Should soldiers still be issued with bayonets, or are they outdated

Still issue them. They serve as decent knives and can be used if needed.

When would a bayonet ever be used? Why would a man ever let you get that close

Its mainly just a knife holder

No reason you can't have a knife that affixes to your rifle as well.


Sword bayonets are the coolest thought.

>>35011877
This, /thread, fuck off obongo

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they still do...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Op1zjd7KKE

>>35011864
No.
Yes.

>>35011927
Wouldn'd having a knife there affect the bullet?

t. Clueless

>>35011864
They still serve a purpose as a tool, attaching it to the end of your gun in an extreme circumstance is just a bonus now.

>>35011864
They should definitely be issued a knife that can be put on the end of their guns. Should they train anything but the basics of their use, primarily focused on aggression? Probably not.

>>35011944
...no

>>35011864
>outdated and unnecessary
no
>impractical
yes

They are hardly ever used but a soldier should always have a knife, same as they should be taught how to fight bare handed

>>35011944
Yes, it will. But who needs bullets when you have knife? Do you know saying? Don't bring gun into knife fight.

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>>35011927
that's pretty metal

>>35011944
It won't be as accurate at long range as a rifle with a nice target crown, but this is such a minor difference (especially inside of 600 yards) that no average soldier would ever notice

>>35011967
Pretty sure it was the Brits that did the most recent bayonet charge too.

It was a success, I think the guy said that all the terrorists scarpered because they had always been told that British soldiers were cowards and were surprised when they started getting stabbed to death.

>>35011981
yeah some Scottish dude I think

Bayonets are a means to build aggression in your soldiers in a way guns never can, that will never be outdated

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>>35011864
The last time they tried to phase them out ww1 happened and everyone got reminded why bayonets are still a thing.

with ww3 just around the corner I'm not surprised the thinking is coming back.

They probably deserve a redesign though into a fully functional camp knife that can bayonet on the side.

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>>35011967

>that guy charging with the bayonet yelling YOU MOTHERFUCKER

>>35011967
he he good 1

>>35012019
Why hasn't a company made a gun hatchet yet? I know they're impractical, I know I'll never use it, but I want one. And while the axe bayonet from agents of shield is similar, it's just not the same as this.

>>35011927
Looks like a laugh

Did people become knifeproof?

>>35011888
Several times in Afghanistan. It actually scared the taliban

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>>35012027

>>35012019
>The last time they tried to phase them out ww1 happened
Nobody tried to phase out bayonets BEFORE wwi. Though many soldiers drooped bayonets during wwi in the favor of clubs.

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>>35012019
>They probably deserve a redesign though into a fully functional camp knife that can bayonet on the side.

The M9 serves pretty well as a utility knife. It was handy enough to keep on my person for a whole deployment, especially for cutting c-wire.

I've never used pic related, but I believe the product request from the Corps was "KA-BAR on a gun." It doesn't have wire cutters or a serrated spine, but I'm sure it works pretty well and probably balances better than the M9.

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>>35012047

>>35011948
What's the point I'm carrying a weapon your not trained to use? Bayonet training is used as a way to teach controlled aggression as well. Staff are massive fuckheads on purpose when teaching bayonet

>>35012047
Think about how force is distributed you fucking retarded shit. You tomahawk a rifle and it'll break or bend because it is for horizontal force, bayoneting is also horizontal force. How the fuck would you even effectively chop with it? Have you held a gun or a tool besides your father's divk you entire fucking life?

>>35012083
I can't work out if that's dumb as fuck or kind of clever

>>35012090
>hurr durr somehow a fraction of an inch of aluminum the buffer tube is threads on to won't crack
Fucking summer there needs to be a year ban on new IPs.

>>35012106
Where did I say I thought it would work?

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>>35011864

Yes every military weapon should have a bayonet.

>>35012129
>kind of clever
It's fucking retarded, it will never stop being retarded

>>35012162
what's going on here?

>>35012106
>a fraction of an inch of aluminum

Is there any reason it can't be a thicker tube made of steel? It's not like cops patrol on foot with their trunk guns.

I guess any semblance of balance would be fucked, though...

>>35012171
Balance would be fucked, the receiver would have to be fuck heavy, barrel would be fuck heavy, firing mechanism would have to be fuck retarded to compensate for fucking retards swinging thief rifle it will be fuck expensive because of the above and just carry a fucking axe on your belt at that rate.

I'm not mad at you I'm mad at the memory of my dipshit brother tomohawking my first .22 against a tree after taping a knife to it.

>>35011927
>not posting the better video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFgSmR0i3A

>>35012169

Some guy got too close to the guard or he jumped the fence; either way the guard took it as a threat and didn't have time to charge his rifle so he pointed his bayonet at him.

>The Queen's guard point their weapons at people fairly regularly

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>>35012202

>That voice crack
>Them FALs

>>35012169

Black guy was probably being -too- obnoxious.

Annoy them so much that it actively impacts their duty and they point the gun at you with a loud 'STAND BACK FROM THE GUARD'

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>>35012212
>>35012202
angry little scottish man

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>>35011864
Why are they unnecessary? What would be the disadvantage in issuing them?

Bayonets have been a necessity in every modern conflict. You gain literally nothing from taking them away.

>>35012202
I wish moustaches would be manly again.

>>35012233
To save the weight and discourage soldiers from thinking they should use them and dying in the process.

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>>35012250
>t. doesn't understand the purpose of the bayonet

A bayonet is not supposed to be used as a substitute to the rifle, it is to be used when the weapon fails to fire during a close encounter. This is literally the only situation the army trains you to use a bayonet in.

>Muh weight
>Let's get rid of this useful tool that has been consistently used in combat for the past hundred years to reduce your weight from 120 pounds to 119 pounds

>>35012233
>You gain literally nothing from taking them away.
>M9 bayonet and scabbard weight: ~1lb
>1 30-rnd mag of M855A1: ~1lb

You gain something rather more useful.

>>35012278

Did US soliders have bayonets fixed in Fallujah?

I'd imagine in a cqb situation it's easier to stab a hadji instead of doing SPORTS if your weapon fails.

>Also dat intimidating factor

>>35012299
A 30 round magazine is pretty fucking useless if your weapon fails to fire.

Also
>Implying modern infantry doesn't carry more than enough ammunition already

Why is the army full of reformer faggots like you that think they know better than hundreds of years of field testing and experience?

>>35012299
You lose.
>knife
>wire cutter
>mine probe

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>>35012310
I don't know about Fallujah, but there are multiple benefits to issuing bayonets

>The training teaches soldier controlled aggression
>A bayonet is a multi-use tool
>Used when weapon malfunctions during a close encounter with the enemy
>Intimidation factor
>Bayonet is part of the British (and most other) military heritage, playing a part in combat and rifle drill.

>>35011864
No, we just forgot they need to be at least 1' long so they haven't seen much practical use.

>>35012310
Marinefag here, I had mine affixed.

>>35011888
It's pretty useful to just have a knife in the field, to just do knife stuff with. Also some of them can be put together with the holder to make shears for cutting barbed and concertina fences.

As for being used in battle. I can only see them being used if a unit runs out of ammo. Or against a trench. We seem to only fight non state actors now and they don't live in trenches

>>35012370

Why? Where you deployed?

Genuine wondering

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>>35011864
Stabbing someone is never outdated if they get close enough.
A pointy bit to attach to the end of a rifle isn't gonna cost much, and will prove worthwhile when the soldier needs it and actually has it.

See >>35011877
>>35011918

>>35012382
The primary purpose of the bayonet is to be used during a close encounter with the enemy in the event that the weapon malfunctions. Hence why the British always affix them when fighting through an enemy position (don't know about other countries, but I suspect many are the same).

>>35012391
in fucking fallujah, can you not read?

>>35011864
Ask the DHS why they purchased tens of thousands of them.

>>35012395
>That webm

Wut

>>35012404

No I'm drunk af

>>35012416
Southern Comfort.
Some Louisiana Coast Guard soldiers get lost on patrol, piss off some Cajuns. Only armed with blanks.
Fun little movie though the "bad guys" were a bit too justified.

>>35012424
Fair enough, sounds daft.

>>35012365
Lots of forces seem to forget they even exist. Coincidentally they're also the ones who tend to run away because they've just been charged by a bunch of angry squaddies and their plan has gone to shit.

>>35012399
I'm no expert, but I'm convinced the primary purpose these days is to get the lads into the right mindframe, the stabbiness is a handy byproduct.

>>35012370
Did you stab anyone with the bayonet or was that a precaution because the enemy was getting too close?

>>35012428
It's easy to forget they exist at all when they're the size of an M9

>>35012428
I'm sure that getting people into the right mind-frame is certainly a factor. What I was getting at is that when they train you in the British army, they emphasise that the point of a bayonet (in combat) is for it to be used when the weapon malfunctions.

>>35012404

Did you ever use your bayonet in Fallujah?

>Pls gib Fallujah stories

Ok, forget the primary stated use of stabbing people. Anyone with any camping experience will tell you it's pretty nice to have a knife around. Multitools are nice but sometimes you gotta whittle down a stick or cut some rope to length. So you've got a knife.

This is the fucking dumbest thread I've seen here in years.

>>35012451
Yeah sure, but having it affixed is going to bring that training out and make it absolutely clear that it's no longer tactical plinking time, you're going to overrun some cunts.

>>35011864
Sure
We need to be able to kill chinese without bullets

>>35012454
I'm not going into the nitty gritty but I had mine affixed to poke things I thought were booby trapped, and I was scared of running out of ammo in a fight.

>>35012085
>What's the point I'm carrying a weapon your not trained to use?
You aren't going to be bayonet fencing anyone. You'll be AT MOST stabbing dudes without bayonets, and more likely intimidating crowds with them. How much training do you realistically need to do that? Certainly less than people practised prior to WW1

>>35012202
THE BAYNIT

>>35011944

Your zero will change, but accuracy may or may not.

>>35012356
>knife
You already carry one.
>wire cutter
Your issue Gerber does that already and doubles as a second knife.
>mine probe
Nah mate, you probe for mines with a hideous ground-penning radar/metal detector hybrid, wire finders, and optics.

>>35014412
>You already carry one.
Like... the bayonet?

>>35011927
Fucking hell, that brings back some memories.
'WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?' 'BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD!'

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>>35012088
Calm your moobs, man, you're reacting like he proved you're a semi-literate teenager.

>>35011864
A decent multi-tool will do you better for day to day stuff, but a bayonet is still worthwhile for plenty of stuff as well.
Plus we seem to end up in all sorts of 'police actions' and dealing with cranky civilians being dickbags. So having a unit fix bayonets is a pretty good way of showing that we're really sick of your shit and will stab your sorry arse if you get too close.

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>>35012310
>>35012370

>>35011864
>Should soldiers still be issued with bayonets?

Yes, absolutely. Bayonet charges aren't a doctrine anymore, but hand-to-hand fighting still happens regularly and bayonets are useful when closing with the enemy or fighting in buildings.
They're also very useful when doing "police duty" in certain parts of the world. In some areas it's not uncommon for locals to reach out and touch/grab the end of your rifle, especially when you're telling them to back off. Having a blade fixed to your rifle dissuades them from doing so.

In the end, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

>>35015608
>>35017801
>They're also very useful when doing "police duty"
No they are absolutely not. Do you ever see riot police using bayonets? Advanced sharp edge gear (pikes, swords)? No? Do you know why? Because it sucks for policing. Bayonet is lethal weapon and threshold to its use basically the same as for gun, it is decision to start killing people. And gun absolutely trump knife in the effectiveness and safety for user.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmvbv-3Idp8
Can you imagine couple cops going out and starting stab people with bayonets in this situation? They would be teared to pieces by freedom fighters. But couple shooters scattered and send protesters shook troops back.

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>>35012299
>Anon fag at night in a foxhole.
>Anon fag boot Can't see for shit.
>Enemy assaults said anon fag's foxhole with a bayonet.
Anon pisses himself.
>Anon fag as no time to line up for a shot.
>Anon fag is now pic related.

Bayonets are like condoms, better to have one and not need it, then to need it and not have one. Besides a blade is useful for other purposes as well.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v391XdqQUI0

>>35017838
We said "police duty/actions" in a military context, like in Iraq or Afghanistan, not in a national police/riot police context.

>>35011864
Yes, basically having a spear that shoots bullets would be usefull.

I know that sometimes it can be the straw that breaks the camel's back, quite literally in terms of weight, but the idea is the same as a sidearm: Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

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>>35017927
It has same problems for "police duty/actions" in a military context". "Never carry a knife if you don't intend to use it". And if you choose to use it aka killing people guns are infinitely better. Threats with weapons that can't used are empty and dangerous with false sense of been armed.

>>35012212
>FAL

L1A1 SLR


And yes I'm wonderful at parties.

>>35018010
>I'm too stupid to figure out how a fucking spear would be useful for crowd control & making idiots think twice before grabbing my carbine's barrel: The Post

>>35018027
Why aren't riot police use such """useful""" tool again? Why didn't US embassy guards send unarmed Iranian students back with bayonet charge?

>>35011927
That looks like a fuckin riot

>>35018047

Cause riot police can't hurt the precious snowflakes anymore. it's the current year after all.

Riots used to be taken as serious societal threat, nowadays fagatron people created fagatron politicians that think that chimp outs are part of (((democracy))) and therefore we can't rough handle these agitators.

>>35018047
>I'm too fucking stupid to distinguish between a national riot police v protesters and soldiers v insurgents

Just stop, it's obvious that you have no fucking clue what you're on about.
Also, riot police DID use bayonets in the past. They replaced them with less-lethal measures.

>>35018109
>send soldiers to fight insurgents with bayonets
>what can go wrong?

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>>35018109

>>35011864
Yes, and the rifle length should be increased to make them at least 6 foot tall, otherwise the enemy infantry will outreach them and enemy cavalry will destroy them in charge.

>>35012075
Check early Springfield bayonets(rod bayonets).

Basically, rifles could reach 2km easily so some retards figured out that CQC won't happen anytime soon and made flimsy pseudo-bayonet to "make it work".

>>35011877
>Decent

You fucking high? Or maybe your army. Or maybe a civilian who bought a brand new one.

In the Marines, infantry, circa 2006-2010 we we're issued dull ass Vietnam era kabars. They weren't fit to cut open your MRE. I would of had to bludgeon my enemy with a dull rusty knife.

>>35018024
>>>/reddit/

>>35018295
At least you would've killed him eventually with tetanus.

>>35018295
Every post that complains about bad gear tends to start with "In the Marines"

>>35018443
We had dope ass gear. They didn't give us good kabars because bayonet fighting isn't a thing anymore. They we're still issued gear.

Know a few guys who brought stone kits and sharpened theirs. Not supposed to, but not like anyone cares.

>>35017838
>>35018010
Military policing riots in country are absolutely willing to kill people. The difference between a bayonet and a firearm is the psychological effect. A bayonet is an immediate danger to everyone nearing it, without the wielder having to do anything but keep steady while someone approaches. It also allows for prodding, advancing while braced etc. In short, it allows to escalate the threat level in a more nuanced way. (Also, minor stabbing wounds are way more survivable than gunshot wounds.)

>>35018530
>The difference between a bayonet and a firearm is the psychological effect.
Indeed. When someone pulls out knife everyone just stand around like "Now what? Show? Lets see", maybe back up couple steps. When shots are fired people immediately start to run for their life at escape velocity.

>In short, it allows to escalate the threat level in a more nuanced way
>>35018047

>>35017838
We aren't 'cops', we're soldiers in a mostly hostile country and when a crowd of people starts getting too close- We'll fix and warn.
You fuck around and keep getting within knife/fist swinging range despite being warned, we'll shoot you deader than fucking disco. Your soon to be dead friend wants to grab a rifle, he gets stabbed in the guts.

People we're dealing with aren't your disgruntled student unions that run like rabbits at the first sign of cold steel, they know if they start some shit up there's going to be blood letting and the sad reality is that some people only understand a punch in the fucking head. The other reality we had to face is that if we're in trouble, its only you and your boys who will get you out of the shit or keep each other alive long enough for someone to come help. Not a pretty truth, not politically correct in polite society and not something we actually want to do, but we had to protect ourselves.

>>35018443
Every sentence from a marine starts with , "in the marines..."

They are just attention whores who want to feel special and important

>>35012623
>poke things I thought were booby trapped
Isn't that, you know, exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do to things you suspect may explode? Sort of like kicking a dog in the bollocks to see if it's aggressive.

>>35012310

I read somewhere that they generally didnt, until they cleared a building and some meth fueled arab fuck stabbed a marine with his bayonet at the end of his AK before getting btfo by the rest of his squad.

From that point on they were ordered to have bayonets fixed at all times.

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>>35018495

>thinking bayonets need to be razor sharp to work as intended

Its for stabbing, not cutting. Of fucking course its a marine whos the one who doesnt understand basic concepts.

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>>35019521

>>35011927
Nowhere near as good as the OH
https://youtu.be/HxFgSmR0i3A

>>35019629
OG*

>>35011864
They are outdated, but still issued. Military has a hard on for not making relevant progress. We still qualified for foxhole digging and shooting this millennium.

>>35019668
How can killing someone with a sharp object be 'outdated'?

>>35019786
Sharp objects aren't but bayonets are. It's extra shit you have to carry on you, and takes up space in your kit. Also, 'fix bayonets' isn't something you do in the middle of a breach. Bayonets are outdated because the don't get used in battle anymore, it's as simple as that.

>>35012395
I remember that film

>>35019809
You do know that a soldier's knife *is* the bayonet, right? It's the same object. And knives are the second most useful thing a soldier can have.

Bayonets are used in battle more often that you obviously think.

>>35019851
>Rifle
>Handgun if issued
>IFAK
>Water
>Food
All of these are more important than a knife to an infantryman. In a time where they are saddled down with so much shit that they disassemble MRE's to cut weight, do you think that a 1lb knife is something that is super important? They could just be issued a small folder and be just as well off. CoD isn't real life, soldiers aren't using knives in combat. Bayonets are not used in battle.

>>35018295
Marines aren't allowed to have sharp bayonets, some people have gotten told off for trying to sharpen theirs.

>>35020041
Their ASVAB isn't high enough

>>35019929
>several examples of soldiers using bayonets in combat posted itt
>THEY DON'T USE THEM IN COMBAT SHITLORD.. REEEEEEEEE
got it... you just want to push you pov and wont listen to anything else

>>35020117
Where are all of these examples of soldiers using them in combat? All I really saw was one Marine saying he affixed his, which could be attributed to low ASVAB or "hey, this is neat". Maybe we should issue swords because of that one Scot that captured a platoon with one.

>>35019929
A knife is the number one survival tool
A knife doesnt run out of bullets
A knife is the most versatile tool to give a soldier


Also Its not necessary that soldiers carry around all their food and water with them, they have a base for that

>>35020278
Not every soldier goes back to base every night. And I don't disagree that a knife is handy, but even the one on a multi tool if fine, because soldiers using a knife in combat is like one in a million. If we more to a new service rifle I can easily see the bayonet getting phased out.

>>35018295
>>35018443

>being so dumb that you didn't realize that knives need sharpening

>>35011864
I'd use one for sure

>>35020333
Not an argument

>>35011864
Steel will always beat flesh no matter what year it is ya ding dong

>>35018295
Gee Jarhead, ever heard of sharpening?

>>35014412
>Your issue Gerber does that already and doubles as a second knife.
Try to cut c-wire twice with an issue Gerber. They're alright, I love them, and they'll get you through a single strand of concertina one time, after that the teeth are usually fucked. M9 will eat c-wire all day, every day.
>Nah mate, you probe for mines with a hideous ground-penning radar/metal detector hybrid, wire finders, and optics.
That shit's all great for getting you in the ballpark, but I still use a probe to actually detect the edges and dig it out enough to work on it. I'm not just gonna smoke landmines and IEDs under the only road in the country.

Mind you, I didn't use a bayonet for probing. I used a plastic conductor's baton in case I was probing some science fair conductivity experiment. I did use a bayonet to dig, though.

>>35018295
>>35018495
>>35019610
>>35020041
Do you guys think that KA-BARs are bayonets?

>>35017860
>when you were sleeping i was mastering the blade

>>35020203
http://militaryhistorynow.com/2014/01/17/stickin-it-to-em-the-last-of-the-great-bayonet-charges/

Here are some examples from basically everything.

>>35012188
>tomohawking my first .22 against a tree after taping a knife to it
Did you gas him? I hope you did; you can't just let people that stupid roam the streets freely.

>>35020054
That's true. It's a shame the Army is even lower.

>>35020608
Gee civilian, ever heard of illegal maintenance?

>>35014412
I don't know who's military you're in but I didn't get a Gerber issued to me. Also fuck your radar, I'm required to throw a grapling hook to probe for mines. Also, fuck your Gerber that shit is not getting through C wire in a timely manner.

>>35012070

No

>>35022781
Not much detail on any of them after WW2. The only 2 in the last few decades being British and sustaining "light" casualties against 28 goat fuckers. Don't know royal army tactics, but I'd hope there would have been 10 to 15 swinging dicks there. Anything less than obliterating them with zero deaths and little to no injuries is fucking pathetic. This doesn't really do anything to prove combat effectiveness of bayonets.

I'd rather hump enough ammo than have to rely on a fixed bayonet, but it would be better than using an empty rifle as a club. Hell, I'd rather have a sharp stick than an empty rifle.

Current warfare hasn't had many incidences of mass close quarters or human wave type combat, but we may see such tactics when the NoKo situation comes to a head.

In the meantime, a bayonet works as a combat knife, a tool, and a cutting implement, and I'd much rather have one than not if I was currently stationed in South Korea.

>>35018295
Fairbanks-sykes said its better to dull your knife so it doesnt get stuck in bone

>>35026338
That makes sense. His knife was also a dagger meant for pointy thrusts.

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>>35026338
Fairbairn said nothing of the sort. Some soldiers dulled the tip slightly because it would get stuck in bone. Not the rest of the blade; the Fairbairn–Sykes was expressly intended to have a very sharp edge as a sharp cut bleeds faster and is harder for the body to heal than a jagged one.

>>35026351
Fairbairn–Sykes could cut just fine.

>>35023050
>implying the legality of maintenance supersedes your need for an effective weapon or tool
If my life depends on it being sharp, I would risk time in the brig as opposed to having a shit tool that doesn't the way I need it to.

>>35011927
Dumbass Brits

>>35026464
>neck stabs
pretty worthless aren't they?

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>>35028123
>ripping out at least one if not both jugular veins along with the windpipe is worthless

>>35028135
I could partially decapitated once, and I'm still here.

>>35026464

>harder to heal to spite your enemy

Doesnt this violate some kind of law?

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>>35028143
Wut

>>35011864
Unnecessary in the sense that they were hardly ever used. In Storm of Steel, Ernst Junger describes crossing trenches in WW1 and rather than stabbing with bayonets, people would either shoot from ridiculously close ranges or use their rifles as clubs.

They are useful as a tool but pointless in combat.

>>35028144
No? Either way Fairbairn was big into "dirty" fighting since his days in Shanghai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUx6px3HQ2s

>>35026464
Thing we found with them was the tip was comparatively delicate, it'll bend or snap off so armourers would put more of a chiselled V point on them

>>35028123
Fuck no, literally one of the worst places to get stabbed or slashed, traditionally sentry removal was done by jamming the knife through their throat and punching forward, thus removing the jugulars, wind pipe cartioid artery and it'll be all over by the time they hit the floor.

>>35018295

It's WOULD HAVE. Would've is a contraction of Would HAVE, not Would OF. Fuck.

>>35012310
>Also dat intimidating factor

Just like racking a shotgun is gonna scare off those home invaders, right?

These fucking memes.

>>35011864
I'd rather have a pointy stick/ club than just a club tbqh...

>>35028123
you stick the knife in the side of the neck and thrust forward tearing everything out.

>>35028187
Should of. Should of. Should of.

Shut the fuck up bitch. God you panty waist
.>>35027327
1-800-no-serve
Operator, are you there? How's that NJP looking?

>>35027327
Your life doesn't depend on it tho idiot.

>>35028144
NZ Army here, we're told to maim, not kill because it puts more than just on person out of the fight, so long as you're not shooting inbreds with no sense of camaraderie

>>35028370
Yeah but then he's just squealing and gurgling and whistling, that's Not Stealthy.

>>35011888
banzai charge

>>35028520
Quieter than shooting him with an SMLE.

>>35028144
There's a law that weapons have to be designed with the intent to kill (or something along those lines).

>>35012202
>FIND SOME SETTLE, ROUND ME!
>That's it, get in there so you can all see... THE BAYET!

What did he mean by this?

>>35011864
You know whats not outdated? Those wrap around puttees that british soldier on the left is wearing.

>>35026464
>sharp cut bleeds faster and is harder for the body to heal than a jagged one.
That must be why surgeons don't use scalpels, which are the sharpest thinnest edged knives available.

Oh wait...

FYI it's not that they don't heal, it's that the veins/arteries can't close as easily

>>35028123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDGHKyB3T_U

>>35028972
U wot?

>>35011864

There was a situation in Iraq involving the retaking of Baghdad Airport. Republican Guard had barricaded doors and exits with fuel tanks. Jet fuel is highly flammable, and would combust if shot.

In order to clear the corridors safely and leave the airport in one piece, the Marines involved were given the order to fix bayonets. Just a modern example for you.

>>35015517
>pic
STOP

>>35018117
You say that as if soldiers are being sent out with bayonets and no ammo. The beauty of a bayonet is it's attached to a fucking rifle you dipshit. You get more options.

>>35023050
My CO gave me a four day pass on the condition that I sharpen all the bayonets in the arms room enough to at least cleanly cut paper.

Most M9s have sharpening stones set into the scabbard. I don't understand where you got the idea that it's illegal to maintain the edge of an edged tool or weapon. Imagine if I told you that it's illegal to clean a rifle in the military. You'd call me an idiot, and yet here you are, telling the internet that it's illegal to sharpen a knife in the Corps.

>>35029070
Wraparound wool puttees that go around the calf to ankle to increase stability, keep shit out, and keep legs dry when in wet or snow.

>>35012310
Nigga, someone got cold steel tomahawked in Fallujah.

>>35011864
WHAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE BAYONET?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxQKF2gkMgo

>>35012003

its always the jocks.

>>35011888
To verify if that corpse is really dead.

>>35011864
It depends. If a force is going to be seeing ridiculous amounts of extreme close quarters, in-your-face action within stabbing distance, it may save a life or two. Bayonets also presumably make handy tools for all the other shit we use knives and knife-like things for. Other than that, bayonet training may help instill a sense of confidence and aggression, and bayonets naturally still have ceremonial use.

>>35028144
>>35028611
The law is just that weapons that cause unnecessary suffering (like blinding lasers or gas), and specifically expanding bullets, are banned.

>>35012240
The clothes don't make the man, the man makes the clothes. If you rock it, own it.

Just don't grow a fucking giant beard. Those are never, ever good. You're not a fucking caveman.

>>35012233
>Bayonets have been a necessity in every modern conflict.
The spear has been in every conflict, ever. Literally a mace is the only older weapon.

>>35011927
I remember the first time I did bayonet training. Marching on the spot, crawling about the mud, face down in a dirty puddle at attention, all while being screamed at and covered in fake blood.

It was fucking class.