From a enlisted personnels experience, why has the U.S. military

>>35118695
It's only gone to shit since we don't use .45 as a standard in the military.
t. Civilian with no mil experience

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>>35118695
Mandatory diversity training.

Pandering to minorities instead of focusing on proper training and etiquette.

>>35118695
>gone to
>implying it hasn't always been
the u.s. military is a haven for dullards, lollygaggers, and shiftless layabouts

>>35118721
>4chan is a haven for dullards, lollygaggers, and shiftless layabouts
ftfy

>>35118695
When they turned the military into a social experiment.
You get told on a daily basis that as a male, you are a rapist, you get told to accept shit that you never grew up believing in.
They let complete substandard performers keep doing their jobs because no one want to do the paper work to get rid of them.
They will let females and minorities get away with all kinds of shit that a white male can't get away with.
There are a 100 more rants but I don't want to steal anyone thunder.

>>35118695
peacetime, it always goes to shit in peacetime.

tbhqhfmlm, the only solution is getting out of gen pop into SF or some classified special-purpose unit

when aerospace companies put military leadership in their pocket.

>>35118695
Boots aren't being hazed properly. They let people in who shouldn't. Like guys who can't even complete the crucible got pushed through.

When my DI gave my EGA he said "Good job Marine, you earned it" and patted my shoulder. Then the shitbag next to me he just stared at in disgust for 5 seconds, handed him his EGA, and moved on to the next guy.

I was kinda joking about the hazing, but shit is a little to lax. Those that followed me we're continually worse. 3 out of 5 boots went UA before deployment. We caught one and made him deploy and do bitch work for 9 months then discharged him as soon as we got back.

>>35118720
This.
I'm sorry John your mom put you on adhd meds you can't enlist. What Tyrone a felony misdemeanor no worries brah got a waiver for that.

When all the fucking base has to watch a video "on how it's bad to rape, do not rape" every time a muhreen decides to rape left and right, "Why you should drive carefully" whenever some fuck head decides to turn a truck upside down etc

>>35118763
>>35118742
>>35118720

>grunts thinking they matter in modern warfare

>>35118810
>anyone but nuclear silo gateguards thinking they matter

The average grunt probably matters more than a fighter pilot nowadays. Sorry about your feels.

>>35118810
>No boots on ground to secure area and hold it down

How do you think Iraq refucked itself once we left. Back to cawaduty baby boy.

>>35118810
>implying substandard mechanics (army, air force and navy), artillerymen, communication specialist, and medics don't fuck your shit up.

>>35118827
>Back to cawaduty
>a game that is literally about grunts saving the world

what im saying is that you don't need to be a tough as nails 'properly hazed' meat titan to occupy space, especially now when PR plays a much bigger role in warfare than being a WARRIOR does.

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>>35118695

The last generation of quality officers were driven into retirement by Obama's 8 years of PC diversity bullshit. Their replacements were chosen not for their ability; but for their willingness to embrace the new PC agenda.

The net result is a decline in the quality of officers and lower morale among the enlisted due to having a cultural change imposed on them that very few of them are comfortable with.

Hopefully Trump will take the hatchet to more of Obama's appointees and things can start moving back to the way they were.

>>35118836
>not being hazed enough makes you worse and maintaining equipment/troops

you guys are just mad that the military is becoming less of a boys club.

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>>35118856

>>35118695
>Has never served
>Thinks he knows if the military has gone to shit

>>35118868

are you implying he is trolling or im trolling?

>>35118695
culture of risk aversion and safety nonsense, the fact shitbags are enabled to enter. the mindless stupidity of certain rituals. biggest problem is no one steps up and says "no" they don't say no to a lieutenant or captain, or then to LTC or general. thier is no common sense thier is always we done things this way becuase just becuase. plus everyone should go through basic and soldiers should be able ot duke it out

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If you don't enforce standards (via physical pain, financial pain, or judicial pain) you end up with every branch looking like the Air Force. They have been a garbage bin of a branch since the 1980s.

Enforce standards. Literally that simple. Make the mental cases cry instead of tolerating them and their fucked up lifestyles/mission ethic.

Haven't been to /k/ in years and this is what I stumble on page 1.

USMC Sgt here (inactive reserve now). I don't think the US military has gone to complete shit, it's always been held together by chewing gum and duct tape, this is not new. Chaos is our natural environment, the growing pains never stop because we never stop changing. Most of our problems now-a-days come from cronyism, the fact that only certain kinda person volunteers for a job that might entail running towards machine gun fire, the fact that we don't have constitutional rights, and the fact that we're slow to change because we have robust mechanisms like extreme bureaucracy in place.

Cronyism is hard to avoid, having an all volunteer military means hiring those people but having a draft means something even worse, not having constitutional rights is just as useful as it is detrimental, and we use robust systems like extreme bureaucracy BECAUSE they're robust and are hard to break even in chaos.

Just the nature of the game, embrace the suck.

>>35118987
>Has/does serve
>Only competent response in this thread

>>35118757
Not just aerospace. Hell, simple clothing companies can buy a general. Flag officers are easy to impress, just a dinner, a vacation, and a golf game is all it takes.

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>>35118695

Adoption of the M4 and the Army Combat Uniform, drops in physical standards, and shitty ROEs.

durr clearly we arent hazing hard enough thats why our military sucks and those gays too! they made out military pansies. and of course the adoption of the m4
t.usmc post man (1975-1974)

>>35119474

this is what happens when you don't enforce the grooming standard

>>35118695
It hasn't you retard.
Military is the same as its ever been.

because our country doesnt represent anything worth fighting for anymore

>>35119474
>>35119543
I was an 0311 deployed to Iraq and Trashcanistan. Our mail guys actually were at more risk than us sometimes.

Think about it. They had to drive on open roads potentially facing an IED. Knew guys who went down that way. Just so we got our letters and care packages.

You think the term 'going postal' means anything. All we did in between the suck is hope they'd show up with a letter with your girls perfume sprayed on it.

>>35119474

Underrated.

>>35119656
you weren't in the military

>>35118843
>CoD is grunts saving the world
Hasn't been that way since World at War. Every game since you're in some special unit. The last "normal" unit was the Marine task force in MW1 which was wiped out via nuke, and arguably in MW2 when you were a Ranger but even they're classified as special forces.

>>35118695
The War on Terror.

It has absolutely ruined us, and the decision making that has stemmed from it has rotted away at every single branch ever since.

See, at face value, the US Military has been training for nonconventional warfare for almost 2 decades. 2 decades with no REAL enemy. Instead, we have been taught about shades of grey. "Oh yes this Taliban is evil, however the two men next to him that rape a 6 year old girl every night are fine! Hearts and minds!" Furthermore, some of the system being used to fight these wars is still ancient and trapped in doctrine from the 1980s.

Additionally, while we aren't going and doing things like actually defending this nation, but enforcing "American interests" which are really the interests of Sunni sycophants in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and of course Israel (though Jewish in their case), we need to stand ready to fight and occupy at ANY time. What does this mean? Well during the original Iraq conflict, a National Guard unit was deployed, in theater, for 18 months straight. It means the Marines are doing foot patrols in Afghanistan for 12 month tours...a nation that is totally landlocked. It means that SOCOM has the fastest operation tempo in its history, with Rangers regularly barely getting 2-3 weeks between deployments. And that doesn't even mention our poor Carrier groups or Destroyers in the Navy, who are now ALSO dealing with Lil Kim Jong. The reason for these collisions at sea? Crews regularly being extended for months at a time with no replacement at all, and incredibly long hours.

Finally, and most importantly; total brain drain. The officers and senior NCOS of the past are gone. What is left are a bunch of losers who keep their jobs because they can't make it anywhere else. The garbage rules of engagement and micromanaging made everyone worth their salt in senior billets fuck off. What remains are the Obama era officers more obsessed with numbers and diversity than an effective fighting force.

Lack of a defined mission and objective. Pre-1946 everything was centered on defending US soil and overseas holdings of value (Philippines, Panama Canal, etc). Then from 1946-1991, it was being ready to kick the shit out of communists in West Germany with a side of irregular warfare. Now they want an army that's also a police force, a construction company and a cash cow for contractors.

>>35119715
To finish up;

I served 3 tours. 2 Iraq, 1 Afghanistan as a line medic.

I got out, went Reserve, and currently work with a regular medical unit. We recently got back from a huge exercise, not quite NTC size but close. On our last day, back at the unit, cleaning tents and humvees all day, ALL training had to stop for over 2 hours for a SHARP and equal opportunity briefing, all because one Mexican faggot got a stick up his ass because somebody made a passing REFERENCE to Trump, and one female nco complained about some G rated jokes from one dude to another.

2 hours, 2 hours of pay for 50-60 soldiers to be told not to make a joke about how "we should save this penny for "Jewish NCO who jokes about it himself"."

Those are your taxpayer dollars.

>>35119696
Ok. You don't have a dick.

See how it's easy to say something untrue. Explain you abortion surviver.

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>>35119696
I'm waiting baby dick. Show me yours I'll show you mine Call of Doodie. Let's hear it boy.

>>35119696
>>35119793
Baby cock. I'm still waiting to hear about your video game operation.

How was Operation: mom made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

>>35118817
Kek being this delusional

>>35118695
Too much ethnic diversity and too many women harm cohesion and have created an oppressive atmosphere where you can't talk honestly and form true brotherhood. I have felt and I have seen many other people feel it without necessarily being able to put in words what they felt

>>35118810
Maybe individuals don't matter, but macro scale factors like social cohesion, high trust and esprit de corps absolutely matter for the effective decentralization that has been key to western victories for millennia

>>35118810
Aircraft Maintainers matter buddy.

>>35118695
It's actually getting better now that proper leaders are being put into postion (SgMajor Dailey and Commandant Robert Neller) but there's still a lot of improvement to be made. Air Force is still a decrepit hell hole of political bullshit even though the NCO corp is making progress. Navy is in the middle of trying to redo everything like a chicken with it's head cut off. The Army and Marines have finally adapted to todays new battlegrounds but are still suffering from the cultural shift and the 2000 to 2015 over react to any and all negative PR, both real and perceived.

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>overabundance of drug, alcohol, and sexual assault training.
you would have to go through stuff like [PIC RELATED] every month. fuck preparing people to be as ready as possible for combat situations.
>women
they either are tryhards that work 2x harder then the next man and act like a stern bitch or are lazy cum dumpsters that get pregnant right before a deployment.
>lowering the for passing through bootcamp.
the physical fitness standards have gone down, what has been considered overweight has gone up, and what DIs, RTCs, etc can do has been EXTREMELY limited.

I wonder how many times Sergei in Russia or Chen in China has to go through "plz don't rape" training.

>>35119408
Ya, they started recruiting people in prison during the war. Should have grown a pair and just drafted people.

>>35119793
>>35119871

Spotted the neverserved who thinks he knows how grunts talk.

>>35118800

>Implying all Marines aren't gay

t. USMC veteran

Longer hours, promotions for alignment of workplace culture not merit, shitty physical standards

When I was in the navy it was seen as perfectly acceptable to have so many watches that you'd get 4-5 hours of sleep for months at a time. It became common for people to skip meals just so they could sleep. Everyone is exhausted. Pretty much no one works out because they're already tired and every year a huge chunk of people fail their PFAs. The senior staff see this no sleep thing as a rite of passage instead of an issue.

It really hasn't gone to shit. I'm one of the few enlisted guys whose job is on the jet and I can tell you that life is pretty awesome. I get to see the results of everyone from the cook at the dfac through the maintainers up to the generals authorizing the mission, and it's incredible. The problems are really insignificant from my perspective, though I do get to wear the coveted green dinosaur outfit so maybe I'm biased.

>>35119656
former TF fag and current PMC. Just wanted to stop by and say this was the gayest and dumbest thing I've read on 4chan all day.

Our pogue support wouldn't deliver shit to us and avoided leaving the wire period. We literally never received mail out in sector unless it was dropped off by a team of ours.
>can we get a logpac?
>hurrrdurr roads are black due to enemy activity.

>>35120388
>PMC
Is the job worth the pay?

>>35118695
You grew up and realized it's not fucking GI JOE.

Shitty leaders make the compitenet people want to get out after their first contract, leaving shitbags to grow up and be the next generation of leadership

>>35120210
>so stupid that you have to be told every month not to rape.
standards really have slipped..

>>35120210
>russian army doesnt lecture about rape
>rape is abudant in the russian army
hmmm

>>35118742
Too accurate

>>35118800
>We're gay
Since 1775

>>35118763
What made them go UA?

>>35118987
/thread

>>35119408
I don't think the adoption of the M4 has to do with the reduction of standards. Just a coincidence. Correlation does not equal causation.

>>35119656
you mean...mail doesn't always come from the helicopters?

>>35119705
Not that anon, but you have to admit playing as MACVSOG in Vietnam was cool as fuck

>>35120768
Do you really think telling soldiers/Marines "Hey guys, did you know rape is bad? Don't do it!" It going to seriously stop anything?

>>35120210
>that pic
well at least the poor specialist or NCO that made the powerpoint had som fun with it
>Remember Marines, when at parade rest, don't rape the boot in front of you

The u.s armed services is full of faggots, whore slut chicks who get preggers in the first 6 months and morons who signed up because they got tired of flipping burgers.

It really is a lowest of the low situation and now that they sent allowed to beat harass and in extreme cases murder like that used to all the trash 5han couldn't conform to basic standards it's now just a running fucking joke. God help us if we ever get attacking by a real enemy. Our service nonbinary infantry persons are going to be slaughtered to a man

>>35118850
None of this matters if you're actually in the military.

>>35119656
I watched warhead too

I was deployed in the shit for two rotations.

>deep in the mountains of Afghanistan
> me and my squad are attempting to exfil after first contact on the slopes of a mountain above a little shithole.
> about half way back to base one of the guys gets hit in the upper calf and goes down.
> screams like a bitch and we try to get him up and keep going, I tell him "get the fuck up man"
> he pushes me off him and said looking right in my eyes as the gunfire is cracking the rocks around us
>"did you just assume my gender you sexist fuck?"
>me: "my bad"
> we leave Xirs ass for dead hopefully it's still a POW

>>35118771
>having to pay for John's retard meds vs enlisting someone with a tendency towards violence to go do violent things

Hopefully things will be better for your average rank and file service member under Trump.

Keeping reinstating the tranny ban was a decent early step in the right direction.

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>>35118850
>Hopefully Trump will

keep dreaming

>>35120210
You think this is stupid but last week, literally an hour after they were released, on my base we had a bunch of guys get shitfaced and start a fight club on liberty.
2 of them went to the ER.

>>35118763
My heavy gave me his name tape when I left Parris Island. I'm an 0352 now but I have a feeling he wants me to follow in his footsteps.

>>35120291
Its troubling how the Navy is okay with sleep-deprived people operating heavy machinery.

Really, they should let you drink on the job. There'd be no noticeable dip in performance and judgement.

>>35120291
> Promotions for alignment of workplace culture and not merit
Holy fuck this
There was a Specialist in my old unit that was the literal embodiment of being a Soldier, he was a PT stud, highest I saw his PT score was 324~, knew fucking everything, was responsible, respected by the rest of the Joes, never in trouble, but because he wasn't in the boys club as a Private and didn't kiss ass 24/7 they never gave him a leadership role or sent him to BLC.

>>35118695
Too much cycling people through units. Not enough skill building and unit cohesion.

>train up new team member to basic level of job skill, 6 months later lose that new team member and have to train another to basic skill level.

>send teamember for additional skill training such as ranger school or air assault, team member gets pulled to another unit and now have to train new guy to basic skill level.

>new team member finally gets his shit together and works well with team, gets pulled 8 months later and is replaced with complete new guy whom no one trusts yet.

I honestly believe the military would be better off with people staying in their assigned units for minimum 2 years before being allowed to switch units. For some stupid reason we have officers coming in and out every 6 months, which causes so many damn issues. Also, how is my team member supposed to become proficient in a skill if you pull them and they are forced to retrain basics with new unit.

>>35118695
'03-'09 Navy nuke. This >>35118742 >>35118850 >>35118940 >>35119715 >>35120291

I'd add that the degradation of the military was in place pre-9/11. There was a Tailhook thread a few weeks ago that really hit it. By the time 9/11 rolled around, everyone in the upper chain of command had gotten there by joining a peacetime military and playing office politics; their driving force in life was to GTFO of the hood or the holler, depending on origin. Then they suddenly got a flood of patriotic fools who joined after watching people jump out of 40th story windows live on TV in high school and who wanted to help their country, and they just didn't know wtf to do with people like that. So, suddenly there were two competing cultures that were totally antithetical; a group in the lower ranks who only want to get the job done, and a group in the upper ranks who just wanted to look good. The upper ranks wanted to keep looking good, so they selected those they thought were like them to move up. That means, during an active shooting war, people who worked diligently and proficiently were passed over for promotion in favor of the Equal Opportunity/Sexual Harassment Prevention/Morale Committee/Safety Committee motherfuckers. That brings us to today, where fighting wars is treated as ancillary to the maintenance of the functioning bureaucracy. It's a fucking disgrace.

To see how dangerous the bureaucracy is, look no farther than the Army cocksuckers who switched to a camo uniform that made soldiers EASIER to see than the old one, just b/c it looked cool. Not even fucking exaggerating. That's why they did it. They were jealous of the Marines' MARPAT. Seriously.

Also, ANYONE who gives a fuck what color socks you have on. Fuck them right in the ass.

Lastly, ignore this guy >>35120306 and people like him. The people who do the shit they show on recruiting commercials love it, sure. They're also not the people who represent the vast majority of the force.

>>35118695

Dad says after the brown boot army. (right after Korea)

I agree with him.
Love u dad

It hasn't.

People are just eager to pick out percieved faults. Nearly everybody does it when they're at a job even down to minor unimportant details that they'd forget about entirely if they did something else on vacation for around a week or a month.

If you consider all the regions, and cultural differences. Places like the U.S. Army are the most effective institutions at training people-( especially with different backgrounds) to perform as a team. Private sector corporations and companies don't even come close to the esprit de corp. In fact most civilian places of employment kind of encourage people against one another so they can pay them all less. Most people in the private sector would stuff your kids in a sack and throw them off a bridge into a river if they got a minor bonus check like 2% of min wage from their boss one time.

>>35121680
> Every Soldier thinks the Army went to shit after they enlisted/got out unless they're a neverserved 'blame millennials' cuck
No shit

>>35120210
Please be photoshopped. Do they really think they're that stupid

>>35121555
Jesus, where the fuck is that happening? Navy keeps your ass at your command for almost 4 years at a pop, usually.

>>35121666
>>35118695
tl;dr, if you treat the fuck fuck games as being more important than the mission, you're gonna have a bad time. Satanic trips confirm.

>>35121423
Read this somewhere once, gotta paraphrase:
>Procedure for reactor startup in a foreign port:
>Go on liberty the day before
>Have solid plan to return to the ship early and rest
>See sites, visit bar for quick night cap with friends
>Just 2 beers
>3 is safe
>4 isn't bad, still time for sleep
>Hey, Danny's buying shots!
>'Nother beer
>Shots
>shots
>shots
>shots
>shots
>???
>???
>???
>Realize it's the next day, you're on your watch, the ship is steaming, the reactor is operating, the plant's up, and there is no critique scheduled
>carry on like nothing happened
It wasn't until I got involved with civilian nuclear power that I really appreciated how robust the Navy's systems and procedures really are.

>>35121799
You don't understand business culture at all, faggot.

>>35121828
It was made as a joke to lighten the mood during the brief but everyone thinks its real.

>>35121844
Thank god

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>>35120821

It's not directly related, it's just a piece of shit compared to the M16A2 and started this "MUH RAIL MUH OPTICS" faggotry.

>>35121836
The cycling of personnel happens in army for sure.

This shit happened because of vietnam and the draftees. They had draftees serving the same amount of time as regulars, and since they were a pain in the ass most of the time, they were forced to cycle personnel every few months because gov believes army soldiers are just gears in a machine that can be easily replaced with a new gear.

As a shiny brand new ensign, is there any way I can help bring about positive change?

>>35121889
I honestly dont understand why we dont keep multiple small arms weapons in service like we did pre vietnam. I understand parts compatibility, but why cant we have an m4 and m16 issued based on location, say iraq and afghanistan? Issue m4s in iraq, and issue m16s in afghan. M4s are great in their current cqb set up with the aimpoint dots, and m16s have the capability to hit out to at least 500-600yds accurately with an acog. Hell, train up DMRs for small units and issue them an m16. Parts are interchangeable, so i dont understand why not keep both?

>>35122005
Focus on skill proficiency, and make sure your buddies are equally proficient. This way, you will work with slightly competent people.

>>35118721
found the coward who never joined the military

>>35122005
Not if you ever want to make LCDR.

If you're happy with making LT, sure; get to know your people. Don't micromanage them; that's their PO2's job. If your LCPO is micromanaging them, he's too close. Keep an eye on the bullshit, and on individual accomplishments. If you have a person who's pulling every collateral duty in the book, but is not being tasked with challenging evolutions, that person should not be advanced before an individual who is carrying the weight of the shop on their shoulders. If you find that a higher up is looking to shit on your guys for something that's not their fault, you have identified a "leadership challenge." Your task as a JO is to then identify a set of corrective actions that will successfully mollify the individual who took a shit on your guys, while simultaneously minimizing the negative impact on the esprit de corps of those under you. You may find there is no such solution, in which case you need to fall back on the good faith you've built with your people previously, while you are assisting your higher up in their malicious penetration of your people.

I may have been a TAD cynical by my EAOS...

>>35122047
Ok, thanks anon.

>>35122092
I care more about an environment of success for people who put in their best effort and get results than my advancement. To be anything else would be, in my grandpa's words, "nigger". I'll keep that in mind, thanks anon.

>>35121836
>It wasn't until I got involved with civilian nuclear power that I really appreciated how robust the Navy's systems and procedures really are.
Wow

>>35121046
>assuming Tyrone goes infantry and not laundry hygiene specialist or water pipeline installation specialist

>>35121842
Sure I do. There are generally 2 types of business workers.
1. Long term- Tries to spend most of their working day browsing cat pictures on their smart phone and convincing single mother college drop outs on dating websites to have sex with them
2. Manager types, tries to spend as much time as possible cutting operational costs selling off as much equipment as the company can get away with and other cost saving measures like turning the thermastat off until half the building complains, and outsourcing work the guy browsing cat pictures says he needs more help with for min wage and firing everyone they think they can so they can get a stock bonus to impress girls with before they drop out of college and become a single mother before the business goes tits up and they liqudate all the assets and sell the brand name off to some guy who wants to sit on a yacht and browse cat pictures on his smart phone while he hires min wage workers to run the business some day in the future.

>>35118843
Boi, this shit isn't going to last forever and when shit truly does hit the fan and all that bullshit is out the window, you're gonna want guys who know how to kick down doors and have all that infantry knowledge you need to win a war.

So pretty much, better safe than sorry

>>35118695
Women. They ruin everything.

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>>35122673
Yes but they're cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uaxOVQx_Bo
Yes, even the transgender ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG_Rg_Q9Ik4

>>35123727
> The First Openly Transgender Infantry Soldier in U.S. Army Speaks Out on Trump's New Military Ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLJJr5XMU_E

>>35118711
ya i'll second this.
t.another civilian

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>>35119408
>Sgt Slump and Cpl Clump

>>35120945
Wtf is warhead retard?