>best collection of generals in human history >industrial

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>>34986648
>Would have prevented two world wars, the cold war, and communism.

No nation on this earth can contain the Germans' desire to ruin everything they touch.

They were using blimps as observation platforms with morse-code. Vicksburg was trench warfare. Even German train timetable warfare had its infancy in Union tactics.

The U.S. was so far ahead of the times its ridiculous.

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>>34986648
>Could the United States had conquered the world in the 1860s
no. Europe is too big. we didn't have the man power to do it. However we could have totally ruled the seas. We were also the first to have a successful submarine and reliable repeating arms.

Americans did have the best navy in the world by the 1890s.

we probably could have forced the world into paying us protection money to roam the oceans.

>>34986680
FPBP

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>>34986648
>started rolling out Ironclads when the entire global population was using wood

Both Britain and France had full size ocean going iron clads while the US only had river boats

>Could the United States had conquered the world in the 1860s if they weren't fighting over negros?
If it hadn't been for the civil war you would have just fallen further behind

>>34986868
According to Ken Burn's Civil War this isn't true. The words used the second the Marimac fired on the Monitor every navy on Earth was obsolete. Just the source I heard.

>>34986648
You don't know your history son

>>34986648
Not even the Roman Empire could've conquered the world, they tried and collapsed due to stretching themselves too thin from the inevitable infighting that occurs. America however could've easily taken over Mexico back then, but no President in their sane mind would do such insanity.

>>34986882
That's preposterous, and so's the idea that the US navy was even in the top 2 until after Germany was defeated in WWI.

>>34986648
"The combination of Yankee artillery with Rebel infantry would make an army that could be beaten by no one." - A CS officer

This wasn't untrue. Cavalry in the USA and CSA was also second to none, although the Prussians mistakenly believed otherwise.

>>34986905
Not yet anyway, but we may have to if we want to keep being America

>>34986905
>America however could've easily taken over Mexico
Didnt we basically do that?
Marines marched over their capital almost as easily as the Wehrmacht in Paris

>>34986680
>No nation on this earth can contain the Germans'

>Karl Marx
>German

pick one

>George McClellan as chief of staff of the U.S. Army, handling training, organizing and logistics
>subordinates Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Lee, Jackson and all the other great generals on both sides in OTL all commanding in the field

Can anyone even compete with this shit? What the fuck could Prussia do against such a collection of genius

>>34986648
>best collection of barely trained amateurs playing war
>getting so many soldiers killed you have to rely on new immigrants to fight your war
>playing economic catchup while half your country's economy is based on cotton or subsistence farming
>still using muzzle loaders while bolt action rifles have been invented for decades

>>34986648

No

>>34987887
It was Prussia at the time of his birth but the location was in what we now call Germany.

Sorry your people have a propensity for totalitarian ideologies.

>>34988625

>a rat born in the stables is a horse

wew

>>34986648
Nope. The Civil War was the catalyst for your military-industry complex. Without it, you will still be a back water.

>>34986648
The South had better Generals than the North during the Civil War, and I'm a damn Yankee (or my grand pappy was). That's how they lasted as long as they did.

>>34986680
j00 =/= German

>>34988912
Does the retardation run in the family too, or did you pick that up on your own?

>>34986648
Thanks, niggers.

>>34988934
Not an argument, therefore no real reply. The South did have better generals. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, etcetera.

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>>34986648
>industrial powerhouse
>controlled most of world's cotton

a growing industrial powerhouse but not THE industrial powerhouse

I'll give you a clue as to who was #1 in heavy industry and especially manufacturing [spoiler]perfidious albion[/spoiler]. the US didn't overtake Britain until the 1910s

as for cash crops I'm pretty sure Britain's opium shekels eclipsed US cottom

>>34986882
The quote about every other navy being obsolete was more about the future direction of naval warfare being clear, not that either ship was actually that awesome on it's own.
Monitor(s) might be the more famous as the first purpose built steam warships but they were kinda shit ships that couldn't handle rough seas well. They showed the concept of the future but trying to use them as some anons itt are suggesting to project power across the atlantic wouldn't have worked out well at all. If anything they were almost as obsolete as they made the rest of the worlds navies, because almost always as soon as you demonstrate that something revolutionary works everyone else will immediately look at it and make improvements over your design, which is exactly what happened with warships into the steam era.

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>>34986680
>(((marx)))
>German

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>>34986648
Honestly, no. The US didn't become a global presence until the OG Roosevelt, and didn't become a true powerhouse until after WWII.

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>>34986882
>The words used the second the Marimac fired on the Monitor every navy on Earth was obsolete.

Correct

Those navies being obsolete meant all of the ships inside them were obsolete.

Wrong

The UK had two of the pic in service and it could of taking either the Monitor or Marimac hands down. Thing is that the HMS warrior costed a lot more then either of those two. The American design was quickly copied by the Russians, Italians, and Austrian. The French already had their own ironclad designs and stepped up their game in reaction.

>>34989827
he was born in trier

>>34986648
>basically on the brink of the mass production of cartridge based weapons

The Pussains had being there for years before hand and the French standard a couple years before the ACW.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabati%C3%A8re_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4nzl_rifle

>>34986812
>We were also the first to have a successful submarine
That was the CONFEDERATE States of America, thank you very much.

>>34990007
Guess if I was born in a bear's cave that'd make me a bear, too.

>>34990030
no, but it would make you born in whatever country in which the cave was located

>>34990078
ok, that's fair

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>>34986648
Union-boo here, but no...no...1000 time no.

>pic related.

>>34987329
>Cavalry in the USA and CSA was also second to none

this...American cavalry was way ahead of everyone else.

>>34986648
>Would the United States had conquered the world in the 1860s if they weren't fighting over negros?
No. To even think that the US, even if it had its shit together, could have taken on the British Empire at its absolute height, is the most retarded thing I've ever seen an American say.

>>34987897
>>George McClellan as chief of staff of the U.S. Army, handling training, organizing and logistics
>>subordinates Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Lee, Jackson and all the other great generals on both sides in OTL all commanding in the field
something something can only get so erect.

>>34990160
You should probably qualify a statement like that with "in europe" or just "anywhere outside the Americas" really, otherwise someone's going to mention that little matter where they kicked us out to begin with.

>>34989440
>hurr never innovate because everyone will copy even though that takes years and they wont have your experience

>>34990384
OP covered that, "conquered the world"

>>34990078
That doesn't make them not the nationality of where they are born.

>>34990160
Pretty sure the US did that twice already at that point

>>34986680
He's a fucking kike

>>34989752
>>Somehow germany is now at fault for communism
Remind me again who worked to get Lenin back to Russia? Face it, Germans are the scum of the earth who help hold humanity back.

>>34990386
More like you should innovate, then continue to refine the initial innovation as well as trying to find new ideas ahead of anyone else.

The early USN failed to do so meaning that whilst the Monitor type represented an initial revolution in warship design they, and the USN in general were soon left behind as the early US chose to largely ignore the navy in peace time leaving no money to continue developing/building a modern force whilst the other major powers in the world were investing heavily in modernising their fleets, taking the Monitor as their starting point then finding ways to improve on it.

>>34990594
>The American Revolution was Britain's 'most powerful point'
>also implying France and Spain didn't help

>Thinking the War of 1812 was also Britain's 'most powerful point'
>or that it was anything but a sideshow to the war against Napoleon in Europe
C'mon, I know American education sucks, but it can't be that bad.

Not to mention, that all those sailors getting press-ganged by the British, ended up just dying instead. Since the British Navy went from stopping 1000 ships a year while trying to embargo France, to just simply sinking the fuck out of them. By the end of the war of 1812 US trade was in shambles, and a local shipping merchant of my city made himself so rich converting his fleet into privateers that he built a huge fucking university and named it after himself.

>>34990113
>small arms win wars
love this meme

>>34986868
And yet look at us now. The USN is the most powerful military force in human history, and the Bong navy is a poverty ramp-bedecked joke.

>>34990785
And? That happens to every empire you dumb-cunt.
Another one overtakes it. It will happen to the US too.

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>>34990793
heh, nothing personal kid... but (((we)))'ve got the (((chosen people))) on our side

>>34986648
>best collection of generals

If the war had ended on the peninsula in 1862 I would agree with you. Union leadership was dogshit until Grant and he wasn't even that good. He just wasn't a complete retard and/or a pussy.

CSA has good leadership but they only held out for 5 years because of Union incompetence.

>>34990769
unless the Americans magically developed CAS yeah it'd be a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_K%C3%B6niggr%C3%A4tz

Prussian army would have molested the American army of the 1860s.

>>34989832
>we'll never have a president as badass as Based Teddy again
Feels bad man

>>34988912
It's more the South had the experienced officers from the Mexican War, and something like 70% of West Pointers at the start.

By 1863 the North had more than caught up. Especially veterans in the Western theater.

>>34990016
Needleguns were interesting but ultimately an evolutionary dead-end. The metallic cartridge rifles being developed by the US were the real future.

>>34990785
>And yet look at us now.
Yeah wow, it's almost like 150 years of geopolitical history happened, or something.

>>34990030
Stop using that analogy. It doesnt work.

>>34986680
>all the 200+ pound manlet wannabe kraut neckbeards jumping out of the woodworks to defend germany
Reminder that you cannot be Aryan if your BMI is not normal and you are under 6 feet tall.
Reminder that Germany and Austria are the ruiners of everything good. It is what they have done throughout their entire lives. First they topple Rome, next they deface Christianity with Reformist ilk, then Communism, then two (2) world wars, and now Merkel.

>>34991198
Rome collapsed under their own rot. The Germans just happened to be there first to knock over the pieces.

Catholicism is a plague.

The Germans set communism onto Russia. Not their fault that the Chinks and Slavs fell for it. Serves them right.

Post 1918 Germany is not Germany. But don't you dare sully the true Germans.

>>34991080
Nationality is more than just a place of birth. It's a genetic lineage, first and foremost.

>>34986882
>According to Ken Burn's Civil War this isn't true.

Ken Burn's is not a naval architect

>>34990943
American Sharps rifles more than equal needle guns. Also, the Prussian won that battle based on small unit tactics, not rifles.

>>34986648
>America
>World
>1860's

Fuck no. All of the Great Powers were still extant and America wasn't one of them, nor would it become one for another 60+ years. Even then, America wouldn't have the true opportunity to go along with world domination until the aftermath of WWI.

>>34991664
You're a fucking retard, Hans.

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Ah, another thread ruined by angry Polish people and Americans that wish they were Polish because "muh strong crusaders withstanding the terror of the European Union(Germany)"

>>34986648
>started rolling out Ironclads when the entire global population was using wood
nope

USN had a handful of barely seaworthy turret on a raft type monitors decent enough for fighting the south as they allowed the US to control rivers but they werent well suited for naval power projection

Royal navy had purpose ocean going iron built and armored warships since the 1860s, HMS Warrior wasnt well suited to riverine warfare in the same way the monitors were but by the same token the monitors couldnt handle ocean conditions well and would get badly beaten by Warrior if they could make it out to the blue water.

first ocean going turret ships worthy of the name were british, and britain had the edge in naval terms until the 20th century.

>>34988625
Karl Marx was a Jew.
Not a German ok

>>34986882
not exactly true, the duel proved what many naval architiects and admirals had already concluded, that iron built steam powered ships were the future.

but several navies, notably the british and french had already reached the same conclusion several years earlier and had already started transitioning.

it was in fact far less of a revolution than the launching of HMS dreadnought, because the change was already happening the battle merely emphasising contemporary thought regarding the future of naval warfare