why didnt anybody tell me these 1851 navy revolvers were so cheap

>>34852568
because the cheap ones are meh. brass frames stretch out if you shoot it regularly. steel frames are 300+. 300 gets you a bunch of used modern revolvers

>>34852568
Do you live under a rock? BP threads are all over /k/. They're not as big as /ARG/ because it's more of a niche interest but it's no secret.

>>34852596
You can snag steel 1858s and 1851s on cabelas all day for $200-$250. I'd still say those are priced competitively to modern guns to remain an option.

>>34852614
saucerino on the steel 1851s?

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>>34852568
My Uberti 1860 colt was 300 and I have absolutely zero regrets. Most fun and relaxing to shoot gun I own, and it's reliable enough to where I can fan the hammer like Clint Eastwood.

Generally speaking, the only people who own, or at least post on /k/ about, these things are convicted felons who want something for self defense, but can't own a real gun.

Either that, or cowboy autists.

>>34853046
nah man its all under 21 dumbasses who want a handgun or even worse want it for ccw. felons just spend that 150-300 on a highpoint glock40 from jamal. they dont fall for the blackpowder meme.

>>34852642
Literally just check cabelas' website

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>>34853046
>>34853127

I bought mine because I was bored of my cartridge firing guns. For some reason, the more involved and laborious the gun is to use, the more fun and relaxing it is for me to shoot. I very much recommend it.

Pic basically related

>>34852642
>>34852614

Ubertis are better than Pietta or Traditions (they're the same thing in this context, in that Traditions has theirs made by Pietta). Just hold one of each, and you'll feel the difference.

>>34853046
I don't need a license for these?

>>34853046
Nah, they're really fun and cheap. Already own a Pietta 1851, pretty sure my next gun will be a Hawken rifle.

Well, also, you forgot former Boy Scouts, because we got to shoot black powder and it was fucking boss.

>>34853220
I'm aware uberti is much higher quality. I'm just saying piettas are worth the price and not bad guns by any means

Is there any difference between the "london" models and the rest other than the material used?
Does it even make a difference?

.36 or .44?

>>34852647
I like blackpowder rifles far more than pistols. I think its because i feel like i do more shooting with the rifle, im sure its not but just reloading the rifle is quicker than reloading the pistol.

>>34853191
I did m8.

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>>34853046
cowboy autist checking in

>>34852568

I got one of these from my grandfather but havent fired it yet.

Does anybody have a good source of info regarding how to actually use it? I have no idea what Im doing and dont want to blow anything up.

>>34852647
My dad's friend has a bunch of Uberti stuff. That shit is really nice. the colt like yours is actually nicer and more well made than one of the originals i got to only handle once.

>>34855001
Watch Cap&Ball videos on YouTube. You will start thinking in his Hungarian accent after a while. Very comfy videos too.

>>34852568
i tried to tell you that one time, but you screamed at me because i interrupted you jerking it to traps.

>>34853239
federally they're not legal firearms. Your state law may say otherwise.

>>34852568
Don't listen to retards who tell you a brass frame will stretch. 24 grains of black behind a .36 caliber lead ball is NOT enough recoil to deform a brass frame. If you buy one and want it run like a watch, be prepared for some work. The timing on the hand is almost always shoddy, there's no polish on the internals, and the nipples are almost always sized for some random Italian percussion cap. Be prepared to break it down and spend some time stoning, polishing, and filing contact points inside the frame. You'll likely need a new hand within 250 rounds through the gun and that will require hand fitting. Lastly, you clean a BP revolver every single time you shoot it, and you can't use the same solvents and oils as your other guns. You do not want ANY petroleum based products on a BP gun as it will bind with the fouling and harden it into a lump of coal.

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>>34853046
I got mine because pic related.

>>34853046
>reading this post
>you've got the wrong khajit.jpg
>get to the end
I see now, I am the fudd.

>>34853127
What is cowboy action?

There are some things you can do to improve your Colt Navy, including installing some SliX-Shot aftermarket nipples and smoothing out the action a little. This guy has some good videos on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTGjm3IDYw

>>34852568
I wanna get one, because every time I look at one, I get reminded of Firefly and how the show used dressed up Civil War style firearms for the show.

>>34856957
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/
Don't forget your accoutrements. Having a flask and a sized spout is a god send, as is having a capper.

>>34852568
Good luck making or finding bullets for them. More so the former.

>>34857033
Are you retarded? You can buy 100 .36 caliber lead balls for under 20 dollars. EVERY company that makes bullet molds for ANY caliber makes .36 ball molds that drop 6-10 at a time. All you need is pure lead that you can buy as lead shot from cabellas in 10 pound bags for 35 bucks. Are you retarded?

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im 19 can i get one of these for CCW? whats a really cheap handgun i can buy?

>>34857085
>im 19 can i get one of these. . .
yes
>for CCW?
Probably not, they're usually considered to be firearms most places for all purposes aside from purchasing and possession.

>whats a really cheap handgun i can buy?
Depends on your state, most states don't prohibit 18 year olds from buying a handgun on the secondary market via Armslist or the like though.

>>34854954
>cabelas.com
>search 1851 steel revolver
>full page of results between 200-250
you sure buddy?

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>>34852568
>navy
>44 caliber
>brass
>fucking NAVY.
REEEEEEE.

>>34857058
It's not only about the lead, it's about the powder and caps. If you don't already know, that is where the money starts to bleed. And who knows how the wads were formed or found. It takes real tradition to know most of these things, not by who sell to you. Otherwise there would be more incidents with people blowing up their relics with cheaper smokeless powder if anyone knew how to reload such a firearm.

>>34852568
Annoying to use
Can't, shouldn't leave loaded for extended period of time.
Fragile
Underpowered
Thick to carry

They're horrible edc guns and they lack the power of a modern 44mag.

>>34858169
Dude what are you on about? Blackpowder is cheap as dirt, and wads and caps are found in literally everystore that would have a shelf for blackpowder. All in all its probably at most ~15 cpr, thats cheaper than fancy .22

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1858 Richland .44 cal army
2, 1858 ASM .44 cal army
1858 Pietta .44 cal army
1851 Hawes .44 cal navy
1847 Walker .44 cal
CVA Wolf .50 cal rifle
Late 1800s Belgium trade rifle

I love all my gals.

>>34853512
If I recall correctly, the London models used iron for the trigger guard and strap. Other than that, they were more or less the same. Keep in mind that if you're buying a reproduction, no matter who makes it, it will never be as good or well made as the originals. Colt added all kinds of neat little mechanical extras that modern manufacturers just don't do.

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>>34859481

I also make my own black powder, mold bullits and caps.

>>34852568
Question:
Can a Canadian non resident buy one to have at their property in the states?

>>34858793
A 5 pound keg of BP at 45 dollars is 35,000 grains. Assuming STOUT .44 loads from a revolver (and keeping math easy) 35 grains per charge gives you 1,000 shots. Let's assume that lead balls are about the same price, you cast your own which is easy enough and you buy lead from a local source, we're at 90 dollars per 1,000 rounds. Add in caps, which are 6 dollars per hundred, we're at 150 dollars per 1,000 rounds fired, or 15 cents per shot. This is less than 9mm Luger, the cheapest round to fire that isn't .22lr. Cost for a mild .36 caliber load, I.E. a navy load of 24 grains, reduces cost to roughly 12 cents a round, which is the same price as match grade .22.

In short, jump off a bridge you dumb hack.

>>34859694
Yes. They can even be shipped to your door. Any muzzle loader can be sent through post directly to you, no background check necessary. Have fun, neighbor.

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>>34852568
You can also have pre-1899 cartrige revolvers and rifles shipped to your door no ?s asked

>>34852642
walked into cabela's bought one and walked out like it was a pack of cigarettes, just got to be an adult, that's the only requirement.

>>34852647
I have the pietta new model army. I have to take the mainspring out and bend it back if I fan the hammer, still pretty fun though.

>>34855001
as long as you don't put smokeless in it you really can't blow it up.

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Is this a do-able CC?

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Or would this be better?

>>34852568

brass is bullshit, and the 1851 is annoying to take down and clean. bp is also two bitches to clean off.

but fun with a kirst konverter.

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>>34852568
get on my level nigger
>colt dragoon repro for $125 used

>>34853205
>the more involved and laborious the gun is to use, the more fun and relaxing it is for me to shoot.
thats pretty much the essence of a hobby, right there

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What about this one?

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>>34864338
only if you double wield them

>>34861860

I had heard about chain firing and had been nervous to try the gun without really knowing what Im doing.

>>34855278
Thanks friend, Ill check it out.

>>34864412
Probably no less drop safe than a sig

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>>34856913
>that redesign

>>34852568
Walmart ARs cost less

>>34864395
Not everyone can live near depressed divorcees

I'd get into black powder if I had my own place to shoot or better access to better ranges.

It seems super fun, like apparently it won't kill you if you packed the entire barrel full of powder or something. Just not a great idea.

>>34852647

The big screw gets loose on mine like it does on yours too. Surprised you didn't notice it when you took the picture. Exact same model.

>>34855042
To be fair after a couple hundred years t would probably feel worse than the colt

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>>34864395
My 47 for a C note.

>>34858169
I really do think you are retarded as well. Post some proofs you're not retarded

>>34864493
Chain firing won't hurt you, it'll just give you a good scare.the "secret" to avoid a chain fire is a proper patch in front of the powder. You don't want a cloth patch like a rifle, you want basically a felt wad that fits tight in the chamber. If the wad itself is dry, apply some lube on top of the wad then seat the ball on top of it. A proper wad ensures there is no powder on the sides of the chamber and helps seal the powder from the next chamber. You can buy prelubed wads that make things easier, cleaner, and much more reliable.

>>34852596
is this true?

>>34867868
Brass framed .44's will deform with stout loads. Brass framed .36's can be filled to the tippy top with powder and the frame will be fine.

I cannot deal with grips like that.
That shit is beyond unergonomic.
What were they thinking?

>>34861811
In Europe, yes. I have no idea in your country.

>>34868042
Handguns are meant to be shot with one hand while the other holds reins or a sword.

>>34868042
T. Someone who has never fired a traditional revolver.
Put one in each hand and you will understand

>>34853046
Or Europeans.

>>34864524
But are they as fun to load and shoot? And are they as cheap to feed?

>>34868220
Or people who are under 21 and want a handgun and didnt understand the laws until it was 2 days in the mail.

>>34852568
Can I get one in 357/9mm?

>>34864524
>AR's are less than 220 dollars
what fucking planet are you from?

>>34852568
Tbh bp guns are not as fun as you think they are.
Shooting them is fun as hell but i get on average 1-2 misfires per cylinder so yeah... accuracy is good up to 25-30 meters and cleaning the guns is terrible. I spend 1,5h on cleaning my Uberti Cattleman.
But i still enjoy them because shooting the .44 with 28 grains of powder makes everybody look at you and it makes you feel like you are firing a cannon.

>>34868283
they're muzzle loaders. They load a lead ball in either .36 or .44 caliber.

>>34868417
Whoa hoa there, bud. 1 to 2 misfires PER CYLINDER? You're doing something devastatingly wrong. I get maybe one misfire every fifty rounds, and that's usually due to a cap getting dislodged. It takes me ten hours with a fucking garden hose to clean my revolver. I say again, you are doing something WRONG. hard stop.

>>34868438
>ten hours
im a retard. That's ten minutes.

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>>34853046
Nah, convicted felons just buy guns illegally.

Black powder is for noguns European countries, black powder enthusiasts, and those that can't legally own a gun, but want to stay legal (e.g. mental illness)

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>>34858744
Why the hell would anyone consider a black powder handgun as an EDC choice to begin with?

It's about fun

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>>34865413
>Post some proofs you're not retarded

I don't own any black powder.

>>34853239

They are literally TOYS, dude.

You can own tons of shit that can kill people without a license. Spear guns, crossbows, chemicals that make WW1 toxic gas, the list goes on.

Dat loooooong reload lol

Besides most every mass murderer or serial killer is manipulative enough to get modern guns or squire licensing or whatever and nothing stops someone from straight up stealing a battle rifle or making full auto modifications.

>>34868475
>Nah, convicted felons just buy guns illegally.
Normal felons maybe. /k/ felons are shut-in cat rapists and the like.

Cowboy Autist here, just got finished trimming the mainspring in my pietta 1858, looking forward to taking it to the range. Also for those who are interested in getting into blackpowder, you know how when you're shooting for a while the smell of burning powder gets into your nose and it's pretty enjoyable for a bit? Black powder smoke smells like a campfire or a barbecue or something. Maximum over-comfy.
>>34853512
>.36 or .44?
I have a .44 Pietta 1858 and even it feels pretty anemic to shoot, I would side away from the .36 for that reason. That said if you have small hands the .36 might help you shoot more reliably.

>>34856948
Think of 3-gun competitions but everyone is dressed as a cowboy and only uses period correct guns, 2 revolvers, 1 pistol caliber carbine, 1 shotgun

>cowboy larping competition thats bretty fun

>>34868416
I dunno about $220 but I just saw an ar lower from some random company nobody cares about for $49.95

>>34859759
YOU LIE
LiAr!!!
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>>34871379
Due to the variety of regulations controlling shipments outside the U.S., MidwayUSA is unable to process international orders

>>34869786
>the smell of burning powder

Dude, this right here. There is nothing better on a crisp fall day than plinking innawoods with black powder weapons.

>>34852568
I own 4 of them. I bought my first one at 19. They have a really niche use but they are fun. Bigger problem is finding a place to shoot them as wind is not a friend to blackpowder.

>>34859481
>.44 cal
>Navy
DELET

>>34856900
>You do not want ANY petroleum based products on a BP gun as it will bind with the fouling and harden it into a lump of coal.
This. Don't make the same mistake that I made : use vegetal oil.

>>34853239
They're impractical as fuck compared to modern firearms and anyone with an iq over 50 could make blackpowder and a shooting stick for about 30$. Regulating them would be a waste of time and money. You can still shoot stuff with them though. People were killing each other with these for a century.

FYI, you can buy inoffensive and easy to install cartridge conversion cylinders for basically all of these old black powder guns from .44 Dragoons to .36 Navies from Taylor and Co. I think.

Only issue is that any given cylinder replacement tends to cost as much as the gun it goes to, so that doubles the price, but it can be worth it. Gotta be careful about certain loads though.

>>34873304
http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/accessories/conversion-cylinders.html

Yeah I was right, Taylor's and Company.

> Use only cowboy ammunition that does not exceed 850 FPS; never use hot or jacketed ammunition. Cowboy ammunition is produced by most manufacturers. No frame modification is needed, although minor fitting may be required due to gun manufacturer variations.

>>34857003
Not him, but thanks for the link. My powder flask is non adjustable for 30 grains, and I can conserve powder if I shoot just 20 grains in my .44

>>34868438
This. My replica Colt is the easiest and fastest to clean gun I own. Black powder being difficult is a fucking meme

>>34873325
>>34873304
I've thought about this, but it truly seems like a bigger pain in the ass than keeping it the way it is.

>>34852568
can't you just get conversions for these too?

>>34873954
Yes, but they're inconvenient and very inefficient for a criminal, so it's not regulated.

>>34859514
sauce on said extras
Like just finishing work, or entire parts?

I have a real one thats a family heirloom and it started my addiction

>>34853220
>>34853476
Hello 1990's! Uburti was bought by Beretta holdings, and some years ago they put Uburti under the control of Benelli management. They shifted some production to Benelli shops, consolidated some other manufacturing, and went on a cost-cutting program that pretty much ruined quality.

Meanwhile, Pietta has been implementing a modernization program with emphasis on CNC. They've also gotten rid of the "Pietta tail" and new production 1851's feature the classic grip shape that once you hold, you feel like you've always held it...

>>34874443
Jelly

An original colt navy and a Mexican SAA copy are on my bucket list

>>34852614
If they cost that much at Cabellas then it is a certainty that they can be found for at least $25 (if not more) less at 20 other places.

>>34874562
Tell that to my Uberti I just bought in December.

>>34873939
Not everybody is cut out for casting their own ammunition. Some folks want their cowboy shootin' without the other toils of cowboy life.

>>34875176
Pre made lead balls are cheap..

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>>34856913
excellent taste friend, the new anime is coming soon

>>34861811
yes

I'm seasoning a .44 colt navy right now, soaking in a bag of froglube.

>>34875344
and Earl's Butterballs lead ball lube

for the lead balls i got.

>>34859654
Seems like that would take a lot of time. Do you do it to save money? I haven't looked into blackpowder but for some reason I assumed ammo-wise it would be cheaper than cartridges; especially in bulk.

>>34871379
You could get it shipped to your property in the states, or buy one from a store while in the states. (assuming your property is not in a cucked state)

>>34852568
>>34852568
they get cheaper. wait for the next sale at cabelas and pick one up for $149.99 plus free shipping and stack a cabelas $20 off $100 coupon and use 8% cashback from AJ

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>>34876375
Damn, thank you greatest ally.

>>34876565
just keep your eyes peeled, cabales likes to put them on sale about every other month. check on labor day weekend, if not, thanksgiving for sure if you can wait that long

also the god tier way to do it is buy discounted gift cards ahead of time, keep your eyes peeled here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Cabelas-Gift-Card-FREE-Mail-Delivery-/291964394846?hash=item43fa6f1d5e:g:sOMAAOSwEzxYRtS6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Cabelas-Gift-Card-FREE-Mail-Delivery-/112228136954?hash=item1a215177fa:g:sOMAAOSwEzxYRtS6


SVM discounts them by 15 and 20% every so often, buy the anticipated value you need ahead of time

if you cant wait or need one last minute, this place is great and you get it by email pretty quick but the discount is a lot less. still, 10% off 150 is an extra 15 bucks you can spend on 100 lead balls to go with it

https://www.giftcardgranny.com/buy-gift-cards/cabelas/

using this method i buy .22lr from cabelas for 2cpr

>>34876375
>8% cashback from AJ

What's AJ?

>>34876933
https://www.activejunky.com/retailer/cabelas

cash back with them takes 3 months since it disperses quarterly though

>>34853220
I own multiple of both, and the difference is negligible. Especially considering the Ubertis are sometimes hundreds of dollars more expensive, just get a Pietta

>>34864365
1863 Remington pockets are better. They're the same size and load, but they're a lot more durable. They're literally scaled down 58 New Armys.

Kinda embarrasing, but I used to carry one before I had a license.

>>34877481
Wew boy. I had trouble with my pietta. QC just isn't there for them. If you're willing to tinker and replace a few parts, pietta is fine. If you want something that works out of the box, get an uberti.

>>34857085
You can own real handguns but you can't legally carry concealed until you turn 21 and get a licence unless you live in one of a handful of states that doesn't require that.

>>34852568
Literally everyone and their mother knows about this, thats why

>>34874044
The fit and finish on originals is (or was) generally better, but for me the three main shortfalls of modern repros are lack of gain twist rifling (which really does help round ball accuracy out of a short barrel), lack of deburring and polishing of the hammer surfaces (the most common cause of the infamous "colt wave"), and making the cylinder/rammer press arch too low to accommodate paper cartridges. Sure, you can polish the hammer and raise the arch yourself, but it just annoys the hell out of me to have to do somebody else's job for them. It's also a crapshoot whether or not modern internals are worth a damn in a repro pistol. By rights it should be, considering that that really good steel is as common as dirt these days, but occasionally you'll find that some asshole in Prague or China or wherever decided that properly tempering and timing tiny spring mechanisms just wasn't for him that day, leaving you with an eight pound paperweight after a few rounds. This isn't as common as it used to be, but it still happens. The loading levers and barrel wedges also often leave much to be desired, with the former being loosely fitted and badly pinned (the use of modern steel makes this less catastrophic than it could be, but still) and the latter usually lacking the retaining spring to keep it in place without a screw. Don't get me wrong, most of these issues are either addressable or ignorable, but there we are.

>>34880711
Have you tried lapping the bores? Might just be burrs leftover from rifling as I havent seen much difference when even well preserved historical examples are shot next to modern repros

>>34874562
This.
Uberti's have been getting worse, while Pietta's have gotten better.
Not to mention an Uberti is sold for like twice the price of a Pietta, and parts are equally expensive as well as more difficult to find, and their customer service is worse...