What will the Australian army use after the ef88 and f88? Also

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>>35006668
Dumping some pics of the rifles

>>35006668
5.56 NATO is a measurement, and it does use a round of that size, it's just not the same one used by some other nations.

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>>35006694
Ah alright. Thanks anon.

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>>35006703

>pay taxes
>government buys gun
>won't let me shoot gun I bought
Fucking cunts.

>>35006760
We'll never have these or any type of gun like this because of fuck head Howard.
But I'll leave that discussion to my other thread>>34979340

>>35006668
Probably some boring ass generic AR-15 derivative that people will get excited about for some reason.

>>35006819
You'd think that but i have a feeling it'll be another weird fucking rifle. For some reason after the f88 and ef88 came into being with the adf alot of push back from the commandos and SASR wanted the m4 to take over. Saying that "thw f88 and ef88 are self defence rifles not combat rifles which is what the adf riflemen needs"

>>35006910
what the hell is that supposed to even mean. EF88/F90 looks like good development process. Lighter weight, better integrating GL, replaceable optics, railz. What's the AR better at besides jamming?

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>>35007188
>AR jamming, doesn't understand the benefits of the platform

Found the nogunz

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The Australian Army adopted the M16A1 in the 80's but Colt refused to sell the manufacturing rights. So they adopted a gun from a company that would.

>>35007241
Never knew that.

>>35007188
Glorified plastic gun mate. Good for fighting off small attacks not waging war.

>>35007259
>He thinks small arms have made a significant difference in any war waged in the last 80 years.

>>35007338
Soldiers and good working rifles win battles
You are a retard.

>>35007370
nah hes right. small arms are irrelevant to modern warfare, any western army could be armed with 10/22s and it wouldn't affect their ability to perform because its artillery, CAS and a strong logistical base that do the heavy lifting.

>>35007370
Spoken like a 17 year old moron.

Air strikes, artillery, strategic maneuverability, and armored vehicles win battles. Some high school drop out with a rifle is just a warm body to sit in a bunker and act as a cop.

>>35007370
And what about your AUG clones make them not good working rifles? First hand experience greatly appreciated, or do you not have any?

>>35007381
Not if he is trained dick head.
>>35007380
Yes it would. They wouldn't have the fire power to reach out past 100 yards with a 22, with refined skill yes. Im talking about the new rifle, and what research i have done tells me it's good but ain't no m4.

>>35007410
wtf are you even talking about "good"
AUGs (and clones) are fine compared to the m4. Have you even shot an AUG or an AR15?

>>35007410
>I'm talking about the new rifle, and what research i have done tells me it's good but ain't no m4.
>8lb 30 round 5.56 with 20" barrel VS 7.5lb 30 round 5.56 with 14.5" barrel
The differences between the EF88 and M4A1 are effectively irrelevant, noguns.

>>35007217
so what's the AR going to do that an AUG doesn't?

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>>35007417
Lot of bullpup fags crying here.

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>>35007530
I own an AR-15 you dumb nigger.

>>35006668
The most memetastic shitposterific weapon available to them.

>8" barrel
>Top loading gravity assisted magazines
>Toggle lock action
>Two modes of fire, auto 1 @ 600rpm and auto 2 @ 1500rpm
>Chambered in .303 British due to plebiscite vote results
>Under slung didgeridoo
>Magazines able to accomodate a 375ml sized can for on the move tactical Bundy holder
>Bayonet a scaled up SMLE bayo

>>35007508
have a beautiful crisp trigger

>>35007538
>owns ar15
>uploads a piece of shit build
Kill yourself.

>>35007548
You still haven't proven you've even shot a gun. You just keep using ad hominem attacks.

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>>35007539
I'd buy that

>>35007551
Why the fuck do i have to prove it to you.
Even better how do i prove it to you, here I'll come over and stick it way up your ass and pull the trigger.
Take your fucking piece of shit build ar15 and exit the gene pool you fat fucking weeb.

>>35007562
>starts argument about rifles
>hasn't shot a gun
>insults a gun and still refuses to give any kind of evidence he's even fired one
lmao

>>35007410
>what research i have done tells me it's good but ain't no m4
MW2 is not "research"

>>35007569
But i have. So why the fuck do i have to prove it cunt muffin.
>>35007586
No but reading and talking to vets is.

>>35007612
So you actually know nothing and have never shot a gun?

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>>35007636
I have. Can't you fucking read?

>>35007648
Sure thing. Tell us about all those guns you shoot.

>>35007648
You say that in the same breath you spout noguns bullshit and vapid shitposting, so skepticism is justified.

>>35007612
Talking to vets doesn't mean shit. The vets I've met don't know much more about guns other than how to operate them. The AUG has proven track record as a reliable firearm, and the F88 is an improved AUG. Just because some grunts from a noguns country want M4's so they can be 1337 op8rs like the Americans doesn't mean it's a bad gun. You do realize that the same part of the f88 that's plastic is plastic on a lot of other guns right? The SCAR has plastic furniture and a plastic lower. The M4 has plastic furniture and there are plastic lowers for it that work just fine. Unless you plan to beat a few dozen people to death with your gun it isn't an issue.
>>35007543
Found the noguns. Have you ever felt a milspec trigger dude?

>>35007648
>posting sam hyde
>not knowing jack fuck about guns
You've obviously gotten lost, here's where you should be
>>>/pol/

>>35007648
Post your AR, it's probably better than my shitty build.

Ef88 vs M4?

Australia went with the f88 because colt wouldn't give them the rights to manufacture their weapons. Colt did all Austyers are manufactured in Aus and like most of the ADF they will never see action so atleast They can be of some use and contribute to the Australian economy.

Both the ef88 and the M4 have about the same fire rate and effective range (300m). But so do pretty much all modern 556 rifles. The reasons that the SF use m4s are; the ef88 is heavy (3.6kgs vs 2.3kgs), the position of the magazine makes reloads awkward (why they put the fast release latch on the ef88 but this cannot be fixed on a bullpup), in the case of a jam stripping is awkward. Also remember that the SF didn't ditch the ef88, they ditched the original f88 which is much worse than the ef88.

>>35007380
No, they really are and are cheap for long term, sustainable warfare. Stuff like CAS, artillery, drones and air power costs big money and its a limited amount. You can have a lot, but over time it will run out eventually, bullets and rifles are cheap and if you have to make-do by sneaking into Muhammad's house and murdering everyone in it with a rifle, it's still the same effect as dropping $1000's of HE ordinance and 10's of $1000's in flight time.
Plus, at the end of the day, no one got shot or blown up that didn't deserve it and have your boot on someone's throat is a pretty good confirmation of a kill. There's no 'maybe' we got him or anything else to factor in, with a rifle you either get him or you didn't.

Things with the F88 at the time are mostly addressed with the F90. We preferred the M4 as it was light, decently compact, magazine is free fall for faster reloads, could mount up decent optics/lasers/rangefinders/launchers/grips etc with minimum of fuss and the adjustable stock was very useful for wearing armour to have a comfortable sight radius. The F90 did 'most' of that with a couple of exceptions- the stock and lack of free-fall mags.
Aside from that, the F88 was a really easy gun to teach people to shoot, when we're training people we don't run on the assumption they've ever used anything more offensive than bad language. So when they pick it up and a very short time later you can have any fucking muppet hitting man sized targets at 2-300m = success.
The M4 as a weapon is better as a 'shooters rifle', meaning if you have a lot of trigger time on one, you will hit more accurately and more consistently. They're also very good on full auto, but not to the extent that I think the AR platform is really any better than the 88's, the 88's trigger takes a little more to master with the 2nd stage, but can be very effective when you've got someone experienced on it able to adapt from precision shooting to suppressive fire on a heartbeat.

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>>35007681
Fuck me I've triggered some people.

>>35007707
lol dude, it's all good. Just post your gun.

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>>35007718
Haha Yeah sure.
Here.

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>>35007724
Look, I took another picture of mine. It's really that easy. You do have guns, don't you?

>>35007737
You are the dumbest cunt i have ever meet.

>>35007740
lol anon, I hope you got your "lulz". You should really try going to a shooting range and renting a gun to shoot, it's really fun.

>>35007753
Yeah I'm thinking about it. But prices to shoot here in Australia are fucking out there.
Like licence wise.

I wasn't lying when i said i have shoot a gun just it was a 22 bolt and the 308 kicked my ass.

>>35007758
What 308 was it?

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>>35007765
Bolt action 308 Remington i think. I was only a kid when did try.
Been into guns ever since.

Gun looked a lot like this

>>35007774
That's a Remington 700 VTR. You can probably own one of those relatively easy in Australia.

>>35007781
Yeah my uncle had it when we out hunting roos.
Took the roos head clean off.
Man I'm jealous of you americans. You guys got the good shit.

>>35006711
>20" w/gl
this is the only aesthetically acceptable configuration of this gun. also checked

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>>35007788
Holy shit checked

Why is it that Australia makes the best guns? The aug, owen gun the list goes on

>>35008240
Aug is Austrian m8.

>>35008278
Australian*
Common mistake m8 I'll forgive you.

>>35008291
Either you're putting out some low effort bait or you're just retarded, either way I am mildly annoyed.

>>35008308
No need to be so rude m8 I was just correcting you is all.

>>35008371
Yep, shitty trolling. Git gud faggot.

>>35008419
Not an argument sweetie

>>35008424
>Sweetie
Hang yourself.

>>35008441
You seem to be very upset do you wanna talk about it?

>>35006668
>5.56x45 nato
You do. Different loads don't make it a different cartridge.

>>35006668
The F90.

What reason would they possibly have to move away from the F90?

>>35008501
You're just gonna try all the shitty bait in the book aren't you?

>>35006668
416

>>35008546
I'm not trying to trick you m8 i am genuinely concerned for you

>>35008598
You're really bad at this

>>35008630
I love you

>>35008655
Really bad

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>>35008441
>>35008371
>>35008278
>>35008546
>>35008598
>>35008630
Stop it you're not helping.

>>35007788
Nice triple dubs AusCuck.

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>>35008822
>>35008830
>>35008842
Nice pics mate. Thanks.

>>35006711
Are those grenade launchers allowed into the country because I would do NFA paperwork for that set up?

>>35006668
What kind of 5.56 cartridge does Australia use?

>>35007241
That guy in the background's grinning like he's just about to take a big old shit in the middle of someone's day.

>>35007612
Does your mom know you're using the internet right now?

>>35006668
Turns out nobody uses 9mm either, they all just use their own loads of 9mm wide bullets in cases for 9mm bullets

>>35010693
They could theoretically import the receivers.

>>35007539
>.303 British
Return the glory days

>under slung didgeridoo
kek

>>35007690
>stripping is awkward
completely untrue. Receiver slides nicely out of the butt stock by pushing the retaining block through the stock. It's very fast and smooth. Removing the barrel is very fast too.

Reloads are not awkward at all, it's simply what you train on. If you've done the IA drills on the steyre 1000 times like any Aussie soldier your reloads wont feel awkward at all.

The only downside to the F88 IMO is the extra weight (especially with extra CES attached) and the need to move your hand from the magazine to release the cocking handle rather than pressing a bolt release button.

>>35012272
Exactly. If they taught me how to do it in half an hour it MUST BE easy.

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>>35007539
This is the shit!!!!
Id buy the shit out of that (fuck Bundy though)

Shit yeah, ejecting brass straight in to your fuckin teeth if you use it with your non-master around a corner. Fun times.

>>35007666
>Found the noguns. Have you ever felt a milspec trigger dude?
Yes I have fired EF88 and M4 and relative to the EF88 trigger the M4 trigger is a dream.

>>35007707
No dude, you've just embarrassed yourself.

>>35016162

what the fuck you got against bundy cunt?

sugar cane champagne is delicious

>>35008822
you look like you're on basic training

>>35017447
It's a picture from Diggerworks you retarded mongoloid.

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>>35011588
He's grinning because he's holding the clacker attached to the det-cord leading to that claymore

>>35017481
>>35017488
Bbut claymores are directional blasts! He'll be fine just like in the movies!

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>>35017499
Tfw they issue you a helmet with the last guy's blood still in it

shot the ef88 a bit... really liked it. definitely an improvement over the F88A2 styer

awesome sights!

>>35017493
I wonder what the actual blast pattern of a claymore is

Like a circle behind and then an arc in front right?

>>35017502
that right there is silently telling you they don't like you or welcome you into their group. good luck anon, youve got some big shoes to fill it seems

>>35017515
The steel balls are projected in a 60° fan-shaped pattern that is 6.5 feet (2.0 m) high and 50 m (55 yd) wide at a range of 50 m (55 yd).

>>35017529
>50m
holy shit that's way more than I expected

What's the guaranteed kill range?

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>>35017513
True that

>>35017534
It's all relative to your position infront of the claymore, a prone man has a much smaller chance lf getting clipped than one standing.
Wouldn't say it's very lethal, does make a pretty good dent in the ground however..

>>35017534
no guaranteed kill range but 700 ball bearings propelled by 680g of C-4 will fuck ya up

>>35017572
zeroed mine in 2 bursts, and it was factory brand new made in 2017. pretty cool gat

>>35017534
Most of the ones I've seen where technically lethal out to about 100m at least, course if you're even clipped by one of them you're not going to want to be there for much longer. You will be in the proverbial world of shit

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>>35017607
It's a dream for combat shooting

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>>35017607
>>35017689

>>35017468
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>>35017481
Get out of here phill.

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