Should I buy a hi point or save up that much more for a radom

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>>34893855

>>34893855
If you want something that'll last forever, save another $100 and get something like a S&W 5906, all steel and built like my dick.
You can even get flush fitting 17rd MecGar magazines for them that are super high quality (though it'll cost a bit).

>>34895255
arent those $500

>>34895255
Don't listen to this fag, buy P64

>>34895323
Depends, I've seen them for $300 flat.

>>34895348
The P64 is really not that good.

Which would you prefer

>a 20 pound trigger pull

Or

>ridiculously topheavy slide

>>34895538
Topheavy.

>>34895694
Then get p64

>>34896070
Doesn't it have a horrible trigger?

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Just get a real Makarov, not its downy cousin.

get hi point, radom isn't enough of an improvement desu

>>34896100
fuck you

>>34896851
The P64 is reheated garbage.

>>34896919
wanna fight? Its for poor people anon

>>34893855
at least it's not daikatana for the pc

>>34896984
I'd rather buy a Rock Island M206 than a P64

>>34893855
/k/ seems to hate the p64 equating it to garbage. I have one so i'll tell you about it. It's in 9x18makarov which may or may not be available in your area. So prepare to order online. It's 6+1 magazine is underwhelming but the mags are insanely tiny. The magazines are expensive. The gun itself is well built. A steel slide and frame. The straight blowback design lends itself to harsh recoil especially because of how light and compact it is. It has more in common with a ppk than the makarov I think. Loaded chamber indicator. Accurate shooting gun. It's far more interesting than a piece of shit hi-point. After market for this gun is good.
It is a DA/SA pistol. /k/ always shits on the trigger but that's because most of /k/ is noguns with no experience to way in. The single action trigger is great. Not gritty or mushy. Expect it to be like any decent hinge trigger. The double action is heavy but you can always upgrade that. If you rather, you could just put your finger lower on the trigger and the leverage allows you to better shoot the heavy double action trigger. It does have a decocker. Chromelined bore. Ask me anything.

>>34897046
Not OP, but I was wondering if their profile is thin and small enough to be pocketable. Also, if there was a .380 conversion kit so I can buy much more common ammunition. I think google might answer the second question, though.

>>34897041
why? and the RIA is more expensive

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>>34897041
Why not a hi point?
Why does everyone shit on it? It seems really good option

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>>34897103
It's as wide as my thumb. Very thin. Some .380 p64's do exist.

>>34897133
so you're saying dont buy it? Why are you so MAD

Save up.

If you can get $400 befor september 15th you can het a walther ppq 9mm via rebate.

Ir for about $380 you can get a walther creed 9mm.

>>34897361
>just save money!

God forbid OP needs that gun before he can get enough money to get a "gun enthusiast" approved gun

Get a CZ52. I got one for less than $100. It's cheaper than a Hi Point but it will last longer.

>>34897125
Hi-Points problems are ENTIRELY based on the magazine (besides the .45, it also has the finish holding it back). The magazines are poorly made and are of terrible quality, single stack so you don't have the capacity for the size... They'd be better if they fixed the damn mags.

>>34897133
That's pretty thin. I'll go grab one soon when I got the dosh. Should be a better pocket gun than a 3" .38 special.

>>34897404
so get a 45!

>>34897317
MAD? I'm saying get it if you want it. Just be ready for it's quirks. I don't mind them at all.

>>34897462
I mean, you do you. I already got a Ruger P89 as my duty gun. Be warned, the finish on the .45ACP Hi-Point does make it somewhat ammo sensitive, so I'd suggest if you have the time and ability to redo the finish, do so. If not, just be wary of what feeds and works and what doesn't. At the end of the day, both are Direct-Blowback handguns so the manual of arms is pretty similar.

I'd summarize it like this: Keeping it at home or in the glovebox - Hi-Point. Got your CCW or you can carry LEGALLY - P64. Then again, just save up a bit more and you'd realize you open a whole new world of guns for just $60-100 more.

>>34897404
I'd trust my life to the p64.

>>34897582
For a while I trusted my life to a Bryco .380. Any gun is better than no gun, but always try to make an educated decision. The only two downsides I see to the P64 are magazine costs and ammunition availability/diversity. A Hi-Point can load and fire basically all available retail loads of common cartridges.

>>34897653
Of course. The cartridge itself is not ideal but like you said, better than nothing.

>>34897404
>Hi Points are good! It's the magazine that's the problem!
no one makes Hi Point aftermarket mags so you're still fucked.

>>34897671
Oh yeah, and the mag release is on the magazines if I recall correctly, so... Yeah, I'd say lean for the P64 more-over now.

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>>34897046
>>34897557

OP here
I think I'll save up for the p64, for some reason hi points get me scared and I like the compact p64 in terms of convenience, also it just seems way better in reliability

i mean whats the point in gun being cheap if you have to buy a new one

is 9x18 mak that hard to get? I live in an urban area so maybe I'll have better luck in terms of gun stores having a variety

>>34897727
Which state do you live in? You can most likely order the ammunition online and have it sent directly to your door.

>>34897739

South Florida, Miami area specifically

>>34897727
It'a typically 1 or 2 cents more expensive than 9x19 in terms of steel case plinking ammo. Some areas have it, others don't, just depends. I buy mine online.

>>34897743
That explains why you want a thin gun to carry.

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>>34897743
Awesome West Palm Bro here. Yeah, you can easily just order ammunition online and have it sent directly to your door.

Just make sure to get your CCW permit before you carry. And BTW it's completely legal to have a loaded firearm in your glove box in your car if you're on the go. Just remember to lock your car and make it not look like something nice is in there if you have one.

Ever head northbound, I know a couple of good ranges in Ft Lauderdale and WPB, cheap entry and great variety of firearms if you decide to delve deeper when you get the cash. Best of luck fellow Floridian.

>>34893855
>should i buy a shitty 150 dollar gun
>i want it it last forever

Kill yourself OP. You're too retarded to live

>>34897046
I put such light springs in mine and removed the main spring spacer that when I fire the last round it shoots the mag out. I kind of dig it

>>34897671
>>34897404
The feed lips can be tweaked with pliers and it'll work fine.

>>34895505
P64s are indeed garbage. I am glad I sold mine. Just buy a mak

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>>34897046
Pic related. My p64. It sucks ass. Buy a makarov op.

>>34897125
I'm actually fine with hipoint if that's all you can afford or you just want some insurance without making it a hobby.

I will say the handguns feel terrible (to me). But I'm seriously considering one of their carbines for plinking.

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>>34899834
Their carbines are actually way better, probably for the fact that you have the multiple points of contacts (stock, grip, handguard), making the chunky design of the action less obvious and awkward.

They're not fantastic, but for their price, they are a quite good deal. Used to only have lowcap magazines but a while ago they came out with 20rd magazines (which are singlestack, so they are pretty long, but they work).
Biggest drawback is generally limited capacity (not as bad these days), and the stock feeling cheap and chintzy. If you wanted to, you could look for an old ATI thumbhole stock which makes it look sort of like a Beretta carbine. They haven't been made for a while though so expect having to find one used or something. They feel a million times more solid and nice, but know that the ATI stock can actually void the generous Hi-Point warranty.

High Tower were supposed to be designing a bullpup stockset, but I haven't heard anything about it for several months. Looked a bit long and awkward.

>>34899381
>>34899377
Fuck off

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>>34901016
>mad poorfag with ego invested in poverty pistol

>>34901036
>just buy a Makarov
It's absurd advice

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>>34901087
Buying a makarov over a p64 is very sound advice. It is easily twice as good. You goofed by buying the inferior gun.

>>34901208
And it's way more expensive so what's your point

>>34901220
That p64s are worthless and maks are worth the $300 they are going for right now.

And a hipoint is a better broke dick gun than a p64

>>34901235
Uh-huh, sure kid

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>>34901250
Post your collection besides the shitbox p64 you are so steadfastly defending.

Every single one of these has been in the same style (mtm) cases. They are all mine. Including that piece of shit worthless p64.

>>34901308
blah blah blah,
tell it to a tree kid

>>34901327
Sorry ass nogunz confirmed. Must suck being 16 or yuropoor.

OP don't waste your time on a shitty little p64. Get a 9mm or step up to a mak

>>34901342

>poor people shouldn't have guns!

>>34893855
Get a hipoint. You can treat it like shit and it will always work. You'll get better guns along the way and you'll neglect it and even laugh about how block and stupid it is, but you'll always know it's there

>>34901367
Not at all what I said. I said your money is better spent on a hipoint than a pos64.

And if you are dead set on slavshit 9x18 get a mak. The p64 is trash.

Your reading skills suggest you are a college age liberal.

I'd get a Ruger 9mm subcompact if I didn't already have a mak. Great gun if you want something concealable.

>hipoint sucks, the magazines are so bad
Fix the feed lips, sand the feedramp and bend the mag spring a little bit and your gun will last for fucking ever
>Needing to do all of these steps
When I say forever, I mean, whoops I accidently napalmed my gun, ran it through an industrial strength shredder, ran it over, had my dog eat and shit it out, and accidently loaded the wrong caliber in it and it fires as good as the day I bought it. They're gross nasty ugly guns but hipoints CEO must be some kind of voodoo witch doctor. My retarded friend who NEVER EVER EVER cleans or lubricates his guns has brought his hipoint out for years and it's the oy gun he has zero trouble with

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>>34897785
M8 the p64s run about that and are made by radom, the same company that made this

They have horrendous DA trigger pull that can be fixed by a wolf spring kit that is less than $20 shipped to your door and mags will run around 40 dollars a pop.

But they are cold steel slav shit and made not to break and will last just as well as any other quality american firearm so long as they are maintained. Especially since they were designed to eat steel cased shit.


Tl;dr low price because surplus and not high demand. Not lack of quality.

>>34901437
Not to mention they have an actual lifetime warranty

>>34893855
>save up for a P64
or or or
save up for a gun that isn't garbage

M&P Shield
LCP
Hi Point (I have the JCP, get the C9 or JHP)
>>34897404
When ProMags are better than OEM, your mags are bad.
Hi Point mags are bad.
Either modify 1911 mags to fit the Hi Point or buy the 1911 mag catch for the Hi Point so you can use unmodified 1911 mags. They work for both 40 and 45.
If you really want a P64 and you have a C&R I'll sell you one with the leather holster and an extra mag.

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>>34901441
>M8 the sigmas run about that and are made by s&w, the same company that made this

Your logic is fucking dumb.

>>34901459
Now he has another choice, a good revolver.


Why is it dumb, these are both good choices? Especially since the p64 is 6+1 so not much different in capacity anyway.

If you cant afford an M&P9 or a Glock. Pick up a 2nd Gen Sigma. They are actually good guns despite all the memeing. Copys of Glocks in a good way and all the issues have been worked out for a long time. Can be had for about $300

>>34901492
I'm not even sure what to say to any of that other than

Are you fucking lost?

>>34901437
Post a video of this being done with every caliber

Why is everyone hating on the p64 so hard?
Does it have it's quirks? Yes, its cheap
Is it unshootable? No
Is it unreliable? No

The guy shitting on them doesn't even give a reason other than "its bad"

>>34901692
The grips are too small
The recoil is pointlessly sharp for a dinky round
The capacity sucks compared to comparable modern 9s
9x18 loading options are minimal
It's heavy
Magazines are retarded expensive
The makarov is a markedly better gun for similar money in the same caliber
You have to spend money to make the trigger tolerable, however it does it at the expense of hard primers potentially not firing (a real concern on cheap slavshit ammo)
I own one, so I have real world experience that most of the defenders don't (just spouting shit off of a sootch video)
By the time you find one online, get a couple extra mags, grips that don't suck, and a holster for it you could buy a shield or memefield for the same or less money

>>34901740
There's nothing wrong with the grips
Recoil is fine
>hurr 9x18 doesnt hurt
>its heavy
nothing worn with heft, I prefer it
>magazings too much
make your own
makraov is "better" in that """""gun enthusiasts""""""" circle jerk over it

>>34901448
whats jhp
are you really recommending hi point as the better gun

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>>34901756
You either don't even own one, or you're such a poorfag you have no other frame of reference

It's a horrible little gun, especially compared to it's cousin the mak.

>>34901740
>bad grips
Nigga that can be fixed with tape
>magazines are too expensive
if only it had a great aftermarket
oh wait...
>holster
>implying it needs a holster

>>34901769
Because a hi point is a better way to spend your money.

>>34901818
What makes you think that?

>>34901839
Warranty. 9mm. Aftermarket. You'll actually shoot it because it's not a wretched little subcompact.

Plus Benjamin paintjob

>>34901852
You're so fucking angry dude. You can't argue and get your point across like this
>WRETCHED!
Does it work? Yes
Does it break? No.
There you go.

>>34893855
will you stop avatarfagging

>>34901863
Pretty sure my point was made in >>34901740.

If op takes the advice of a bunch of noguns over the only person to actually prove ownership of a little shitbox p64, so be it.

I'm far from angry. Just funny to watch you idiots squirm defending your turd gun

>>34901863
You could say the same about the p320

>>34901899

Again, its not a bad gun . It's a cheap gun, for the price it's great.

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OP - If you are looking to get a gun and don't have much money don't get a 45. Get a 9mm. Average cost of 45 is $15-20 for a box of 50. 9mm is $10-15 for 50. Doesn't sound like much of a difference but you get to shoot quite a bit more.

You can find better guns for cheap. Check pawn shops around the end of the month. Low ball them until you get a bite. A used but higher quality pistol still beats a hiPoint. Check for LE trade-ins.

>>34901950
the 45 hi point is just a better gun though

>>34901769
C380 - 380 compact
C9 - 9 compact
JCP - 40 full size
JHP - 45 full size
and yes, the Hi Point is the better gun
>>34901839
excellent warranty > no warranty
9x17/9x19 > 9x18
drop safe > not drop safe with safety off
$150 < $250
cocked and locked > safety is decocker
button release > heel release

The only upside to the P64 is C&R eligibility, and other curios and relics BTFO the P64. Hell, I own a couple pre-1899 antiques that BTFO the P64, to include my 38 S&W Iver Johnson.

>>34901530
A little, dumb me basically didnt read your comment saw the picture of a revolver, and assumed you were talking about one.


Although i haven't seen sub 200 dollar sigmas.

>>34902013
how about you redo the cheap guns thing then if p64 is so bad

>>34901437
I think it's because they're incredibly simple and chunky guns, thicc everywhere and has no locking.

If it wasn't illegal I bet they'd make open bolt semi-autos as well to make the guns even cheaper.

>>34895255
>built like anons dick
I don't think I want something that small and prone to failure.

>>34901441
The VIS is actually very good though, while the P64 is MEH at best, even with work and springs.

>>34901459
The later Sigmas are actually way less dogshit, but the line was replaced by the (comparatively) much nicer and better made SD9VE, SD40VE, etc.
Kind of like how Colt finally managed to work out some of the more horrible kinks of the abortion that was the Double Eagle, but the damage was done and nobody wanted it after that (and it wasn't really that good anyway).

>>34902334
because the market is in serious flux right now and it'd be out of date in two weeks

Shield 9 (with rebate)
LCP
P3AT
P32
P11
DB9

a couple dozen other models that I'm not going to share to keep prices low, but if you can figure them out good for you

>>34902393
I get +7" rockhard, baby.

>>34897671
Or you can send the mags back to Hi-Point for free replacements, or you can just work them over yourself, it's EZ/PZ

I wanted a mak but the bulgarian ones aren't cali legal and i've always had an affinity for slav shit. So i went with the p64. By today's standards it does suck, but I appreciate weird and quirky firearms enough. Given the chance between a Makarov and p64, i'd take the Makarov. Some heft is better because the round is snappy. Still like the gun though.

>>34902510
>Same gun from different manufacturer is non approved.

I'm sorry anon

>>34902621
Exactly. They're not considered C&R here. If it were an East German Mak or a Russian Mak, i could get it. I'm sure as hell not paying $700 for a mak. At that price i'll just buy a prewar Walther PP.

>>34902621
California would probably be a much nicer place to live if you hanged absolutely everyone in the state government, banned their relatives from politics, and started over.

>>34902738
I can't see myself moving from the state because all of my family lives here and I have strong ties to them. I just try to make due with a shitty situation anon. Believe me when I say that I wish they could just fuck off to Hawaii and we could start again. We'd be a powerhouse without these commies.

>>34902738
I agree, but honestly most places would be.

>>34902738
The whole country, Dems and GOPers alike

>>34902444
>any of these
>cheap

>>34902957
transfer and shipping is $100 anon
markup and tax is more than $100
you aren't buying a good handgun under $200 outside of a stroke of luck

>>34897727
A smart thing to do would be to call local gunstores you intend to go to and ask if they have any in stock, or check their websites.

>>34903010
You're insane anon
That's just flat out not true

>>34903080
Transfers at my lgs are $100.

>>34903203
So you're saying I should get a gun on credit and fuckin kill myself? i'm too poor ! yay!

>>34903203
Your LGS are omnijews.

>>34901950
>pawn
What to look out for when buying form pawn?

>>34903203
>>34903216
That's insane, but seriously: $40+ transfer is normal unless you live in Buttfuck, Nowhere.

You can expect to add $50 to $100 to the cost of any internet firearm purchase, which halves the $100 you have to spend. The cheapest guns are only cheap on C&R, which is $30 for just the license.

>>34903818
It's just $20 at my local FFL here in Seattle
Shipping for the last gun I bought was $15.
The same gun was $100 more expensive at an LGS and the online shop had the finish I wanted.
Online > Local
All LGS should have a website with all their inventory, I would probably buy more.

>>34903850
>LGS here in Seattle
I seriously hope you mean just outside of Seattle, also
>thumbprints for guns
>fingerprints for ccw
>no machine guns
lol

>>34903881
FFL is in Seattle, not the gun stores. This particular FFL is not a dedicated gun store.
You don't need thumbprints for guns here, who told you that?

>>34893855
As a lover of Radom and a collector of Makarovs I must tell you that the p64 is by far the worst. Get a CZ82 or a p83 (the pistol Polish gunsmiths came up with fixing all the complaints about the p64).

>>34903203
>Transfers at my lgs are $100.
Please take your business somewhere that doesn't scalp you.

>>34903911
>just
>buy
>a
>more
>expensive
>gun

When will this meme die? When people ask about 1998 Hyundai you don't hear people saying "buy a 2008 Corolla man"

>>34904102
What does a P64 typically go for?

>>34904274
$250

>>34904514
Yeah I'd rather a Hi-Point in .380 or a RIA M206 for less.

>>34904742
>m206
>less than a hi point
nigga what?
desu if you're paying hi point you might as well go bigger caliber because the difference between them all is not great

>>34904772
RIA .38 revolvers are easy to find for $200, Hi-Points are easy to find for less.

>>34905452
huh

>>34905876
Where the fuck are you finding Hi-Point pistols for $250? Let alone more than that?

Anything more than $175 for a brand new Hi-Point pistol is generally thought of as overcharging.
The RIA M200/M206 revolvers typically retail around $250, but they often crop up at around $200

why not a bersa thunder cc?

>>34905923
Those can be passable (inspect in person), but don't they go in the $300 bracket?

Designwise, I think they're actually a bit better than the Walther PPK.

>>34905921
You read the post wrong

>>34895255
>The 5906 is a full-sized, double/single-action, staggered-column magazine, 9×19mm pistol.
>staggered-column magazine
the fuck do they mean? no double-stack?

>>34905947
http://www.gunbroker.com/Bersa-Thunder-380%2FBrowse.aspx?Keywords=Bersa+Thunder+380&BuyNowOnly=1&Sort=4&Tab=2 300 is a bit high for a bersa.

>>34906175
It's double stack, how else would they fit 14 in there, let alone 17 with modern magazines?

>>34904514
Dude for that he could get the only good Taurus, the PT111 Gen 2

I just bought a hi point 45! Yay!

>>34907199
>good Taurus
>anything but their Beretta clones with replaced factory mags

>>34907400
Good, now buy tula ammo to your hearts content.

>>34908525
can we play??
i wanna have fun! its my first gun! wooooooooo!

>>34907082
Ok. Mister. Shekelstein of Smith & Wesson, please give me a link for you have sold me on your excellent pistol. I am dead-serious, give me a fuckin' link I want to buy one! NOW!

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>>34908556
Smith & Wesson stopped making them in the 90's, as the Glock fad fully took over, but you can still find them around, they were extremely popular and S&W sold a ton of them, so they're easy to find and spare parts are plentiful. They're pretty hefty for 9mm, so recoil is actually rather soft.

Originally they'd hold 14rds flush, but MecGar of Italy makes a flush fitting 17rd magazine, so you can have contemporary capacity. They cost more, of course, but it's something I would suggest to look at, at some point or another, very high quality.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/682514086
Here's a used one starting at $350

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/683378251
Here's one starting at $200, four days left.
If you're lucky you could actually snatch this one for a real bargain.

These are only on Gunbroker, you can find them on other auction sites, and they crop up in brick n' mortar stores a lot. If you find one with a really ratty finish, you could try to haggle for it, then some day pay to have it cerakoted, that ceramic shit, super strong finish that'll make it look like new again.