Would it make sense for soldiers to wear more body armor if they're

No.

>>34903587
No.

t. Literally the most northern soldier in my cunt, way above the arctic circle

>>34903597
>>34903599
>>34903606
Here's your (You)s

>>34903602
Alert?

>>34903614
>Alert?

What do you mean?

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>>34903587
It actually does make sense. A lot of Russian soldiers in colder parts of the country near China wear full gear like that. My friend who is in the Marine Rangers met some of them while he was in the sandbox.

>>34903587
no. you make them wear lots of loose layers

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>>34903619
"A heightened sense of readiness, usually associated with a perceived imminent physical threat"

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>>34903619
CFS Alert, northernmost permanently inhabited place in the world

>>34903627
>Border with China
>Colder parts of Russia

Nigga u fukd up

>>34903627
You're just making my jungle fever worse
And I don't even live near a lot of blacks

>>34903647
Nope, wrong continent

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>>34903627
>fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger legs on a woman

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>>34903651
lol if you'd been there you'd know kid

>>34903664
It might be cold, but its still not "the colder part of Russia"

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>>34903627
>Marine Rangers

>>34903651
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia

>>34903674
>>34903694
samefag

>>34903698
Still tho, that is about on the same level as Germany or Montana, and all of Sibiria isn cold, hell it even borders Kazakstan...

>>34903602
which nordic then?
>slav

>>34903587
Isn't that armor and helmet for door gunners and pilots?

wearing body armor in cold places sucks when your leadership is retarded. stuck on top of mountains in northern Afghanistan for months at a time during the colder half of the year. dumb ass officers and SNCOs ignore user manuals and make us wear all our snivel gear under the vest. so your shoulders are being strangled, none of your breathable clothing is breathing under the armor and you get soaked under it, and you can't remove layers with out going inside to strip.

body armor should be worn over the moisture wicking and polypro layers, but under the fleece and shell layers. then you use a molle vest over the outermost layer to hold all your stuff.

>>34903764
Swede.

>>34903597
>>34903599
>>34903606
I don't know?
Can you repeat the question?

>>34903801
ah, so where is the northern most place you mentioned?

>>34903664
But that's how you create effective workers.
The goal of education isn't to make someone smarter, but more efficient.

>>34903587
Wouldn't be wise. If you gotta carry more you're gonna sweat more and if you sweat more you're going to get dehydrated a lot faster.
Not to mention itd be silly to weigh your troops down with more weight and have them sinking deeper into snow when they travel. Take lessons from the Finns on this one. The lighter and faster your troops are in snowy terrain the more effective they'll be.

>>34903888
Look, im not buying it mr. Putin, look elsewhere.

>>34904088
As my old unit commander used to say, if you sweat, you die.

>>34904101
Dad used to mountain climb in his younger years, told me something similar.

>>34904092
perkele... you are talking out of your ass

>>34903848
probably,.. I guess, well, sort of, I hope

>>34904134
Perkele is finnish...

And you may think whatever you want, but we are a small unit and im not going to give out personal info here

>>34903723
It's flatter than both of those places...it's a steppe. It's know for being hellishly cold consistently.

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>>34903788

why do officers do this and why do they all do it

>>34904122
>>34904101
I hate to be the doubles advocate here guys but, you know these old wise tales are a diamond dozen

>>34904169
cos i am finn...
i didn't ask personal info, merely location to compare

>>34904191
Well right now Im out of base but anbout 10 km from the finnish border.

>>34904191
> - t. Finn

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>>34903599
>>34903597
>>34903606
>>34903848

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>>34904183
>Diamond dozen
It's "Dime-a-dozed" as in so cheap you can buy a dozen for a dime. A dozen diamonds is valuable, and therefore makes no sense in this context.

>>34904202
you're not making this easy are you?
Norrbotten regiment or the artillery next to it?

>>34904203
waht?

>>34904229
Technically Norrbotten, but usually stationed further North.

>>34904237
ok

>>34904183
Hey anon you got the saying wrong but hey maybe you're right or maybe you're wrong. Im neither climbing mountains or serving or living in arctic conditions so i couldn't say for certain if its 100% true or not. All i know is dehydration isn't good and that the finns schooled the Russians in the 30s

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>>34904261
Yea, but how many finns in their 30s do you know?
>checkmate_atheists.jpg

>>34903788
This.

The ECWCS, when used right, is some of the best army equipment ever issued.

Problem is, nobody in charge 1) knows how to use it right and 2) listens to people that do.

Seriously. If one of your SLs fucking taught at NWTC for 3 years, don't argue with him about how the 7 layer system works.

>>34904261
>>34904261
>dehydration isn't good
does drinking coffee and coca-cola count as staying hydrated?
or do i have to drink pure water?
i think i might be dehydrated. i feel like i'm dying

>>34904288
I dont care what you put in your body. If you're a landwhale than keep pumping it full of sugar, i love hearing about fatties dying.

>>34904288
you should drink 5 litres of water

>>34904373
there's no need to be so hateful. I happen to be a very sensitive person you know.

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>>34904088

You dehydrate in cold climate faster because to compensate for cold your body metabolism runs faster as heart pumps faster to keep fingers and toes warm. Also warming you drinks is a thing so your body doesn't use its heat to warm it.

When you move in cold you will sweat, even if you are carrying only light load. So layered clothing is a thing. This is where bodyarmor comes into it's place. Modern body armors are essentially quarter or third inch thick plastic and/or metal/ceramic plates. Those don't breathe or allow sweat to evaporate trough. Staying dry essentially means staying warm. You shouldn't wear bodyarmor unless you expect it to be likely to being useful in immediate future.

>>34904288
>i think i might be dehydrated. i feel like i'm dying

Warm drinks like coffee, tea and warm juices shit. Stuff you can carry in dehydrated form.

>>34904373
>I dont care what you put in your body. If you're a landwhale than keep pumping it full of sugar, i love hearing about fatties dying.

In reality people who do extreme shit like polar expeditions on ski and climb mountains literally eat lots of chocolate and even raw butter as those are some of the most energy dense foods. In cold weather you need lots of calories, if there lots of physical activity involved it means even more calories. In arctic conditions the thing you don't need to carry is water as snow can be melted. Basically everything they eat is either dried, freeze dried or extremely energy dense. And lots of sugar. The amount of butter they use on dried bread and crackers is silly, basically ratio when it comes to weight is above 1:1 for butter.

They aren't landwhales, but probably the most fit people around.

>>34904681
Neat. But im not talking about them being landwhales im talking about that anon personally. That single anon not the Arctic and Mountain climbing types.
Just the one anon. I figured the types who survive in arctic climates would be fit.

>>34903664
Show me where your bos-..., the finance major, touched you

>>34903848
>Can you repeat the question?
You're not the boss of me

>>34903698
Cold Siberia is a meme. It's so fucking muggy in the summer people there pray for winter

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>>34903587
The Finns say yes.

>>34904256
If he's STATIONED further north, he's part of Hemvärnet, the reserves. Which would explain why he wants to be secretive and cool.

If he's part of the army, he may be a Jägare. They are part of Norrbottens Regemente but sometimes go up to Kebnekaise to train in the arctic environment.

None of this is classified.

>fall over
>can't get up
>freeze
fuck yeah

>>34903694
that's when you know you have acended into the
((( T I E R O N E O P E R A T O R )))
stage

>>34903655
>And I don't even live near a lot of blacks
That would explain your illness. Go live in the hood for a couple weeks, you won't have any more jungle fever for the rest of your life.

>>34904223
but is it the hardest dozen?

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>>34903587

>body armor
>somewhere cold?

Ask yourself - why?

Does it breathe if you sweat? Does it insulate especially well? Is it heavy, increasing sweating? Are there better and cheaper options like parkas?

I mean, if a country has money for body armor then they have money for layered winter clothing.

>>34903694
don't know if falling for meme, but isn't pic related an actual delta operator?

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>>34908803
>don't know if falling for meme, but isn't pic related an actual delta operator?

The one and only Vining.

>>34903587
Let me rephrase your question OP.

Would it make sense to carry large amounts of excess weight, that leaches heat away from your body and prevents any other gear from breathing, in a climate where any excess weight will bog you down and slow your travel, meaning you are in the open for longer, and having to struggle harder to move

>>34903587
>>34903627
Actually Russians cut weight wherever possible when they're expecting to actually do shit in arctic conditions. They carry <1L water each as opposed to 5 in summer, and even carry a good portion less ammo, because as people have noted, extreme cold is tiring, dehydrating, and dangerous.
Less water in dehydrating might sound contradictory, but since you're surrounded by frozen water, its not worth extra water weight making you sweat more and use it less efficiently when you can just melt some.

There's a video somewhere of some Russian Chechen vet explaining it, but its in Russian

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>>34908827
They get some bomb rations when they have to go lightweight too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FIDxkl9_yw
>440 g
>1420 Kcal
>Looks tasty

>>34908965
>posting a Steve MRE review
Nice!