How the fuck do these work? Wouldn't the bolt just fly back

the bolt has lugs that cam into locking position and require your force on the bolt handle to cam out of that locking position.

>>35102872
It has a rotating and locking bolt, but instead of gas operating the action you do.

>>35102901
well said

>>35102901
>>35102893
If pulling directly back on the bolt pulls it out, pushing directly back on it, the recoil, would have the same effect.

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>>35102916
> rotating and locking bolt
> locking

>>35102954
How the fuck does the recoil not unlock it?

>>35102916
When the bolt is forward and locked recoil can't push it back. Only you pulling on the bolt handle can rotate and unlock the bolt from the receiver.

>>35102983
That's not physically possible.

>>35102916
>>35102970

Maybe you should learn how guns, or basic camming mechanisms, work before posting here.

>>35102970
because its not putting the force in the correct direction

the bolt is locked and unlocks when the hand pulls on it

the recoil can't pull on the bolt in the right way

Pulling on the bolt rotates the lugs, recoil pushes them backwards.

>>35102998
Well, gun designers have been doing it for over a century so obviously there is a flaw in your theory. Please educate yourself before posting anymore.

>>35103011
Its the exact same. Pushing something and pulling it from the opposite side are the same.

>>35102970
When you pull the bolt back the cam stud inside the bolt carrier unlocks the locking lugs by rotating them. The rest of the bolt pull is just extracting the cartridge.

If you can find an animation of an F88 they have a great little camstud. You can see exactly how it unlocks before extraction.

>>35103003
Stop being a prick and explain it to him. Not everyone has been posting here for 6 years and has an autistic knowledge of how firearms work.

>>35102998
The bolt is in 2 parts. The recoil pushing okn the front half does not unlock the assembly.

Only by pulling on the back does the unit cam and then retract.

>>35102916
The bolt and the bolt carrier are two different parts my boy.

It's functionally the same as a manually-operated AR.

>>35102998

And yet, there it is before you!

>>35103031
The bolt head needs to rotate FIRST, then travel backwards. When you pull on the handle it first rotates the head, because it's cammed to do so, then travels rearward.

When recoil acts on the bolt head it's just pushing it straight backwards. No turning, just direct force rearwards, which doesn't do shit because the bolt head literally cannot travel backwards unless it's turned first.

>>35103044
>Stop being a prick and explain it to him.
It was already explained to him. He demonstrated a clear lack of interest in learning, so fuck him.

>Not everyone has been posting here for 6 years and has an autistic knowledge of how firearms work.
Not knowing is one thing, dismissing an answer because you don't understand it is entirely another. He could've shown some initiative, or at a minimum asked further questions but he didn't.

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>>35102872
Note how pulling on the handle causes the bolt to rotate

>>35102872
That can happen with the shit tier Ross rifle if you fuck around with the safety/assembling.
Ian did a video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSui_UqDX8
>tfw you fire your rifle and the bolt flies back at mach speed and knocks your eyeball into your brain
History of the Ross rifle is amusing too. Basically some Canadian shilled for his friend, named Ross. It passed testing since 4 of the judges didn't know anything about infantry rifles and the 5th was the Canadian shill.
Then everyone found out how actually shit it was,
but the Canadian shill got fucking elected and made it the standard issue infantry rifle.
Canadians during WWI would hide Lee-Enfields for when combat happened since there was so much hatred for the Ross that higher ups threatened legal action on troops harboring superior rifles.

>>35103132
Nice animation. I was looking for that exact one but I couldn't find it.

Troll thread pops up every few months.
Report the OP and move on.

>>35103132
Those animations are great, did they ever explain how they do them?

>>35103220
Looks like stop motion to me.

>>35103220
No idea, it was just the first animation that came up on google, I would guess some sort of 3d modeling software.

>>35103237
That's it, just picture of parts in a lightbox? Either, it looks pretty great.

Bout how much for a real deal K31 these days? Lookin for a nice old style bolt action.

>>35103278
I got mine for $550 with 200 rounds of 7.5 surplus

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>>35103003
>Asks legitimate questions so he can learn about how guns work
>REEE YOU NEED TO LEARN ABOUT GUNS

>>35103355
see
>>35103098

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>>35103278
Theyre cool, but ammo is hella hard to find, even online. Snag something with better ammo availability if you ever plan to shoot it. Personally, I'm a big fan of the SMLE.

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>actually still falling for this fucking shitty bait thread that's been made dozens of times
this shitposter probably stopped posting this garbage for a few months only because he got underage banned

>>35104468
My local sportsman store has pallets and pallets of 7.5 swiss

>>35102872
Mmm K31. Pure sex

>>35104468
That's a nice price anon!

>>35103031
Tell that to a Chinese finger trap.

>>35102998
Must be space magic or witchery then.

>>35103278
More than before, but still slightly less than they are worth
THANKS IV8888
gp-11 is around 0.60/rnd.
Sucks there is no Lee classic loader available for it.

>>35103220
Othias used images of the parts in a lightbox and arranged them frame by frame in an image editor. This was horrifically uneconomical, so they hired Bruno to do the 3D stuff.

>>35103044
There's a sticky with a link to the wiki which has a video on guns, it is admittedly a little dry but it should serve the purpose of explaining to him why the bolt won't fly back into his face when it gets to talking about semi-automatic weapons since straight pulls are about one step away mechanically from being semi-auto.

>>35102970
U ever pushed on a screw or bolt, does it rotates and unscrews itself? No it doesn't. Same principle here, u have to rotate the bolt to unlock the lug and that rotation is done in this case by another piece which has a cam follower that when pulled in a straight line it transforms that linear motion into rotation on the bolt

>>35102872
The short answer is that there's this little catch attached to the bolt. If you fire, the catch snags in a little cut out in the frame of the gun. If you pull the handle the first inch or so is the catch folding up so it doesn't snag.

>>35105682
That's normally true, but this is a straight pull bolt action. The jug handle gives it away.

>>35104468
>Theyre cool, but ammo is hella hard to find, even online.
Thank God my local reloading bench has an unlimited supply.

Obviously it doesn't and the rifle works fine jackass.

>>35102872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtwhZj1_TlI
Watch this from 10:00 onward (Preferably the whole thing if you have time.)

Now imagine that, but with you pulling the bolt by a handle instead of it being pushed by gas.

Bonus points: Imagine the bolt being pushed by a long stick driven by gas. That's how piston driven guns work.

>>35104468
>Ammo is hard to find

LuckyGunner literally has just over 18,000 rounds in stock for 58.3 cents per round and has had a bunch in stock for a long time now.

>>35105293
>hoarding 7.5 Swiss
Do they know something we don't?

>>35102872
Yes. That's exactly what happens

>>35102872
That's why they're so cheap.