>drives out moisture >light oil for corrosion prevention

>>34924286
its fine. People here are just autistic.

because it does one of those things decently, and the other two things very poorly.

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>>34924286
Go ahead and use "water displacer" instead of "lubricant". Sounds like a winning strategy.

>>34924286
It's fine but just not as good as a lube and it evaporates kinda fast.

>>34924286
Supposedly it's hygroscopic, so while wet, it's generally fine, but as it evaporates it's leaving that attracted water on your gun with little protection. wd-40 seems to be an okay general solvent/lube but not a good protectant.

It does lubricate to a degree, but it leaves a waxy coating behind which I feel is great for protecting surfaces, but not suitable for moving parts like the lockwork. If it was all I had for a week long hunting trip I wouldn't hesitate to use it and reapply two or three times to keep it "wet" but at home an oil which doesn't dry out is what you want, since it protects the surface and provides bearing film for moving parts.

>>34924376
Here's another comparison:
http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
WD 40 actually fared better than i thought it would and WD 40 "Specialist" did pretty well. I'll stick to CLP and white lithium grease

>>34924286
It isn't as effective at stopping corrosion as some other options. It is certainly better than nothing.

>>34924376
What were the conditions for the test?
Those are interesting results

>>34924286
the C, L, and P parts

>>34924286
just use ballistol

I am going to use olive oil for muh beretta 92 for my next uspsa match though

>>34924286
It's shitty. It couldn't even lubricate my sliding patio door.

Clean - maybe
Lube - it dries out easy and is shit
Protect - see above. Not very protectable if it dries out.

>>34924757
Canola or grapeseed for high heat. Refined coconut oil won't go rancid.

>>34924790
He just said he competitive shoots. He probably cleans his guns before anything would go rancid.

>>34924286
When you buy Wd-40 you are paying for 47 ish percent solvent. That's why it evaporized so fast.
Check the msds sheet. Lots of better options for your money.

>>34924652
He smeared the washers with the indicated lubricant/grease and blasted the board with a hose. There was no control group (as in apply oil/grease and do not expose to monsoon conditions). All it tested was how well x lube/grease holds up to being monsooned. Of course it's going to rust when you blast it off and not reapply it.

>>34924790
>>34924807
the olive oil thing was a joke
I just use ballistol or motor oil

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>>34924286
Better

>>34924886
>He smeared the washers with the indicated lubricant/grease and blasted the board with a hose.
FALSE
he sprayed with salty water once a day over the course of a few months

WD40
>general purpose who gives a fuck lube that dries quickly

CLP
>meant to keep guns clean and protect against corrosion

the cost difference is negligible, and there's absolutely no reason to only use WD40 for everything assuming it's "good enough"

>>34924286
It's fine for wiping down guns before long-term storage. It's pretty terrible for lubricating metal-on-metal contact. It also gets gummy faster than other alternatives.

>>34924286
p.sure the lubricant in wd40 is just mineral oil. Evaporate to a gummy film in time.

I'm surprised how poorly ballistol and slip EWL performed. They look as bad as the control washer.

>>34924286
>using a penetrating oil/water displacer as a lubricant

>>34924336
What do you think oil does to water?

Google it, I'll wait.

>>34927046
Does it lubricate the water?

>>34927077
Keep googling

I just use whatever anal lube I have handy.

>>34924376
is eezox the best? at least post source data of that pic, mane

>>34925027
This is what I use. Works great, smells even better.

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My chemicals.

>>34924376
can someone please source this

>>34924286
Supposedly WD-40 is great for cleaning off cosmoline. I use it to get packing grease off precision tools, stuff that's kinda similar to cosmoline.

>>34924286
Read this
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2006/05/lubrication-101/

WD40 has shitty corrosion prevention as seen here:
>>34924376


plus firearms, especially pistols and automatic firearms see lots of high speed, high load friction that hydrodynamic lubrication is not good at(especially easily displaced fluids like WD40)

You need boundary lubrication thats achieved by adding solids like Molybdenum or PTFE to your lube.

My sisters fiancé was using wd40 as a deodorant/anti-perspirent at one point during university.

He's an odd man

>>34929414
Well it does smell lovely.

>>34929429
It does. That and keeps the water away. Just can't imagine it's all that good for your pits. Thin and delicate skin there afterall

>>34924286
Viscosity?

>>34924286
WD 40 will work OK as a cleaner, but shouldn't be used as a lubricant or rust preventer in guns. Just use CLP, the cost is relatively low and it's better in all aspects.

If you want something *really* good, try corrosion x.

>>34929401

ATF is actually not as good as motor oil, in terms of AW/EP. It's also not great for many plastics and rubbers, and could cause contact dermatitis in some cases. It also smells pretty freaking bad when heated up.

In humid and salty environments motor oil gives little/no rust protection, hence the military using LSA/CLP. In dry environments rust isn't a problem, so things like motor oil are assumed to work well.

>>34930246
2.79-2.96cSt @ 100 F, 0w-20 motor oil runs around ~30cSt at the same temp for comparison, and people consider 0w20 to be 'thin'.

Sliding metal surfaces should be lubricated with grease, not CLP.

>>34931725
guns are too dirty, gotta use a medium weight oil that sticks where you put it

should try Vactra #2 way oil

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>>34924286
Back when I was still skateboarding, we never used WD-40 to lube our bearings because after it dries it tends to leave a waxy substance that can gum up the bearings. I've heard the same thing about guns. Sure you can use it, but it's probably better to use something designed for guns, especially considering the temperatures the moving metal parts operate at.

>>34924286
The light oil tends to evaporate away after a few days. CLP or Triflow has better persistence.

>>34924286
It's too harsh for most gun finishes. Then again so is hoppes #9. Neither should be used on guns unless you only have access to Walmart. You're better off using less harsh solvents, both for the gun and your skin.

Considering you can use something as light as vegetable oil or soap to clean guns, there's no need for some expensive specialized product that's probably bad for your skin/lungs.

I actually just realized something, Castile soap is probably a good gun cleaner. It's soap made from vegetable oil that typically leaves a layer of oil behind.

>>34927657
In the test he sprayed them all with salt water. That doesn't really translate to stored guns.

>>34924286
Alright boys, WD40 sucks.
What's some good cleaning and lubrication shit. Hoppes?

>>34932165
I disassemble small parts and place them into a Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner heated to 150 degrees (I use distilled water, 1/2 ammonia, drop of Dawn), which I leave on for 8 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine.

Clean bore with Hoppes 9, using one piece coated rod and a clean patch every trip down the bore. I dip the last patch with oil to leave a light film behind, then follow up with one final dry patch. I use an oil with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries out your gun and makes it look older.

After taking the parts out of the ultrasonic, I blow them dry then immediately spray on WD-40, followed by a final dabbing of moly grease on the areas that receive metal-on-metal contact.

>>34924376
FUCK YEAH EEZOX.

>remoil failing hard
When will Remington kill themselves for being the biggest cucks on Earth?

>>34932142
Maybe, but salt/water test is a pretty standard test when testing corrosion. It's what we were shown when comparing steel coatings for automotive finishes. The salt speeds up the corrosion.
>Corrosion (rust) is 'redox' reaction, which means it involves reduction (of oxygen into hydroxide ions) and oxidation (of metallic iron to iron cations).

>For any redox reaction to take place, electrons are transferred. In this case, from the metallic iron which loses electrons to oxygen. The presence of salt (or any electrolyte) in the water accelerates the reaction because it increases the conductivity of water, effectively increasing the concentration of ions in the water and so increasing the rate of oxidation (corrosion) of the metal
tl;dr anon's pic just shows how these products hold out. It's still useful even if you aren't living on the coast.

>>34924376
This makes me depressed that I use Slip 2000.

>>34924886
That's not how control groups work retard. His control group would be no oil at all.

You learned this in like 7th grade.

its good stuff i use it to wipe down the exterior of all my guns for storage as well as coat the bore/ chamber for a protectant

Not a rust preventative at all, anyone who says it is is a fucking moron who has never worked with estate sales amd delt with several thousand dollars of gun get devalued from the frankly abhorrent rust prevention and gunk left over from the shit.

Its fine for cleaning because it just washes away everything and assuming you'll replace it with sonething else, if not use storage grease for long term storage and leae WD40 for fudds and retards who listen to them.

>>34925027

>using white lithium on a gun

bad choice, does not handle heat well at all, will burn and turn to tar at around 200f

>>34929290

ballistol is just mineral oil with no technology or additives, does not handle heat well, and is too thin a lubricant to protect against wear.


go to 3:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQYAMTQAOoM

>>34930425

ATF has less EP/AW additives but people use it above motor oil because it cleans very well

>>34924286
i use good oldfassoned fogging oil

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LSA has very impressive 4 ball wear numbers, and is like $8 a quart.


Bonus points if you can find LSAT, replaced LSA oil and is in current use with the U.S military,very hard to find though.

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>>34932125

Ever actually CLEAN a weapon of any type?

>>34933087
usually get a few of the 4 oz bottles at gunshows for like $6 for 3

>>34925134
IOW, a completely useless test. You have to be some special kind of nigger to think that "test" is applicable to RL circumstances.
Unless you're the kind of fool that literally carries his gun in a sweaty shoulder holster and only cleans it once a year.

If money is an issue try this. High temp white grease on rails ( sparingly ) other parts a mixture of HD 30 weight oil mixed with atf with synthetic detergents. Look up.The exact recipe via the net. I.made a gallon.up ten years ago and still have some good for AR15 and pistols. AK s get white grease good luck be safe have fun. Share info with others.

>>34934344
>my favorite lube didn't do too well
>I must defend it on the internet

Beyond pathetic

>>34924376
Ballistol BTFO.

>>34927657
For cleaning, Eezox is hard to beat. For a gun you will carry with the possibility of touching with bare skin, you also can't beat its carcinogenic properties.

>>34934344
You must be retarded, or at least somewhat downsey. The data you can mine from just that photo shows what anyone with an IQ close to 100 could see as barely acceptable, absolute waste of money, or a superb choice for gun lube/long term gun protection (that isn't cosmoline).
I hope to murdercube your were shitposting.

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I use motor oil

It's too runny and evaporates too fast to act as lube, not the best possible thing for cleaning either but it's better than nothing.

I can tell you it's at least equally reviled in the locksport community as it is in the gun community possibly even more so.

>>34924376
I'm honestly surprised at Ballistol failing like that. Not trying to be a fanboy, but I've just ballistol on lots of stuff like hand tools, bike chains, knives and guns and have never had a problem.

>>34935056
This...I'll stick to ballistol...I mean, if I drop my gun in the ocean, I think I'd try cleaing it the same day instead of waiting a month.

By the by, I'm not beholden to just one brand and I've used almost all of them and I still use more than one.

Ballistol smells at first, and so do the rags when I throw them in the trash...but the smell eventually goes away, I've used Break free CLP and Slip 2000 and while they don't have terrible oder at first if it gets on your clothes, the smell stays there...even after multiple washes.

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Non-detergent motor oil is the way to go, it's literally designed as an all-purpose lubricant. You can run this stuff in everything from sewing machines to your dick.

It's just mineral oil with anti-friction additives, great stuff that you can pick up for five dollars.

>>34924376
How harmful are the good ones compared to ballistol or hoppes?

>>34936749
If it's just mineral oil, then wouldn't it turn black in the heat test or not protect against rust on the plate of truth?

>>34924376
How the hell did the two Slip 2000 products do so differently?

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>>34936918
Very Harmful as you can see,
All those steel rings where once handguns that either had to much product or to little,
End result you end up with a metal ring!
Consult the expert before cleaning

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2suRStd3Fzc

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>>34924376
That pic is of dubious value, sample size of one, this is a much better assesment, but since it isnt condensed into one easy to read pic, noone cares about it.

http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation

pic related.

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>>34924286
>>34924376
Anybody try this shit?

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>>34937181
another pic from the same link

what about this stuff?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LSA-GUN-OIL-4-1-QT-LOT-NATO-MILITARY-HUNTING-SURVIVAL-LUBRICATE-CLEAN-PRESERVE-/331862495729

>>34924286
>>34924286
it gums up into a sticky gloop like glue when it dries

>>34937181
>>34937210
This is why I use WD-40 LTRP. Only issue is it looks like you jizzed on your gun if you go too ham with it.

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Few people know that the Break free formula has been changed due to the enviromental fantatics. Also few people know that Break free makes two versions. One is CLP and the other is industrial Break Free. The CLP is natural and the other is synthentic. The CLP to good for lower temperatures 40 below versus 20 below for the industrial type of break free. LSA is by far the better temporary lube and I underline Temporary. LSA will congeal over a long period of time so do not store a self defense pistol with this lube for a long time.

LSA is a superior lube for every day shooting because it combines the advatanges of grease and oil into one lube. Break free is much thinner and seems to have far less teflon in it than it use to. Break free is thinner and lubricates less well but does also clean. LSA oil is probably the best lube you can use on the M16 rifle. It was specifically developed for the M16.

Because this is an oil/lubricant thread, I'm gonna jump on in here and ask what lubricant or oil should I be using for steel weapons? Just to keep em in good shape, nothing fancy.

>>34937407
>>34936749
It's cheap, but you should regularly apply it after shooting or exposure to the elements.

Good thing is that it doesn't dry or leave gum.

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>>34937407
see>>34937181
That link covers rust, water displacement, and lubricity.

>>34932821
Actually, both would be controls. Ideally you would want a positive and negative control, i.e. one without lube exposed to the conditions and one without lube not exposed. If you wanted to go even farther you could also buy a new washer at the end and compare results to that, although this wouldn't be a control.

>>34937210
I respect Gear Obsession and the plate of truth, but I hate froglube because of the BS prep you have to do and how it turns brown after a few months and gums up my trigger and hammer.

Also shit is expensive.

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what do you think of using Sentry Solutions dry lube?????
https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Solutions-TUF-GLIDE-Applicator-2-Ounce/dp/B000Q82HSY

>>34924376
>remoil does literally nothing
i laugh every time

Now, where can I get cosmoline in Norway?

>>34937441
>>34937210
Jesus, look at WD-40 spanking so many purpose built CLPs. Can we admin it now that it's probably npgood enough for guns?

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I wonder how well kroil protects metal?

>>34936697
Same here

>>34933045
Hickorydickok loves it

It's a lot of scrolling, but this guy ran some tests to see what all that stuff does.

https://www.shootersforum.com/gun-cleaning/91566-results-gun-care-product-evaluation.html#/topics/91566?page=1

>>34932611
>effectively increasing the concentration of ions in the water
Salt LITERALLY increases the ions in the water because NaCl becomes Na+ ion and Cl- ion when it dissolves in water. Sorry you prickled my autism

how many of these will give you cancer?

>>34938936
well its a good thing the shill kings word of mouth has no value whatsoever, fuck shillcock.

>>34937181
No one cares cause hes got all sorts of problems with his test

>>34933045
Well man, I use WD40 as a generic cleaner and Ballistol as CLP because they just fucking works.

Some of my guns are almost 40 years old with ballistol they never had a problem nor rust even in the insides. That's what my dad used, and while i'm one of those guys who always look to the internets for the best shit, my experience with ballistol is just great and will keep using it.

Ballistol lubricates, it keep things clean and running, and no rust. Also emulsionate with water. On the other hand, WD40 choice is actually just because i can find it everywhere for cheap, like the big tank here >>34929290 and it's good for the end of session bore cleaning and first cleaning before packing home.

All those test over the internet, rust checks, people burning oils for residue, etc don't mean a lot to me because I actually take care of the guns. They are just metal and wood/polymer is not rocket science to know that if they get exposed to water or moisture, a cleaning is in the order. If proper care with an ounce of brain is used, every oil is good to go.
that's just my $.02

>>34939639
I find that Ballistol works well for taking powder out of the barrel but I don't like it on slides or Bolt Carrier Groups, it doesn't smooth up the action enough and leaves a burger grease like finish on frames. I generally use Ballistol for bolt guns and CLP for semi autos.

I generally put a light coat of CLP on all of my guns at least once a month.

>>34938876
wd 40 specialist retard, its about 4x the tprice of regular wd40, which sucks at everything.

>>34939362
Like what? how he had 3 different test groups, all with controls? But im sure you love >>34924376 since theres no context and nothing for you to nitpick.

stop being a faggot

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I use Ballistol for all my cleaning. Hasn't given me any problems.

>>34924286
It's mostly solvent. As a long term lube, it sucks balls. Once it gets heated up it dissipates quickly. Not ideal for Firearms.

>>34924286
When I worked at the Austrian Army Museum they used WD40 for almost everything. Because they once held a trial and WD40 was compared to its price the best. Every better oil was much more expensive and some had the downside of causing corrosion long term due to sulfur compunds.

>>34937508
I got on the Froglube band wagon, just to see how good it was. If you apply it right it works. But and it's a huge but. Long term storage it sucks. I left my firearm alone for several weeks. Came back to it, the fucking shit had mold growing on it. I stripped the crap off, lots of solvent. Checked the metal, no pits or discoloration. Thank fucking God. Clean the rifle 3 times until I was absolutely 100% sure every trace of the crap was off. Oiled it up with the breakfree. Shot a email to the Froglube folks, they said it was a bad batch, told me they would replace it. Told them, that would not be necessary. I was nice, they were nice, they did a refund.