>we couldn't ban guns so we're banning ammo htt

Opposition to it should simply stand up and say...you do know that lead as well as all metals come from the environment...thus the ground.

GET AROUND THAT FACT MOTHER FUCKERS.

Why don't we just ban death? That way we can have any and all funs, ammo, and accesories.

>muh birds
>muh environment

As a yurotrash, I wonder why none of this had any impact in the US.

>>35096421
OH great they're using the same excuse California did to ban fmj when lead exposure didn't decrease the ban was lifted

>>35096515
But Europe won't lift that ban (if it happens), once a right is taken away it doesn't come back here.

Man fuck this, they banned lead pellets for shotguns some time ago around here but steel ones prooved to be inefective at killing anything which lead to animals diing miles away from the hunters so they repealled the ban after few years

Fuck that, they always pretexts to try and fuck our lives.

>>35096468
>start dumping arsenic and other toxic shit into clean waterways
>NAH IT'S COOL BRO, IT COMES FROM NATURE!

>>35096421
Buy copper stocks?

>>35096421
>b-but the birds

Stop building giant murder windmill to power your fucking iphone, then maybe we'll think of the birds.

Sensationalist faggotry, only ammunition used for hunting in wetlands is concerned, plenty of lead free bullets meant for hunting exist.

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>>35096421
These fucking EU degenerates need to be shoot on sight.

Day of the rope when ?

>when lead exposure didn't decrease the ban was lifted
i don't believe you

>>35096690
Reread the EU commission proposal again. Like a good goy, you fell for the "government isn't sleazy" meme and you thought they had good intentions.

>>35096421
>”Modern lead-free ’gunshot cartriges, such as steel cartridges, are suitable for all types of hunting in wetlands and are widely available.”
>You will be required to use steel-core AP ammunition
What's the problem here?

>>35096816
>I hate my barrels

>>35096803
I did read it, it suggests that a few tonnes of lead enter the environment in the form of gun shot and that it's a bad thing, while proclaiming in bold that lead free options do exist, hell, if you want to be a conspiracy fag then you could say this is the result of shilling from ammunition companies so people buy more expensive bullets.

>>35096824
It literally says that anywhere a FUCKING BIRD could EAT (i.e. the entire open wilderness) lead could present toxicological issues with those who are in contact with them. This is a blanket ban for any shooting ranges that isn't located in an underground tunnel.

If this has any chances of passing I'm gonna spend a few thousand bucks of ammo, no fucks given.

>>35096851
>I'm gonna spend a few thousand bucks of ammo, no fucks given.
I can't even do that since you can only own a max of 10,000 rounds here.

>>35096816
Steel core ammo is forbidden as well, at least in germanistan.

>>35096821
What about aluminium-jacketed steel?

No civilian lead-bullet ammunition?
STEEL CORED MILITARY AMMO HERE I COME

[spoiler](steel cored bullets are considered military-only in the baltic states,so yeah.no hunting in the baltics anymore.)[/spoiler]

>>35096803
Re-read the proposal, then reread the scope of the actual text.

They proposed banning everything, but the study will only look at wetlands.

>>35096690
Have you seen their definition of wetlands? It reads like an Apple patent.
"Areas of marsh, fen, peatland or water, whether natural or artificial, permanent or temporary, with water that is static or flowing, fresh, brackish or salt, including areas of marine water the depth of which at low tide does not exceed six metres". The wording is also broad as fuck other places in the text: "In concentrations greater than 1% by weight, for shooting with a shot gun within a wetland or where spent gunshot would land within a wetland, including shooting ranges or shooting grounds in wetlands".
I couldn't use lead ammo anywhere I can think of.

>>35097124
see >>35097222


It's worded like that on purpose, to fuck with people. These assholes have hundreds of experts sitting all day thinking about this, you can't win against all-controlling governments.

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>>35096421
yuro-fag here.
>We can still buy ammo with lead
>take the leadfree to the outdoorrange
>prep the rest for better times ;)
>I shoot with brass and copper ammo with my .338 only so ...
>my 1k .308 with lead will ever see the light again
>RIP yurope, its fallen
>send trump to assfuck them pls!

>>35097117
Then they'll wonder what the fuck is happening with ecosystems

>>35097440
sure you can. Just ask the Bolshevics.

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>>35096421
yurope is falling
we need someone to safe us, but I don't know who should do it

>>35096495
It did. You have to hunt with steel shot in most states if I recall correctly

>>35096421
reloading will be more popular. Then they'll ban buying loose gun powwder, then they'll ban reloading, etc. etc. this is endless and gun owners aren't going to win this fight. Just stack up as much as you can legally, buy reloading presses, bullets, brass and primers, try to always have as much powder you can store legally (France : 2Kg max) and pray this EU thing will crumble and destroy itself BEFORE the only ones with weapons and ammo in the EU will be sandniggers. there is no pretty or peaceful way out.

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>>35097996
ask a german hunter about it
>they going mad like hell about Merkel and the greens ^^

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Stupid fucking burgers
>durr da second amendment!
It's as outdated as your rascism

>>35098072

Fucking how?

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>>35098088
https://progresivememetics.github.io/verritifier/

>>35096421
>implying the same thing isnt happening in USA
the environazis are doing everything they can to ban lead used anywhere anytime for anything

>>35098063
Youll be begging for our help when jihad starts eurofaggot

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>>35098088
We have a cure for polio?
They don't count abortion?

>>35098088
Childhood cancer is really rare, almost all parents use correctly sized car seats no days?

People don't let their kids play in train yards any longer?

>>35096421
>all that ridiculous fearmongering acting like steel is the only alternative to lead
While banning lead ammunition is bullshit, so are their ridiculous points against it which pretend steel is the only option and the ridiculous claim that ceasing to use lead will stop current rifling from working. Also, there is already lead free .22lr available in the US. Lies that are completely transparent to any one with knowledge of the subject or access to a fucking search engine only serve to push people away from your cause.

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>>35096421
>there are retards who unironically believe that a proliferation of firearms actually REDUCES crime
ameridumbs everyone

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>>35096421
>we couldn't ban guns so we're banning ammo

A lot of countries already banned lead shot for hunting? This is not new at all in the EU.

Hunters have found that with steel shot, their hits cause less damage to the birds and leave more animals wounded instead of dead. This makes sense since lead flattens out, and steel doesn't.

>>35099213
>Hunters have found that with steel shot, their hits cause less damage to the birds and leave more animals wounded instead of dead
Which is why they either use larger steel shot than the appropriate size lead shot or opt bismuth or other options other than steel.

>>35099230
>they either use larger steel shot than the appropriate size lead shot
Just shoot with magnesium shots

>>35099271
Plus, you won't need to pluck, or even cook, your fowl!

>>35099271
Depleted uranium shot when ?

>>35097117
>some shitty newfag trip
>doesn't know /k/ doesn't have spoilers
just kill yourself now and save everyone else the trouble of having to filter you

>>35098088
Suicide is the second leading cause of death ages 15-34, they probably jumbled the numbers on purpose

>>35099134
You do realize how many scum filled gangs we have here, right?

>>35096851
Underwood/Lehigh (if you handload) have plenty of lead free rounds and/or bullets.

IDK if they sell to Europeans though

>>35097996
I dont hunt bird of any knid but im fairly sure thats only California

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>>35096421
Oh hell no. Time to stock up. Fuck you EU!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j34FFgO-XY

>>35099134
>>>/bant/

Also are you accounting for demographics?

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>>35096421
>Turkey is trying to make guns easier to obtain for law abiding citizens
>Even some talks about letting soldiers own fully automatic rifles
>Meanwhile the EU is trying is hardest to ban anything fun/people can use in self defence

I want off this continent

>>35096533
>Man fuck this, they banned lead pellets for shotguns some time ago around here but steel ones prooved to be inefective at killing anything which lead to animals diing miles away from the hunters so they repealled the ban after few years


Really? Id never considered that a change like that would have such a drastic difference on performance. Admittedly im not a shotgun guy and dont hunt fowel.

Is it because lead is denser, so carries more energy?

>>35099519
I think we have that here in Oregon, but it's only for hunting, and I think it was only for birds.

Has no effect on the rest of our boolits, it's not some retarded blanket ban like the EU wants.

>>35099610
>when you spend more on guns than your home, car, and engagement ring combined
brb geonna become a roach to get blown up in a tank

>>35099632
I think so, to carry the same energy, meaning it is same weight, steel needs to be larger so it looses energy faster, on the other hand it is more acurate so it has its pros and cons

>>35096421
>Have to go to range here anyway
>Want to get a rifle in the Future
Nah nigga get 2 safes, background checks, mental exam, have to be member of a club for a couple years to own certain weapons.
Oh and no lead bullets even in indoor ranges.
Just fuck my shit up

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>>35098099
You're a hero.

>>35099081
Banning the most affordable, plentiful types of ammunition that have been used over a century with no issue and no real proof of harm only serves to push people away from my cause.

You know, my. Not your. Mine.

>>35096468
why are some people on this website so fucking retarded.

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>>35097568
not someone even more authoritarian

two wrongs dont make a right

WE NEED LIBERTARIANISM.. SOMEONE SEND ALEX JONES TO FINLAND

>>35097568
You know this fucker is trying to ban so-called "assault rifles" for civilians, yes?

Do you not know how bad he is for gun rights or do you just listen to the good things about him because /pol/ said so?

Don't bully EU-chan! She just wants to keep everyone safe!

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>>35100623
the pic was just for attention

>>35100648
She's busy choking on sandnigger cock.

>>35099632
Yes. Because lead is denser, the shot will have better penetration at a longer range. Besides being less effective than lead shot, steel shot is allegedly harder on barrels. Not sure if this is true as the shot should be contained in the shot cup until it leaves the barrel.

>>35100553
>you called out the blatant lies of someone that I consider to be on my side, therefore you must oppose me
Are you still in elementary school?

>>35101389
I've shot plenty of steel 10 gauge at waterfowl. I don't think it really damages a barrel. If you really don't want steel on your barrel you can buy copper-plated shot.

>>35099230
yes of course i mean it's not like you select a shot size for a reason right? #00 is just like #4

>>35101389
steel fucks up chokes and causes higher pressures which can make it unsafe in older firearms like oh say double barrels that gun grabbers say are ok.