Did the Warsaw Pact ever have a chance at beating NATO and conquering

Up until about 1978, absolutely.

>>34936033
No.

>>34936113

>Up until 1978

They could have tried something and gotten nuked.

>>34936252
>believing the nuke myth

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>>34936113
This. There were some periods before were there was some conventional parity but during the 70's the American military kinda went to shit due to all the fallout from Vietnam. Then the 80's happened and we started pouring a shitton of money into defense spending, meanwhile the PACT countries began to decay. Of course if war had broken out nukes probably would've been launched almost immediately.

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Also, Cold War thread?

>>34936347
What's the best "era" of the Cold War? I'm partial to the late era stuff but that's just because 80s aesthetic is gold.

>>34937847
It's still 80's for me. Just seems that shit seemed to be cool as fuck for both sides during that time.

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>>34937872
Eh fuckit, will bump a bit before bed.

>>34936033

Probably not. I doubt the Reds would have had the morale for an effective offensive war.

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>>34938398

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>>34938416

>>34938408
Maybe in the PACT countries (with the exception of the GDR), I was always under the assumption that until the end the Soviet military still had their shit together.

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>>34938427

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>>34938434

>>34936113
>1950-1969
NATO Rekt WP.
>1970-1979
Warsaw.
>1980-1990
NATO rapes WP.

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>>34938467
>That first phase
You sure about that? We had some advantages but as the 60's rolled on the PACT began to achieve some serious parity, plus their morale would've been high.
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>>34938496

>>34938489
The US has a MASSIVE nuclear weapon stockpile and overwhelming technological advantage, see the Israeli army's K/D ratio.

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>>34938502

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>>34937847
I dig the atomic '50s and early '60s

a wondrous time in aviation

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>>34938506
The Israelis were fighting Arab nations who didn't coordinate shit with each other. While we had some cool shit coming out in that time period that was indeed more advanced, I find it better to never underestimate your enemy. Especially in the USSR's case.
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>>34938518

>>34936033
What >>34936113 said
>>34936252 Then we would all be nuked
>>34936267 Fuck off

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>>34938571
The Krauts fielded Uzis?

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>>34938619
Yep.

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>>34938595

I think what I like most is the lack of chest rigz

>>34938506
>nuking your own territory to achieve "victory"

Belka please stop.

>>34938509

looks great,what went so wrong?

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>>34939425

>>34936033
Nukes ensured that this conflict could never happen, any full scale conflict meant everyone dead and no winner. So any discussion here is purely theoretical and is mostly intellectual masturbation.

That say, soviet land forces in Europe were pretty impressive - mostly armor forces - So I believe that they would have had a fairly good shot at pushing NATO back and reaching the Atlantic.
This would only be a battle though, and wars are not won with battles only. They are won with economical power and by whom is able to churn out the most weapons in the shortest timespan. For that reason, PACT would not have stood a chance against NATO after 1980.

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>>34938665
Thanksfor this.

>>34939180
That was the plan. Which is why shit never kicked off.

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Thread ain't dead yet.

We have this thread every fucking week and the answer is always the same.
No.

Only the Russian SFSR itself ever had any ability to stand against western powers and on its own would have been wrecked by sheer numerical mismatch. The miscellaneous Warsaw Pact satellite states had no coherence in their armies at all and were barely able to conduct drills let alone live maneuvers. Other of all of them only the Poles and Czechs had any real military competence and coherence and would have been racing each other to be the first one to turn on Moscow.

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>>34942459
What about the GDR? I was under the impression that they ran a tight ship.
>>34942461

>>34938518
The Soviets took control of the Egyptian air arm, got thoroughly destroyed in air combat with their own pilots, and quietly fucked off.

>>34938427
I thought the GDR had a really effective military relative to most of the pact, along with a special relationship with the USSR military, as they'd get the latest military innovations and upgrades before anyone else?

>>34942468
You're talking about Germany. In a shooting war, they would have gone far enough to reach NATO bases in West Germany, parked their vehicles, and turned them over for evaluation. They had nothing to gain from a Soviet victory and everything to gain from reuniting with the west, and were glad to do so when it eventually happened. There were only two differences between them and Poland. One, how close they were to Russia, and two, how much they wanted to get revenge on Russia.

Have you seen the Polish Minister of Defense? His face is locked perpetually in an expression that says "give me one fucking excuse."

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>>34942476
That was in the early 60's though. I'm not trying to be a debbie downer here, I'm just trying to take a realistic approach to this. The Soviets had much better planes by the time the 80's rolled around.
>>34942505
Something like that. Not the absolute newest stuff (their T-72s were all early or export models), but they had a very disciplined military and a strong security apparatus. They and the USSR would probably have fought the hardest.
>>34942468

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>>34942534
I thought the GDR's ruling party was one of the more hardcore parties of the PACT, surely they would've supported some grand campaign against the "imperialists"? Or was it more like North Korea where the main goal is reunification and nothing more? Also
>Glad to do so
I thought a lot of Ossies weren't too happy with this in retrospect?
>>34942536

>>34942534
>Have you seen the Polish Minister of Defense? His face is locked perpetually in an expression that says "give me one fucking excuse."

pics

>>34938623
OG Læffy

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>the harrier was built because NATO needed a plane that could be operated after all their airfields were destroyed
pretty badass

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>>34942631
Always wondered what the Norwegian strategy was if the Cold War went hot. Were the Soviets going to do a land or sea attack? I always thought they were somewhat insulated since Sweden and Finland were between them and the Soviets.

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>>34942644

>>34942459
>We have this thread every fucking week and the answer is always the same.
You misunderstood the purpose of this thread.
It's all about dumping cool military pictures.

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>>34938665
Wait a sec.. i know that emblem

lol danish Homeguard

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>>34942665
Interesting, just snagged the pic somewhere and didn't notice. You wouldn't by any chance know where to find more Cold War Denmark pics would you?
>>34942664

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Switching back to Ossies for a bit.

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>>34942601

>>34938619
Mainly for tank crews

>>34942673
There's forsvarsgalleriet.dk when it works. 45000 pics, so probably a whole bunch from the cold war. Right now im just getting some java error though.

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>>34942788
I have it up, but it appears to be running very slowly.
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>>34942809
In the meantime: Danish conscripts in 1955 looking for radioactive materials in Greenland

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>>34942855
They don't seem to be very adequately protected against radiation.
>>34942856

I'm sad anons. Not a single one of you realizes that socialism HAS conquered western Europe without a shot being fired.

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>>34942601

Anyone got some Romanian soldiers pics? They look pretty aesthetic

>>34942468
that expression

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>>34942864
It's a private photo i found somewhere online with that description. People probably cared a lot less about the dangers of radioactivity back then.. at least while the war was still cold.

>>34942909
>when you and the lads finally get the real guns

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>>34942901

>>34942741
>>34942900

He looks like a dude who knows black magic and doesn't give a fuck about using it on absolutely anybody

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>>34942741
>>34942900
he looks like a hungover meth addict

or a frustrated bond villain

>>34936310

HEY BUDDY WHERE'S YOUR BFA

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Taking a break.

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Lets not forget the Yugos

>>34937847
I like the 80's. You get new truly cutting edge technologies, and with older style uniforms.
My least favorite is probably early cold war. In my mind going against T-54s in M26s, M46 and M47's sounds like a fool's gambit.

>>34942459
>only the Poles and Czechs had any real military competence and coherence and would have been racing each other to be the first one to turn on Moscow.
Not to mention certainly Hungary and most likely Romania doing the same thing, but less competently

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>>34944709
Good ol' Yugo kitbashing

>>34942534

That's.... unrealistic at best. Depends on the era, depends on the man.

Met several DDR vets that were adamant that they would have "wrecked" the Western Germans, as they were proper soldiers in a militarized society. Drinking the Kool-Aid, maybe, but who knows.

>>34944871
It's true, the east Germans were the only non-russian troops the soviets trusted

>>34936033

Yes, all throughout the 70s and 80s.

>>34943018
hearty lol

>>34942536
How is this the case? I would have thought East Germans would join their West German family as soon as they got the chance or vice versa and attempt a position of neutrality instead of killing each other. I don't know I just find it strange the country that is forcibly split apart would have strong loyalties to either side, especially more than other slav nations under soviet control.

>>34942640
V/STOL capabilities are also pretty neat on ships

But fuck harriers
Hated fucking fixing them

I need this thread to survive another 6 hours so I can save every image when I get home.

>>34936033
hey its roger posting from my asus (model name unknown) featuring Intel Inside Quadcore i7 multiple core processing and sonic master stero speakers

first of all this is a great question and very insightful and i am happy because i havent seen smoething so careful and specific on here in a long time. careful and specific is practically my middle name, at least according to your mom, based on how i direct her to perform rim jobs.

so anyway military technology is hard to pin down but let's look at what you've got

>nucular missiles

the reason this was an edge for the soviets before 1980 was because they had less of them which but told us they had more, so we were scared and just destoryed them, because gerald ford can't sit down on a handciapped toilet without literally demolishing the building its in

after 1980 they actually had more which caused gorbochov's head to get this really weird scab and the soviety union immediately colapsed. rasputin may have been involved

>military

the US only had a paltry 3.5 million in the 60s and early 70's while the soviets had 5 million men and because the soviets are known for taking numbers advantages and defeating finland and japan they would have surely won this

>navy

the US was fooled into building 11 carriers in the 60s while the soviets were smartly developing one carrier that could smoke so much it fell off radar/looked like an armada, plus they figured out how to make torpedos with peroxide that go so fast they blow up immediately . advantage soviets

>air power

honestly the us couldnt even build a plan with counter-contra-rotating rotators, its not even worth talking about. i don't know this but im pretty sure the f4 lost every battle it ever fought due to not having a gun

>so as you can see

clearly soviets were better before 1980 because they succered the US into having better technology and more of it which forced them to have "brain drain" caused by "group think," and the vietnam war was lost

>>34949951
Got any pics from your time?

>>34950096
Just check the archives later.

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>>34951824
fulda!

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>>34942868
And capitalism conquered the USSR

>>34936033
>Did the Warsaw Pact ever have a chance at beating NATO and conquering Western Europe?
To the time when USA got their shit together, Gorbachev came in and dropped out of arms race.

>>34951891
That's a WW2 pic of the Slovakian military.

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>>34942741
>>34942900
>Rasputin in IRL

>>34936033
>>/pol/

>>34936033
>implying they arent in leauge with US x-tians who want to establish a NWO and enslave humanity under one slave master

>>34938531
literal autism. even slav shits never beleived in mass retaliation or mass strikes. only retarded american jews

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>>34949910
The Ossies were raised to believe that they were the "real" Germany and that one day they would reunite with the west under the banner of Socialism. They saw themselves as the successor of Prussia and saw the western side as puppets and the inheritors of Nazi Germany.
>>34953977
What in the everloving fuck does this have to do with that fucking board?
>>34944709

>>34938898
That file name kek

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>>34955699

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Have some Soviet Naval Aviation

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>>34954757
No u you stupid fuck. It depends on what you mean by mass retaliation. If you mean every square inch nuked then no of course not. But priority target retaliation was the staple of MAD and if you actually believe it wasn't you should get off /pol/. It was the entire reason why the Able Archer 83 incident occured.
But hey, don't let history and facts hold you back from your retarded world views.

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>>34958253

Last one. I'd post more, but I don't want to bore you guys with pictures of just the Yak-38 more than I probably already have, haha

>>34958349
Nah post more Yaks they are nice to look at. How did they perform? Are there any combat records at all?

Okay fuckheads, here's how it goes: WP crash the Fulda Gap, NATO forces open up with fucking everything in their arsenals, rendering most of central Europe a Fallout-grade wasteland with long-term radiological and chemical contamination. Things then proceed into a brutal, ugly defensive war with insurgent groups (see Operation Gladio) harassing the WP forces in captured territories, primarily focused on disrupting their big advantage in Europe: logistics. Expect everything from shootouts to use of nuclear demolition munitions. Within several days to weeks, Uncle Sam's big green dick arrives in the form of REFORGER, landing a fresh wave of US forces with armour and tactical/theatre nuclear support, who then start pushing back to at least retake Germany, leaving the WP with a couple options: go full strategic nuclear exchange, fall back to their borders and hope NATO doesn't pursue, or employ scorched earth tactics across Europe. None of those options result in any gain for the Pact, hence why this war never happened.

>>34951899

The Soviets spread a poison into western society that continues to do its damage long after the USSR's collapse.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=218

>>34958074
soviet invasion plans never included more then a 7 mergaton response and that was defunct as a response by 79. The US MAD response was an all is lost call. Read a book idiot. middleschool level history has not served you well

If it wasn't for the United States Warsaw would have steamrolled Japan, Europe, and Southeast Asia in a few days in 1946.

>>34938467
>1950-1969
IIRC all NATO plans called for slash and burn with nukes as they retreated further into western europe and the Red army arguably could've been able to roll with that.

>>34938619
Standard Weapon for tank Crews, my Uncle was in a Marder Batallion. He said if you entered the Tank with an Uzi and a mag attached you got beaten up by the rest of the Crew because the Uzi was unreliable and even fired with safety on

>>34959733
>beating up a guy with a loaded uzi in a tiny tank compartment
hmmm

>>34942644
The border between Norway as USSR up north was one of the most active NATO zones, creating a choke point, they'd probably be forced to do a sea based attack with the airliner masquerade.

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>>34958409
The Yak-38 did see some limited combat (twelve sorties as far as I know) in the Soviet-Afghan War during Operation Rhombus in April-May 1980, for the purpose of seeing how it performed in battlefield conditions. The then-experimental Su-25 was also being tested during this same operation. The Yak-38 did have some flaws; its engines didn't perform well in high temperatures, the heat from the liftjets quickly damaged takeoff surfaces during VTOL, dust kicked up by the liftjets tended to clog intakes, and it couldn't carry much of a payload for an attacker; only about 1300 kg.

An improved variant, the Yak-38M, was introduced in June of 1985. It featured a new Tumansky R28V-300 turbojet engine replacing the original's R27V-300, stronger liftjets (two Rybinsk RD-38 turbojets replacing the two RD36-35FV turbojets in the original). Both could each produce about 10% more thrust than their predecessors. Other improvements were widened air inlets, strengthened landing gear with a steerable nosewheel, and reinforced underwing pylons (four in total) increased the maximum payload to about 2000 kg. Various other improvements to general ruggedness and reliability were also made, though reliability remained rather poor. An extreme example of this were the liftjets, with a service life of about 22 hours. When the Kiev went on its first cruise in the Mediterranean in 1976, it carried six Yak-38s. Only three were working at the outset of the cruise, and only one was flying at the end.

Its performance was, to put it bluntly, quite shitty. Its operational radius was only about 100 km, in large part due to excessive fuel consumption in vertical flight. During cruises in tropical waters and hot weather, endurance was no more than about 15 minutes at best. Though to be fair, it WAS effectively an operational demonstrator machine that had been hastily pressed into service for political reasons. The Yak-38 was withdrawn from service following a crash in June, 1991.

>>34959268
>1946
>Warsaw Pact