Lever action is inherently the most American design and the best

>>34973369
Shouldn't you be crying over your duster right now?
>T. Shitkat
>I'm trying to check out a lever action soon

>>34973404
I'll cry when i have to try and find a rear end and gearbox. I guess nobody on Ebay feels like shipping anything that weighs more than 200 pounds.

>>34973420
Tru. Also what is better, 30-30 it .308? I'd go for a .357 but they're stupid expensive for some reason here

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>>34973369
I'll say this much, lever action rifles are easily the most satisfying to cycle. It's right up there with pumping a shotgun.

>>34973498
From a practicality standpoint i don't see a difference, they're both boolits and they've both taken big game. I just know that where i'm at 30-30 is cheaper.

i think .357 might get the race-gun treatment but it would be real nice to own a .357 lever action.

>>34973504
a butter smooth lever will always be the best feeling.

>>34973369
>weak af
>cant even work it properly from the prone without bullshit maneuvers
>limited bullet design
>overly complicated
Literally shit tier

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I hope this would happen

>>34973686
You forgot
>terribly slow reloading

>>34973686
>>weak af
Okay let me shoot you to see how weak it is my man

>cant even work it properly from the prone without bullshit maneuvers
nobody prones except old women because of the arthuritis

>limited bullet design
Your eyes aren't good enough to hit more than 30 feet in front of you anyway

>overly complicated
What's so complicated about a lever?

>>34973686
How much multicam are you wearing right now?

>>34973504
i think bolts have them beat

>>34973369
I want to get a 44. Been looking at the Marlin 1894 as it has the price range I'm going after and seems well built.

What else should I know? Is there anything better for the price? What specific model should I be looking at?

>>34973749
That depends, your nugget cycles like shit in comparison, just like mine does. The only thing that has felt as good are Swiss or Austrian straight pulls.

>>34973732
Are these decent?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7231250/denver-colorado-rifles-for-sale--rossi-rio-grande-30-30-

>>34973764
Get a pre-'64 Winchester or a Marlin.

>>34973760
Marlins are excellent, can't say the ammo will be cheap though.

>>34973764
I've heard good things about Rossi, really slick actions, i've heard people choose them for shooting matches and such.

>>34973782
I'm in it mostly for general versatility. I've seen 44 seems to be a decent round and carries a not terrible price.

How much should the rifle be?

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>>34973369
>went to shoot my new Henry today
>my face the entire time

>>34973776
I'm not opposed to it, but I don't want to spend that much on one.

>>34973807
Post pics boi

>>34973782
>Marlins are excellent
I heard they had some QC problems. Did they straighten them out?

>>34973800
>How much should the rifle be?
Between $400-$700 i would think, they're not exactly pieces of art.

>>34973369
They're fantastic, fun mid-range and horseback rifles, but Rotating bolt and straight pulls lock up better for far heavier cartridges.

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>>34973815
These sights are pretty different than the types I'm used to but I can tell it's a great little rifle already

>>34973823
>I heard they had some QC problems
I've not heard about that on one of their lever actions.

>>34973868
What caliber?

i wish lever guns were attainable for poorfags but its pretty much a dumped design

>>34973845
What I was expecting. Thanks.

>>34973876
357 magnum

>>34973883
Nice. My wife has a .357 Golden Boy. It's nice being able to pack my Ruger and just one caliber for both guns.

I don't love that tube mag though.

What are the ballistics like for the levergat cartridges? Is there any major difference between a 357 or a 44?

>>34973823
Yeah, the latest new rifles are fine.

The problem was that Remington tried to just do a straight transplant of all of the equipment to the new superfactory. Except Marlins prior to the buyout were basically handcrafted and there were no blueprints or repeatable process, and the equipment was probably 40 years past when it should've been replaced.

So for a few years the output was garbage, until they took a pre-buyout model they considered exemplary and used it as the base to completely start over.

But yeah, Marlins have a receiver that's better constructed than a Winchester 94's, is mechanically simpler, and has a flat top with scope mount holes pre-drilled and tapped. Plus its mechanism lets you add more rounds without having to open the action.

>>34973877
What the problem is, they're not that expensive?

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>My 1950 model 336SC in .35 REm

>>34973899
Yes.

>>34973926
what do youmean
they all go for classics collector prices

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>>34973951
My '49 Winchester was $600. You can them for even cheaper if you hunt around.

>>34973951
I've seen some at Cabelas for sub-$700.

Just don't be fooled into buying something for a discontinued cartridge. Pretty sure there are some 30-30 wildcats out there that haven't existed in at least 20 years.

>>34973732
>Okay let me shoot you to see how weak it is my man
Literally one of the oldest shooting community fallacies on the books. You probably use birdshot for HD because "i sure wuddn wan get shot by that, no way no how". Also, im kinda talking about the design being structurally weak

>nobody prones except old women because of the arthuritis
Great point. Absolutely nobody has ever proned to stay behind cover/concealment or for a more stable shooting platform.

>Your eyes aren't good enough to hit more than 30 feet in front of you anyway
thanks for letting me know that before i got into a car or something and hurt myself. Great point too, you know, like objectively and all that.

>What's so complicated about a lever?
What's so complicated about a space ship, you get in it and you go to space, right?

>>34973736
8 and a half.

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I keep a henry .4570 I got in trade for stupid cheap in my riot loadout.

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>>34974063
Better pic of lever.

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>>34974023
Yeah, and can you believe some people like those old classic cars? Like hello? A used Toyota Camry is cheaper, more fuel efficient, and easier to maintain.

Get with the times Grandpa!

>>34974023
>Literally one of the oldest shooting community fallacies on the books.
And yet they still kill things dead.
Just like 38 special hasn't gotten any weaker between the 80's and now and those things can put down coke fiends just fine.

>Also, im kinda talking about the design being structurally weak
No, you're talking about the lock strength, and nobody cares because they just make bigger actions for bigger rounds.

>Great point. Absolutely nobody has ever proned to stay behind cover/concealment or for a more stable shooting platform.
Stop trying to apply your imaginary combat zone scenario to a design that's over a century old. These guns are still much beloved by hunters despite the inefficiency of prone shooting.

>thanks for letting me know that before i got into a car or something and hurt myself. Great point too, you know, like objectively and all that.
Not an argument. You know you're a bad shot is all you're saying to me rn.

>What's so complicated about a space ship, you get in it and you go to space, right?
If you have trouble figuring out how a lever mechanism works i have bad news for you son.

>>34974063

.45-70 in your riot loadout? Where the fuck do you live, Liberia?

Having said that, never fired anything in .45-70, how fun (and expensive) is it to shoot?

>>34974134
I hear some people get raked over the coals with local prices, but if you buy it online it's like $.95-1.25 per round I think.

Reloading is probably like 40% of that but that's just a guess.

>>34974134
Not him but
>how fun
Not very much
>and expensive
Yep

>>34974096

>nobody cares because they just make bigger actions for bigger rounds.

Wait but if it's the best manual design ever then shouldn't it be just as strong or even stronger with the same material amounts?

>Stop trying to apply your imaginary combat zone scenario to a design that's over a century old.
Implying that bolt guns don't still see regular use in war zones everywhere. Wow, wonder why they don't just use the clearly superior in every way lever gun? surely the cost of retooling would be worth ALL OF THE BENEFITS it offers over bolt actions

>You know you're a bad shot is all you're saying to me rn.
Not an argument

>If you have trouble figuring out how a lever mechanism works i have bad news for you son.
>missing the point this completely
You see, i said something perfectly reasonable and then you made a semi-rediculous comparison that largely missed the point so i then threw an entirely ridiculous comparison that completely misses the point back at you.

It isn't the complexity of use i was talking about it's the complexity of the internal design.

It's like you've already forgotten the premise of this thread "Lever action is inherently the most American design and the best manually repeating action ever developed prove me wrong"

HEY LEVERBOY, BOLT ACTIONS ARE BETTER AT EVERYTHING BUT BEING FAST!!!!! PUMP ACTIONS ARE BETTER AT BEING FAST!!!!

>>34973686
>weak af
Chambered in everything up through .300RUM and .405win. Hardly.
>limited bullet design
Box-mag leverguns have been around for 122 years tho
>overly complicated
Depends entirely on which design. An 1866, 1873, or 1876 seriously only has 4 moving parts.

>>34974180
>Wait but if it's the best manual design ever then shouldn't it be just as strong or even stronger with the same material amounts?
I'm sure if a Winchester 94 can handle a .450 Marlin it's fine.

>Implying that bolt guns don't still see regular use in war zones everywhere.
They pale in comparison to modern rifles.

>Not an argument
Not an argument.

>You see, i said something perfectly reasonable and then you made a semi-rediculous comparison that largely missed the point so i then threw an entirely ridiculous comparison that completely misses the point back at you.

That has no effect on me, I'm a 90's kid. I grew up saying shit like this to everyone.

>"Lever action is inherently the most American design and the best manually repeating action ever developed prove me wrong"
This statement is still correct. The major benefits outweigh the marginal, and almost nonexistant flaws of which you are scraping the barrel and inventing ridiculous scenarios to mention.

>HEY LEVERBOY, BOLT ACTIONS ARE BETTER AT EVERYTHING BUT BEING FAST!!!!! PUMP ACTIONS ARE BETTER AT BEING FAST!!!!
nigga mad lul, let me guess, you think a Mosin Nagant is good.

>>34974134
Its what I have, out of what I have a .4570 is my best option I think.

.45-70 is the most fun ive shot, especially with lighter loadings, the recoil is exaggerated, much less than any shotgun load, Maybe the heaviest 4570 loads ive shot line up with the lighter birdshots.

It is stupid expensive though, i started reloading because of it. Buing bullets to reload I can get it down to .60c a round, if I start casting itll be half that.

>>34973823

my 336w had a bad ejector and i've broken about a dozen of the screws that hold the forearm in place. i got a better aftermarket ejector on the cheap but the forearm screws have been a non-stop problem.

supposedly the figured out what was going wrong because i'm apparently not the only complaint, so the new screws are allegedly tougher. but i wouldn't know, they sent my screws to the wrong address. twice.

if these new screws show up and are still shit, i'm putting my marlin on a wall and buying something else.

>>34974312
>I can get it down to 60c a round
Hopefully that's for jacketed bullets, because the cheapest commercial .458" bullet is 17c each.

Add in a 3 cent primer and anywhere from 46-70gr/12-20 cents of powder (brass will last basically forever if you're not retarded or going for elephantfucker loads in a Ruger #1) and you should be at or under 40 cents a round.

>>34974412
I just started and havent had a chance to negate the cost of brass from shooting it, so thats where the discrepancy comes in.

>>34974457
Ah, fair enough I guess.

>>34974151
I like that .35 Rem is now available online for under $1/r.

>>34974457

Good on you for picking up a nice levergun, and for answering my earlier question.

I've fired a fair few shotguns in various bores, and a .308 and a Tikka T3 in .22-250. My usual weapon of choice was a BSA ultra (which is a Pre-Charged airgun) in .22 which I used mostly for small game and such, but had to sell it when my son was born, but I'll get back into pest control again.

>>34974832
If you can shoot a shotgun you can shoot even the hottest 4570 safe to run in a levergun.

It kicks, but i love it. Some people cant shoot shotguns, but thats on them.

>>34973369

Bolt action is better because you can use it while in the prone. However, lever action .45-70s in a nice wood stock are the best looking rifles on the planet.

>>34975057

I'm not OP sorry

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>>34973369
I would, but I agree.

>>34975057
>you can't use lever-action while in the prone
I want this meme to die

>>34973498
.308 is better

>>34975302
Just turn it sideways? Like serious.

>>34975305
How is it price wise?

The only thing I want in life other than a lovely old 94 Winchester, is an 1895 Winchester nugget.

>>34973369
is there a good gunsmithing book on lever guns

>>34974063

Loose laces break faces! Secure that shit son!

>>34975416
probably

>>34974134
.45-70 is stupid fun. Given the straight-wall brass it lends itself very well to the Lee handloading kit. Cowboy loads will make the brass last upwards of 15 shots before it wears out. It's also incredibly versatile for a rifle round, use a lighter load for durr, or a 500 grain wadcutter for bear or hogzilla. Hornady makes conical bullets that are safe for a tube may in 325 grain.

It's also an absolute hoot-and-a-half to shoot in a lever gun.

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>>34975537

Watching the Revenant.
Would 30-30 be adequate bear protection or should i go full retard and find a .444 gun?

>>34975790
30-30 is a deer round, only MAYBE adequate for controlled bear HUNTING in a group, for bear defense its sub optimal.

>>34975809
.444 it is then.

>>34973686
>cant even work it properly from the prone without bullshit maneuvers
This is my favorite, because I've done it, multiple times without bullshit maneuvers.pretty goddammit hard to lay flat enough while shouldering the rifle to be unable to work the action and Idk you but I don't live in Bonneville so assuming I was physically able to get that low, my view would likely be obstructed by...well, everything

>>34973873
You haven't been paying attention then. They haven't completely gone to shit, but there are a LOT of lemons, and I say this as a huge marlin fan that's had 336s, model 60s, 39s, and 1894s

>>34973877
Not really, just have to buy used. Used winchester are all over the place and $300-$400 isnt really rare

>>34973369
>best manually repeating action ever

Is the revolver.

>>34973696
Thay mag would need to be far up or that would have to have a short ass round to be able to get the full stroke out of the lever in that small space. That being said I would shoot the fuck out of something like that

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The Pump-Action is superior to all other types of manually operate actions.

Pump actions are more American.

why is it better than the Lever gun?
>Can easily use a more conventional and stronger locking mechanism such as those found on the bolt action.
>Can be easily operated in the prone position
>working the action does not throw off the aim
>Finger can remain on trigger while working the action
>easily designed to be magazine fed
>doesnt require your hand to be inside of a ring.
>The bolt does not comeback in your face when working the action
>bolt can lock up inside barrel instead of receiver, so the receiver can be made of lighter material.
>jams are easily resolved like on any semi-automatic rifle(remove mag, operate action)
>can be scaled up easily.
>easier to manufacture
>smoother action
>stuck casings can be mortar dropped, unlike lever guns which you have to break across something.
>easier to disassemble and clean
>action is barely exposed when operating the action.
There are probably more.

>>34974092
I mean, compared to old cars when talking practicality, the Camry is better in every way. It's like how modern guns are better than lever actions in every practical way. It's totally fine for you to like them, but don't act like they're superior. You can say they're cooler, but if you say they're better then you're just retarded.

>>34976543
You aren't wrong, just most of the "modern" ones look like shit which is unfortunate

Would it be dumb to try and trade my Glock 22 gen 3 for this?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7191191/colorado-springs-colorado-rifles-for-sale--marlin-336w--30-30-win-

>>34976840
if the other guy is willing, it's worth it. All firearms in .40 are shit and should be ditched as soon as possible

>>34976543
how do i make a pump action able to be slam fired

>>34976861
I mentioned in another thread, but I shot a cz75b and it ruined my Glock for me.

>>34973369

One of my coworkers got a Winchester 94 from trading computer work. He sold it to me for around 200ish thing was old, and beat up, It was a hunting rifle, and looked like the guy kept the fucker tied to the back of an ATV and never bothered to clean it.. Spent hours upon hours trying to treat the rust on the receiver, cleaning, buffing, polishing (mainly cleaning the years of gunk and neglect) and other than the trapdoor sometimes pushing outward after a shot or three (needed replacement) it ran smooth as butter...

My father commented on how he used to have one when he was a kid just like that one down to the worn leather sling.. So once I was done cleaning it, I gave it to him since he doesn't have the money to

He put about 5 rounds through it , then let me hold onto it to keep it maintained... then he took it and pawned it 2 months later. Wouldn't tell me where he pawned it, how much he got for it so I could get it back...


Never been so fucking pissed off over a gun in my entire life

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>>34974096
>38 special hasn't gotten any weaker between the 80's and now

>>34976872
remove disconnector. I suppose.

>>34976543
>can more easily use a more conventional and stronger locking mechanism such as those found on the bolt action.
Look up the locking lugs on the Model 88 winchester. 3 lug rotating bolt, strong enough for .308.

>>34977616
Thats not my point.

key words
>more easily

i didnt claim it was impossible and thats only one of my points.

>>34973732
>Okay let me shoot you to see how weak it is my man
He meant the action is weak, not the bullet. Bolt actions are stronger, so they allow the use of higher pressure cartridges.

>>34973883
Love my Henry .357. It's probably the most fun gun I've ever had

>>34977668

Except its not more easily you turd nugget.

Its the same method. Bolt goes forward and cams lugs into barrel extension.

>>34976543
What's the cheapest pumpy I can buy?

>>34973760
With marlin make sure you don't have fucking micro groove rifling. It's shit.

>>34980346
Have you just been to three threads on a single forum before coming here or are you just reading the preview text of Google search results

>>34980276
pretty much the Remington 760.

Sadly there arent many pump action rifles.

>>34973951
No nigger. You can get a new Marlin 336 for $350 all day every day. You can get a steel-framed Henry .22 for around $240. If you wanna play with the big-bores like .45-70 the Marlin 1895 starts at about $500.

They're literally cheaper than most serviceable boltguns and only around $50 more than the cheapest of cheapshit boltguns.

>>34973899
Depends entirely on the levergat cartridge. You can get "traditional" levergats (IE, not the Long Ranger or BLR or Savage 99) in anything from .218 Bee through .50-110 Express, and the box-mag leverguns are available in the modern magnums (up to .300RUM) as well as the pedestrian shit like .243/.308/.30-06.

Yes, there is a world of difference between .357 and .44mag regardless of what gun it's shot out of. Like, no shit why would you think otherwise?

>>34975379
Runs the gamut. Due to being so popular, you have cheapshit steel-case plinking loads from the various combloc companies that are cheaper than the cheapest .30-30, but when comparing low-end hunting loads .30-30 is cheaper by a buck or two a box.

Your basic-bitch Remington or Winchester Core Lokt/Powerpoint .30-30 runs around $15 a box of 20, your basic-bitch Winchester or Remington Core Lokt/Powerpoint .308 runs around $18 a box of 20 and the ultracheap Prvi softpoints are $16-17 a box.

>>34976470
>what are toggles
The Winchester 1895 manages to cycle .30-06 with an 80* lever throw.

>>34980276
If you live in North America it's probably either the Remington 760 or the Chiappa clone of the Colt Lightning.

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>>34976833

Pretty much this. Old school pump action rifles were very attractive, but modern ones are ugly. It's something about the proportions, like the forend is chunky and the stock too beefy. Remington seems to want to style them after shotguns, which isn't the way to go in my opinion.

>>34976543

Pump rifles are one of those things no one thinks or even knows about, and it's a damn shame. They're really, really slick.

>>34981116
>They're really, really slick.
like the cock you like to stroke you fucking faggot

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>>34981034

The 1895 doesn't have any toggle links in it, what are you on about?

The BLR uses a weird rack and pinion setup to connect the bolt and lever. That's why the stroke is so long

>>34981128

Well, of course. What kind of savage gives a dry blowjob

grandad gave me a pre 64 1894 in .32 win special as a gift about a month ago..i never had a lever gun before, but i absolutely love this thing. shoots nicely too

>>34981187
ow

>>34981159
That's more so it can have the trigger that travels with the lever, isn't it?

>>34981187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH1ruMGpTVY

>>34981324
tfw no gf

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>>34981301

It also probably simplifies design, since the bolt travels in a predictable path and it eliminates a lot of linkage. I suppose it's also a mechanically positive system. On the other hand all those gear teeth, pinions, etc look expensive to manufacture, and you can't skimp on quality or else you'd get a lot of wear.

I've heard they difficult to tune and do work on as a result.

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>>34981385
Eh, one of the nice things with the marlin 336 is that it's pretty mechanically simple.