>>35122150
>semi auto

When you're feeling low and woozy
Slap a fresh clip in your Uzi
Assume the proper firing stance
And make those suckers jump and dance.

>>35122456
What's wrong with them? Only real complaint I've heard is that they're heavy as fuck.

>>35122611
cringe

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>>35122660
The nature of it being semi auto closed bolt adds a few idiosyncrasies that were not present on the orginial open bolt design.
Basically because the bolt isn't connected to the non repriocating charging handle, you have no means of a forwards assist.
With the Model A type uzi the semi auto bolt is not cut for the out of battery safety. This that if you have a double feed and your bolt has already picked up another round and has it on the breech face you'll have an OOB.

Beyond that it's a really fun piece of history and may serve you well as a PCC or whatever you wish to do with it, but be aware of the shortcomings that have arisen from the semiauto closed bolt conversion.

>>35122750
No forward assist isn't really that big of a deal.

The model A style semi bolt is a safety issue, but from what I understand model B style bolts, like the McKay bolts are safe.

If it's just to have a cool gun and money isn't really a thing then yeah. Hell I'd go all out and get a B&T unless the reason you want it is that it's an Uzi. Nothing wrong it that.


If not then I'd say no and go for a pistol AR. Pistol caliber or not it's up to you.

Either route I took I'd sbr it.

>>35122063
Do it. I'm in the process for saving up for one too. I'll probably end up buying a Vector or Century built one. But if I can't find one on Gunbroker then I'll save up for a pre-ban IMI.

I'm also gonna SBR it with a 10.2" barrel.

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>>35122063
Get a Tec-9.

>>35122920
The build quality on that is garbage compared to an UZI. Also UZI mags are cheap and available.

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Anyone else looking to build one, now that there are jigs available again?

>>35122954
Probably just better to buy a fully welded receiver from McKay cause they're easy as fuck to assemble at that point.

>>35122944
Why is UZI in all caps sometimes and others it isn't?

>>35122920
Was this a shitpost?

>>35122965
>living in America

>>35122970
Mix of EXTREME MARKETING, and people mistaking it for an acronym.

>>35122998
Pretty sure it's officially cased as UZI anyway.

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>You will never buy a fully automatic UZI over the counter in a 1980s Miami gun store

>>35122750
Calm down with the terminology, Nutn, regular people dont know what that means

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>>35123089
typing all that shit out gets redundant.
Now excuse me, gotta xooter outta here to prep for wrol shtf bbq cookout

>>35123090
Why are you bumping a dead thread with pictures.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk38OEXWoFI

>this proud American builds an UZI in under an hour from a demiled kit and rewelded parts.

>>35123145
>according to the atf this is a machine gun

>>35122127
you were at bullseye weren't you

>>35122965
Don't you still need to modify some of the internals/buy a new bolt assembly and buy a brand new trigger pack?

>>35123339
Basically you need a semi-auto bolt, barrel, and a tab welded in the trigger pack. SA receivers have a different feed ramp, and a bolt blocking bar.

>>35123275
Hence this is sketchy as fuck, and almost certainly the ATF/CA DOJ

>>35123362
So if I were to buy one of those McKay receivers and a complete Uzi demilled kit with everything what parts and tools would I need in addition to complete it

>>35122063
If you buy one I'll call the ATF on you myself. Stop over-compensating for your short dick.

>>35123370
You'd need to weld a tab in the grip stick/buy a semi-auto one, a semi-auto bolt, and a semi-auto barrel.

>>35123392
>The McKay receivers claim to be "fully welded" does this mean I don't need to do any welding?
>Whats the difference between a semi and full barrel or are you just referring to the fact that most parts kits some with chopped up barrels?

>>35123400
Semi barrel has a narrow diameter toward the breach, so it works with a semi-auto style feed ramp (welded to the receiver). Semi feed ramps are actually kind of nice, since they'll feed loads bedsides ball much better.

>>35123416
Well my dream of building a cheap Uzi went out the window when I saw how much people are jewing semi auto bolts for
>$240 receiver fully weled (reasonable)
>Complete parts kit $180 (not too bad)
>Semi auto bolt, fucking $240 scam
Its literally cheaper just to buy a zero work used Norinco one for $650

>>35122998
Uzi is eagle in jewish, isn't it?

>>35123471
No, it's a name.

>>35123063
Goddamn, that hit me right in the feels.

>>35125135
Me too anon

>>35122750
Why not get an open bolt version?

>>35126937
They cost $15,000, because of baby boomers

>>35126957
Wait what.
Are you telling me that an open bolt UZI (despite being semi auto) is, legally, an MG?

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Don't buy it.

>>35123063
Why live?

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>>35127019

/ B U I L D I T /
It's really easy, OP. You'll save quite a bit of money too, this cost me $530 total.

>>35127055
Not OP, but list of parts and where you got them from?

>>35127055
You machine the bolt into a closed bolt design or something?

I've heard they're made from particularly hard steel

>>35126988
Open-bolt is a legal grey area in U.S. firearms law. In 1982 ATF started to declare a bunch of different open-bolt semi-autos as machine guns. So manufacturers stopped making them cause they figured that their guns would be declared machine guns.

But there's no explicit ban on open-bolt semi-automatics, each design is up to ATF interpretation.

>>35127098
No. closed bolts are readily available.

>>35127110
So... Could I legally build an open bolt gun?

>>35127055
No can do because I live in Washington and you can't have parts kits shipped here because they have machine gun parts.

>>35127136
Possibly. Like I said, you'd have to submit it to ATF and see what they say. Only a handful of open-bolt semi-automatics are declared machine guns.

>>35127055
You got a guide and parts list for this? What type of equipment and tools do I need access to?

>>35127161
Do you want to bend and weld a receiver, or buy one already completed?

>>35127142
Couldn't you ask the seller to remove those machine gun parts?

>>35127150
Ah, so if I wanted to build an already available open bolt design e.g. a KG-9, Mac 10/11 or one of the UZIs I'd most likely get a no.

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>>35122063

This is a great idea. I too loved the Uzi. They are indeed heavy as fuck for what they are but unbelievably fun. I would say they're even easier than building an AR with an 80% lower. Really really easy. And super loose tolerances. It's the SMG of AK's.

It will have to be Semi-Auto though. I highly recommend a Semi-Auto McKay bolt & firing pin on a McKay SA receiver. Takes all the hassle out of the build.

>>35122305

They're good. As with most Norinco's (except their AK's), you'll find a few jagged corners and things maybe not PERFECT. But they function just fine. It's an Uzi.

>>35122341

This. Swapping caliber as easy as swapping your bolt & barrel, OP.

>>35122750

I've never specifically had that problem but yes, you will have a very very occasional jam (I've had maybe 5-6 odd jams out of the 8K rounds I've put through mine). But all of mine were due to my magazines. Maybe I'll have an OOB one day.

Also, nice Title II fauxcan. I love mine.

>>35122965
>>35122954

This. Buy a fully welded from McKay. It costs the same as having to bend your flat and it comes welded.

>>35123339

Everything is done and welded except for welding a very small "blocking bar" in your trigger guard. It's literally a single tack weld with a scrap piece of metal; then dremeling it flush. Takes less than 5 minutes. 10 if you're a perfectionist.

Also, you have to take a small spring/rachet out of the top cover so it's no longer an open bolt. This is just unscrewing the bolt handle, taking it out and screwing it all back on. Takes a minute.

>>35123244

No it isn't.

>>35123400

That's correct. The only weld you will have to do is a small tack weld inside the trigger group for the blocking bar. But silver solder will work as well.

>pic related in the next post

They also sell semi auto groups so you don't have to weld but I wanted mine to have all the FA Hebrew on it. Looks cool.
I'll answer more questions and write a parts list, hang on.

>>35127191
Well only the KG-9, M10/11 pistols, and Sten carbines are explicitely machine guns according to the ATF. The ATF never ruled wether an UZI carbine that fired from an open-bolt is a machine gun or not?

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>>35127200

Pic related is the blocking bar to tack weld if you want to buy a FA trigger group. But as I said, semi auto trigger groups already have this installed.

>>35127200
You can also buy grip sticks that already have the tab welded for you.

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>>35127055
>>35127200
>>35127221

>>35127098

You *can* machine the FA bolt but it's a bitch. The only difference is a slot in the SA bolt to fit into the SA receiver and a hole for your firing pin assembly since it is no longer an open bolt/fixed pin design.

>pic related

>>35127225

I've already said that.

>>35127235
How do bolt conversions work?

>>35127248
I mean, like modifiying an open bolt to fit around the blocking bar. Cause back in the 80s that was like the second most popular way to do UZI conversions.

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>>35127136

The only open bolt guns that are legal are single shot. I saw one guy who build a Cz.26 that was single shot and he got it approved by the ATF. I don't recommend it though. Especially with an Uzi.

>>35127142

You can still buy the top cover pre-modified for SA only and a SA trigger group/stick. These aren't machine gun parts so you should be good. I'll see if I can find you some links.

>>35127161

I'll post a parts list and the videos/guides I used in the next post.

Only tools I used were a cheapo dremel from Amazon and a friend's welder for the tiny tackweld that took a second to do.

>>35127191

No, I'd say the Uzi and MAC are the easiest ones to do; mostly because SA parts are a far more available.
Okay. Parts list & tutorial vidyas coming up next.
Also,

>pic related is the "blocking bar slot" that fits ONLY semi-auto bolts with their slot. I hope this makes sense, if not -- it will in person.

>>35127248

Look at this pic:

>>35127235


See that slot in the bar? That only fits SA receivers which have the bar which fits in that slot as seen here:

>>35127289
It's a matter of machining it out and then machining out a very small hole for your firing pin. There's also a video of how to do this on YouTube but I don't recommend this method. It's very hard and will require a whole lot more $$$.

>>35127167
Completed. I don't have enough experience welding to feel comfortable welding anything gun related.

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>>35122611
>clip

>>35127305
Then you won't have to do any welding that's required.

The only welding you'll need is if you have a full-auto grip stick. You have to weld a tab to keep the selector from going into the full-auto position.

But you can buy grip sticks that have already had the conversion done.

>>35127328
>keep the selector from going into the full-auto position
Why on earth would you want to do that?

>>35127371
It's an ATF requirement.

>>35127378
More like GayTF

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>>35127055

Okay, I'm back.


Here is a parts list. I know that some of these are "sold out". This is just to show you what you might need. The McKay bolt/firing pin assembly have been sold out for a long time and I bought mine off Gunbroker for just $250 together. Look around everywhere, there are many websites that carry them. This is just a list and links so you can see what you'll want.


>McKay SA receiver; $239.00

http://www.mckay-ent.com/uzi-semi-auto-receiver-shell-126.html

***IF YOU ARE GOOD AT WELDING; BUY THIS INSTEAD FOR $99. You will have to only weld in the bolt blocking bar and the trunion, it's very easy to do: http://www.mckay-ent.com/uzi/uzi-semi-auto-receiver-shell.html**

>McKay Bolt/Firing Pin $279 but can be found for $150-200; look around

This is the hardest part to find and typically the most expensive. You can find it WAY cheaper on other websites and on Gunbroker/Armslist like I did (I got the receiver/bolt for $250 and just had to buy the parts kit, barrel, Allumahyde II, etc etc etc).

http://www.mckay-ent.com/uzi/uzi-semi-auto-bolt-assembly.html

http://www.mckay-ent.com/uzi/uzi-16-barrel.html

>McKay 16" barrel - $109

http://www.mckay-ent.com/uzi/uzi-16-barrel.html

These are great; if you want a fancy chrome lined one, Green Mountain has them for $150. You can also have the regular 10 inch barrel, but you wont get to use the cool wood or folding stock since anything with a barrel that short + a stock is an SBR.

>Uzi Parts kit - $179 regular but $100-120 on sale

https://www.apexgunparts.com/uzi-parts-kit-w-collapsible-steel-stock-type-2-demil-israeli-military-industries-good-to-very-good.html

Wood stock

https://www.apexgunparts.com/uzi-parts-kit-w-wooden-fixed-stock-type-2-demil-israeli-military-industries-good-to-very-good.html


ONLY buy these on sale. I swear, they're on sale once a month.
That's it. You can buy a sling, extra mags, etc but you should be able to Google those.


Coming next is the tutorials I used.

I've heard a good welding technique for welding sheetmetal guns like this is using a tig welder to do a bunch of overlapping tack welds. Seems like the main concern is avoiding warping the receiver.

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>>35127434


VIDEOS


>MadMetalManiac74's Uzi Build

This guy is hilarious and has a great series. COULD go in depth a little more but it's the best set of videos I've found for visualizing what you have to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1DIa2C0DQs

This video by him is absolutely vital for learning to assemble your trigger group for the first time and seeing how to tack weld your grip stick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2LM600Tmoc
>The Redneck Engineer's Uzi build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk38OEXWoFI

I didn't use this one much but it's good. I used his written guide a whole lot more:

http://theredneckengineer.blogspot.com/search/label/Uzi


And finally, here's the guide I used the most:

https://crypticpunk.wordpress.com/building-the-fully-legal-semi-automatic-uzi-carbine/


Give it a browse, it'll show you what you'll be doing.
Feel free to ask more questions. In the future if you go through with this build, ask your questions in the Gun Building/Gunsmithing thread. I always check those to help people with their Uzi's; call me "Uzibro".

I don't trip though, I'm not faggot.

>>35127453

I was scared about the same but used a stick welder on the grip stick. Because you're only doing a tack weld, you should be fine. Mine was.
Also, one more guide:

http://myuzibuild.weebly.com/build-blog

>>35127055
whoa that is an amazing price, how much would it cost to pay someone to build it?

>>35127640

WAY more than it should be.

I'm telling you -- you have to build it yourself. It is unbelievably easy. It was my very first gun build when I built it and I had no idea what I was getting into.


If it's that intimidating, I would be willing to provide you with a temporary Skype and we could sit down and I'd be willing to take mine apart and rebuild it with you. But I'm telling you, it's cake.

Here's a quick rundown:


>Tack weld trigger group & reassemble unless you bought a semi-auto stick.

>Paint parts with spray on Brownell's Allumahyde II

>Wait a week

>Install rear sight (use a video, takes a few minutes)

>Insert trigger group into receiver and put your pin through it.

>Screw on stock; it only goes on one way

>Put spring and firing pin assembly into receiver with bolt

>Slap on top cover

>Insert barrel and screw on barrel nut
You're done. Once you do it a few times, you can assemble and reassemble in 3 minutes.

Here's a breakdown so you can see just how few parts there are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4kPTB8BauI

>>35123063
>UZI nein millimitah

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>>35127714
I've never waited for alumahyde to air dry, I usually just stick it in the oven.
I've actually found appliance epoxy to be more durable than alumahyde as well, go figure.

>>35129125
Does your dog ever shoot the uzi?

>>35129421
I dream he does

Anyone here have any experience with the mini uzi? Owned one before?

>>35129663
They're extra-cute uzis

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>>35129663

Guy who posted all of the links and such here.

You can build one of those too with literally all the exact same parts except you use a Mini receiver, bolt & barrel. Literally the same build. Just those three parts are a little smaller.

I'd like to build one of those some time.

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>>35129094

Well, I didn't want to deal with my wife at the time when we only had one oven. I now have a "shop" beater oven from the 50's that I throw parts in.

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God, it's so aesthetic.

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>>35130358

ARVN Gooks and SF loved it in urban areas. Just not how 9mm handled in the jungle.

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>>35130370

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>>35130380

/ C O M F Y B E A C H P A T R O L /

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>>35122063
Buy parts kit and build FA Uzi and a suppressor just don't tell anybody and buy a cute lil Kevlar vest for your doggo.

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>>35130418

>Take it Uzi there, QT


Uzi's make a fine accessory.

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>>35130448

Speaking of women with Uzi's, it's my wife and mother's favorite gun to shoot. Just because 9mm is enough to fuck shit up and due to the gun's weight (it weights 9 lbs), it has the recoil of a 10/22, lol.

That and there's plenty of boo-lets. I get lusty when my wife puts the stock under her arm and she hip fires on our range.

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>>35130480


And no, I'm not from Arkansas. My wife and mother are separate people.

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>>35130495

>Shalom!
>OY VEY!
>ANNADUH SHOAH

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>>35130504

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE!??!
Seriously, I never realized it was in that movie. It's in like, every movie.

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>>35130536

Wrong picture.

>I'M CIA

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>>35130543

I remember Sin City.

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>>35123063
STOP

>>35122611
>off by one syllable
JUST

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>>35130543
That's a pretty big watch.

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>>35122975
No. Could also get a Mac-10.

>>35123063

WHAT ABOUT A LASER RIFLE IN THE 40 WATT RANGE??

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>>35131883

HEY, JUST WHAT YOU SEE, PAL

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>>35123063
WRONG

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>>35132258

Slowly...fading....away.......


>why did i leave shotgun shells on the shop counter

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What ever happened with that 9 year old who shot the range instructor with an Mini Uzi? We never got a full tape. I remember a lot of people on /k/ & /pol/ saying it was fake and perpetuated to implement a little more gun control.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/us/60128/girl-of-nine-with-uzi-shoots-gun-instructor-dead


Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfMzK7QwfrU


The reasoning was:


>All of the wind with clear voices

>Weird empty range in desert

>Uzi recoil does not handle like that and go "up" like a traditional SMG; because it's open bolt with a VERY heavy bolt -- the recoil actually goes forward and keeps the gun horizontal. This gives the Uzi (and it's weight) it's easiness to control.

Watch the 5 minute mark to see what I mean:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFMhYms9vCM

>>35132429
>Thinking it was fake

Jesus you guys can be dumb

>>35127434
I'm getting tempted to do this. I'd like an SBR uzi because they look cooler, but not sure if it's worth the extra $200.

>>35123471
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uziel_Gal

>>35129094
what brand of appliance epoxy?

always looking for a better finish

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>>35133139

I heard some shit that 9mm out of a 16 inch barrel holds the same ballistics as .357 Magnum from a handgun. It's also quite a bit more quiet. With regular rounds, you barely hear a crack -- mostly the "WOOSH" of the bullet. Not entirely sure if that's true or just Fudd lore posted on /k/.


With subsonic rounds, I had three people thinking my faux suppressor was real.

It does look cooler to SBR it but I didn't want to deal with the ATF/wait 11 months, etc. So I bought a $50 fake can from Title II Arms and put it on. It's actually amazing for keeping yourself from burning yourself on the barrel.

>>35133168

JB weld

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>>35133168
Rustoleum appliance epoxy in black, gives a finish really similiar to soviet era paint

>>35122920
You mean DC9

>>35130295
What about a micro uzi?

>>35122890
>Baby dick uzi with a baby chest rig

>>35122920
you either mean a kg9, or kg99