/gg/ gunsmithing general : remove commies edition

>>34952525
I've shot a few M53s and my cousin has two, they are super fun. Enjoy. You should make a build video btw.

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>>34952542
that is the plan for sure, I'll be doing a video build documentation on my channel and a written how to documentation on the kommandoblog. with the complete machined semi parts on the market, and doing a re-weld, I think it shouldn't be terribly hard..

This is my 3D printed 10/22 stock that uses a SA 26 folding stock and an AR pistol grip. More pictures incoming.

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>>34953281

>>34952667
How much is it gonna cost you total for all the parts?

easiest way to get a gunsmiths ffl?

>>34952525

nice. you plan to get the inner barrel as well?

>>34953267
I have a 3D printer too and did a lot of shit for my 10/22

Eurofag BTW

>>34953325
If you have to ask a Mongolian soup making forum, then you probably aren't going to get one. Contact the ATF and ask them for a form 7 and fill it out. You have to have a permanent place of business to apply for one and it can't be your parents house.

>>34953481
Dont you have to have gone to school or been apprenticed?
I have a permanent place of business.

>>34953300
Something over $2000
>>34953338
Gonna get the MG3 308 barrel
>>34953494
>Do you have to go to school
No, but the only way you'll make money is if you do good work, any mistakes will ruin your business.
>>34953281
Neat

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>>34953799
I believe in you. Your FAL vid gave me the confidence to build one.

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Dis gon b gud. The semi recievers are a bitch to weld up. There are a few builds done on the Akfiles.

When you getting a mill fampai?

This is where my company buys carbide cutters from: http://www.monstertool.com/monster_tool_mill_monster.html

>McMaster carr
>MSCdirect.com

material suppliers

>>34953281
Great something else i need to make now. Well where can i get the file. That looks like what i have been wanting on my 22. Just didnt know it till now.

>>34952667
Thanks nigga. The ones we had were full auto, not really sure how enjoyable it will be on semi. Do you plan to make it full auto?

>>34953829
glad I could help
>>34954673
once I get my SOT 2 again.. for now Semi it is.

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Madsen M50 "Dirty Sanchez" build open bolt SMG.

About as simple as you can get.

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>>34955915
One of this simplest designs imaginable.

Fun fact, if you remove the barrel nut the thing opens like a clam shell to service. There's also a magazine speed loader hidden in a secret compartment within the pistol grip section.

>>34955915
>>34955947
SOT?

>>34955915

Almost looks like you could make that in an afternoon in a well-equipped garage with a fridge full of booze.

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>>34956119
You can hahaha

>>34953799
I do fuckin great work still learning but i can do anything any of the fudds around here would need

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>>34953281
>>34953295
>>34953305

Is that the side folder out of an Sa vz. 26 parts kit?

>>34956369
If you're so good you can figure out how to do anything then you can figure out how to get your FFL

>>34956931
Yes, If you read the first post of mine it states that.

>>34954649
Do you have a 3D printer? If not I may be able to hook you up with an already printed one.

>>34956997
sosalt

>>34952525
Post pics of the reciever up close? I need to see how thick the metal is for research purposes. Your contributions will help greatly. Am archiving dimensions for Lyceum

>>34955915
>>34955947
Haven't seen you in a while, how's it going boof

>>34957671
probably still trying to sell off his three hundred eighty glocks

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New something something came in the mail.
One hint its not for a C96.
I'm sure Zasta would know what it is.

>>34960359

VIS 35?

Where can you find a MG42 or M53 kit? Nobody wants to ship them to California now even as parts kits.

>>34960835
Ha, no not that.
This is however an early model original and not a repro.

>>34960359
Early wood stock for a Stechkin.....

>>34960990
yup

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>>34953829
Speaking of FALs, I'm thinking about dropping the money on a Imbel fal kit. Whats they best receiver to build it with and should I homebuild or ship it out to a gunsmith? Pic unrelated.

Would it be possible to create a caseless black powder cartridge? Like, drop that shit as once piece down a musket

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>>34962720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2HUcfAyaaQ

>>34956369

>Fudds
> needing any kind of actual gunsmithing

Get back to us when you build an AK from a flat and dont fuck up the barrel pin hole

>>34955915
>>34955947
this is awesome as fuck
>>34960843
it depends on what kind of build you want to do on which kind of kit you need.
>>34961041
FALs are stupid easy to build. you'll spend the same amount of money sending it to a builder as you would on all the tools.
Get an Imbel receiver, there is nothing better

>>34963557
Was your first mistake oversized pin hole?

Holy shit guys, cokeman is back. I wonder how this shit is gonna turn out, he is making his coming back on the post google internet. Web2.0.

>>34964850
Flander man, I don't know if you have contact with mcnigger, but is very urgent plz tell him rich is kill :(

>>34967393
Did he ever leave?

>>34968625
Who is rich?

>>34961041
What is that?

>>34970639
Some shitty body builder guy

>>34953986
I'm doing a re-weld on an original receiver.

prob gonna get a mill when I move

Im just getting into parts kits after a long history of tinkering in other areas. Is there a pace to find cad files for receivers and other parts? I have a customer of mine who is a veteran machinist and said if i have the files he can assist in making it.

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>>34952525
>>34952667
Prepare to suffer on the 308 barrel costs. Additionally you need to modify the blank firing adapter if you plan to use 308 blanks in it while closed bolt

>>34975095
already got the 308 barrel off a guy for $250 installed in the extension

also have a 2 piece 308 blank barrel

>>34975170
Not bad. Are you going with BRP semi parts?

>>34975176
yup, RTG had everything, oddly enough more complete and cheaper than directly through BRP.

Plus RTG had all of the MG3 parts I needed except for the barrel.

and luckily Atlantic wall blanks got in some 2 piece 308 blank barrels for $300

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>>34975213
You can use the original feed tray and top cover with 308 if you are in a pinch. When you get your bolt measure the ejector retainer roll pin and buy replacements. When I had an overpressure event my rollpin blew out, BRP sent a spare but it was pretty lame to wait for.

>>34975239
>>34975213
Original feed tray and top cover if you arent using the DM6 links/drums*

>>34975239
>>34975265
good to know, what length was yours that made it blow out?

And yeah I wanted to be able to use the drums so I ordered the MG3 tray and top cover with some drums to use

>>34975399
>good to know, what length was yours that made it blow out?
I have had a series of shitty luck with mine. First I had a round of 308 grenade and take out the ejector. Then our mutual egyptian buddy and I ran a bunch of DAG blanks out of it which are apparently too hot for the brp closed bolt + blank firing adapter to handle. I've had other issues as well but mostly from just bad luck.

Anyone know where I can buy a .32 reamer? Got a DPM/DP28 barrel segment I've cleaned up. Great rifling. Going to make it into a single shot target pistol to shoot .32 ACP or .32 S&W.

If Hand Nuggets were still $99 like the good ole days, I'd consider just getting one of them and figuring out a way to rig on the heavy barrel, but not that lucky anymore.

>>34975493
shid, I saw some DAG adapters for them, with a separate booster and bolt.

possibly headspace issues?

>>34977498
The black/green DAG, not the blue DAG
The explosion was just shitty wolf rim separation

>possibly headspace issues?
Possible

>>34977592
interesting, so you were shooting the black/green blanks with just an adapter? I have a few thousand of them, but getting the two piece blank barrel

they were really weak shooting out of my FAL with a blank adapter. I could shoot them practically without earpro

>>34952667
Where did you manage to get an MG42 parts kit? I thought they dried up. How much was it?

>>34977657
na they are around, Apex has some without receivers pieces, bipod or barrels for like $475 I think, but I bought mine with all the receiver pieces for $750 which was worth because the receiver looks like an easy re-weld and it has the bipod

>>34977703
Where did you get yours? I don't see anything on Apex besides individual parts and sold out M53 kits. The kit you posted doesn't look like it was torch cut.

>>34977737
Oh shit looks like they ran out already
Damn
But yeah mg34.com still has some with the receiver peices.

https://mg34.com/product/m-53-mg-42-spare-parts-set-excellent-condition/

>>34977801
Aww, that's just another M53 kit. Good condition though.

>>34977824
Yeah but prob best you can get without paying rape prices on gunbroker.

Easy re-weld receivers.

Really no difference other than the AA mount compared to the two, especially since Yugoslavia was using German tooling.

>>34977843
Yeah, but a man can dream. I'm just glad it happens to be pretty much a carbon copy of the original.

>>34956193
Nice shotgun.

>>34956997
Why are you being such a cunt about this?

Are you afraid of one more fucking gunsmith in a country of 325m taking some of your business or glory?

>>34977637
>interesting, so you were shooting the black/green blanks with just an adapter?
Correct
>they were really weak shooting out of my FAL with a blank adapter. I could shoot them practically without earpro
I shot some out of a mauser on the 4th without ear pro, sort of ringy but no more than 22

Talk to our mutual pyramid pilot friend more if you have questions, hes a smart cookie as always

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Would cerakote cobalt be a good color for a Jericho frame and slide? Pic related is what it looks like on a rifle

>>34978578
Good yeah probably but why seems like a waste of money.

>>34978770
I have money to waste

>>34977498
>>34977592
Headspace is bullshit for the most part. Read Hatcher's Notebook on this subject. tl;dr bubba gunsmiths were making wildcat rounds with much higher pressures than the original bolt-action rifles they were modifying were designed for, and predicitably the bolt lugs got sheared off and some chambers got ruptured. Bubbas were at a loss to explain what happened because it seemed to be OK on some other gun of the same design but made, unknown to them, in a different factory with different metallurgy. And so a boogeyman by the name of headspace was born. Seriously, unless you screw-in a 50 cal barrel you really don't need to be concerned with headspace. A gap of .015" or .030" is not going to affect how well the weapon operates for a .308 round. To claim otherwise is just ignorant. Now if you need a sniper rifle then you want consistency and everything nice and tight, but that isn't what you have there boy, you have a bullet hose. I suspect that your roller grooves are out of spec and that you are getting blowback much sooner than you should. If it was headspace you would see bulged brass. Do you have bulges in your brass? Do you have a full set of prints for the MG3 or MG42? Do you kniw what to look for? Its a machine son, its not a mystery novel. You don't want to wait until the end to know who done it, you can measure your parts and find out what is wrong.

>>34977989
It's not that, it's just that the guy clearly doesn't know shit. Hasn't been to school or an apprenticeship and claims to be able to do any gunsmithing task. I doubt he's actually going to start his own buisness and is just wasting everyone's time by asking. Also, this is not the place to be asking how to get an FFL. Just google that shit.

>>34979581
I don't know about headspace being bullshit but people definitely worry about it more than they should. I get people bringing me old milsurp rifles all the time and asking me to check headspace and they're always fine. Unless someone has unscrewed the barrel from the receiver at some point, then it's probably fine.

>>34968625
Where'd that crazy nig go

>>34977843
How do you weld them? Jig? Tig or mig? Then machine afterwards?

Bumpo

>>34979581
Wrong
if something closes on a field gauge, you risk blowing it up in your face. Why ruin a perfectly good gun and your fucking face because you're too damn lazy to keep your gun in headspace?

>>34983524
This.
"It's probably fine" but if it isnt, you're going to be picking shards of steel out of your face.

>tfw made some grips but ended up drilling the top holes on both sides too fucking short.

Oh well, guess I can opt for electrical rape or a rubber handall or something

Hey, I made a thread earlier I could use some help on. The sights on a rifle I bought are canted. >>34983323

>>34979581

not only fake, also gay

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can this be done for less than 2000$? I figured i could get a remington 700 receiver and a barrel and interrupt the threads along with a locking surface for quick detach (locked into assembled form then reamed to get correct headspace) and then cutting down a stock and making it snap into multiple parts, or get/make a folding stock.

>>34985161
Yes, it could be done for much less than 2k probably. Decent .308 barrel blanks are like 150 bucks. The thing is, that gun would likely be inaccurate as fuck.

>>34985205
would it be capable of 5 inch groupings at 200 yds?

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>>34985205
also would just cutting the existing threads on the barrel and receiver be acceptable? or would the pressure fuck with it? (i.e. explosion) on the m240 the threads look a little heftier than on a standard remingot barrel

>>34985161
Also, you don't have to have the barrel locked onto the receiver to get the proper head space. You can just use a depth mic to measure the average distance between the face of the bolt and the front of the receiver and do the math yourself while adjusting for brass crush factor. Your idea is definitely seems doable but like I said, I would not expect that gun to be very accurate. What are you planning on making the stock out of?

>>34985261
It would probably be safer and better to buy a barrel blank and thread/chamber it yourself. If you just modified an existing barrel I'd be worried about kabooming it.

>>34985219
I have no idea, I'm not a marksman or a ballistics guy or anything. I do know how to accurize a rifle though and any non-concentricity/slop in the rifle/stock will have an adverse effect. There will be slop between the barrel and receiver from attaching/reattaching the barrel AND slop from attaching/reattaching the stock. Both of those will add up to inaccuracy. Being really precise with your machining will probably help that though.

>>34953281
I like it.

>>34984702

I looked at your other thread, these stuff was posted there >>34985377

>>34985401
ty

Just got the receiver stub cut off my Imbel FAL kit.
This is hand tightened to the point of resistance, can anyone with prior experience on this say if thats an ok amount or not? It seems like it might be a bit much, despite knowing it'll tighten up a lot after putting it in a vice.

Also, whats the best paint to replicate the Imbel/FN black epoxy? The finish DSA uses doesn't match up to the rest of the pieces.

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>>34986146
damnit

>>34986146

Just do what Century does and spraypaint the motherfucker.

>well maybe they don't anymore, but I used to have an early Century FAL and it was nothing more than spray paint over metal. Also have a Century G3 with the same "finish".

>>34978215
He's the one who's been helping me out with the build to begin with actually haha.
>>34980781
the jigs you can make yourself with parts from lowes, i'll do a write up when I get around to building it
>>34986146
>>34986157
usually people are looking for 1030-1100 position (from the front) for hand tightening. I think I've had one at 1000 which I was able to wrench on.

go for it I guess and see if you can get it to clock in.

paint wise, beleive it or not, but that $3 can of semi-gloss black rustoleum enamel paint matches the imbel paint perfectly

>>34986380
>rustoleum
I fucking hate all of you so much.

>>34986405
it really fucking works though, bake cure, stuff is durable as shit

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>>34961041
Do not listen.
They know not what they say.

You can save around $150-200 in making your own tools.
I used a lawnmower blade for my barrel wrench, and a vice with some strategically placed spacers for the receiver wrench.
>>34978578
It would be okay, but old style bluing would be sexier.
>>34979581
The one safety tool you do need is a good set of headspace gauges for the caliber you're working in.

The tiny gaps aren't much to worry about, but the visible difference between a .015 and a .040 isn't that easy to see.
Yes, with press fit barrels you can remove the extractor (not really that necessary; I've yet to remove an extractor on any kits and I'm just fine) and insert the go gauge, swapping back and forth SLOWLY until the no go fits, but screw in barrels and shit generally are a good bit harder to headspace, and FUCK things with a dedicated head spacing piece (like an FAL or an AR)
>>34985161
A barrel that has been correctly head paced and then pulled back out and redone to have interrupted threads?
Probably.
The problem would be finding a machine shop willing to help you.
>>34986157
Looks about right.
Now file until it's about 3/4 of the way there, and tighten it until it's actually properly timed.
You can always remove material, you can't necessarily put it back on.
>inb4 barrel washers
They're damn near impossible to find.

>>34986405
>>34986788

dont use fucking rustoleum high temp automotive paint, after 6 hours of backing and coating it melted off when I got CLP on it, hands were black for days

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>>34987259
Racist

>>34987259
>rustoleum high temp automotive paint
no that stuff is kinda shit

The good stuff is the enamel based paint.

>>34986380
>He's the one who's been helping me out with the build to begin with actually haha.
Lol, when are we going to get a 4th one and use the quad mount?

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>>34987553
guess I gotta make another

>>34987631
If we enslave the egyptian to build some (and maybe a pyramid or two) for my buddy with a SOT we could have a real party

>>34987676
sheeidd.
that would be awesome.

There's a FA blank only approved design out there that the ATF has approved for Indianapolis Ordnance, but they won't release the letters or design details.

But apparently they have made one that is considered a "non-firearm" as it can only shoot blanks, and retails the original rate of fire.

It probably follows the same design as their other blank only firearms though
https://youtu.be/Q8K_5nKWRCs?t=4m42s

>>34987722
>blanks
Get your milsim west autism out of here, we shootin real bullets real quick

>>34987740
well yeah I was a SOT for a few years myself, nothing like real bullets

But for SOT fun without the SOT.. blanks are pretty great

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>>34987761
If you didnt live so far east we would be able to all build cool shit together on a joint SOT or something.

>>34987774
east is the best my dude, prob gonna get a SOT again once I move into my new place and get a small side business running again just for small time sales/manufacture/transfers and SOT fun

Benis

BENIS

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There's something about my "new" Henry that I'm not sure if it's an issue or not.

There are straight marks inside the barrel (can't tell if they're scratches or cracks) that go along the length of it. Some of them are more pronounced than the others but they're still in an obvious hexagonal pattern. Could they just be tool marks?
I shot it and it was pretty damn accurate.
pls help my OCD ass

>>34991295
Desu you pretty much just stole Flandres style. Be a 1st rate you and not a 2nd rate flandre m8.

>>34991295
>>34991337
Also I forgot to add you should just get the fuck off of 4chan and use that shitty AR of yours to end your worthless life (if it doesn't jam that is). Don't worry, if you follow my advice and kill yourself it will be the first good decision you've ever made with your unimaginative, unoriginal, boring normie life. I hope this advice is "dope" enough for you. Stupid fucking normie posting porn in a sfw board.

>>34991295
Nice drug paraphernalia bootleg wierd al!
Nice whore too!

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I guess I'll ask here; kinda want to take one of these K-12 semi-auto shotguns and chop the barrel back. I figure if it can be done to a Saiga, it can be done here too. What sort of challenges would I face? Is it even possible?

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>>34991726
It has an adjustable gas system, and appears to be similar to the T97, internally.

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>>34991740
I know that the shorter dwell time will cause issues, I'm just looking for info what those issues will be, and how to rectify them. It'd be a great HD gun, if I could pull it off.

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Well I have been using C clamps instead of a vise and it sucks... Too many options, too many bad reviews.
What vise do you use?

>>34991726

The hillbilly in me says to put that sumbitch on the ground and take an angle grinder to the barrel. Should take you about 20-30 seconds. Then Grind it level and then sand to finish. But I'm a hillbilly redneck piece of white trash, so there's that.

>>34992123

I have a couple of old vises. All probably 60+ years old, one I know is over a 100. Work fine if you take care of 'em. Vises are largely vises though. For working on guns I have wood on the interior to not mar the finish.

>>34992224
It's the gas system I'm worried about. I'll chop that thicc cunt no problem, but what kinda problems will I get with the shorter dwell times?

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>>34992529
Just chop the son of a bitch. If it is undergassed you can always drill out the gas port to a bigger size.

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>>34992571
Won't that risk overgassing? I'd hate to have a perfectly good gun beat itself up.
>Anon has a point.

>>34992649
.5 millimeters is actually pretty large when talking about gas ports. Just step up the size a little bit, and if that's not enough open it a little more until it functions reliably. For example I had an 18" ar and it wouldn't reliably cycle softer loaded ammo like Tula, wolf, etc. and I opened tha gas port from .089" to .096" and now it functions reliably with everything.

>>34990862
Probably tool marks.

People think firearms are precision machines until they take a machine shop course.

Glass, however, is some high precision shit.

>>34987810
what happened to your first SOT?

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Made these. Didn't do a great job but did them by hand with a drill, harbor freight dremel, B&D mouse sander, and my bare hands. Kinda screwed up the holes but made it work in the end. They look pretty decent but I won't be doing another pair of these for other guns until I can get the rest of my equipment setup in shop. Or I just need to find out how to make this composite material and then I could just pour it into molds. Eventually my goal is to start securing these with wood bottoms to recreate the old jay scott grips, but not sure how popular they'd be these days and if people would be willing to pay what they'd cost to make.

>>34989359
>>34990145
thank bro
>>34993504
closed shop, business partner went into real estate and I went into software engineering. We had a small shop and a small operation, I felt limited by what we had and was pretty much just building AKs all day everyday, and there was more money elsewhere, especially with how expensive it had become to build AKs.

>>34994867
>especially with how expensive it had become to build AKs.
understandable, shoulda invested in some tooling and started making galil receivers at non rape prices, or make some products people will kill for.

>>34994341
Hey anon that looks pretty neat. Do you have any better pics? Is that metal?

>>34994888
It's such a fluctuating market with no telling when something is going to be in demand or not, and if I charged per hour what I make now (which is salary based so it's kinda hard to judge it by "hour") I'd have to charge so much that it would still be rape prices

Which is why when I open again, it's going to start off a really small operation, small amount of initial work, and if i can, grow it up into a business with more employees and invest in more capital to cut costs.

>>34994900

It's a composite. I got it from these guys a while back: https://aaocustoms.com/ - They sell on eBay too. This was Black Pearl (54). I'll try and put another pic up soon; my internet is being goofy because I live in the middle of nowhere.

>>34994970
>It's such a fluctuating market with no telling when something is going to be in demand or not
Well, I can't argue with that. it's like nothing but AR's and 1911's sell anymore. With Trump in office (thankfully) prices and demand are low and so are profit margins.

>>34995031
even the AR market has taken a huge hit, there's a reason everything is rock bottom in prices right now in the AR market.

>>34994970
How much do you make? I'm considering going to school for a computer science degree but I've heard the field is flooded with normies trying to make big bucks and subhuman pajeets who undercut the fuck out of other programmers.

>>34995135
I know, prices are the lowest they've been in years.

oh btw, how long is a normal galil receiver supposed to be. asking because I'm thinking of doing a reweld on a cut up receiver I have, and how tall are the tabs/ears near the trunnion portion just above the threads?

>>34995031
its not that those things sell particularly well, its just that the milsurps of all kinds are hardly being imported for various reasons so all we have is commercial trash like fudd guns and generic shit ar's

>>34995189
shame it's not the 80's when everything was imported and people could make mac 10's in their garage.

>>34995205
I had high hopes for the TRUMP administration but i think it will be hall marked by nothing more than a sea of readily available plastic striker fired pistols and assorted freedom group dogshit

>>34952525
>Playing Legos with parts kits makes you a gunsmith now

Keep in mind that that gun was simple enough for illiterate farmers and children to use and service

>>34995147
>field is flooded with normies trying to make big bucks
it's true, but most of those normies are only gonna make it so far once they settle in with a job that pays comfy enough that they won't care to move anywhere else.
>subhuman pajeets who undercut the fuck out of other programmers.
kinda true, there are particular parts of the field they ruin.

However, there's still a lot of money in the field, you also have to consider cost of living regional differences and job opportunities in different areas.

Most of the jobs, especially high paying ones, are in CA, and the cost of living there is insane.

But I would say It's actually not that hard to get a good paying job, but you have to be motivated, that's why moving to CA might actually be beneficial if only for a few years to make connections, I was lucky in the sense that I was able to make good connections without going into the deep end of the field and land me a lax job good paying job.

your first job is probably going to pay around $40-50k, if you stay in the company you'll be able to make more but I would say most if not all companies that employee entry level hires have a pay ceiling, you won't be making those 6 digits till you get several years in with entry/mid level jobs and then move into senior positions that pay the real bucks.
>>34995183
I don't have the galil receiver specs off the top of my head, I did my builds using CNC warrior receivers.

>>34995245
he was forced into a corner by the media. If he were to touch the sanctions, it would be the end of him

>>34995305
There's one person who posts in these threads who does actual gunsmithing and everyone else just does this parts kit bullshit. I mean, it's pretty cool, don't get me wrong but building parts kits all day does not a gunsmith make.

>>34995431
there's one "person" in these threads who tries to imply some vague sense of superiority over everyone and act like a fudd elitist and everyone else just does this contributing OC bullshit. I mean, its pretty cool, don't get me wrong but contributing relevant original content about building guns in a thread about building guns does not a gun smith make


why don't you show us what you've been working on? oooh let me guess not shit you worthless nay saying shit bag. IDK though maybe im just jumping to conclusions and you have actually wiped down the stock on some old shitty double barrel or something

>>34995305
>>34995431
There's only so much you can talk about "traditional/fudd" gunsmithing.
drilling/tapping holes in receivers, fitting stocks, timing revolver cylinders, turning barrels and threading them; all these things are great, and this thread is here for people to discuss that kind of work if they need help with it, but lets be honest most people would find it boring if I were to go on 3 threads in a row about repairing ribs on shotgun barrels, or going on about that Steven's 22lr my boss needed fixed that I spent finding the feeding issue, replacing the lifter spring and polishing the lifter for reliable function.
So instead the thread discussion can be driven by large scale projects.

Been doing it for almost 10 years now, both as a profession for many years and now just for personal enjoyment.

However, to say that re-building cut up and deactivated machine guns into semi-auto rifles is not "gunsmithing" is ignorant to say in the least. The conversions require a good amount of machining, new manufacture parts and semi-auto conversion modifications, re-welding, receiver building, re-finishing etc etc.

All of those things are covered under the literal definition of gunsmith.

"A gunsmith is a person who repairs, modifies, designs, or builds guns"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>34952525
Finishing up a restoration on a friend's father's guns. He would just throw jammed or old guns up in the attic so they were all nasty rusty.

Working on a .25acp conversion for my spare marlin 60, found out one day that .22lr and .25acp have very similar dimensions and they lock up into the bolt. I always wanted a reloadable small caliber rifle that was light and simple. Just have to modify the firing pin channel, make a new pin, modify the feed block, make a new magazine tube follower and of course get, chamber and fit a barrel.

>>34995655
>He would just throw jammed or old guns up in the attic so they were all nasty rusty.
christ
these are the worst kind of people. Have an old C96 that fell to the same fate

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>>34995655
Forgot pic, some of the parts I've refinished and polished. His guns aren't even really nice, two were just hardware store junk one is low value and too old to use standard ammo and the one these parts go to is just a standard marlin .30-30.

>>34995603
I actually would like to hear you talk about the fudd stuff to be honest, family.

Only thing I'll say about the whole parts kit vs. traditional gunsmithing thing is you do get some funnies here and there.

>LGS
>these guys do great custom work, AR builds, now doing AK builds
>SOT, they've done multiple demo MG's, it's top-tier work
>however, about a month ago they had a Charter Arms revolver in the store
>$99.99
>cylinder release latch wouldn't work and you had to use something to push the rod forward to eject the cylinder
>they couldn't figure it out and didn't feel like messing with it anymore

It was a 20 minute fix, and that included time I spent removing some rust and doing basic cleanup. One screw needed adjusting and the latch assembly had to be reassembled correctly, which was easy thanks to Charter Arms putting the video online (even they realize how goofy the design is). So what I'd say is a $200-250 gun they sold for $100 because they couldn't do a simple repair, yet they're doing great work on AR's and AK's and other shit. Though in hindsight, it probably had more to do with too many projects/limited help but I can't see leaving $100-150 on the table for 20 minutes of work.

On the flip side, I've heard of a guy named Hogleg Smith (out of GA) that does incredible work on revolvers, 1911's, and other "fuddy type" guns but he's fucked up work for more tactical/newer guns.

In my case, if my LGS ever gets in some kind of odd early 20th century pocket pistol or Saturday Night Special or some kind of oddball milsurp rifle, he usually gets a hold of me. And admittedly, I wouldn't know the first thing about an AR-15 besides the two I own, yet the same LGS owner can tell me just about everything I'd ever want to know about one. Everyone has their niche I guess.

>>34995684
My thoughts exactly. A couple of them had literally nothing wrong with them, the .30-30 had a round jammed in the action took me like 5 minutes to get out including getting out my screwdriver. But they all were rusted to hell, some parts rusted completely through and finishes just god awful, one had mold ON THE STOCK. Thank god for Numrich.

>>34995684

Family friend died several years ago. Went through attic, pulled out several old rifles. Same thing. Cracked stock, missing parts, etc; apparently he just threw 'em upstairs instead of fixing them. They kept what was savable and I bought "the rest" for $50. Seven guns in total, ended up parting out most of them because they were beyond repair. Still came out pretty good though.

>>34995684
honestly what does it matter if the gun is rusty and old and decayed? all those guns are gonna be gone soon enough. you are gonna be gone. all your experiences, relationships, memories, everything. it will be gone forever. you can use a shitty cop out like

>LOL im just gonna enjoy my lyfe nao!1!! XDXD

but guess what? it doesn't matter if you try to make the best of it or not. there's literally no point or rhyme or reason to any of this shit. even if we cease to exist at death or simply continue to exist in some form forever, this shit is infinite and none of it has any purpose. god fuking damn my johnies are so rostled. BRB im gonna swallow a fucking glock

>>34995791
>trying to ponder the meaning of life in a gunsmithing thread

>>34995791
lol, are you drunk? Post livestream if you're going to KYS.

>>34995791

Because it might not be necessary in my lifetime, but kids or grandkids or great-grandkids will probably need those guns to fight back some kind of horde, so the fuckers need to be in tiptop working condition.

>>34995808
sorry this shit has been weighing heavy on me lately. i don't even know what the fuck I am. im not my thoughts, im not my actions, im not peoples opinion of me. Its like im dissociating from reality and watching everything from a 3rd person view. I used to love shooting and guns and the like but its hard to give a single fuck about anything when you realize that there is literally no purpose in anything at all. sounds ridiculous i know but I cant reconcile this shit for the life of me. I cant find joy in anything because literally every action or thought I have is met with the realization that it is meaningless. also ill post some pics of an akm im building so as not to shit up the thread with my autistic musings.

>>34995813
If i decide to pull the trigger ill defintiely post a link here. Im not some depressed faggot these realizations are just so god damn utterly terrifying. i cant even sleep at night anymore.

>>34995878
Some people stare into the abyss and it ruins them. They can't handle the fact that life is absurd and there is no meaning to anything. Some will deny it and try to delude themselves into thinking there is meaning through religion or something similar, some will simply numb themselves to it with drink or drugs, others will fall into despair or end their lives. However, some stare into the abyss and are emboldened by it. They draw strength from it. They revel in the absurd. Be an ubermensch. Yes, it's ridiculous and pointless, but that's what's so fucking cool about it. It's hilarious. Everything is pants-on-head retarded and we're all going to fucking die. Don't you love it? I sure do.

That being said, you should definitely kill yourself for being a tripfag.

>>34995961
strange.. there are dichotomies in literally everything. on one hand life is inherently worthless, on the other hand you create whatever value you want to give it. But eventually you realize whatever value you give it is still made up and worthless. or at least I do.


look at my wrap nigger, Ive done some expert level trolling of nuggetfest threads. I earned the trip.

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Anyone got a guide to this?

How hard is it really to build a suppressor myself, assuming I do so legally?
By that I mean without suppressor kits, but without looking like a ghetto scrap build.

>>34998192
Look up "freeze plug suppressor" in Google. There's a screencap floating around here of it, but the thread itself was from another site.

Whatever you do, file form 1 first.

>>34997453

Looks like A MAC derivative. Would need more pictures but I'm assuming it's just a simple bolt inside steel tubing, some welding, real simple design.

>>34953281
Hey fuccboi don't 3d print a catch for it in lieu of the original trunnion, it'll snap right off. Use some sheet metal or something.

>>34997453
BPEN BOLT?

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Anyone need tips or help with an Uzi build?

I can help, give advice, etc

>>34999293
How much does is cost to build one? They look like a lot of fun desu

This is my bump song, take back my thread song

Link pdfs

Which should I build and why? I'm stuck between an Imbel kit and an Austrailian L1A1 kit from Sarges surplus and I'm torn.

Posted this before but got no answers so ill try again.

I finished a STEN MkII Semi-Auto closed bolt only receiver kit from Ind. Ordnance, cut out all holes and have put the magwell on the tube.

Since I have no experience welding and headspacing, would I be able to legally have a gunsmith finish the rest? Again receiver is finished it just needs to have parts welded.

I have no experience with gunsmithing but I did find a Springfield trapdoor from 1873 at my local pawn shop. The firing pin is frozen but the guy was willing to sell it to me for $300. Apart from the firing pin the rifle itself looked to be in fair condition.
How difficult would it to be to repair it with no experience?

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Are STEN mkII's a good first 'real' build?

>>35004275
I mean, if you can weld

>>35001853
of what?

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>>34999630

>Usually a parts kit runs $100-120 but you can get them for $80 all the time on sale.


>This will include your entire trigger assembly, cut receiver pieces, stock, top cover, barrel nut and a magazine.


>A 16" barrel will run you $100 from McKay Enterprises.
The receiver flats are super cheap at around $40 a pop. But it will require welding on your trunion, a semi-auto bolt bar and actually bending it into proper position. Don't want to hassle, worry or buy all the tools? I don't blame you. Look around online for a Mckay Enterprises pre-welded receiver. These will typically run about $200-250 online.


Finally...the costly part. As with all former submachine guns, the semi auto bolt & firing pin assembly are always fucking expensive. McKay's usually run for $200-250; just search around online.
I didn't want to be fucked with all of that, lol. So I simply searched Gunbroker for parts kits for several months. One day I happened to find a guy selling a parts kit, fully welded receiver and bolt/firing pin assembly (basically everything but the barrel) + 8 mags for a whopping $450. I bought that shit ASAP after confirming he was a legitimate seller. The only things I bought outside of that were the 16 inch barrel, the fake can and the South African sling. Oh! And a can of Brownell's Allumahyde II.
The build is EXTREMELY easy. After putting it all together once, I could do it with my eyes closed, the Uzi is an extremely simple firearm and is a piece of cake to clean. The build will require no welding so long as you:

>Buy a prewelded receiver
>When you purchase your parts kit, buy a SA trigger group which are usually from German Uzi's
I wanted the actual "Safe", "Goy" and "OY VEY!" Hebrew texts on my Uzi so I bought a full auto lower and simply welded the blocking bar in myself which is approved by ATF standards. Even though the gun can ONLY fire in SA mode due to the SA bolt and SA receiver; you can't actually put it on "FA" per the ATF.

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>>35006817

Wtf, my entire post's format is messed up. Oh well.
Anyways. I chose a McKay Ent. receiver because after it is 100% complete, it is considered to be 12 parts for your 922(r) compliance. Throw in the bolt/firing pin and and American made SA sear and you're more than good for compliance.
I also chose this build over a Sten because it only costs a little bit more for a far higher quality firearm and the assembly is WAY easier. I would say it's the exact same as an AR-15 and only MARGINALLY harder if you want your gun to look "Full Auto" and tack weld in a "blocking bar" to keep the selector switch from actually hitting FA.

>Pic related is where you will tac weld in a small bar.

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>>35006870

>>34999293

Are they difficult to make from an 80% receiver?

Do they cycle all types of 9mm?