why aren't snipers given more firepower? instead of being

>>34925661
They heavy, and if you end up needing to use one you fucked up.

>>34925661
Because the firepower doesn't make a difference, but the weight does.

It doesn't matter what you have, you and your spotter and your security guy aren't going to stop an infantry platoon, squad, or even fire team that found your hide.

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>>34925669
>Because the firepower doesn't make a difference

>a semi automatic 9mm handgun that weighs almost 1 kilogram and takes 17 round mags with an effective range of 30-40 meters
>a select fire sub machine gun with 40 round mags, shoots a much better cartridge with an effective range of 100-200 meters, weights 2 kilos
gee i'm not sure which gun i'd wish i have if i spot a couple of patrolling enemies who are way too close to me.

i believe it is the exact opposite, a couple of kilograms more does not hurt especially if you are trained to carry that weight and it's a good improvement.

>>34925878
>blowing your load on a random patrol for shits and giggles
No. This ain't CoD.

because snipers primary jobs are not taking shots anymore, they are forward observers and target acquisition specialists.

>>34925878

if you are in a position where there is the possibility of "a couple of patrolling enemies" then you have done your job extremely poorly.

>>34925924
>they are forward observers and target acquisition specialists.
isn't that what recon teams are for?

>>34925915
>patrolmen start firing at you

>>34925878
>i believe it is the exact opposite

what you believe doesnt fucking matter retard
try patrolling at 10000ft for a week+ at a time and see how much difference a kilo makes (as well as the extra size)

>>34925994
>being close enough to a patrol to get spotted
>being close enough to a patrol
>getting spotted
Are you a sniper or a fuckwit?

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>>34925661
Mk23 is almost a PDW
Its longer than an an MP5k
I would go for the MP5k unless I was Snake

>>34926033
>i have never hiked for more than 24 hours in my life: the post
holy shit kill yourself you armchair general
why is /k/ in general so deathly afraid of weight, every single /out//k/ thread ends up with this exact weight fiasco.
is it because you're all fat fucks with asthma?
yes it is an issue but it is nowhere as scary as you make it out to be

snipers in training hike day and night with kilograms on their backs in the most excruciating manner just so your pussy ass can whine about things being too heavy for them in a chinese animation forum?
muh weight? tell that to the people who carry M82s and M110s
they're way beyond this shit

>>34925661
When does school start

>>34925878
First put down your Xbox controller, go sign up, pass basic and AIT, qualify expert on your assigned weapon, go down range, sign some hand receipts, go out on patrol a couple times and then your decision still won't fucking matter because you are retarded.

>>34925661
Probably because it's unnecessary. Handguns fit in holsters and are generally out-of-the-way. Even if weight isn't an issue, bulk can be.

Also, acquisitions aren't determined by the boots on the ground.

Life isn't a video game. During OIF and OEF we'd get tasked relatively often to run blocking positions or QRF to JSOC cool dudes. Say lots of snipers/marksmen carrying mk18s, HK PDWs and even 40mm launchers as secondaries.

Would also occasionally see 2 and 4 man recon/sniper teams step off with 1 or 2 of the spotters carrying something like a mk12, mk17 and belt feds as their primary.

>>34926122
>a Mark 23 with a suppressor is longer than a MP5K without one
Damn...

>>34926128
>>34925681
>>34925661
Is it summer in the northern hemisphere?

>>34926273
Crew serviced pistol
Still want one
And a full sized MP5 for that 90s aesthetic
Hopefully NFA and silencers will be legal soon and HK can import some G3s, MP5s and G36s

>>34926128
airmchair general? try deployed multiple times airborne infantry you fucking autist.

Rucking with 65 pounds for training is a big fucking difference than patrolling and trying to maneuver with multiple weapons. A pistol on a chest holster or drop leg is infinitely better than trying to be in a hide site for days at a time with a fucking smg slung. ffs youre retarded.

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>>34926159
leave your desk for once and go on a 48+ hour hike, instead of spouting noarguments.

>>34926401
Pretty sure they could make a drop leg holster for a MP5k
Even easier for a Mac10 or UZI
Or you could go 93R or G18 and still have 20-30 rounds
2-3 30 round mags of 9x19 isnt very heavy

>>34926401
>deployed multiple times airborne
and i'm a navy seal with 300 confirmed kills too.

thank u 4 ur cervix

>>34926339

the importing isn't the issue, its german export laws.

>>34926515
Youre right
Its all the german government
HK wants to sell everything to everyone
Hopefully Trump can dismantle their commie government

>>34926201
>mk18s, HK PDWs and even 40mm launchers as secondaries.
>mk12, mk17 and belt feds as their primary.

If you're going to lie on a Mongolian finger painting board, at least make it believable.

poast unit where regular marine sniper teams were issued mp7s and mk17s if you aren't full of it.

>>34926128
>carry M82s and M110s
And here's where you show exactly how retarded you are. Those are mostly used as semi-fixed EOD weapons, not fucking sniper rifles.

>>34926624

pretty sure the m110 is used by snipers.
call it a hunch.

>>34925661
Because they issue you a spotter

>>34925661
they are. they have an M4 carbine and radio comms which can bring in 3,000lb bombs from the sky

>>34925661
They aren't issued anything, they choose what they want to take from a sometimes small selection of firearms depending on the team and what they're attached to. It can be a very wide selection as well though.
You don't just tell expert shooters what to carry on an operation you try to give them as many options as possible.

This is called a Sniper team : If the risk of being counter-attacked is real, the Sniper is provided with a buddy with a rifle (or a SMG if you were in the 80's).

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>>34925661
Unlike what video games would have you believe, real snipers carry their long rifles in a pack and carry a regular rifle/carbine until they get into position

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>>34926339
Had one at a local gunshop, lightly used, for 950.

They are light as fuck. Surprised the fuck out of me.

>>34928791
Buy it. They weigh less than a 1911.

>>34928794
Didn't have a grand laying around. By the time I came back with 900 for haggling, it was gone.

I bought a 90s BHP captians model and an full metal 941 (non MR) with a hex barrel and in 45 for the the same price.

>>34925661
Half of the point of having a spotter is having someone with a Mid-range rifle to cover you in the event of the exact threat you're describing. Snipers don't work alone in today's warfare.

>>34926569
trump cant even build a wall

>>34926467
2-3 30 round sticks when I could instead carry 2-3 mags for my rifle, for me that's an easy choice. Also why would i have a select fire pistol? So i can waste bullets at air.
Now go out and hike with an 80 pound ruck for a week over mountainous terrain and learn why Ounces make Pounds, and pounds make pain.

>>34928908
They should.

>>34929017

right because one set of eyes is better then two

>>34925661
Didn't Criss Kiyle's spotter have a SAW and he himself always had an M4 in addition to what sniper weapon he used?

>>34929089
Correct. One man is cooler than 2. It's a proven fact that the cooler force always wins.

>>34926128
I've rucked with a C6 that weighs 30 pounds, on top of the hundred pounds of other shit they throw on to "Light" Infantry these days. If I could've dropped a couple pounds here or there to save my knees and feet, I gladly would have.

Believe it or not, when you're carrying a hundred+ pounds of kit for hours on end through uneven terrain, adding a couple pounds is not a small issue anon. Not to mention it's just more shit for you to catch on rocks and trees.

>>34929155
>implying Chris Kyle would EVER need a spottet
SEAL snipers act as shooter and spotter
new fag

>>34929311
Bait.gif

>>34929379
t. civie

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>>34925661

>>34925661
>carrying around a huge weapon that you will never actually use

Quality thread OP.

>>34925661
Because autoloading sniper rifles work do just fine.
Look into the m110.

>>34929907
POLITE!!!

THE POLITE PEOPLE ARE HERE SO POLITE

>>34928809
Pic of 941? Is it the compact?

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>>34925661
Because real snipers, not marksmen, sharpshooters, or Chris Kyle, are supposed to spend a week crawling through fields, eat, sleep, and shit in one place for another week, take one single shot, and then spend another week exfiltrating via crawling back out through a field.

>>34925994
Then you surrender, you don't try to CODBLOPS your way out with a fucking smg

>>34926128
If you had ever seriously hiked before in your life you would know a 1 kilo difference is something hikers actually thing about

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>>34930634
Get a load of this guy.

>>34928791
>Polymer
Woah

>>34930626
>Not shooting them in the back and surrendering just after

>>34930258
>hurrdurr every sniper is a black ops operative specialized in waging one-man gorilla warfare
Stop being retarded, anon.

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>>34930866
That is the definition of a sniper.

Not a marksman, or a sharpshooter, but a sniper, yes.

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>>34930973
>That is the definition of a sniper.
No it is not. I hope you are not implying that's what your image says.
>Not a marksman, or a sharpshooter, but a sniper, yes.
No. A marksman operates in a squad, a sniper operates either independently in the AO, or in support of the CO's plan of battle. They do not go around sneaking in the enemy's, eliminating high value targets. That is SOF work, not ordinary sniper work.

>>34931058
all the less reason for one to carry around "extra firepower"

dont most snipers basically just tag along a bit behind or before another unit, or set up at checkpoints and such?

>>34925661
most snipers in the us army are part of the scout plt. they're there specifically as a recon element. they might be attached to a company for the purpose of observing the enemy prior to an assault on an objective. all snipers i had in my unit worked as a 3 man fireteam; 1 sniper with a 2010, 1 spotter with a m110, and 1 radio op with an m4. a sniper's job on an assassination style mission is strictly shoot and scoot. i'd be stupid if he had a pdw because he's supposed to egress to the evac point. if he's having to use a pdw to break contact as he goes, he's doing his job wrong.

>>34929907
every time i see this pic i irks me that he's holding onto his optic.

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>>34931083
>all the less reason for one to carry around "extra firepower"
Yes. If a sniper is spotted, he is fucked and either retreats or is killed. There is no need for the sniper to carry any additional firepower, especially when his spotter / third guy in the team is carrying that firepower. It will only slow him down and make him less stealthy.

>>34931058
Boy, you got some real genuine™ cognitive dissonance there.

>>34925661
some do.

>>34929907
why do the police have night vision during the day?

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>>34931212
I'm going to give you a hint, anon. See if you can figure out why.
It starts with an "i" and ends with "ndoors"

>>34931235
flashlights nigga

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>>34925878
Under the asspunption that you want to incfreas firepower you are gonna want to carry magazines for the pdw. So we are talking about 6 mp7 spare magazines that you are not gonna use anyway. Unless you are really implying that a single magazine 40 shots of full automatic make a difference over a couple of 17 rounds handgun magazines, than you are a fucking retard holy shit.

>>34931246
Can, or cannot be seen by everyone?

>>34931267
Nvg cut your peripheal vision, you rally don't want to use them indoor if you have another option.

>>34931212
Possibility of a superbowl eclipse.

>>34931259
Isn't that gear from the French commando who was killed by Africans or whatever ?

>why don't we give people whose jobs it is to be very, very far away from the enemy a gun that only works very close up

This is how stupid you are

>>34933928

>reverse google search

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/6fe03c/gear_from_captured_dgse_operators_after_a_failed/

>inb4 reddit link , well , that's the first english link I found.

>>34934019
>not reading the OPs post all the way
>being that fucking dense

>>34926128
>tell that to the people who carry M82s and M110s. they're way beyond this shit
>they're way beyond this shit
i genuinely cant tell if you are serious

>>34931259
>6 mags
what?
why?
just 3 should do the trick.

>>34925878
Found the city kid who has never been camping.

>>34934114
>""""Op's post""""
>being disingenuous
Not even the same guy, but holy fuck this thread is bad.

>>34926339

I make do with my Mk23, SP5K & PTR91 in the meantime

I want a G3 and MP5K so fuckin bad. Also that sbr 308 G3 hnnnng

>>34931112
>sniper
>m203
......uh alright then....

>>34925994
Then you have failed at the ONE JOB you had to do. More importantly you've wasted the time and money of everyone in your life, from the parents who raised you to the state that educated you to the service that trained you. You should probably kill yourself.

>>34935125
5 for the mp7's
2 ar
1 g36
3 glock
shouldnt the 2 mp7s confuse you more?

>>34925878
>a couple of kilograms more does not hurt especially if you are trained to carry that weight and it's a good improvement.
This line of thinking is why America is going to bankrupt itself paying to fix veterans knees in the coming decades.

>>34936474
It's not that confusing. The man that was killed and left behind was equipped for sentry removal, hence the PDW and suppressed pistol. The mags were dropped from other guys during reloads or whatever. The MP7s were possibly carried in addition to rifles, for sentry removal and whatnot.

>>34925661

Generally the sniper has a sniper rifle and the spotter an M4 with a M203 grenade launcher.

>>34936441

Sniper and spotter switch every few hours, because you can't look through optics for a long period of time (around 12 hours) and not get fatigued. Also helps with combating boredom.

>>34926621
arent the spotters issued regular carbines?

>>34931212
Its obviously standard issue as they are a response team going to a situation that could last 6-7 hours and suddenly its dark.

>>34926621
>anon mentions working with JSOC snipers
>you get mad because that doesn't sound like how "regular marine sniper teams" operate
I dont really know what you want to hear.

>>34925661
the handgun is there to off yourself and your injured mate instead of capture.

>>34930634
>1 kilo difference
just take a piss early and you overcame the difference.

>>34930626
>Then you surrender
well if that is an option, snipers are not treated kindly even by proper military forces what the hajis will do to you will make you wish you used your issued sidearm.

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>>34925661
PDW's are extremely expensive. One might go for a few thousand, a pistol could go for a few hundred. There's no reason to buy something that should never be used in a certain task.

>>34926122
This is solid snek

knife gun

Comen sin virtuas miss en

>>34928618
Not acutually true most sniprs work with platoons or groups so actually carry a sniper rifle with them just like in cod


I know cos i saw it on a documentry and play call of duty and am a top level general there so i know

>>34925980
Which is why in a fair number of militaries, snipers are part of recce platoons and companies. For example: in Canada, where C/S 6 refers to a recce coy hq, C/S 66 refers to the sniper platoon within that recce coy

>>34940402
So question, what if you were to take a thick tarp, attach it to the wall and use it like one of those old ass cameras with the hood for the photographer?

Wouldn't that block the light from behind and keep you from silhouetting?

>>34925878
>a couple of kilograms more does not hurt
Do you even lift m8?

>>34925661
Two reasons. Weight, and the likelihood they'd need it. Not to mention most spotters have an assault rifle.

If you really needed that kind of firepower, make an automatic FN Five-seveN. Smaller than an MP7, penetrates armour, etc
>But muh ammo capacity
If you're gonna be lugging around an MP7 as a sniper, expect 20 rnd mags.

>>34940675
>do you even lift
>do you even hike
You should ask these question to everybody who replied to me.

anybody on /k/ who didn't hike 10 miles and deaddy 4pl8 shouldn't fucking talk about rucking or hiking or equipment weight

>>34940713
>make an automatic FN Five-seveN
FUND IT.

>>34925661
I'm literally 12 years old: The thread.

>>34941448
This is why we need Deepmind. In the future it will be able to estimate the age of the poster with 99 percent accuracy and ban them

>>34941392
Anon if you ain't at least jogging that 10 mikes you ain't that fit

>>34941536
10 mikes in how much time?

>>34925661

Because the spotter typically has a weapon that's not a sniper rifle

>>34941561
Jogging is generally consider 5mph+. The last time I did it with weights I did 10min miles "comfortably"

>>34928618
That's a long shovel

>>34940402
.... You can plainly see the terrain in front of that guys vision is flat or level with him... Why would there suddenly be an open sky view behind them...

I don't think you know how real life works.

Oh shit unless some of his asshole friends set the whiteboard right behind his head and raised a flag right above him. Haha those bastards.

>>34941618
There needs to be a /k/ standard, with different grades from 24/7 shitposter to Special forces level

>>34925661
>mfw nobody knows sauce of OPs pic

>>34941715
There does. /k/ and /fit/ need an collab of autism to solve this

>>34941665
4u

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>>34941759
It would be glorious.

>>34941730
Clear and present danger.

>>34930626
>shoot dead some officers
>get caught by their men
>'hey guys im surrendering ok please dont rape me then hang me from a bridge as revenge, remember the geneva convention and make sure you follow it'

>>34926128

Cause nutnfancy told us so

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>>34926128
this post triggers /v/ so bad
>>34941974
You guys tellin me you don't edc a copy? pic related