What country makes the best arms - hand guns and heavy hardware?

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pls respond

>>35029289
Small arms, tanks, icbms, AA, interceptors, EW, submarines - Russia
Optics, planes, ships, sattelites - US of A

>>35029751
>submarines - Russia

They've always been loud as shit, what are you talking about?

>>35029751
>submarines
>tanks
>icbms

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>>35029767
they're big
big-good

But it's true. American most modern ICBM is 50 years old and T14 armata leaves no chances to enemy. Also T90 is undefeated

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>>35029751
>Small Arms-Russia
OP said to justify your meme answers.

>>35029770
Definitely not.

>>35029751
How good are Russian electronic weapons?

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>>35029289
>AA/EW: russia (can't beat dem S300/400 and jammers, mang)
>planes: US (muh F22, muh F15, muh F16)
>tanks/APCs/MRAPs/IFVs: draw
>Optics/NVGs: obviously the US
>small arms: germany/belgium hands down becase muh FN/HK

>>35029781
There is no way that is safe

>>35029835
that's the point of the pi

>>35029781
I wonder what the comment section of that post looked like.

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No love for the Hun?

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Russia.

This SVCH rifle is the sexiest thing i've ever seen.

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>>35032439
Looks like a gatdamned lasgun, Anon

>>35032439
No

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Italy's always been the best place for shotguns, in particular competition and hunter models.

Lately we're having some new rifles too

Best:
> small arms - Germans
> IFVs - Ruskies
> Tanks - Bongland
> surface ships - Bongland
> submarines - Bongland
> carriers - USA
> fighters - USA
> CAS - USA
> bombers - USA
> soldiers/training - Bongland

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>>35032626
Russian guns literally have legendary status. They appear in country flags, movies and games. Russians are the Gods of small arms.

>>35029289
Belgium. They make the best machine guns.

>>35032820
Russia arms are a meme

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The FAMAS (French: Fusil d'Assaut de la Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Étienne or "Assault Rifle from the Saint-Étienne Weapon Factory") is a bullpup-styled assault rifle designed and manufactured in France by MAS located in Saint-Étienne, which is now a member of the French government-owned Nexter group. It is being replaced as the service rifle of the French military by the HK416F. It is known by French troops as "The Bugle" due to its distinctive shape. The FAMAS is recognized for is excessively high rate of fire at 1200 rounds per minute.

>>35029795
Not very. Considering their electronics are way the F behind.

>>35035140
>inaccurate
>plastic
>blowback
>bullpup

Try agin

>>35032820
because they were cheap and all of the shit hole countries could only use aks

>>35029781
umm, are they using their neighbors house as a bullet trap?!

>>35032793
I've got to second this. Italy's shotguns are things of beauty.

>>35029289
ATGM: USA
javelin uber alles

MANPADs: USA
Stingers have been more battlefield proven than any other MANPAD.

>>35032815
t. bongland

>>35033000
Trips confirms.

tbqh Russia just did a thing first and spread it around quickly.

Every other country then did the same exact thing only way better and just kept their stuff to themselves for the main part.

But being the first DOES count for something and it's true meme status, flags and shit.

>>35036799
>tbqh Russia just did a thing first and spread it around quickly.

What the fuck am I reading.
Until the commies came, Russia had no colonies and no proper arms industry, it was importing licenses or goods and definitely not selling anything anywhere.
Russia was, other than Israel, the last country to do "thing", not the first.

>>35029751
>Optics
aimpoint
Schmidt & Bender
Zeiss
Leica

>Small Arms
Accuracy International
Beretta
CZ
SIG
FN
HK


Come on nigga.

>>35037869
>Good Small Arms
>Accuracy International
>Beretta
>CZ
>SIG
>FN
>HK
What is this? 1990?

>>35037869
>>35037986
G L O C K

Is it fair to say that most of these machines, weapons systems, etc. are designed for different doctrines, so it makes comparison kind of hard? Idk I'm just speculating

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Germany
HK416/417/123//USP
Panzerfaust/Milan
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.
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MK23

Missiles and missile launchers : USA
Small arms : Belgium, Austria and Germany
Ships : USA and France
Aircrafts : USA
AA guns : Russia
Rocket launchers : Russia
Artillery : Germany
Tanks : Germany
Light vehicles : Germany
Submarines : Germany

>ICBM
>Implying we have access to objective information on strategic weapons

>>35038050
>germany germany germany

Isn't Germany an occupied country thats not allowed a proper army?

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>>35038050
More like
Missiles and missile launchers : Russia
Missiles for planes: USA
Small arms : Russia
Ships : USA and France
Aircrafts : USA
AA guns : Russia
Rocket launchers : Russia
Artillery : Russia
MLRS: Russia
Tanks : Russia
Light vehicles : Russia
Submarines : Russia

>>35035140
wtf is this shit
First one is innnacutate, where is the selector and the streaks around the barrel for rifle grenades ? This is a MAS 223 not an F1.
Second one is either airshit or photoshop.
"G2 shorty" was officially named "commando" by GIAT.
"surbased" means nothing in english, the correct translation for "surbaissé" is "low profile". Also this was a prototype.
"G2 Felin" was an early prototype, and also it isn't actually a G2 but a G1. Those were supposed to be FNH-built, had an F1 magwell and a G2 stock, the magwell is non USGI compatible anyway.
tl;dr : this is full of bullshit. And the famas sucks.

However :
>>35035199
>inaccurate
wrong
>plastic
wrong
>blowback
it worked
>bullpup
that's not the problem.

>>35035199
>inaccurate
It's pretty comparable to an M4 despite being a tad inferior, anon. After all, all rifles that wear down tend to lose its accuracy, 4moa being the minimum for the US military (Wouldn't be surprised if there are worn 4moa M16s)
>plastic
The receiver is steel with a plastic shell to hold it, there's nothing wrong with lever delayed blowback just like there's nothing wrong with roller delayed blowback. First batch of brass ammo was both out of spec and a worn rifle isn't going to make it better, along with cases of bad failures being overexaggerated as the kevlar cheek pad protected the user.
>Bullpups
Bullpups are a mix bag and subjective, as there arr shit examples and great examples.

>>35038074
What does this have to do with the weapons industry ?

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>>35038108
>Artillery : Russia
How so ? What's the Russian equivalent of the Pzh2000 ?

>>35032815
> small arms - USA
> IFVs - Ruskies
> Tanks - Germs
> surface ships - USA
> submarines - USA
> carriers - USA
> fighters - USA
> CAS - USA
> bombers - USA
> soldiers/training - USA
ftfy

Why german tanks? Did I miss something?
Post those great german tanks and what battles they've served in, I can't find anything from the past 70 years.

>>35038210
>soldiers/training - USA
>Spics and niggers eating american MREs pretending that their baby training was hard

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>>35038195
>What's the Russian equivalent of the Pzh2000 ?

Uhh. Mstas and Koalitsiya-SV?

>>35038238
>>35038210
>soldiers/training - USA
>half the soldiers are only in the army so the state can pay for their education/medical treatment

>>35038195
>Pzh2000
>>35038249
>Koalitsiya-SV

Where has it seen fighting????
Half the thread is showroom models.

>>35038255
>Msta-S
>Msta-S howitzers were used by Russian Army to deliver artillery strikes against Chechen separatists during the Second Chechen War.[1]
>Msta-S howitzers have also been used in the War in Donbass by the Ukrainian Army as well as pro-Russian separatists who captured one machine during the conflict.

>Koalitsiya-SV
>first seen in public (initially with its turret covered) in 2015 during rehearsals for the Moscow Victory Day Parade. The 2S35 is expected to supplement and eventually replace the 2S19 Msta

>>35038255
Well the PZH2000 had some fighting in Afghanistan.
Only a bit, but it did it's job and vapourized the few Hajis.

>>35036700
>Stingers have been more battlefield proven than any other MANPAD.
Doubtful, Strela has most likely seen more action. Since its featured in basically every local conflict since the 60's.

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>>35038294
Russian MANPAD can shoot down American helicopter.

>>35038300
Is this one of those kurdish communists we are going to have to kill in a couple of years?

>>35038349
Yup

>>35038356
Should probably stop selling them guns right about now.

How can stinger compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm43qGznNOk

>>35038349
Yes. See the video with sound, the sound the Igla makes when he pulls the trigger is beautiful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53alaPLcOaY

>>35029770
Depends on what you intend to use them for.

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>>35029289
Sweden.

>>35029289
Switzerland for highest quality small arms and decent afvs
Swiss are considered autistically obsessed by precision by fucking Germans, which speaks for itself

Israel overall because permanently in war struggling for survival outnumbered 50 to 1 by arab shitskins
they can't afford throwing money away for overpriced memeshit like USA or suicide boxes like USSR/Russia and China

>>35038359
they will get genocided by Turks, just like Armenians and Greeks

>>35038402
Russian arms have two missions - prevent a USA siege/invasion of Russia, and make it expensive for USA to invade smaller countries.
A submarine can't do the second, its too expensive, so probably the first? Not sure its worthwhile.

>>35029289
Israel seems to learn from the best. The best in tank building, the best in bullpups, the best in rifles...
Some of it's weapons traits are similar to the ones you can find in Finnish rifles (ex: Galil), for instance. Another example is the Merkava, that has a lot of Brittish gear on it.

It seems like Israel will take an existing idea, put it on trial and see how it works in practice, and from there design and upgrade it further according to the need.

At the moment I heard Israel is designing a new Kalashnikov, called the AK-Alpha. If I am not mistaken, it is currently competing against the Russian two shot bursts AK (shooting 2 bullets before recoil takes effect).

I do wonder what happened to the CornerShot.

>>35029781
Maybe just trolling and it was an airshit gun?

>>35029826
>EW: russia
Confirmed to not know shit about EW.

>>35038754
>CornerShot
Probably used by SF. For anything else it's a meme.

>>35038364
>that old ass Oscope in 2:44
The absolute state of Russia

>>35029289
Small arms: Austria. Have you seen the durability and reliability of most models out of austria?

>>35029781
Is she about to shoot your neighbour through your fence??

>>35038404
Lol
The karl gustavs, Jet fighter targeting systems, mobile artillery and sprcial forces are nice but that is about it. Their navy is not even equipped with anti air ordinance - most ships only have heavy machine gun as a placeholder.

>>35037986
No, it's 2017 and Russia is even more shit.

>>35029289
Since US and NATO more or less share tech I'm clumping hem together.

That said, they are superior to everyone else in all areas.

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I wouldn't discount French planes so easily.

>>35038210
>Germs - tank
US and Germany practially share the same tank design. Matter of fact they share many parts in common.

>>35029770
You sound like a feminist when you say that.

>>35038300
I think that is from Chechnya, so it's a Russian manpad shooting down a Russian helicopter

>>35035140
So. . . .
Is that a FAMAS?

>>35029289

All categories
>United States

Why?
>Money

>>35040743
Turkish AH-1W SuperCobra helicopter, Made in USA helicopter.

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>>35040743
Its a turk helicopter

>>35041593
Money and being at war for the last 30 years or so

>>35040672
>French equipment
>Discount
Nah, they're generally marked up in price heavily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Khankala_Mi-26_crash
how can stinger compete?

>>35029767
>They've always been loud as shit, what are you talking about?
No, they're reasonably quiet before poor russians let them go to shit.

Not... like... US quiet, but they've got a year or so of being kinda quiet 'fore the russian rot sets in.