Why was German "Blitzkrieg" seen as so revolutionary

Because Blitzkrieg is a peer sized force applied with speed where it would be most effective, Deep Battle is basically zerging and relies on overwhelming numbers to cover all bases.

>>35048505
The Germans never once called it the blitzkrieg until after the war. It was just good ole' Prussian maneuver warfare with tanks and planes. Calling it a revolutionary form of warfare was just propaganda. In reality, texts describing usage of massed armor existed for decades before WW2 started, but only the Germans and Soviets implemented those ideas. Rather than admit the enemy won in France because they did their homework and we didn't, the allies spun it as some radical new form of war.

Germaboo and British historians. The French had developed combined arms at the end of WW1 and used them. This is the same reason we end up with the Italians and French being coward memes. British make terrible historians

Idiot, the Germans taught the Russians in the 20's

>>35048505
Both what you would call "blitzkrieg" as well as "deep battle" tactics were used in WW1, what the soviets and germans did was to use mechanized forces to increase their speed and firepower at the spearpoints

>>35048559
Yeah, this is pretty much true. They make everything a fairy tale about how great Britain is. The Blitz against London only cost 40,000 civilians their lives, which is about the same as what the Germans bombed in Stalingrad in just 2 days.

Yet they make it sound like the Battle of Britain was the hardest fought air war ever.

>>35048542
Zerg memes is exactly what the Nazis liked telling everyone.

>>35048505
The two are not the same thing. Did you even look at the image you posted?

>>35048505
Deep battle relies on massive numerical superiority. It's hardly revolutionary to Zerg rush the line and then send in more troops to exploit the points which are getting pushed in.

>>35048680
its pretty true though

the russians used mainly their eastern units as literal cannon fodder

>>35048505
Blitzkrieg is not a doctrine and has never been anything more than just a buzzword.

>>35048680
20million dead Russians WW2

9million dead Germans WW2

>implying zerg tactics weren't used when the russians lost 2.2x the amount of forces against the Nazis

>>35048505
One is for tanks the other is for Zerg rushing. Not everyone has an endless supply of bodies to throw into the fire anon

>>35048771
don't just pull numbers out of your ass

all modern scholarship on irrecoverable combat losses on the eastern front put Germany at around 5 million and the USSR around 8 million

Because America defeated Germany. Even with revolutionary tactics, the Americans were superior.

>>35048845
Total deaths for USSR, civilians and military, is accepted at ~26.5 million whereas for Germany the same metrics estimate ~7 million dead.

So while you're right for combat deaths the numbers aren't exactly pulled out of ass, just includes a lot of civilian deaths that were unlikely to have been used in any zerg rushes.

>>35048505
Because it was the first time those ideas were used on a wide scale. Also note that the British did a series of tests on Salisbury Plain during 1934 involving highly mobile, concentrated armored formations.

>>35048771
Most of this bullshit comes from idiots counting Russian POWs as deaths while German POWs aren't taken into account.

>>35048771
I'm sure that has nothing to do with the differences in equipment and morale brought about by the purges

>>35048505
blitz wasn't a name for it at the time
deep battle is zerg and iso groups
"blitz" was ID weakness and iso defenders

>>35048505
Because Deep battle requires stupid amounts of manpower and material to do effectively and by its very definition mandates substantial casualties. The entire point of blitzkrieg revolves around schwerpunkt which about minimizing your own casualties and allowing you to do more with fewer forces.

>>35048542

First post best post.

Soviet 1920 deep battle required an overwhelming numerical advantage (and didn't really work so well).

Blitzkrieg was the natural evolution of previous german doctrine, integrated with concepts from Fuller and Douhet, and required only organizational superiority, not a shitton of reserves to throw into battle.

>>35048559
>British make terrible historians

I wholeheartedly agree.

>>35048559
>This is the same reason we end up with the Italians and French being coward memes. British make terrible historians

>Everything is revisionist history!!

The cry of the loser.

>>35048680
Deep Battle involves attacking all along the line with overwhelming force and firepower to create numerous holes for exploitation. You can't do that unless you either outnumber or outgun your enemy. So yes, by definition, Deep Battle relies either on zerg rushing, or blotting out the sky with MLRS

>>35048542
>>35048680
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>>35048797
iirc Russian forces never outnumbered German forces by more than ~2:1 overall for most of the war, barring the eventual German collapse. Russians, were however far better at concentrating their forces prior to major battles so the balance would be more like 5:1 where major fighting took place, hence where the 'Asiatic subhuman hordes' meme comes from.

>>35048559
>The French had developed combined arms at the end of WW1 and used them.
So did the British. Source: Battle of Amiens

>>35048559
Go figure the brits are bullshitting their history.

>>35048900
Doesn't help that Germans were a lot more brutal in regions they occupied than vice versa (not to say that the Soviet military didn't commit a lot of warcrimes, or that the Soviet government didn't kill their fair share of their own civilians either. However, the Germans started as they meant to continue with a general disregard for civilian life, brutal reprisals for partisan action, etc.)

>>35049669
I've always wondered how foreign history books treat their wars with America.
Brits
>there was a scuffle and we let them secede
Germany
>. . .
Japan
>FO ABSORUTERY NO REASON, WE GET BOMBED

>>35048505
It's not revolutionary and practically every modern army (no, not Japanese) had a version of it.

>>35049520
Yeah Russians like Artillery, they had a lot more heavy artillery than anyone else. This is true. This is not the human wave meme from enemy at the gates. There is a pretty big difference.

>>35049645
that is if you include german allies as germans. the allies were generally much worse equipped and wasnt used for offensives

And of course, since the germans also killed a lot more russians than vice versa and that the russians simply conscripted more troops to fill in the ranks sort of means that the "hordes of asian subhumans" holds some truth. At the very least, the subhuman part is correct

>>35048505
>We need an excuse for why we got BTFO
>They must had used revolutionary new tactikz
>My fellow Bongs, we shall call it Blitzkrieg
And that's how Blitzkrieg was born

>>35048505
Blitzkrieg was not revolutionary in any way, because it wasn't a thing, german doctrine was exactly the same from the 1800s to the end of the war.

>>35049698
kek

>>35049698
In my experience a lot of the narratives for major events in history are pretty well standardised in the West. However most history curriculums have a slant torwards theor own nation. For example my French textbooks put a lot more emphasis on France and everyone else tagged just along for most of history. When I came to the US, what history they did teach, which wasnt much, was American revolution and fuck yeah USA WWII

>>35048558
MHV is that you?

>>35049788
>fuck yeah USA WWII
As early as 1940, British leadership had come to accept that the second world war was going to consist of hanging on until America came to the rescue.

>>35050457
yeah but unfortunately it seems that people can't go for the middle ground between "AMERICA PUNCHED OUT HITLER AND PUT TOJO IN A HEADLOCK" and "AMERICA JUST SAT ON ITS ASS AND LET EVERYONE ELSE DO THE REAL WORK!"

>>35049708
No one is suggesting human wave memes becuaes lolhollywood
But you are daft if you think assualts dont happen, and the very concept of deep battle requires large concentrations over weakpoints to break lines
Its right fucking there in the op

>>35051443
So does any breakthrough. It's not particularly Russian to make an assault with many people.

>>35048505
woah