If lightweight snubnoses are so difficult to shoot, why

>>34945691
Nothing good is ever easy.

>>34945691
Because when the time comes and you are face to face with a life threatening person or thing then you gotta make sure your gun works flawlessy. A revolver has little chance to fail you and also you can carry some powerful caftridges in one and still have it be concealed well. You can shoot one of these hammerless revolvers through your jacket pocket if you wanted and it would work fine.

They're not

Because they're really good for being used like they were designed. Virtually snag free, super light and easy to carry, great for firing from inside of a confined space like a pocket or purse and still function.

I can hit paper plates reliably ~3/5 times from 70m with my 442. The trigger is a lot to have squeeze on.

>>34945691
because most people why buy guns dont shoot em.
if they do shoot em its only a few boxes.

>>34945691
Its benefits outweigh its flaws.

>>34945691
>super concealable ultra reliable firearm
>Never intended to be used at ranges much greater than 7 yards
>Somehow popular when most CCW engagements are within 7 yards.
Hmm I wonder

>>34945691
They're plenty easy to shoot if you're not a fucking pussy. My only regret about my .357 sp101 snub is that it isn't more powerful.

>>34945691
Most if not all snubs are .38.

>>34945890
Yes, and?

>>34945756
>revolvers are better for CC
nice meme

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>>34945890
Charter, S&W, and EAA makes some .9mm, 357, .44, and .45ACP snubbies. But for the velocity and powder burn, .38 and .44 are the best bang you can get.

Because you use them to shoot people in the guts at 8 feet, not make a 1 hole group with. Snubnose weapons are very crude but simple to operate.

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if netbooks were good, why did they sell so well?

>netbooks fucking sucked cock, in case you didn't know

Because you're going to spend a lot of time carrying it, and probably never shoot it.

>>34945940
If you practice they are effective at a lot further than 8 feet. I can hit my 10" gong at 50 feet with my sp101.

A SP101 isn't really all that comparable to an Airweight (or lighter) J-Frame. The thing's the size and weight of a K-Frame, which makes for an easy shooter.

>>34945926
Not that guy, and I don't think they're better, but they're probably as good.

>>34946007
they were good at what they were intended for imo. at least that was my experience with them

Why aluminum frames though, and not something like polymer???

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>>34946007
Netbooks were fucking awesome. I was using a dell inspiron mini with micro xp until the charging port shat out. This $200 Chromebook I'm using now is pretty good in a lot of different regards as kind of a spiritual successor, but sometimes an x86 intel chip just has its own merits.

I fucking hate phones and tablets, and doubly so because they killed the UMPC movement dead.

>>34946817
>6 shots

>>34946041
Good luck proving it was a good shoot from 50 feet, you tryhard faggot.
>reasonable fear of death or injury
From an "assailant" who's almost a block away?
>reluctant participant
...From 50 feet away?
>no means of retreat
....From 50 feet away?
>no lesser force?
Such as a brisk walk in the other direction?

>>34948196
>implying 6 shots isnt enough to kill anything that moves
Try getting up after a .357 hits you anywhere.

>>34945691

vast majority of carriers don't fall into encounters
even then encounters are in spitting distance
and typically end within the j frame's 5 shot capacity

It's the perfect "I want a gun but am too lazy to carry anything" gun

>>34945926
I didnt say theyre better than auto-loader, I was giving reasons why they would be popular. Theyre reliable and they wont get snagged on shit.

>>34945691
Because they don't really need to shoot "well" for their intended purpose. They're not range guns.

>>34948621
>le stoppan powah

>>34945691
Easy to carry, and there isn't much reason to have more than 5 shots unless your in a ghetto.

>>34945937
typical .38+p will get something like 800 fps out of snubbie while typical .357 will do 1200-1300.

The ".38 out of snub is just as good as .357" meme is simply speaking false. Of course .357 gains A LOT with barrel length and the shorter it is the smaller the gap between it and .38 but it's still much more powerful cartridge overall.

Now whether I would want to fire it out of snubnose is another question.

>>34945691

They aren't, retard.

No case no trace

>>34946007
still using a netbook, they rock.

>>34949166
>being a criminal

>>34948698

>le I'm gonna get into a firefights with 10, AK47 wielding niggers

>>34945691
Because normies are fucking retarded and think that big guns are hard to shoot, therefore small guns are easier to shoot. They assume all handguns are easy (thanks vidya for making handguns starter weapons), so a SMALL handgun must be extra super easy.

In reality, it's a very tough gun to shoot well.

>>34945691
Because people are stupid

>>34945691
>all these memes
They're popular with 1gunz women who don't actually shoot but want something more potent than pepper spray.

>>34945691

>difficult to shoot

define shoot. groups at 20m? yeah difficult. the mugger right on top of you? good shit.

>>34945926
t. assblasted glock-homo

>>34948326
>hurr, the gun can ONLY be used for self-defense
Maybe he wants to do some target shooting with an inherently less accurate gun, faggot. Not everyone wants their $2000, custom built 1911 to hold their hand for them.

What are some cheap enclosed hammer revolvers?
Bonus for hefty caliber

>>34945691
Because Shit-tier shopfags push them. My friend (who should fucking know better) was convinced to buy a .38spc snubby as her CC weapon. SHe can FINALLY hit the broad side of a barn at 5 yeards with it, but it's DAO so her follow up shots are even further off target than her initial shot. The recoil is so great that she cannot stop herself from flinching and she tends to grip the weaopon too tighly out of anxiety, throwing her aim off.

I've been trying to get her to trade it in on an SR9 (DESPISE 9mm for CC/SD) or a Bersa Thunder if only so that she can learn better shooting habits and learn to put rounds on target without pissng herself in fear of the recoil.

>>34950679
>my friend is bad at shooting
>therefore it is the gun
Snubnoses are great cc guns

I wouldn't say it's difficult to shoot, but there is a steeper learning curve. Once I put some time in at the range with my 442 I really started to love it. I've had it for about 4 or 5 years now and it's still my favorite carry gun.

>>34948196
What sort of shitty shot are you that you need more than 6 rounds to put an asshole attacking you down?

>>34948698
>There isn't a dramatic difference in first shot fatalities between 9mm and .357

The 'stopping power' meme is between .45 and 9mm, nothing else.

>>34950714
When the asshole has a friend

>>34948698
>le stoppan powah
well, my uncle was shot center mass with a .357 and he pretty much dropped like a fucking rock from one round.

The bullet entered his back about 4 inches right of the spine between the 3rd & 4th ribs, punctured his lung then fragmented and the fragments shattered the 3rd rib with part of the bullet exiting there and the rest of it riccocheting around in his torso resulting in a lascerated liver and small intestine and a fragment passing within 1 cm of his heart before lodging next to his spine.

So yeah, a .357 mag JHP out of a snubby IS a viable SD round.

>>34950696
If it's too much gun for your ability, then yeah, it's the gun. What sort of asshole advises frst-time shooters to start witha .50 AE or a .454 Casul?

Did I NOT just describe the bad shooting habits she engaged in?
Did I NOT just describe that her ability had increased already?

>2017
>being unable or unwilling to fucking read
>Being THIS autistic

GTFO faggot

>>34950727
Carry two, wala

>>34950727
What are you, a cop? If you need more than 3 rounds to put a critter down, you need to spend more time at the range kid.

>mugged by 3 armed people
>die because revolver
thanks /k/

>>34950839
Three armed people rob stores and banks. If they can afford three guns, they're after bigger game than your $13 and a maxed out credit card

>>34950661
Pls respond
I'd like to avoid nanny safeties and hilary hole too

>>34950822
You fuck off. Revolvers are fine to start on. People did it for years

>>34950867
Small air weight snub nosed revolvers aren't the best gun to start out with. There's a reason people often start out with .22 target pistols or trainers

642s in particular are great because they're simple to use and easy to carry.

Hard to shoot, sure. I'd rather deal with that and carry basically everywhere all the time than have an easier gun to shoot that I didn't always have on me.

>>34950893
Some people don't have that luxury

>>34950867
Never said that revolvers aren;t fine to stat on. I started on one myself. But it was a Ruger single-six chambered in .22 LR revolver, not a fucking snub-nosed .38 special.

I'm a BIG fan of wheelguns, but even I understand that you don't have new shooters and small/physically weak people start shooting with large caliber/lightweight weapons.

>>34950932
And those people are the ones who develop terrible shooting habbits that increase the ratio of rounds fired to rounds hit for SD engagements.

>>34945808
This. Buy it, leave it somewhere you think you'll need it, and proceed to never touch it again

>>34951125
wouldn't a medium-sized revolver be better in that case

>>34950987
No they aren't
T. Me

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>>34947256
>killed the UMPC movement dead
They're coming back. Thanks shenzhen.

>>34945890
buy a .357, you can load .38s in it as well, essentially it's a two-in-one buy

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They're ideal for assassinations.

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>>34950847

> three armed people

I dont think there are that many three armed people so you're probably good, at least statistically

>>34952485
no they're not, they can't be suppressed

>>34949166
Which doesn't matter without the gun

perfect for the ankle holster when LARPing as a 70's cop

>>34948995
The follow up shots in a small light-framed snub nosed .357 would be more difficult to accomplish accurately when compared to .38 spl or .44 spl. Also, at night, the muzzle flash from the .357 is a lot brighter and disorienting than a standard .38, or even a +P. All in all, in terms of conventions, a .38spl isn't as bad as people put it to be. If we were talking about compact size (3-4" barrels) revolvers, the .357 is king.

>>34945691
Because they're not target guns, they're guns to keep a mother fucker off you and/or execute.

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>>34952958
fucking chingchongs trying to make Goro

Guess its true their genetic engineering is better than the US

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>>34954902

>he fell for the hollywood assassin suppressor meme

>>34949021
Yes. They. Are. Even Nutnfancy thinks so.

>>34956691
>watches nutnfancy
jesus christ

>>34948326
I can hit at 50feet with a .38 snubby.
Doubt that I would need to but I have fun target shooting with a wide variety of guns.

>>34956773
Do you use a DAO snub or one with an exposed hammer?

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>>34957971
not that anon but, currently carrying a 637 and greatly enjoying it.. I shoot a lot of handgun

>>34945919
Not an argument.

>>34950867
People also started off driving ford model T's for years. Doesn't make it a better car than a camry.

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>>34950679
>9mm is inadequate for self defense

T. Muh Stoppin Powuh

>>34958073
What holster? I'm looking for a new holster for my 442. Also, I still sometimes wish that I got a 437 fore a e s t h e t i c s.

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>>34946874

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>>34960101
Right now just an inexpensive "sticky holster" which I modified by adding a 1/2inch Bravo Concealment belt clip to.

1. Protects the trigger
2. Retails the gun
3. Very Comfy
4. Cheap as hell

>>34960085
9mm is fine if you're shooting a guy wearing 20 kilos of battle rattle. if you're trying to put down some ashole wearing nothing more than a t-shirt it tends to pass right through him without disabling his punk ass. I want something that is more likely to stay in him (thus transfering ALL of it's energy to the target) or makes a fuck-off HUEG wound track as it passes through an unarmored body.

Seriously, the only round used in any sort of regularity in a gunfight that is LESS lethal is the .25 ACP. Even .22 gets more kills.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

>>34950661
>>34950862
You could always go to a gunsmith and have the hammer spur removed

>>34960688
not that anon but which caliber do you favor?

>>34945926
A revolver is better than nothing. Grow up.

>>34950862
S&W 642 is now made without hillary hole. the "pro series" can be had too, which features a stainless steel barrel and cyclinder

>>34948621
I love the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet in to a well greased chamber.

>>34960749
>bullet
>grease
this better be a meme

>>34960688
get hollow point ammo.

>>34960725
Damn near anything orther than 9mm. I'm a big fan of both .357s, both .45s and .44 mag. And 10mm is of course, tits.my true love though is wildact rounds just because I'm a contrary sonuvabitch; .460 Rowland is just about perfect IMO.

>>34960848
Even with HP rounds, the 9mm is more likely to fail to expand than a larger, slower moving round.

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>>34960688
>Over a 10-year period, I kept track of stopping power results from every shooting I could find

stats like this miss a lot of context. why do 9mm, .40 and .45 require more hits to 'incapacitate' than all the others? maybe there's something skewing the numbers (law enforcement never shoots just once). what about .22, why is it so 'effective'? could it be that criminals with .22 keltecs don't need to do much to make law abiding citizens give up and get to shoot their targets point blank? either way, there's a big leap from whatever these stats represent, and actual self defense situations.

>>34950791
9mm is more powerful out of a 2 inch barrel than a 357. Theres too much wasted powder for a snubby 357 to even be worth anything

>>34961011
JESUS CHRIST stop spreading this bullshit man, stop repeating things you hear on the internet. you are cancer

>>34961011
Why would I bother using a 2 inch barrel? Do I need to carry in a stylish european fannypack? Do I need to carry in a lady's clutch? Anything worth carrying has at least a 4" barrel.

>>34961280
nigga you gunshop basic ass faggot talking shit you're no fucking marksman fruity ass trick ass weak finger ass teacupping ass cargo shorts ass faggot

>>34960969
LEOs also averages twice as many shots per target as civilians. If anon average can put a mugger down with one or two shots on target, why can't LEOs do the same? Especially wnen they supposedly use the "most optimal round" for that sort of work?

Sure cops are terrible shots, but part of why their doctrine involves "magdump" as a tactic is because they use weapons that are actually sub-par for shooting people not wearing LBE, tac-vests and/or light armor.

>>34960941
Source? JHP expansion is usually velocity dependent...

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>>34961321
It's also diameter dependant and construction dependant. Other factors include impact location (did you hit bone or just soft tissue) and protective coverings on target (Tshirt, denim, leather, armor, etc...)

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>>34961321
>>34961480
>pic related, Leftmost is Russian 9mm ball for comparison, all others JHP of one sort or another that failed to expand properly

>>34961503
forgot link
https://americanhandgunner.com/deadly-nine-or-ninesense/

Is a 4 inch barrel considered snub-nosed?

>>34961892
~4 is the beginning of what could be considered full size. ~3 is medium. ~2 is snub.

>>34961892
I'd say that's the in between length of a snubby and a full length. If you've got a large body frame you may be able to cc it but it's going to be uncomfortable. 3 and less is the usual snub length.

Howdy wheelfags, which model smiths are likely to be police trade-ins? Looking for a reasonably priced starter

>>34962059
>which model smiths are likely to be police trade-ins

Model 10s

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>>34948326
Wow, it's been a while since I've seen such concentrated autistic rage.

>>34960969
>ONLY striker-fired
Why does anyone even want a striker-fired gun? Can someone give me a non-meme answer?

>>34950867
>>34950893
>>34960022
>want to get a snubnose as first, and possibly only gun
>literally nobody recommends it
>want it anyway for various reasons
I'll just assume /k/ has something against revolvers, but anyways, how do I learn good shooting habits? Father is staunchly anti-gun so there's no hope there

Also, Smith & Wesson 637 or Ruger SP101? This would be for [spoiler]home defense[/spoiler]

>>34963526
They're the easiest to use. Light trigger pull and double action.

>>34963526
Primarily because they're double-action only, trigger pull is always the same

>>34963759
If the gun is for home defense it doesn't need to be particularly light, does it?
Snub nose double action only revolvers are light (hence more perceived recoil), have a lot of muzzle blast, and a very heavy trigger pull.
A lot of recoil and a heavy trigger pull are a bad combination for an inexperienced shooter. Experienced well trained shooters can certainly shoot them well but it's not a good choice for a first timer

>>34963759
Neither. S&W 36 or colt detective special.

>>34964802
Love both of those, but too expensive for me

>>34964593
Thanks for the insight. My reasons are:
>can hide it very easily; live with parents who hate guns
>can keep revolver loaded
>is small so is less intimidating if discover
>shotgun can't be hidden
>cross-dominant so I'd prefer a handgun
>muh aesthetics

>>34963526
in the case of police, who want some amount of standardization of "manual of arms", it's easier to go striker only. going hammer only, would introduce variation in decocker and safety mechanisms as well as the ability to fire single action. strikers on the other hand are pretty much the same, with optional safeties also pretty much the same.

a big downside though is the light trigger. when your adrenaline kicks in and you don't want to be sued, you really don't want a light trigger. this is why NYPD mods their glocks with heavy triggers.

>>34965329
>why NYPD mods their glocks
well thats not perfection now is it
perfection needs no modifications

>>34965329
The NYPD makes it way too heavy though.
>>34964923
>>can hide it very easily; live with parents who hate guns
>>is small so is less intimidating if discover
You can get a heavier gun that is still small to decrease perceived recoil. You could get a DA/SA revolver or a small automatic with a lighter trigger.
>>can keep revolver loaded
You can keep an automatic loaded too.

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>>34964923
>>can hide it very easily; live with parents who hate guns
>>can keep it loaded
this is true of any hand gun. i very much hope you plan to use a good holster in your hiding spot.
>shotgun can't be hidden
you can still hide a hand cannon like the SW governor. pic related :)

>>34965453
My god, don't suggest that to a new shooter

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>>34964923
>>34965484
ok, ok.
new shooter anon, don't even think about .410 shells out of revolvers :)

>>34945691
because women and the elderly sometimes have trouble pulling the slide on a semi-auto pistol

>>34965641
If they have trouble pulling the slide on a semi auto pistol they won't have any chance of pulling the trigger on a double action only snubnose and actually landing a shot on target.

>>34965428
The revolver has no compressed springs, the auto does. To my knowledge there is no conclusive evidence showing that these springs do or don't weaken over time as a result of this. It is true that you can leave a revolver loaded and tucked away for a very long time and still have it function, where an unlubed dusty Glock might fail you.

>>34965329
The cops don't appreciate the 12lb trigger, as it hurts their accuracy. The person whose idea it was to implement them is someone who doesn't have to use them.

>>34945691
Easy to CC I assume. Also revolver design is reliable though antiquated. In a self defense situation getting off the first shot reliably seems more important than having 13 rounds in the mag. But I dunno. Never been in a gunfight so I couldn't tell you

>>34945691
Small, cheap, iconic.

At the end of the day they really do the whole "tuck it in a pocket/drawer and forget about it indefinitely" thing better than any other gun.

Combine that with them being pig stupid easy to use and it makes a lot of sense.

>>34966780
What makes a revolver easier to use than an auto

>>34967764
Don't have to worry about
>limp wristing
>remembering to chamber a round
>decocked hammer/trigger
>slide bite
>safety
>gun going out of battery
>testing ammo to ensure it cycles correctly/breaking in your gun

You just buy the gun and a box of ammo and load up til you need it without having to worry about working it aside from pulling the trigger.

>>34950791
what did your uncle do to get shot? Was it a mugging?

>>34956691
You know I watched a Nutin Fancy video about magpul mossberg furniture and the entire video was just him talking about the shotgun and not once mentioned the install how to install and failed even to talk about how the stock and forend feels or about the sling and light mounting options...it was just video of him running around shooting and talking about pump shotguns in general


His adding "Magpul" to the title was basically click bait. Only one of the three dhotguns on the table had magpul furniture.

>>34968592
That and shooting flame from a .38 or .357 snubbie is fun.

I like revolvers, but I don't like snubs.

>If lightweight snubnoses are so difficult to shoot

This is a faulty premise that is propagated by people who either suck at handgun shooting or have never actually used a snubnose revolver for any length of time. Then again, this is /k/, where, as those meetup webms show, even the recoil of calibers like 9mm or .45 ACP is too much for your typical plebian here.

>>34970583
are you really trying to imply that lightweight snubnose revolvers are not difficult to shoot? they are amongst the most difficult guns to shoot, these are guns that weigh very little and have trigger pulls that are nearly 10x as heavy as the gun weight. the sight radius is also extremely small which does not leave much margin of error.

I would rather shoot 357 through a K frame or L frame than 38 special +p through a Ruger LCR

>>34968592
>need to make sure thumbs aren't next to the cylinder gap which is actually an active effort if you normally shoot thumbs forward
>reloading revolvers is not nearly as easy as magazine fed guns
>carrying speedloaders or moonclips is awkward due to the diameter
>trigger pull is shit
>recoil is worse than equivalent semi auto
>ammo cost is greater with less selection of factory modern hollow points
>much more complex action than semi autos
>bullets can jump crimp
>cylinder can seize due to fouling if not cleaned every few hundred rounds
>most revolvers have crappy fixed sights

>>34948326
>Good luck proving it was a good shoot from 50 feet, you tryhard faggot.
>>reasonable fear of death or injury
>From an "assailant" who's almost a block away?
>>reluctant participant
>...From 50 feet away?
>>no means of retreat
>....From 50 feet away?
>>no lesser force?
>Such as a brisk walk in the other direction?

That's a logical fallacy. Just because you can't imagine such a situation doesn't mean that it could never exist.

>>34970624
Lightweight snubnose revolvers are no more difficult to shoot well than any other kind of pistol. The same skills that are necessary to shoot something like a 92FS, 1911, or Glock 17 well are exactly the same skills that are necessary to shoot a DAO snubnose revolver well.

If someone is incapable of shooting a DAO snubnose revolver well--whether it is because he is jerking the trigger, is not keeping his eyes on the front sight, is not applying the right hold on the gun, is flinching, has bad shooting form, etc, that same shooter is not going to magically become a competent pistolero with a different gun. No matter what gun he uses, he's still going to have a bunch of low left hits with flyers all over his target at 10 yards until his fundamentals are solid.

Also, post your lightweight snubnose revolver with timestamp. If you do not have one, then post a handgun that you do own with timestamp.

>>34970683
>trigger pull is shit

Thank you for confirming that you've never handled a revolver in your life. Even a bog-standard $295 police surplus Model 10 is going to have a better trigger than any modern service pistol.

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>>34970624
C'mon man, sure they have a steeper learning curve, but they aren't 'difficult guns to shoot' well. Work on some fundamentals and spend some time with it at the range. Proper fundamentals transfer over to any gun. If you actually shoot a Glock well, then you'll shoot a DAO snub nose revolver well.

>>34970776
Double action only trigger pull is shit

>>34970803
>>34970776
>>34970716
>Lightweight snubnose revolvers are no more difficult to shoot well than any other kind of pistol
Please don't post stupid comments like this.

>>34970809
I would rather have a long but perfectly smooth trigger pull with no takeup, a clean break, and a strong, positive reset than a short trigger pull that is gritty, creeps when I expect it to break, and has a mushy reset. But Glock Perfection (tm) amirite?

>>34970776
>long 12 lb trigger pull
>not shit

and lmao if you use revolvers in SA

>>34970837
Not an argument

>>34970854
My 442 has a buttery smooth pull and a clean break.