What can a poorer military do against an enemy that has stealth

>>34932243

>What can a poorer military do against an enemy that has stealth aircraft?

>Hide in the civilian population and pick at ground troops, slowly eroding civilian moral back in the aggressors home country?

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>>34932243
Invest in a lower cost fighter that is superior.

>>34932243
Wait for them to open the bomb bay doors

>>34932271
>blow up civilians too

Fixed

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>>34932299

>>34932299
lmao

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Wait for them to get complacent and when the bomber takes the same path as it has three days in a row, use your shitty, soviet era equipment to shoot the fuck out of it.

Rent a u-haul and drive it into a crowd of pedestrians.

>>34932299
fuck off Mikhail

>>34932243
Mortar the base where it's kept.
T. Victor Charlie

>>34932243
Go to the aggressors home country pretending to be a refuge and set off dirty bombs in population centers.

>>34932371
>Dien Bien Phu
>Viet Minh couldn't crack the heavily fortified French
>They couldn't effectively shell it because of French air support
>at night, the female members of the Viet Minh (the Long Haired army) dissasemble all the Viet Minh artilery batteries piece-by-piece and carry it up the mountains overlooking the base
>rebuild the entire artilery battery from the ground up on the mountain
>at dawn, the French had overwhelming artilery raining down on them from all sides

>>34932463
Absolute madwomen

randomly shoot in the sky and hope you hit it

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Invest in low freq radar technology.

Spam cheapo fighters/drones/sams

AA rail guns

Nuclear blimps

Tesla Coils

Skynets

>>34932609

How many of the C&C actress did/went on to do porn?

>>34932243
As if they were totally invisible...
They're still radar detectable, just less detectable.
And they appear perfectly on infra red sensors.

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>>34932620
>perfectly

Alright, Ivan

>>34932635
Like any other plane if you prefer. Though the F22 has a high ir signature.

>>34932325
we kill one that mean they defeat)))

>>34932243
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

>>34932810

I forgot Serbia won that war.

>>34932837
They didn't win the war but they btfo America's most prized ebin plane)

>>34932886
>most prized ebin plane
That would've been the B-2 at the time.

>>34932706
>And you can just hit it with a sledgehammer on the ground. It's not invisible at all, you can walk right up to it and break it.

The only problem with IR search and tracking is by the time you find the target you've been dead for a half hour.

>>34932886
USAAFs prized planes tend to be bombers my dumb serb.

>>34933101
What is a Rafale D?

>>34933401
>Rafale D
>Dassault used this designation (D for discrète) in the early 1990s to emphasise the new semi-stealthy design features.

That pic looked like it was from before 2000, so maybe some names changed?

>>34933435
Thanks, I only knew the designations B, C and M.

>>34932886
One plane after thousands of sorties that was retired because of the flaw.

>>34932619
I thought they started off doing porn

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>>34932302
kek

>>34932243
Flying Gavins, with wings and shit.

>>34932243
>AA emplacements

>>34932706
>Though the F22 has a high ir signature.
No it doesn't
I weld and assemble f22 exhaust parts along with f35 exhaust parts.
They are quite literally designed to hide both radar and heat signatures.

>>34932243
Refer to the Global War on Terror. The answer to your question is in there.

>>34932757
It completely halted all airstrikes and made the nato planes stay away from the country entirely.

>>34932551
Might work if the terrain favors you. E.g. having high mountains that forces attackers along predictable routes. Also, again, Eyeballs Mk.I.

>>34932243
It's only a matter of time. The current stealth fighters are immune to radar tech developed in the 1960's-80's. Inevitably, radar makers will refine their tech in response. Possibly even using other means of detection as well. A.I. has gotten pretty good at image recognition for example (thanks Captcha).

Visuals and hand-calculated lead for shitty soviet era AA cannons.

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>>34932299

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lol

>>34932243
plus all your aa hardware came from a super power anyways so there is like a 50/50 chance that they have the ability to just turn it off with some software shit they put in it before sale.

>>34934896
>mydadworksatnintendo.jpg
I'm on you side, but some citations would be nice

>>34934896
>Im allowed to talk about super classified shit all willy nilly on a mongolian throat slapping image board

kek.

Youre right, but stop being a lying faggot. Oh and try and say "Whatever loser", say one more thing and Ill report your post to the us government.

>>34935973

Are you implying any nation that is currently fighting America has it better than America?

>>34934896
Even if you were a semiskilled worker on those, you wouldn't necessarily (and apparently do not) know that those parts are designed for REDUCED radar and IR signatures, not zero.

>>34938088
A Pratt Whitney engineer literally told me each aspect of the parts and what they did.
IDK why you fags are even trying to argue.

I simply stated a stealth fighter is designed to hide heat and It's physical rcs.
Is that somehow a surprise?
Then again, you neets don't have careers in aerospace.

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>>34932243

>>34934896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58N6Plr17GU

>>34932243
On the battlefield, nothing
Maybe infiltrate the base where they take off from, butcher a few pilots.

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>>34936086
You realize how easily this is disproven by even a cursory google search you moron

>>34933101
Is there another part of that table showing the F-35 rcs?

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>>34932243
pic related.

>>34933165
How can the F-22 detect other fighters stealthily if it itself does not have FLIR? Wouldn't the radar be detectable?

>>34939469
ESM / passive radar, or it uses its radar in an LPI mode.

>>34940036
How about noncooperative threat recognition?

>>34939463
Really is a safety blanket for vatniks isn't it. Any topic tangentally related to stealth aircraft and muh F-117 shootdown, despite it strategically meaning nothing. The more its held on to the more pathetic it becomes

>>34939463
>Iraq shoots down and damages more planes in the first Gulf War, and then does it again in the Second Gulf War than Serbia does in the entirety of Allied Force
>Serbia has substantially less area to cover
>Has favorable RoE against NATO
>Has higher tech and better training than Iraq ever did
>objectively performs worse than Iraq did in either gulf war
>Somehow Serbs are considered Gods of Air Defense and Iraqis are considered hilariously incompetent and can't even tie their own shoe laces

Someone please explain this to me.

>>34932243
>What can a poorer military do against an enemy that has stealth aircraft?
High altitude nuclear explosion.

>>34940722
What about it? It's a field of techniques that first require you to detect a target.

>>34940757
More savvy PR.

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Could filling your territory with decoy targets work? At least that way you force enemy to waste ammo and fuel, and also reduce probability of the enemy hitting legitimate targets.

>>34940773
>If we nuke ourselves we win.

>>34933165
>The only problem with IR search and tracking is by the time you find the target you've been dead for a half hour.

I lol'd

>>34939457
I tried looking for a newer image, but that image is from at least before 2000.

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>>34940981
Belka did the same thing and lost anyway

strap some balloons to a tanker and watch as the US pilot flies into it because he couldnt detect it on radar

>>34932609
>Invest in low freq radar technology.
That are useless for target and tracking.

>Spam cheapo fighters/drones/sams
Target rich environment.

>AA rail guns
And now you're just being silly.

>>34936199
>I have no idea how radar and stealth work

>>34939457
It's supposed to be around B-2 level.

>>34934896
I believe you, I worked on the sniper pod but no one would believe me here either

>>34932271
This will still lead to the loss of your country. Insurgency is just getting defeated with style.

>>34940927
>Yes. This was a tactic that was used extensively by the Serbs after the US began bombing them. It was very effective considering the options available to them at the time.

>>34941725
fugg didn't mean to greentext

>>34932305
Yea, those stealth aircraft do often blow up civilians. But hey, its collateral damage within acceptable limits as long as you only murder a maximum of 3 children.

We're following the law, so how could those fathers possibly feel like they are obligated to fight back through insurgency?

>>34941936
>We're following the law, so how could those fathers possibly feel like they are obligated to fight back through insurgency?
>Implying it was Iraqis and not Jordanians, Saudis, Iranians, and Syrians who were killing mostly the Iraqi people

>>34941963
>implying something implausible without a source

I can bet my left nut at least half the jihadis in iraq were iraqi

>>34941986
They weren't.

>>34941993
>implying some more implications with no source

>>34936433
>Just the concept of stealth is "highly classified".
>Not specifics like materials, measurements, methodology, actual INFORMATION that could bear a classification.
Stop talking out of your ass

>>34932243

Donate money to the Clinton Foundation and buy American foreign policy.

>>34941308
Its far lower by orders of magnitude.

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>>34932243
>What can a poorer military do against an enemy that has stealth aircraft?

Nothing except pray that the Americans will ignore your country.

>>34942084
>Donate money to the Clinton Foundation and buy American foreign policy.
Versus donate to Trump and get a seat in his cabinet.

>>34932243
Nuclear deterrent, massed strikes against airfields with GLCM and SRBM, attempt to overrun airbases, attack logistical support elements, concealment and dispersion, hope they run out of ammo.

Basically anything other then actually trying to fight it on a even playing field.

If you are facing an imminent air raid from the US, you already fucked up, take the money and run, leave the low ranking officers to deal with the mess.

But, facing anyone else, consider that PGMs are expensive and thus a limited arsenal and while pinpoint accurate someone still needs to tell the pilot where he wants them, so you need extensive effort placed in counterintelligence going from simple camouflage to EMCON to hide your forces from the enemy, with the assumption that anything that's high value and detected will be destroyed. Losing control of airspace is a terrible situation to be in but not necessarily devastating.

>>34940738
I post it because is hilarious how butthurt anons like you get.

>>34940981
Glory to Belka

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>>34932299

>>34932243
Tl:dr, the following;

>Swapping to more analog order delivery systems, paper and through manpower
>using radar sparingly and pulling stake and moving as soon as you do.
>changing your aa locations rapidly, between sorties if possible.
>show up in unexpected areas and choose the battlefield.

>>34934896
>I weld and assemble f22 exhaust parts along with f35 exhaust parts.

Not for much longer.

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>>34941272
Murrican here, well played friendo.

>>34941272
Hmmmmm......

If I did the math right (had to convert a supertanker into grams), 170 million weather balloons, and 36 trillion cubic feet of helium to take a tanker (empty) from sea level, to 36 thousand meters (before the balloon pops) at an ascent rate of .12m/s

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>>34932243
dig

>>34944162
Gas the tunnels

>>34940738
It is like their keyboards only consists of buttons made out of standard responses like this and they keep pressing those totaly overused buttons, expecting they still mean a thing. Inb4 someone plays rusemaster and drooling says something about butthurt.

I knew it:
>>34943650
>i pissed myself, now look how butthurt you are about it
Everytime.

>>34944678
EPIC

>>34944678
That or they have to follow a script book their FSB or GRU bosses gave them.

>>34940757
A. Vatniks
B. The gulf war and second Iraq war were over quickly/ a patriotic war of revenge 4 9/11 despite Iraq having nothing to do with 9/11 and the decades long middle eastern police action is almost viewed as a independent conflict.

>>34942043
At the CIA, even as an entry level desk clerk you arent supposed to mention you work for them to friends and family because you could become a target or an entry point for foreign espionage.

Now multiply that by I WORK ON CLASSIFIED SHIT THAT EVERY SUPER POWER IN THE WORLD WANT AN IN ON.

Stop being so fucking retarded.

>>34940757
Mostly because Gulf 1 made the West think of airpower as an all-powerful unstoppable force. Then the Serbs simply parked their tanks in the middle of a forest and people were surprised that NATO couldn't kill them. Everyone expected another Highway of Death or a repeat of the 100 day air campaign that effectively destroyed the Iraqi army. It was less the Serbs being exceedingly capable and more the USAF not being the omnipotent people expected them to be.

As far as shoot downs go the Iraqi successes were mostly with IR guided missiles against low flying aircraft. In Serbia NATO flew above the range of IR missiles, which forced the Serbs to depend on less capable and more vulnerable radar guided SAMs so the far fewer losses are expected.

>>34932243
What could even a superpower do?

>>34944210
>white phosphorus is only legal to use >for its smoke producing properties
>wp the tunnels

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>>34932243
did you already forget serbia?

>>34940927
>T-80 tank
that looks like a good T-54/55 but nothing at all like a 80

Stealth planes are a meme.

USA are the most potent due to having an excellent quality and quantity of non-stealth planes.

F-22 are inconsequential to the outcome.

>>34949345
who?

>>34949345
This shit meme again

2000 years ago gallic tribesmen would tell virtually similar tales of striking down a careless roman legionnaire with a wooden club, killing him, despite the fact their whole tribe got decimated, looted and utterly wrecked

That's how stupid the serbcucks sound

>>34949438
The US already has 400+ stealth fighters. That's more than what Russia has in Flanker variants.

>>34932398
this

>>34939457
is about golf ball sized

>>34939457
>>34950088
It's about pebble / small marble sized.

>On a radar map, a 747 would appear the size of a hot air balloon and an F-16 would look like a beach ball. Drill down to legacy stealth aircraft and Lockheed’s F-117 Nighthawk would show up as a golf ball while an F-22 Raptor might appear as a pea. With the F-35, Lockheed is getting down to pebble size, according to Robert Wallace, senior manager for F-35 flight operations.
>Wallace, a former chief of low-observability for the US Air Force’s B-2 bomber, says the F-35 has leveraged LO qualities from the bomber – but he could not elaborate on specifics.
>Pilots will see a more advanced low-observable signature on the F-35 versus the F-22, but it’s the maintainers who see the greatest leap in durability.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-lasers-and-scanners-illuminate-f-35-ramp-u-432983/

>>34947602
>a repeat of the 100 day air campaign that effectively destroyed the Iraqi army.

That's not even close to what happened with the air campaign though

>>34941272
Funny, but they actually did something like this in WW1. Hydrogen balloons with massive nets stretched between them would catch biplanes.
Could this concept work in the modern day? Imagine using helium weather balloons with ultra thin stealth material coated wires to set up giant nets that would probably slice a fighter jet in half.
The real issue is getting the balloons up to those extreme heights in the first place without them getting shot down first. Stealth balloons?

>>34942084
So how's that work out today when there aren't any Clintons in government?

>>34950401
I don't think Trumptards will ever drop anything about the Clintons.

Even though Trump literally sold cabinet seats to donors like Betsy DeVos.

>>34950492
To be fair, Trump supporters are so committed they don't care he committed treason to get elected. Anything less than treason doesn't even register to them.

>>34939312
What does it say for those of us who don't speak foreign?

>>34932243
Quantity of cheaper aircraft, wait for fifth gen the run out of ammo and go bomb their base.

>>34952428
>he committed treason to get elected.
I'm going to need better sauce than "muh russian collusion" on that.

>>34952555
You literally just need to google "trump treason."

Are you delusional? Can you not see there is a massive fucking problem here?

>>34952759
All I see are a bunch of leftist rags having a go at DTJ.
I see a problem, but it isn't what you say it is.

>>34932243
Invest in AA. Stealth is counterable by a big enough radar. Shit out a good enough SAM network and it'll come down to other means of getting the SAMs out of operation before the stealth stuff moves in and rapes the air force along with cheaper SAM radars.

>>34932243
"stealth" on an aircraft doesn't really make you invisible to modern radars.

In only works against fifth world countries with either no AA at all or WWI-era AA capabilities.

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>>34952818
>In only works against fifth world countries with either no AA at all or WWI-era AA capabilities.

Oh shit I didn't realize that physics makes exceptions for certain AA systems.

>>34952851
no problem my dude, now you know that technology advances with time usually.

>>34932243
Send out fighters when your RADAR unevitably detect it when it's incredibly close, pray to god you have birds in the air ready to intercept it, launch missiles or simply adequately conceal yourself in the underground tunnel complex you built over the last 20 years by reporting your cement import "wrong" for thoses last years.
The Modern Airpower fear the power of the Unddaground.

>>34952891
>I think the US hasn't considered the radar capabilities they themselves have in committing to stealth, much less that of potential adversaries!

You anti-stealth tards will never learn, will you?

>>34950394
>>34932609
I had the same idea

>>34953889
Denver airport? Also there are advanced bunker busting techniques.

>>34952787
>I see a problem, but it isn't what you say it is.
There are problems on "both sides."

>>34941274
>That are useless for target and tracking.
What about with 10 of them spread out and a bunch of processor power and micro pulses that hedge advances in particle physics?

>>34952818

It's true, low frequency radar can detect stealth aircraft.

It can also detect hotter air, water vapor, dust, Vin Diesel's cock and the ephemeral dreams of childhood.

Good luck turning that information into useful detection and tracking, Ivan.

>>34955728
>muh advanced bunker busting
No amount of bunker busting will be able to defeat chinese autism when it come to building literally underground cities like the unddaground Great Wall of China is literally the only reason the US can't fuck China, Second strike Nuclear capabilities are far too dangerous for any nation that is offensively minded in it's military to even fuck with, the same tactic apply to producing SAM missile, if you get Bombed over ground just fucking become Mole people.It's that easy complete concealement only at the cost of literally letting everybody above ground die.

>>34956671
>No amount of bunker busting will be able to defeat chinese autism when it come to building literally underground cities
Also applies to North Korea.

>>34940927
Allied forces did something like this when planning D-day

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>>34949372
How about this?

>>34957006
North Korea's strategic strike capabilities being limited the US would actually be able to send a fairly large force both in the Air and one the Ground, meaning Bunker Busting would actually be way easier against North Korea because their simply not able to produce enough high quality SAM and Strategic Arsenal to slowly negate Air power through Busting Planes and airstrips Fast enough for it to actually be a viable strategy, it would only delay the inevitable advance that would in the end be halted for Diplomatic and Geopolitical reason but in reality would just contain the US enough to not die in a few months.

>>34954691
This statement was true 15 years ago.
I'd be very surprised if nobody tried to improve his radar technology during this span, precisely in order to adapt to the advent of stealth tech.

>>34960233
And stealth is still adapting to stay ahead. Hell, one of the major uses of the Barracuda on the F-35 is giving the pilot approach risk visibility on active radars.

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>>34944162
holy shit, the <<side niches>>
guy is the INNA CAVE sks guy

>>34944162
This is impressive.

>>34961579
Heck, you are right.

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>>34956671
>>34957006
>>34959653
Ummm sweetie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_rocket

imagine a nuclear version

I too have dreams about living Gurran Lagann style but there are ways of focusing energy at the ground. Obviously it makes them about as effective as conventional weapons but if you know where an underground city is then wrecking havoc upon them should be easy enough. And yes I realize that it makes first strikes impractical and all that but I dont think there is really anywhere 100 percent safe. Maybe on the moon or mars?

Is there any material that can withstand a direct thermonuclear explosion? I think even titanium would be vaporized as wide as the fireball of the blast.

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>>34932302
Delet this

>>34932551
T. Serb

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>>34962061
>Dat cosplay
Sorry anon, but you could do better