/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

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>The CHAIR-force are a bunch of pu-... uh, nevermind sir

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>>35004276
I'm in the national guard 11b.

I got the opportunity to try out for a nearby scout unit. The indoc is soon and I don't really know much about what it takes to be in the unit.

Any scout/snipers here who have experience with that kind of stuff?

>>35004276

Been thinking about joining for awhile, signing on as a navy corpsman. Wanting the military lifestyle, I need it. GI bill is pretty damn sweet too.

What should I expect? Any other navy corpsmen here?

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>>35004276
>People who lives are a fucking disaster before they join end up being disasters while they are in.
Is this true? Will I be fucked in enlistment?

>>35004799

Mate, every kid who enlists is fucked in some way or another. 18-22 year olds don't make good decisions period. But you will learn discipline because it will be imposed upon you until such time as you learn it.

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>>35004276
Question for all the Libertarian /k/ommrades who served here.
How come you claim hatred for the fed but end up serving the fed?
Is it literally just for full auto funs and a chance at combat?
I see so many people who are anti-government on here but also just as many who have served. What's that rationale? Not trying to argue, genuinely curious.

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Ok so question. I am about to go through the process of joining the RI Nat'l Guard. I want to go 35M (Human Intel Collector), but the job may not be available. Is it worth it to go airborne infantry instead? My state doesnt have much else available besides plumbers, carpenters, masons, SF, and arty.

>>35004901

No no no. Cheat code.

35M, Option 4. Just ask.

>>35004901
You know it's possible to join another state's NG

Best mistake I've ever made.

>>35004860
The Army is the army. it is ran by a civilian on purpose. The Army could BTFO the secdef and coup if they wanted.
>The army may fight for the government but it is not the government.

>>35004901
If you're looking to be a foreign language based 35M, I can answer questions about DLI (language school).

>>35004958
Fuck, that's brilliant.

>>35004960
I know but I want to stay in state because Im going to college, hopefully at URI

>>35004995
How hard is the DLAB and how hard is it to go through DLI? I cheated my way through French(up to French II) and I am decent at understanding the root of words.

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How bad are student loans at around $5,000-10,000?

When you go to ship Army BCT, do they weight you at MEPS and reception or just MEPS? Right on the line and want to play it safe.

>>35005039
33% get above a 95 on the DLAB last time I checked.

>>35004388
Bump for answers

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>>35005182
Well fuck me then, there goes my hopes of being 35M then. Is there any real way to study?

>>35004860
I have deep opposition to the state and the role the military plays (not on Libertarian grounds, but rather reactionary ones). I joined to fulfill a familial legacy, to improve myself, and to get those sweet ZOGbux.

>>35005220
sorry for the late reply
not really. as far as i know theres no way to study for it
sorry man

>>35005079
both, but if you're on the line it won't disqualify you, there are literal fatties in basic

>>35005079
Avoid PCP (Pork Chop Platoon) and you'll be fine.

>>35005048
thats a fucking pittance in the US

and stop shitting up /bant/, isabelle poster

>>35005546
What gets you in this?

>>35005528
So if I'm under at MEPS but over at reception I'll be fine?

>>35005850
It's where they put all of the fatbodies who aren't up to standard.

Note: I said fatbodies who are not UP TO STANDARD. If you're 20 lbs overweight and can still knock out the IST, you're fine.

>>35004860
The best way to improve a system is from the inside

>>35005220
>>35005500
No good way to study for it, but an anon was recommending this kind of stuff a while back:
http://lingclub.mycpanel.princeton.edu/challenge/puzzles.php

>>35005220
Two of the best languages that will help you on the DLAB are Chines (for tones) and Latin (for declension).
There are non-language 35Ms though.

>>35004366

Only an af guy would view a cct as a badass.

>>35004276
I'm wise to his tricks, he can't lie to me when he sees I've been lied to before.

>>35005861
>So if I'm under at MEPS but over at reception I'll be fine?
yes

>>35004816

Complete bullshit.

You'll be the same person going in as you were coming out. If you were an irresponsible moron then marching around a bit and wearing a uniform isn't going to change you; in fact, having your own money is what damns a lot of kids - they get into debt buying stupid shit and screw themselves for life.

>>35006095
Jesus THIS. '18 MUSDANG and a dependa they find at the closest bar to the gate.

>>35004860

The obvious answer is that they're all just full of shit. They want to sound like big men who don't need the guvment teat but the fact is that it is extremely difficult to live without depending on programs which are paid for by tax money.

It is also pretty difficult to set up a good life. Guys who have the free time to be sitting on 4chan are either already set, are children who are being taken care of, or are living paycheck to paycheck barely feeding themselves.

Also, you're dumb for not realizing this on your own. Is that a revelation?

>>35006117
>The obvious answer is that they're all just full of shit.

This. It might also be an issue where they don't realize that something they get actually is a form of government subsidy or benefits from a subsidy.

Just ask literally any person who opposes "Obamacare" but doesn't want the Affordable Care Act repealed or Medicare/Medicaid touched.

>>35006177

Yeah, the older I get the more disappointed I am to find that the average person is a moron.

There are a lot of defense jobs with the federal government and contractors where I live and I can't tell you the number of younger guys under 35 who cry about the welfare state and such. They are always working in sections that wouldn't be sustainable if the war economy suddenly ceased to exist.

Fucking government workers who whine about anything really grind my gears.

>>35006256
>average person is a moron.
This. The amount of people I grew up with that dropped out of high school and decided to blame the gov blows my mind

How long does it take to get waivers to clear? I've submitted paperwork to my recruiter for back issue and childhood asthma (both are well within requirements for waiver.) am I essentially just playing a waiting game for the recruiter to call me and tell me I'm clear to go to meps? Will I fill out waivers before meps?

>>35006326
>How long does it take to get waivers to clear?
worst case, 1 year. Waiver times are weird.
I'm currently waiting for a waiver that my doctor wrote a letter of release for and it's been 2 weeks

>>35006289

Whoa, well people where I live at least graduate from high school... they just don't do much else afterwards.

>>35006350
I got a waiver the exact day I got back from being DQd from meps for missing a testicle to an accident. It all depends on what the fuck you got wrong with you.

>>35006289
my best mate did this and he had a rental home, a car and the startings of a workshop going in a shitty outside shed before we had finished year 12. not that that means anything, motherfucker was driven and knew what he wanted to do, and higher education was the slow road. dude was /k/ as fuck in one of the most unfriendly to /k/ places ever

>>35005220
>>35004901
There were a bunch of slots for 35M when I was dealing with the recruiter recently. Hit that shit up nigga.

How long into the application process do you have to change your mind?

I'm having last minute regrets with my choice.

UK btw

>>35007587
Don't know about UK, but here in 'murica you can back out at any point up until your're on the bus to basic.

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>>35007599
>your're
kill me

>>35007599
I believe its the same here. I don't want to back out, just change jobs.

But I am slightly afraid of asking because I feel bad about wasting my recruiters time.

>>35006177
>>35006256
>>35006289
its worse than that, there is a strong correlation btwn red states whose dominant political identity is "fuck the gov we better off without it" and states that are straight up on welfare from the rest of the union. Texas being the major exception.
Its the same story with food stamps
Its super clear every time total federal aid is looked at

>>35007634
feeling like you're "wasting someone's time" vs committed to a job for YEARS. you decide.

>>35007711
To be fair, this largely stems from the huge black population in the South. If you compare whites to whites the disparity between states is much lower.

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>>35007711
Hmm I wonder what those """red""" states have that the northern states don't... Or why Texas seems to be the exception... HMMMMMMMM...

>>35007634
In a year, your recruiter will not remember your name. If you don't want to do a job for four years minimum then you best speak up now.

>>35007761
>To be fair, this largely stems from the huge black population in the South. If you compare whites to whites the disparity between states is much lower.
the welfare state and the shitty situation comes from retarded leadership that actually believes shit like trickle down economics

>>35007837
The economic system you use doesn't matter if half your population has 80 IQ. Likewise, if the population has an average IQ of 110+ things tend to work out no matter what happens (see Germany or Japan or South Korea).

>>35006040
>CCT not badass
I bet you kiss navy SEALs fagit

Anybody got experience with age waivers? How long do they take to clear? (Marines)

Is the National Guard REALLY 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks every year (barring deployment)?

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Active:
>put school on hold/severely limit amount of classes I can take, better benefits and job experience

Reserves:
>keep going to school, severely limit amount of benefits, but can get my 4 year degree by 25 years of age

What should I do? Anyone on either side of the fence want to weigh in?

>>35005048
That's like $100/ month for 10 years senpai

I've got $20k and I'm paying $400 a month but I'll be done in 5 years

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Any of you guys want to know anything about the australi- oh wait we banned men from joining

just watching our army cuck itself one feminst tranny at a time

>>35005039
My understanding is it's tough, but being familiar with conjugating words in other languages will help a lot. I did Rosetta Stone German in HS as an elective, but didn't do as well as I could've in Spanish because I didn't put in the effort.

I did four years as a mechanic in the US Navy, I worked in the engine room. If you join the Navy you'll meet some of the most retarded and weird people in your entire life. My dad was a Marine and eventually went into the Navy as an HM. Before I joined he told me, "son, you'll meet some fucking wackos". Boy, was he fucking right.

>>35008680
I have an Associates and 60+ credits from a community college that I can transfer to ASU. I figure I can pump out those last 2 years of college while I'm in my POG intel job.

>>35009320
Define "retarded and weird" please. I'm curious.

What's a path like for someone who wants to fly drones?

What branch is full of the most normal individuals? From what I can tell as an outsider,

>Army
Guys who tend to be fairly average who wanted to join the military
>Navy
Guys who tend to be a little quirky and wanted to join the military
>Marines
Guys who tend to be jocks and wanted to join the military
>Air Force
Guys who tend to be nerds and wanted to join the military

>>35009435
>guys who tend to be jocks and wanted to join the military

I was the kid who got bullied by the jocks in school but yet I'm joining the marines.

>>35009435
>Army
Dumb but fairly normal
>Marines
Dumb jocks who love the koolaid
>Navy
Weird as shit sometimes but overall not to bad
>Air Force
Weenie hut jrs

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>>35009384
Retarded? Here's on I was just telling on another board.
I worked in the Main Machinery Room (MMR) on a carrier. That's the engine room, or propulsion plant, whatever you want to call it. Well, every once in a while we'd have inspections down there, some admiral or someone important would want to do a walk through and see how shit's running and our cleanliness level. It's the same thing every time, our Division Officer (DivO, some lieutenant) would want to make a really great impression and have us down there for eight hours scrubbing shit making it look cleaner than the mess decks. The admiral would literally just walk through the plant in twenty seconds and leave.

But anyway, down in the plant we had a JP5 manifold. That's jet fuel. People from different departments would come down and take samples of the fuel and check for impurities. I don't know why it was in our plant at the bottom of the ship, we didn't work with jet fuel, but it was there (pic related). Sometimes we'd sneak a little bit to use as a cleaner to get really bad grime. I'm talking basically just dipping your wirebrush in it and quickly getting something.

So this one guy gets a section of tygone tubing, just a length of plastic hose, and puts one end of it over the JP5 nozzle. He cranks it on full and walks around the MMR with his thumb over the other end of the tube and sprays shit down like he's watering his garden. I'm talking gallons of jet fuel being sprayed on running equipment, in the bilge, puddling on the deck plates, dripping off shit. It was the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

>>35009470
no way

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>>35009470
Which carrier

>>35009320
how much did you get paid a year at the start and end

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>>35009470
As for weirdos, there were plenty of them.

On our ship each space would have four trashcans. One for: plastic, metal/glass, paper, and "dunnage" (everything else). End of every day someone from each space would take the four bags of trash to the trash disposal space. I forget what it's called, it's been fucking years since I was in, but it's just this space where they either burn the paper, melt down the plastic, or bag shit up and just toss it overboard. The new guys to the ship that aren't qualified to do anything either work there or on the mess decks cleaning up tables or whatever.

Anyway, one of the guys living in my berthing worked there, and he'd steal bloody panties from dunnage that some of the chicks on our ship would throw away. He'd root through the trash and just take nasty soiled panties and bring them down and put them under his pillow. He'd also make shanks from hacksaw blades by wrapping one end with duct tape and hide them in his rack, he ended up trying to stab someone with one.

We had one fat redhead guy that ran a makeshift porn studio while in port. He had all this expensive equipment, he even had another dude on our ship be his star. They'd set up ads on craigslist and he'd film this other dude fucking local skanks in dirty hotel rooms. He kept a lot of his shit in his rack, and one day the chief tossed his racks and found tons of fucking dildos and shit lmao.

You'd have people that came into bootcamp and didn't know how to tie their boots. People on the ship that wouldn't shower and sleep in their rack after a full day's work in the engine room in their uniform. People would take shits in random trashcans or on the deck in various parts of the ship for no reason.

>>35009483
Yeah, it happened.

>>35009517
Reagan

>>35009524
I don't even remember. I'm married too, so I got paid extra.

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>>35009470

What the fuck haha

>>35009470
>>35009541
Jesus. How were the officers, I'm assuming that these chucklefucks were enlisted

>>35009647
Yeah they were enlisted. Since we were nuclear we had a mix of conventional and nukes. Basically the nukes went to school for an extra two years after boot camp and came on the ship with an E4 rank. You had mechanics, electricians and Electronics Technicians. The mechanics (Machinist's Mates) were supplemented with non-nuke MMs, they were called conventionals. Conventional MMs and nuke MMs did the same job, stood the same watches, and lived and worked together. Just the nukes were more well trained and got rank easier.

As for the officers, they were all nuke officers. Some of them were pretty cool, some of them were total assholes. See a lot of the nukes attracted the weirdest guys, and the conventionals were just your average dudes with a good mechanical aptitude. It was a very weird mix. The nukes would all sit around and play DOTA or Diablo on their laptops, read fantasy books or watch anime, conventionals would talk about cars, go out drinking, or lift weights. But everyone got along. So since our officer's were nukes, they were kind of weird like that too.

>>35007777
cool image, is this pretty current? thanks

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>>35009435
>Army
"I wanted to do military stuff."
>Navy
"I wanted to do military stuff and I like ships."
>Marine Corps
"I wanted to do military stuff and Oorah Semper Fi Yut Yut Yut Yut Kill!"
>Air Force
"I wanted to do military stuff but I joined the Air Force."
>Coast Guard
"I wanted to do military stuff but now I do cop stuff."

>>35009458

That is like more than half of the Marine Corps - manlets who have something to prove.

People need to stop spreading bullshit. Everyone in every branch is the same... imagine that.

>>35008680
R O T C
O
T
C

>>35010119

I know that afrotc has two year programs, I've also seen one year programs for prior enlisted.

Stop making up your own bullshit. Go talk to the cadre and find out the real info...

>>35010149
Two years or more. NROTC is 30 units or less. Idk about AFROTC.

>>35010158
Groovy, thanks. I'm at a community college currently to get my AA, but I'll look into ROTC when I get to a university.

>>35010167
You don't have to go to a college to enroll in an ROTC program. If there's a nearby college that offers one, you can join up. Alternatively, if you want to YUT YUT KILL KILL BE A MUHHHHHHREEEEEENNN, you can do PLC (Platoon Leaders Class). Their obligation is only over the summer, although you have to be in tip top shape to get in.

>>35010167
Although I must confess that I don't know what an AA is or if you can commission with it.

>>35010198
>>35010158

When it comes to contract lengths, how do they compare to that of an enlisted man? Almost every officer I've known of has been career military, and although I may be very good at it and wish to do it for a living, I'm currently only looking towards doing 4 or 5 years and moving on (unless I get reactivated of course.)

>>35010300
3 years for the non-scholarship cadets, 4 years for the cadets on scholarship. If you can, get the scholarship.

>>35006040

>doesn't think CCT is badass compared to some pog or disposable grunt
>literally twice the training of non-medical SEALs, Rangers, and Force Recon
>expected to keep pace with everyone from CAG and DEVGRU to SF

I'm legitimately surprised that some people are smart enough to remember to breathe.

>>35010349
High speed airtraffic controllers are pretty cool desu

>>35007191
Jesus Christ. What happened?

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I have the opportunity to try out for a LRS unit, and I decided to take it

What am I in for?

What kind of training should I do to prepare?

What's the test like?

Anyone have any experience in a scout unit?

>>35010784
how did you get that opportunity, can you ask for it in your contract?

>>35010784

I thought that the Army was phasing out LRS units for some dumb reason...?

>>35010811
No, I'm already in the guard and there were openings in a nearby recon unit. They have openings for 1 E5 and 4E4s and below in their unit and they let my unit know about it. I sent up that I was interested and I'll be trying out for it soon.

>>35010825
Apparently not, at least not in the guard

>>35007608
But thats correct.
"You're" = you are
You're on the bus
You are on the bus

>>35010032
I'm 5'11" faggot I'm not a manlet

how much sleep do you get on a ship that's underway

>>35010349

Lol, faggot airman trying to justify his existence.

kys, you tryhard

>>35011096

I'm not sure whether you're being serious. It is sad if you are and it is still sad if you aren't since that implies you're even shorter.

>>35010922
>YouR're

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How does becoming an officer work if you have a degree

Do you go to boot camp and then to officer school or do you stay enlisted for a while and then get picked up to be an officer

>>35011546

An answer that can be found with google.

I doubt you'll ever be an officer if you're this incompetent.

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>>35011612

As an officer I can just make a dumb grunt like you go find the answer for me while I kick my feet up

>>35011723

Except I'm not an enlisted person.

Also, when you make stupid decisions as an officer at best you are relived of command, at worst you go to jail for dereliction. You don't have to worry about that though since you'll be sitting on 4chan telling people about how you're going to join the military for the rest of your life.

The discussion on intel and CID yesterday got me curious. What's the difference between CID and Army MP/officer? Does the air force security forces/officer have actual investigators or do they just scan badges all day?

>>35011723
>As an officer I can just make a dumb grunt like you go find the answer for me while I kick my feet up
kys

>>35011843

AF security forces scan cacs, OSI does investigations. Google it to find out more.

>>35009401
There's literally an entry-level Army MOS for it.

My recruiter told me that I need a pilot's license in order to be eligible for the WOFT program, is he bullshitting me? There's nothing on the USAREC webpage about that.

>>35007777
>>35007761
explain montana then, or west virginia, wyoming, the dakotas whenever their oil resources aren't temporarily giving them a huge boost, new mexico etc. etc. also kentucky isn't that high on the having blacks scale and its still a shit welfare state.
I mean not the thread for this so apologies /meg/ but that is such a bs 4ch excuse

>>35011723
I was going to tell you but you seem like a cunt and the military would be genuinely better without you.

Also learn what grunt means.

>>35011992

Ignore or report people who bring up /pol/ tier subjects here.

/meg/ is already shit, don't contribute to its shittiness.

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>>35011723

>>35011990

By eligible he probably means competitive. He doesn't want to put in the effort because he thinks you have no chance.

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>>35011781
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>>35012043

Truth hurts, huh?

Must pain you to know that the military knows educated people like myself are so above you in terms of intelligence that they give us ultimate power over grunts despite having no real experience

Feel free to start kissing up to me now because I might just be your boss soon

Is being a specialist as memey as people make it out to be

>>35012124

Gonna have to try harder than that.

Also, I think it is hilarious that you seem to believe being a military officer is prestigious. That makes me think your family is full of poorfags.

life in the ranger regiment better than the big army?

>>35012124
>>35011546
>>35011723
this is bait ffs

>>35011843
I'm the anon with the direct-to-CID contract you probably talked to or saw the other day.

Army MP does a lot of gate guarding, yeah. Think of them, though, as a patrol cop. They write speeding tickets and stuff of that nature. They compose the drug suppression team so contrary to popular belief, they do a lot of the stuff involving weed and not CID unless it is a felony quantity or some other crime is involved.

Army CID Special Agents do all felony level crimes involving Army personnel. Murders, rapes, other sex assaults are the big ones. Things involving treason are handed off to Army CI usually. Stuff like fraud and cyber crimes to go civilian 1811 Army CID agents (usually these are former military agents).

If Army MPs are patrol cops, think of Army CID agents as detectives, basically. Biggest difference, IMO, is how they are treated. CID Agents don't have a chain of command with traditional officers (aside from provost general and Army CoS) and are mostly segregated from the rest of the Army. BAH and authorization to carry 24/7.

Don't know much about Air Force security forces or OSI, other than OSI does both crimes and counterintel work.

>>35012907

Please don't stop posting when you fail out of CID and end up as an MP, anon. It will be the sweetest schadenfreude after watching you talk about shit you have no knowledge of for months.

>>35012907

>direct-to-CID
>not OSI or CGIS

literally why

>>35012767

Yeah, some kid probably 20 years old in college, probably a poorfag whko was the first in his family to go so he has a big head and thinks he is special.

It is still fun to talk to people like that to get them to reveal how much a mouthbreather they are.

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>its an "Airman is sick for 999999999% of the time and constantly complains about its hip, even though its in its 20s" episode

Why is the USAF the "People of Walmart" branch? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Does the government call your references for Top Secret clearance?

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>>35009435
>tend to be nerds

Air Force aren't nerds

>>35012976
OSI and CGIS doesn't do any street-to-seat programs

>>35012919
>>35012977
Why so salty guys? Someone asked so I answered.

>>35012990

They usually send an investigator to talk to them in person. They will also use those points of contact in order to find other people who knew you and talk to them.

>>35013010

With OSI you can go in as Officer or Enlisted and carry the same responsibilities, the difference is that enlisted have to be in for three years minimum already while Officers can commission directly as special agents.

...your gpa was non-competitive wasn't it?

>>35012988
Air Force is a branch full of physically inadequate dweebs who were coddled by mommy and haven't physically pushed themselves since BMT. They enlisted in the easiest and safest branch but still want to be part of "the club" of actual military vets.

Makes sense in that context. Weaker = more prone to injury.

>>35013023
Enlisted, not true. You have to have enlisted and already be an E-4 to E-6
There are 250 commissioned OSI Agents and it's the #1 requested job besides pilot. My GPA was 3.6

>>35013036

What? I thought you had to be E-5 to get in as an Enlisted, which took a 3 year minimum.

>>35013047
As I said, no street-to-seat.

>>35013020
Well, there goes any chances of getting a job with a TS.

>was homeschooled, barely knew anyone outside of family
>my three references are people I haven't spoken to in 10+ years

Oh well. Such is life

>>35013052

Ah. Well best of luck to you in CID. I'm trying for CCT, get my degree while I'm in, and Commission as a pilot. CI is pretty fucking cool though, I've always been confused as to whether or not CID handled just criminal investigations or also counterintelligence.

>>35013068

Mate, you're literally a Unicorn. You don't know enough people to have done bad shit.

>>35013068

Just put people who don't know you that well. This is the stupidest reason ever to not pursue a TS.

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>>35009483
>>35009470
You guys gotta realize that this is the type of shit that makes it fun to be in the navy. These are great stories. If his stories were " ya i joined and it was boring and nothing exciting or weird ever happened" those would be the lamest stories ever.

>>35013069
No, CID just does crimes. OSI is much better for experience but the way in wasn't the easiest for someone like myself. Either way good luck

>>35013036
What's the appeal of OSI? You really want to stare at kiddy porn all day?

>>35013080
This is true. I haven't smoked the weed once. I had a boring life thus far.
>>35013088
Would that even work? I thought the references had to total to 8 years. So it's not like I could tell them to interview someone I met yesterday

Also, can you even change your references?

>>35013028

And whenever you call them on it they talk about the less than one percent of them who are jtac, pjs and cct.

It is just as fucking sad as the kids who join the Marine Corps nowadays and do their entire enlistment without ever leaving their base and try to steal the valor of those of us who pushed through Fallujah or whatever... never done anything but they talk about how they are killers all day on facebook.

>>35013036

Contracting and acquisitions are more sought after than osi... most people don't even know that osi exists until they get in the air force.

Quit making shit up, fgt.

>>35013188

No, he's correct. With Officers it's the second most requested job out of the Academy. That's how I know you're Enlisted.

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Tell me about the average Air Force PT session. I heard you get to play frisbee during these sessions, and only 10% of the participants actually move around while the rest just stand there.

Also I do you guys have squirtgun events?

>>35013232

How are you this mad dude? It's like every thread you're still salty.

>>35013200

Well that makes sense. I went to ots, I know nothing about the rape, fraternization and general faggotry that happens at the academy.

Hilarious that you tell me I think like an enlisted person as though you believe I would find it insulting, that says a lot about you.

>>35013232
>that female's running stance
Its like a cave troll's ninja run

>>35013285

Not remotely. I assume that you're coming from enlisted or civilian background because you're unfamiliar with Academy numbers and have a skewed perspective on who's Commissioning into what, which indicates to me that you aren't a ring-knocker.

The fact that you view noting such a demarcation as inherently pejorative tells me something about you though.

>>35013285
If you went OTS you'd know that OSI was a job option given to you when you applied you fucking mong

>>35013307

There was one single person who was osi in my class, never spoke to them a single time and I have no interest whatsoever in the afsc.

Are we really going to do the whole "you're not really at LT!" thing? What sort of proof do you want so we don't have to go down that road for the next hour?

>>35013328
IDC what the fuck you are, you stated being contracting and acquisition was requested more than being an OSI Special Agent. That's some dumb shit

>>35013304

You called me enlisted, I'm not. You clearly meant it as an insult, so don't insult me by try to lie and say you didn't.

Anyway, since you're so down with the lingo I'm sure you're aware of how the entire air force feels about academy grads and how the massive majority of officers don't come from usafa.

Academy grads are largely irrelevant since per the 2016 demo numbers most of them don't even stay in past their initial obligation for obvious reasons, so mocking someone's ignorance of academy crap is pretty silly due to that irrelevance.

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>>35012043

>school isn't going well
>Life is in a rut
>No job
>Don't see myself doing anything in the future
>I don't want to become a NEET
I think I'm going to enlist in the army as 19K. I've always had an interest in the mechanical aspect of things, and of course I fucking love tanks. I just can't stand the thought of me not doing anything in my life, maybe I'll gain some insight while I'm in.

An I making a grave mistake?

>>35013340

You care so much that we are having this conversation and I'm guessing since you realize I have proof readily available you are backing down.

Those afscs being big are common knowledge but even if they weren't it is also common knowledge that osi isn't "second behind pilot," since cso, wso and abm are.

I don't doubt you have some connection to the air force but you clearly know nothing about which jobs 80% of officers coming in are looking to pick up. You just seem to be making shit up based on your own preferences.

>>35013426
Congrats on OTS, LT

Not doubting anything, but you were accusing me of going Army CID instead of officer OSI because I supposedly had a shit GPA

That's all this way about.

>>35013442
was*

>>35013385

>You clearly meant it as an insult

Fucker my dad was enlisted and I'm enlisting too.

>past their initial obligation

Pilots stay for a decade on their first hitch.

>>35009435
>Army
Krusty Krab
>Marine Corps
Chum Bucket
>Navy
Salty Spitoon
>Air Force
Weenie Hut Jr.'s

>be muhreen reservist (skate life)
>meet Air Guard girl on tinder
>start banging
>ask her about basic
>"we lived in dorms, I shaved my legs in the shower all the time, called home almost every day, no we don't have stress cards because we never got yelled at."
>ask about firearms use
>"we carried the rubber rifles around"
>proceeds to tell me that in her THREE YEARS in the AirGuard she shot a rifle once, which was qual at basic. She said she didn't like the recoil and the brass hitting her and the bnoise so she asked to stop and they let her put the weapon down and walk away, never to touch one again
>later she snaps me a video of her shooting a shotgun at a relative's farm, puts the stock of the shotgun OVER HER SHOULDER and fires it, dropping it in the process.
>show her my AR when she's over once, ask her what she should do before messing with it, has no idea, tell her clear the weapon, has no idea how to do it, ask her weapon safety rules, still has no idea.
>only thing she knows is "oh hey that part is called the magazine!" but didn't know how to eject it.

like holy fuck I know there's some cool shit in the airforce but goddamn if you are in the military and cannot functionally pick up a weapon and fight are you really in the military?

forever judge the airforce now

oh and she said she only had three mandatory drills a year, the rest you can just skip if you want...

>>35013089
Granted, but the stuff about dudes shitting in random places or working in engine room and not showering makes it seem almost third world

>>35013442

Yeah... that wasn't me. I don't even see the post you're talking about, maybe it got deleted.

My thing was this

>>35013036

some anon, maybe you, claiming that there are thousands of officer hopefuls wanting to be osi, a claim that is patently false.

As I said before, I don't know anything about the demographics of usafa but since rotc and ots numbers get published and are easily accessible and less than a quarter of officers come from usafa that claim can immediately be pointed out as obvious bullshit.

And thanks, I just recently went through ots. It took a long ass time to get there.

>>35013517

I was active in the Army for four years and didn't touch a rifle once after BCT.

Just not a gun fan and it wasn't part of my day job desu.

>>35013415
Anyone?

>>35013554
Anything that you cans see yourself doing after you get out, go for it

>>35013020
Will they talk to people I don't reference? 2 of my friends smoke weed. I don't and never have, but guilt by association worries me.

>>35013517

>oh and she said she only had three mandatory drills a year, the rest you can just skip if you want...

People can get away with a lot in the guard but this is hard to believe unless she is one of those people who does her AT days like twenty at a time three times a year.

A lot of people in all branches will never even get sent to a fob these days let alone be in a position where they have to defend themselves. It is pretty silly to "waste" money on a med tech going to the range twice a year when they just sit in a clinic taking vitals all day.

Different branches have different functions, bro. The sooner you learn that the less mystified you will be... and of course you know that as a reservist you shouldn't be talking shit about anybody since I'm sure you barely train and since you're young you've probably never deployed.

Anybody got experience with age waivers? How long do they take to clear? (Marines)

>>35013415
Go for it. Keep in mind tanks favor manlets, so if you're above 5'9" consider something like 91H, which will still let you be near tanks and repair them. 19D without option 4 is very likely to put you in the back of an M3 Bradley and let you do infantry stuff, plus play with C4 and get an enlistment bonus.

But consider some jobs that will help you after the Army, too.

>>35013719
I'm 6'1 (6 1/2 inches if you want to be autistically accurate). I made a thread a few days ago asking if I could serve in a tank being that tall, and most of the replies were saying yes. I was thinking that with all of the maintenance and mechanical things that would have to be learned with being a tanker, I could maybe do something with cars/engineering afterwards. Nothing is solid just yet though.

thread in question
>>34966913

>>35013518
Dude the real military is like that. Its even tougher if you do some real shit in the marines and army obviously. Living in some mudd hutt in the desert shitting in a burn barrel and your only shower is wiping your crotch with wet naps. It sucks but that makes it memorable. Trust me its all a good time as long as you got good people around you.

>>35013658
Been overseas twice, Jordan and Morocco, never to a real combat zone despite them paying us combat pay for the Jordan one..

Totally agree shouldn't be talking shit, I just play marine once a month, but every drill we draw rifles and pistols and use them in one way or another while in full kit.

My fault I guess is im a purist and believe if you're going to military then you should atleast touch a firearm every now and then and be able to use it.

One of my SSGTs was at camp bastion and the marines that were airwing there and not combat roles found themselves having to fight for their lives, many of which had not used a 240b or rifles since MCT.

You could be at an air base in country and camp bastion happens again and if you don't know how to shoulder a rifle or eject a magazine...

>>35013763

>Living in some mudd hutt in the desert shitting in a burn barrel and your only shower is wiping your crotch with wet naps.

Kids looking to join are about ten years too late for the real military by that measure. Every fob I went to after about 2006 had buildings and plumbling, portojohns at worst.

>>35013793

I understand. I was an airwing radar tech 2001-2008 and I have a CAR, got augmented to 3/5 during phantom fury, convoyed, qrf, etc.

I'm just saying that part of the war is over and has been for a long ass time. As you know, there are 03s and 11bs who will go their enitre enlistments without ever leaving their base save for like bridgeport or maybe korea.

>>35013798
thats fairly true but not my point. Im just saying shitty situations make for the best stories. No one likes a story about how you had a 9-5 in an air conditioned room.

Is 22 too old to be in the military as NCO?

I flunked college and I don't know how I'd fare with a bunch of 18 year olds.

I've got no prospects going for me right now. Want to do something with drones later on in life. Any suggestions?

>>35013887
Didn't mean to type NCO, meant enlisted.

>>35013887

>Is 22 too old to be in the military as NCO?

You can't join the military as an nco, so I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.

In any case, don't worry about being older. There are going to be plenty of guys in their late 20s in your platoon/flight/etc because they fucked their lives up, late 30s if you join the air force or army.

>>35013927

Band members in special bands join the military as NCOs.

>>35013605

>guilt by association

Not a real thing in clearance investigations.

>>35013887
>>35013918
>>35013927
>>35013991
NCO means literally nothing. The only people who use that term or care about it are people on the outside looking in. Your paygrade and postion in a division/unit determine how peopl treat you. Its not like you hit E-5/6 and all of a sudden people are like omg hes a NCO now. Literally no one even thinks about that.

>>35014193

This is really branch/unit dependent. It absolutely is a big difference in some places.

>>35011990
Do you have a degree?

>>35013763
I get that it is, but your on an a big ass boat in the largest most developed navy in the world, yet people are still behaving like pig shit heathens? Makes me wonder about how clean the food and water must be

>>35013495
Kek

What do i need to go to space in the USSC anons

If i need perfect vision, can i get laser surgery to repair my eyes and still have a shot?

Will I need to be an officer? I recognize that making myself into a prime candidate will likely take a few years, but I'm 22 so I've got a good while.

>>35013517
How do you like Marine Reserves? Been really considering it for the extra school money.

>>35012107
I guess I'll peruse the matter further when I meet with the recruiter.

>>35014233
Don't need a degree, just a high school diploma, according to the USAREC webpage.
http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/woft.shtml

>>35013927
> late 30s if you join the air force or army.
is it really that common? source of that?

>>35008096
related sorta, anyone got some info on age waivers?

>>35014277
>how clean the food and water must be
its not but so what youll live

>90% of everyone in all branches are pogs
>most combat arms outside of SOF don't see action during peace time

Why are Army, Navy, and Marine pogs so mad about Air Force and Coast Guard pogs?

>>35014895
Coast Guard are good dudes. They get shit on a lot, but they absolutely make the best with what they've got.

Truthfully, the Air Force gets flak because they're not disciplined. That's really the nicest way I can say it. You can shit on the Marines and call them a cult, or say that the Army is full of people convicts and people who couldn't make it out in the civilian world, or that the Navy is incredibly gay, but each of those branches are undoubtedly very militaristic. You will be getting a military experience, including all of the discomfort that comes with it.

I never had the luxury of staying on an Air Force base, but I had some friends who did, the luxury of the AF is not a meme in the slightest. They're pampered -- they are a pampered branch -- and that DOES make them softer. But that's just my 2 cents and there will undoubtedly be someone who will disagree with me.

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Is there anyone who is waiting for OCS here? How long have you been waiting for? And is it true that it can take upwards of years to even get in?

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>>35014962
>I never had the luxury of staying on an Air Force base, but I had some friends who did, the luxury of the AF is not a meme in the slightest. They're pampered -- they are a pampered branch -- and that DOES make them softer. But that's just my 2 cents and there will undoubtedly be someone who will disagree with me.
This is 100% correct.
I was at goose creek briefly when it was still a split base half navy half AF before it became a joint base. When the AF barracks were full they had spill over and sent them to live in the navy barracks. The AF payed the airman some type of hazard pay or something basically because they considered the navy barracks to be sub standard living conditions.

>>35015103
That's fucking hilarious

>>35009889
Kek

>>35013887
i joined at 23

>>35014601
Also interested in this. Have a good job and in school. All my military buddies recommend reserves. But in want to do marines

>>35013658
>People can get away with a lot in the guard but this is hard to believe

It is hard to believe because it's bullshit.

You can "skip" drills in that, with permission from your chain of command, you can make up drills that you have to miss for a reasonable issue at a later point in the year so that you can still have a "good year". But you can't just not show up, that's retarded.

>>35014203

This

The other anon must have been in like admin or logistics, one of those jobs where there isn't really a command structure because it is a retard mos and anyone within days comes in and is expert-tier proficient.

>>35014659

I shouldn't have said plenty; let's say four or five.

Go ask anyone who has served. There are always a handful of older guys who have had like ten civilian jobs who finally just decided to give up on the real world and let uncle sam take care of them.

>>35014962

The coast guard guys who are operational do an incredibly dangerous job which they get no recognition for.

The only people who shit on the coast guard are boots who have no idea what their mission is.

>>35012919
>It will be the sweetest schadenfreude after watching you talk about shit you have no knowledge of for months.

I honestly hope he makes it. He has posted the most ignorant shit about a lot of stuff he doesn't have experience with but I don't hold it against him.

>>35015314

I'm in the air guard, I know how it works.

As I said, the only thing that makes sense is that she has a lax command that lets her ruta and buta her days into blocks throughout the year and she didn't feel like explaining to anon how it works. I know 4Ns who do this because their only responsibility is ppd shots and blood draws, they have no reason to be at every drill.

I've also heard there are shit units that don't deploy and nobody cares so they sign in their friends who don't feel like coming, that or perhaps she gives her boss oral sex regularly.

>>35013793
Air Guard here, completely agree with you my man. Only thing I can think of is that maybe she was in a non-deployable unit stateside, which means they never go overseas unless they volunteer for deployments (hence sub-par attitudes about preparedness in general). My unit is a fighter wing so we do deploy, and most everyone takes training seriously, even though only 15% of the AF deals with firearms as part of their jobs. It's true that the vast majority of airmen only ever fire a rifle in basic; however, a lot of people own and shoot guns in their free time. I meet up with some people in my unit every month or so to go shooting, just in case we somehow end up in a Camp Bastion scenario like you mentioned, which is looking more likely every day given the situation in Asia.

>>35015024
It took me 5 months from starting my packet to receiving a ship out date of October 16th.

Any Navyfags here to answer a question? Say I become an Ensign tomorrow out of a miracle of God and NCS.

Where would I be in terms of rank (rate?) and responsibility 10 years from today if I was a really performance driven individual with a serious commitment to getting shit done well? In 10 years after that?

Is it theoretically possible that in 20 years I, Anon McAnonson, could be a Rear Admiral?

Just joined the navy. I ship out in two months as a CTI but my dream is to be a seal. Im thinking, unless i hate being a cti, to finish a majority of my time before trying for seal rather than as soon as Im at my command for long enough. Im 19 so Im not worried about age

>>35015486
Lucky you. I started my packet 6 months ago, I'm still waiting for my board date. Damn medical waivers.

>>35015505

I've never heard of anyone hitting o-7 in 20 years, so I doubt some kid from 4chan could do it.

>>35015589
Okay don't give me that "weirdo faggot on 4chan" crap, everyone knows this isn't 2007 and it's also theoretical. But why does nobody make 0-7 in 20 years? It's not a temporary or appointed rank like 0-8 and above, and isn't there a stipulation where "you must retire after 30 years"? How would that give anyone time to become a rear admiral.

>>35015024
I'm currently in the process of applying for Navy OCS, I've been working with an OSO (officer recruiter) since May. My package is all but completed, just waiting for MEPS to read through my Lasik paperwork, then my package can officially be sent to the selection board. Should know by December if I'm pro rec'd.

The stories you hear about the process taking years are for guys with crazy medical issues or who disclose every medical issue they have ever had. MEPS wants documentation on every issue you list on the pre-meps checklist (cant remember the form), but MEPS only reads 5 pages a day of your medical records. So if you bring them 1000 pages you will wait 7 months just for a MEPS appointment, and you can't apply until MEPS clears you.

>>35015505
Basically if you're a squared away individual you will likely make O-4. After that, it's not only what you know but also who you know. The highest ranking person I've ever met *in person* was an O-5 and he was very much like the theoretical person you describe.

You can actually look up the chances online. I believe if you became an ensign tomorrow you'd have about a 2% chance of eventually becoming a Fleet Admiral in around 24 years but a 70% chance of becoming a Lt. Cmdr in about 10 years. In other words, count on becoming a Lt. Cmdr if you have your shit squared away and reevaluate your chances at that time.

>>35015628

Because you're lucky to make o-5 after twenty years.

Look up the number of flag officers there are in each branch. If you want to be one of the sixty or whatever out of the tens of thousands of officers in the navy then you're going to have to be incredibly talented and have friends in powerful places all over the government.

Settle your tits. I wasn't saying anything bad about 4chan per se, just the fact that you're asking the question means that you aren't going to make it that high; 99.9% of generals/admirals are people who are quite literally groomed from birth - private schools, service academies, commissioned at age 21, etc.

These people have friends who are senators and in some cases family members who are SES federal employees, you being some random internet person who may or may not even join the military means that it is all but certain you will never get there.

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>Found my balls after 32 years of existence
>Can't join the Marines
>Found out a Guy named Paul Douglas passed Basic at the age of 50
Just fuck my shit up fampai

>>35016167

You can still join the army and try out for high speed shit, but I am sure you were aware of that.

Sure you still haven't found your balls? Seems like you're attempting to make excuses.

>>35014193
dude I posted just below it that I just meant enlisted and accidently typed NCO. no need to sperg out

>>35015157
How is it going so far?

>>35014601
Let me honest, are members of the Marine Reserves REALLY Marines?

Yeah they get the EGA, but then they get to go home and suck dick like they normally would.

>>35015505
>>35015628
Youll be an O6 around 20. You dont start looking at admiral until 22+. You need a shit load of command experience. And that retire at 30 years shit doesnt apply to flag officers.
What your rush? You arent even O1 and youre thinking about being an admiral already.
At 10 in youll be an O4, its basically auto advance as long as you arent a piece of shit.
making O5 is where it gets picky.
>>35015510
good luck. they say CTI is a great job and your A school base is fun but STDs run wild as fuck there so wrap it up.
>>35016201
not sperging just saying, wasnt just talking to you.

I have two questions
1. Are there reserves for Officers with no prior military experience in the Air Force?

2. How hard is it to go from Reserve to Active duty? I only want to stay in the Reserves long enough to finish up my PHD

>>35016455
>1. Are there reserves for Officers with no prior military experience in the Air Force?

I'd assume so. I had a college professor who was Active Reserves and he was a Warrant Officer.

>2. How hard is it to go from Reserve to Active duty? I only want to stay in the Reserves long enough to finish up my PHD

Depends upon the branch. Probably not too difficult with the Air Force. Grats on the PhD, by the way.

>>35016474
>Grats on the PhD, by the way.
Thanks

>>35016455
In the Navy,from everyone Ive talked to, Its damned hard to go active once your in the reserves. But thats from people who wanted me to go active duty so grain of salt
>>35016403
kek thanks for the heads up. Pun not intended

>>35015376
What is he wrong about? Just curious

>>35009470
KEK
fucking skimmers

Ordnance maintenance sounds really appealing to me, am I getting my hopes up or is it really just fixing cool shit all day?

I'm autistic enough to probably enjoy spending all my waking hours replacing AR gas tubes.

>>35011125
Depends on the ship. Surfacefags generally have shorter watches but "workdays" where everyone's awake. Substuds do 6 on, 12 off (usually) and no need to be awake during off watch time except for cleaning/training/drills, which are quite often.

>>35011125
>>35017781
100% depends on your rate. End of story. Theyre all different.

>>35014894
Nigga sample potable straight out da RO units, you can't BUY water that good.

>>35017823
Nigga my cruiser had boilers and second off no one drinks it straight out the RO except for bored snipes so calm your autism. plus anyone whose ever cranked knows the food is shit as fuck.

>>35017828
>surface
There's yer problem right there.

>>35017877
Please tell me you arent implying being an engineer is better than top side? No way youre that stupid

Is it true that you can be placed into something that you never requested? For example, if I want to work with tanks, what is the possibility that the army will just throw me into something else anyways? I always thought the big thing about the army is that you can pick your own job.

>>35017944
No wai, I was only referring to the food

>>35018081
Oh youre trying to say food on subs is better?
>>35018067
If you fail/drop from training or get in trouble you get fucked.

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Well I did it, I went to my local recruitment office and asked all the questions I had and only made myself look a little completely stupid, but I have a goal now, to research the crap out of the army so I know exactly it is I want to do, if their are any brit anons with army experience that wouldn't mind just giving me there take on anything please go ahead and tell me.

As added context I am thinking about applying for officer training and going into the armored corp.

>>35015718
>The highest ranking person I've ever met *in person* was an O-5 and he was very much like the theoretical person you describe.
What shitty command are you at? I just did a command PT with my CO (an O-6) leading us.

>>35013552
Well you sure shammed the fuck out, how the fuck did you get out of rifle qual

>>35016885
>What is he wrong about?

In past threads he has attempted to talk about the intelligence community and government hiring authoritatively and has generally been incorrect. And digs in when it's shown he's incorrect.

He's also really defensive about his situation and can't handle the bantz.

>>35018305
It became pretty clear, at least to me, you were getting all defensive about how hiring worked inside the intelligence community when I was mostly referencing 1811 in whatever context those were in forever ago.

Which I stand by, which is why you'll never likely be an 1811 and I will, if that was your goal and you seriously think a political science degree and internships will get you there. If you want to go to the IC, good you probably being in a cubicle.

>>35017781
>6 on, 12 off
So is that 6 hours of being totally alert and then 12 hours of jerking off eating and sleeping?

>>35018366
See how you got defensive.

>you seriously think a political science degree and internships will get you there.

It's actually not a "political science" degree.

But even then, yes a graduate degree and internships will get someone into the IC. Especially internships within the IC and especially when someone already has experience in the IC.

Again, you're talking about things you don't actually know about and you should stay in your lane.

>>35018378
Not him, but thats not how ti works. Its 6hrs of your 18hr day dedicated to watch specifically guranteed. Then during the other 12 thats actual work time. There will definitely be a time to sleep but you will definitely not have 12 hrs off if thats what youre thinking.

>>35016336
I would love to go Active. Truthfully, I would. But I also don't want to get my degree when I'm 27-29.

>>35018482
He's just memeing you. No one in real life actually gives a fuck about the difference between active, reserve, and guard. Especially if you have deployments.

>>35018438
Lol, again dude I've been referencing 1811 the entire time. Even in that post. Not taking about the IC, now or never. 1811 is 99 percent law enforcement across all agencies.

>>35018515
TBQH w/ you famalam 1811 isn't even your lane either yet. You're not even in, you're actually no better than the other Not Even Boots Yet in here who try to answer questions authoritatively about what being in is like.

I wish you luck in making it but you seem like the kind of person that no one actually likes being around and you should probably work on that if you want to be successful in what you're trying to do.

>>35018540
All my information is coming directly from an agent who wrote me a letter of rec. Nothing I said has been incorrect regarding that. Sorry you feel that way. Best of luck in IC

>>35018482
Go active, take some classes using TA while in. get out and finish with Gi Bill. Easy. Go active or youll regret it, reserves barerly count and youll get no respect from active people

>>35018133
Corps. It's Corps. Royal Armoured Corps.

There are many, many people who will write lots of out of date and inaccurate information about the RAC and the rest of the Army as a whole. Doubly so as you're aspiring toward a commission. Generally speaking, it doesn't matter what part of the Army you want to commission in. You need the same attributes, assuming you're a male and it's a Regular Commission. There are exceptions for PQOs and Reserve Officers but you don't need to worry about that.

For briefing, which should be your next step barring any visits or experience weekends, just work on your fitness and ensure you're reasonably familiar with current affairs. They do not expect an in depth knowledge of international relations. It's no longer 1910, either, so don't worry about it if you didn't go to an independent school or don't know which spoon to use.

There are, aside from the PQO bunch, about three parts of the Army that I would doubt your ability to commission in directly and they aren't things that you need to worry about. It's a process many people have completed. You'll be fine.

>>35018708
Thanks for the response and sorry about getting the terminology incorrect. Corps (said core) really messes me about. It something I should definitely get down before I go any further.

Been working on my fitness loads lately (Just came back from a 5 mile run) and will read the newspaper. Funnily enough I did go to a private primary school but a state secondary. I like to think I can get on well with just about everyone, even it is means I come across a little to posh for some and a not quite posh enough for others.

What are the three I wouldn't commission in directly? I guessing medical, music & ceremonial but what is the third?

Thanks again for the response. The more I learn the more I release there is to learn.

>>35018626
>take some classes using TA while in

This is the gamble. It's a big, fat asterisk. You MAY have time to do a class or two, and you MAY be working 14 hour days even as a POG. 100% TA is great... if you have time to use it.

Guys, some recreational advice. Just came back from MEPS. Passed my drug test and breathalyzer test with flying colors. I got about a month away before I go to basic, but I want to have a drink with my buddies one last time before I never see them again.

As a minor could this cause problems for me later on? Or is there really nothing to worry about? Not really certain of the time limit of alcohol in the urine or blood.

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Is it better if you name them?

Does anyone have and experience in becoming a military pilot? I'm really hoping to get into the army air corps but any experience or knowledge is welcome

>>35019351
Is this a serious question?

>>35018781
Int Corps - they take four Regular Officers from Sandhurst a year and they have their own selection process. It is possible but it's rare. Very rare. They are also the weirdest bunch of people in the Army and are definitely the "black sheep". The other two are Gurkhas (I can explain this if you would like, it is not for reasons you think) and Royal Engineers who expect, I believe, an engineering degree. PQOs (medical, dental) are a different thing.

Everything else is good to go. Paras, Guards are obviously the most competitive to get into. RAC is usually up there. People will say that RLC and the likes get the dregs but in reality you can have all sorts end up all over. I know Parachute Regiment officers who finished bottom third at Sandhurst. Conversely there are people who smashed Sandhurst who chose to go to RLC mover units.

Sandhurst is the first step. Being an officer is looking out for your guys, setting an example and being an administrator. Your soldiers are the experts. You're the one who is in charge of them.

>>35019351
They aren't testing for alcohol. Even if it comes up just say you had a few beers with your dad in your home to celebrate.

My recruiter said I'll go to ITB if I go artillery.

Online says I'll go MCT

Which one is it?

For intel/cyber jobs, navy or airforce?

>>35019816
You'll know definitely when you enlist. Doesn't sound right to me, but I'm not a marine.

>>35020091
Navy

Does anyone know anything about RAF weapons technician?

Is it bad?

>>35020321
Alright, why

>>35020472
Not him but hes right.
AF is an adult day care
Navy youll actually get to travel.

>>35020472
The USN (and Navies in general) have pretty much the full range of intelligence and cyber jobs going, right the way through from "identifying drugs boats" to "that's a Typhoon class submarine". Naval Intelligence is about as prestigious as it gets. Some countries (the UK, for one) don't even let guys join their Naval Intelligence unless they've done time in the rest of the Navy already. If you're fit you can try for SEAL teams. Loads on.

It's no joke. Good pay, loads of opportunities, minimal fuck about, truly global force and plenty on in the future.

>>35020380
The internet is full of people who rag on the RAF for whatever reason (they're usually BAOR alcoholics) but the fact of the matter is, they have fine conditions, decent pay, a mature attitude to retention and jobs that have a good amount of transferable skill.

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2 questions:

1. Is loan forgiveness still a thing?
and
2. What are the odds of getting a commission without a STEM degree?

>>35020544
I like the RAF kinda, I just wondered about weapons technician

Only thing in the RAF I haven't liked so far are the people. A lot have been very spergy and they're missing the camaraderie you associate with military lifestyle.

>>35020601
>What are the odds of getting a commission without a STEM degree?
what's your gpa?
stem degree only really matters if you're going nuke, at least that's the story in the navy

>>35008970
Male aussie here, less than two weeks until enlistment. Thankfully I had my application in well before the MAH DIVERSITY TARGETS hit hard

>>35020692
3.7

I'm a Digital Media major with a Minor in Comp. Sci.

>>35020847
should be fine as long as your OAR is competitive and everything else is squared away

>>35020482
>>35020544
How many of them would have me on a ship? Carriers sound alright but smaller ships don't appeal to me much. Not like I would be on one forever, but still.

>>35020091

Air Force, you probably want to start as a 1N2X or some-such and shoot for 1B4X which is the greendoor job that does the cool cyber stuff.

>>35020872
rates that go on ships for Intel are CTR, CTM, CTT. CTN and CTI, will almost never leave the shore. Not sure about IS

>>35020684
>Only thing in the RAF I haven't liked so far are the people. A lot have been very spergy and they're missing the camaraderie you associate with military lifestyle.

How have you come to that conclusion when you aren't in?

If I enlist in the Army and say I want to go to be stationed in Korea, what are the chances of me actually being stationed there?

>>35018167

Unit didn't really do it. You really had to beg and plead if you wanted range time and I wasn't interested.

>>35020482

Bull. Navy cyber almost never travels.

>>35020091

Navy and Army are better choices than Air Force.

>>35021798

>t. Army recruiter

>>35021791
Cyber no. Intel will though

>>35021798
Why is that?

>>35013887
In my early 30s and just signed my contract.

>>35021469
I've been involved with the RAF for a while

>>35004366

>when you want to be a CCT but are worried that you'll lose physical conditioning in basic

Is that a legitimate worry?

>>35021814
>>35022029

Simple fact: the Army is pouring a fuckton of resources into Cyber.

It got its own Army branch, more billets than any other service by far. The most training, the most funding. Specialized cyber enlisted, officer, AND warrant officer tracks.

Has the Navy been doing it longer? Yeah, but money talks. I've seen Navy enlisted come over to the Army as WOs and Os. The other services can't match what the Army is offering right now in career opportunities.

The Air Force isn't even in the running. You can't even enlist into Air Force cyber proper. Pathetic.

>>35022837

So, let me get this straight. Your idea of good cyber is throwing money at people who start doing the job right after walking through the door and passing the school, and your idea of bad cyber is screening those people in cyber related jobs before letting them into what you define as cyber proper?

>>35021516
You don't get to "pick" your first duty station anymore, but if you do well in AIT your preferences get taken into consideration.

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What is 1st MAW like? I'm almost done with MOS School and got web orders for there.

>>35004366
Is there any skills from CCT that could be transferred to the civilian field or is it just one those things you do because is fun and cool?

>>35023116

You learn air traffic control if you finish all of your certs, which in the civilian world is a $90k+ annual income average.

>>35022967

> Your idea of good cyber is throwing money at people who start doing the job right after walking through the door and passing the school,

Yes, this is the biggest strength of military cyber. Giving bright young kids a massive amount of resources and training to get them operating on a level that would take years of traditional schooling and experience to attain elsewhere.

>screening those people in cyber related jobs before letting them into what you define as cyber proper?

Not what actually happens in the Air Force. Anyone who could be decent at the job either doesn't stay in the Air Force long enough to transfer over, or never joins at all. Those extra barriers just ensure that Air Force cyber proper ends up being a bunch of retarded NCOs from IT-focused job fields.

There's not really a long-term career for cyber as enlisted in any branch. That's why the Army's cyber O/WO program has been vacuuming up skilled individuals from every branch. They can either get out and go civilian or go Army.

>>35023144
Neat. Is there any other spec ops groups that also have transferable skills? Would CCT be best for that?

>>35023228

The smart-guy SOF stuff. Special Forces, CCT, PJ, SOWT, and MARSOC. SF and Raiders are due to the language skills, CCT for ATC, PJ for paramedic certs, and SOWT if you want to go into meteorology.

I've got insomnia and I NEED to go to the doctor. It's become very serious.

Can I be disqualified to enter the armed forced for this?

My medical is in a week. If I see a doctor after will they find out?

>>35023385
DON'T FUCKING GO TO A DOCTOR

>>35023385
>My medical is in a week. If I see a doctor after will they find out?

If he prescribes you something (which he probably will) then it will show up in your urinalysis at MEPS. How long has this been going on for?

>>35023411
>>35023401
General, yet controllable sleep problems? November.
Insomnia that is causing me sickness and mental health problems? 4-6 weeks.

I don't know what to do. I'm a high school dropout and this is all I have left.

>>35023423
Well consider the alternative:

In boot camp you have 8 hours of sleep. Only 8 hours. Sometimes 7, but you get the picture: your sleep is limited. Sleep is extremely important, and a lot of advanced physiological processes happen while one is asleep. If you're unable to get to sleep, you're putting yourself in harm's way and may possibly injure yourself later on down the line.

>>35013047
I made E-5 in less than 3 years, but it was tough making the higher percentile.
Idiots kept telling me I needed
to wear my hashmark, haha.

>>35020872
Carriers suck. You have to put up with a lot of petty bullshit. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>35020692
The Navy does like things like oceanography degrees and arts and science he stuff. I knew someone from OCS who had a degree in wildlife.

>>35023458
>petty bullshit
such as?

>>35023385

If it's so bad that you need medical help, you shouldn't be joining the military anyways. This is how you fall asleep driving a military vehicle and plow through a formation.

>>35023446
Fuck me, I need to think

>>35023487
going in as an engineer s-so I'll basically be at school anyway

>>35023488
This is one of those cases where I genuinely think that you should not enlist. At least, not while you're suffering from this.

>>35023496

Do you have ANY idea what "engineer" actually means in the military?

It doesn't mean white-collar protractor work with a lot of math. It means fucking construction. You're going to be a construction worker with insomnia. This is a really stupid idea.

>>35004276
Former Surface RO here:
The Navy Nuclear program needs smart people. Underacheivers will learn to function to the needed high standard or become conventional ET/ EM/ MM ( prob A-ganger), which is still pretty good.
It is a demandng program. You will end up with a good understanding of overall power plant operation and background knowledge that will serve you well in a variety of fields, or use the GI Bill to master most technical degrees.
Don't plan on the civilian nuclear power field, though. Their full of guys who aren't giving up their jobs, there's no new plants being built in the US, and you don't want to work there anyway.

>>35023546
And, the OP's imgur link is also correct.

>>35023470
em-log.blogspot.com/2009/03/serious-as-a-heart-attack.html

>>35023546
>civilian nuclear
They're, of course. Rotating shifts (days then eves then graveyard). Fucks you and shortens your life.

>>35015718
There are no Fleet Admirals since Nimitz, dumbass.

>>35023526
Not him but what kind of construction? I did concrete and rebar for a few years.

>>35023496
>>35023526

Jesus Christ lol this exchange.

Did a recruiter tell you that as an Engineer you'll be getting an engineering degree? Or that basically it's the same training?

>>35023160
Are you army intel? This sounds like a lot of army bias, anyone else in intel that can't say one way or the other?

>>35023027
I can speak a little Korean and am aiming to be fluent by the time I enlist. That should count for something, right?

>>35016403
You also forgot how political it gets when you are up for promotion for Rear Admiral Lower Half. If you aren't a Naval Academy graduate or don't know the right person, your experience doesn't mean much. When it comes down to you and one other person, and the other guy happens to be buddy buddy with the right people or a woman the Navy deems as a good role model, you're not getting that promotion. Once you get there, you also only have a limited time before you either get promoted or forced to retire to allow someone else to move up and get their first star (4-5 years I want to say).

>>35023160

The biggest strength of military cyber is throwing tons of junior enlisted at a problem?

I think that the Army and Air Force operate on different principles.

>>35025092

The Army invests more into training and equipment than the Air Force in this arena too.

The Air Force probably has the potential to compete with the other branches in the cyber arena, but they just haven't made it as much of a priority. For anyone who has worked in a joint environment with several different branches, it shows.

>>35025025
Most likely not unless you gonna be a translator

>>35025297
Fuck

>>35021791
>>35021791
When you say cyber do you specifically CTN? Cause see >>35021319
the other CTs all travel in some form.
>>35020872
>>35023470
carriers are cancer avoid them

>>35025348

In what bizarro world version of the Navy would you consider anything but CTN to be "cyber"?

>>35025367
Buddy have you ever even been in the navy? No one even uses terms like that. Theyre just buzz words to get kids excited. Plus those commands have other types of CTs and ITs there supporting CTNs. Calm your autism.

>>35025262

I'm a bit skeptical that the branch more or less built on tech is being outspent by the Army on quality equipment and training.

>>35025515

>built on tech

This is a marketing meme as much as the Marine's "tough" image is.

The Air Force is being held back by a generation of flag-grade former pilots who think the only thing important about the Air Force is the flightline.

The Army, struggling to remain relevant in a world that doesn't call for masses of ground troops, has realized that taking the lead on cyber is an excellent opportunity to bring the Army back to primacy by becoming proficient in this new battlespace.

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>>35025555

Riiiiiiiiight.

>>35025594

>March 25th, 2015

Literally an eternity ago in cyber. Air Force also bundles a lot of non-cyber activities in "cyber". They've slowly been making the split (pulling cyber wings off sysadmins, etc.) This kind of last-war thinking is why I never suggest people join the Air Force if they're trying to get into milcyber.

>>35025876

>2016 budget
>slow in government time

Damn dude.

>>35021196
Do you know anything else about those specific AFSCs? I'm strongly considering the 3D series but what does 1N2 actually do?

>>35026047

Cyber isn't my thing, but what I know is this. Most talented hackers don't like going .gov or .mil because the environment of strict rules creates personality conflict with the type of person who is actually good at hacking. Everybody bitches about the AF being military lite, but that's exactly why they can draw in competent people.