Fucked with one of these things at my LGS today and I think I

>>34965978
I've wanted one for a while but don't think I'll ever get one.

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So the issue is that the barrels are like molded or epoxyd in place so getting it out wrecks the receiver. I wanted to do the same thing but hit that roadblock. But you can just buy the pistol version and add the grip/stock.

>>34965978
For a civvy self defense gun these are great. My friend owns two and they are far more accurate than you'd think. I've asked him to sell me one but no-go!

>>34965978
https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/su-16d12

Has a retail SBR variant.

>>34965978
Has anyone seen one of these with wood furniture?

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Have one, sent thousands downrange. It's light, accurate and reliable. It is not a combat weapon, but for non combat tasks? It's great.

It's a good gun, just understand it's not the best choice for WW3. It wasn't designed to be either.

>>34966710
I'm positive it doesn't exist.

>>34966149
You can't.

>>34966764
It's going to be used more for getting me to my main rifle at home or just getting the fuck away, so no worries about WW3. Civil unrest is more of a concern than anything. I figure it should give me an edge against the hordes of bodies that could potentially surround my car or otherwise block me from it. Or besieged myself and my co-workers inside our workplace. Or a truck full of belligerent drunks. Or any number of far-fetched scenarios that seem to be more likely every day.

>>34965978
Hory shet this is Cali legal if you get the fixed stock and 5 rnd mags, isn't it?

>>34967115
But what will get you to your carbine, to get you to your rifle?

>>34967530
Most things are legal in Cali if you throw a fixed stock and a five round magazine on it. Please send help, and by help I mean helicopters to throw the commies out of.

>>34967570
My little CC pistol and my fucking slave feet.
>>34967530
They do make a California compliant version.

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>>34967587
>five

>>34967793
Yeah the limit right now ten, but I am under no illusions that the grabbers will stop there. Any gun is too much gun for those people.

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>>34965978
The whole thing is plastic. It wouldn't be a very good pack rifle if you have anything in the pack. It doesn't even take recoil well enough.


Its just a typical niche leltek contraption thats borderline chinese toy

>>34967822
>pre-cucking yourself before the laws even get to the point of cucking your.

Jesus you are a beta.

>>34967877
>LEMME SEE HOW WELL IT TAKES DOUBLE PRESSURE LOADS USING PISTOL POWDER

>>34965978
if they were stamped steel or lighter I'd buy, til then no.

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>>34965978

>>34965978
I have one and I enjoy it. Its really lightweight and folds into a decently small package. Obviously it is not meant to be thrown around and beat on skulls, but it has its place. It is a fairly simple design, that comes apart rather easily. I have fed it everything from high dollar brass, to the cheapest steel, and it hasn't rejected anything. The only malfunction I've had with it was a light primer strike. My buddy was shooting it and I wasn't there to see what he was doing, so ill take it with a grain of salt. It takes surplus aluminum mags and Pmags just fine. The operation and front sight of the gun remind me of an AK. I mainly shoot AK pattern rifles, so I find this rifle easy to switch to, but also refreshing. I think that it would make an excellent gun to keep in a vehicle or a backpack. It's not meant to replace an AR, but I feel it compliments one well. I paid $400 for mine about 8 months ago. Mine is the "B" variant with the aluminum front sight.

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Honestly it's a really interesting gun, i'd just wish that they added like 1/4 of a pound worth of strengthening elements to the receiver so that it would be a bit more rugged.

The other option for the use you described, and one i'd probably rather go for is just to build a really light weight AR, CAV-15 lower, pencil barrel etc. and just carry the separated upper and lower in your backpack.

>>34965978
Eww

>>34969812
I had thought about that but I like the idea of firing the SU-16C while folded. It's going to spend time in some kind of bag and that bag will inevitably be in my vehicle during transit or when I go to 7-11 and the Pakistani dude tells me I can't have my backpack inside.

Point is, I like the option of maneuverability at a danger close distance in a cramped space. It's like having an obrez in 5.56 with the option of unfolding a stock.

>>34965978

Ive heard that sometimes the receiver can crack pretty quickly towards the back due to the bolt constantly peening the shit out of the flimsy buffer. Ive also heard people owning and using them for thousands upon thousands of rounds with no problem.

I dunno.

>>34971383
There is no buffer. The bolt carrier travel in the SU16 is pretty much entirely controlled by the piston rod/recoil spring/recoil spring tube assembly. The receiver cracking issue is due to the piston rod unthreading from the bolt carrier, increasing the length of the whole bolt carrier group until it can contact the rear of the plastic upper while cycling. Current production SU16s have the carrier peened to the piston rod to held prevent this, but I'd keep an eye on it anyways.

>>34965978
I have a full length one that I use for 3 gun. It's sufficiently reliable, accurate, and easy to manipulate, but there is one thing that I would warn prospective buyers about. The optic mount rail is molded directly into the zytel upper, and the receiver is light enough to allow the rail to flex with relation to the barrel if you apply any kind of pressure through the grip or stock while having the front supported, such as when shooting from a barricade. The rifle needs an exceptionally light touch to maintain POA/POI because of this. If you were to SBR it, that should help a bit since you'd end up with a shorter lever arm to flex the receiver through.